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That was a really fantastic discussion. Thank you for that, you earned your tendies.

Talking about the immersion: For me, it depends not only on your "monk"state of enlightment and reputations, to be solid with the rules. It is an issue of the rules itself as well. For example: It is more immersive for me, when you put a explosive marking over your minis to measure out, which is effected by, instead of just rolling a dice for "calculating" the hits. Sure, it is better for gaming purposes (less conflict points during tournaments and stuff; and it is faster after all), but it kills the visual impact.

Can't tell you dudes how much I love when you go from joking about housing tendies to waning philosophical about why we paint how we paint. This podcast/channel is a gem and I wish more people had exposure to it. Also, DIABEETUS!

How to superglue magnets to gw bases: One easy trick. Take your hobby blade and score the smoothest underaide part of the base. i make 2-3 pound sign symbols (score this symbol a couple times: #) The superglue doesnt have much to latch on with smooth plastic. Give the plastic somw texture and youre good. I use the smallest possible magnets to avoid the model snapping issue

Big up the Podcast 🙌🙌

The only epiphany you need about water is that it isn't wet 😱 water being added to something makes it wet but if you add water to water you still have water 😳

Solid pod boys, thanks for the ramble

For the algorithm

I've found that becoming short-sighted has really helped my ability to appreciate painting minis - I can no longer see the imperfections, which drastically reduces the amount of work needed to paint a mini that I would think looked good.

I play DND with a player who is blind. We play virtually (because distance) and you get real good with theatre of the mind. We don't NOT use virtual battle maps but as a DM I need to describe everything anyway. The characters get real creative with terrain as long as I describe the scene well

Maybe the issue is that people who stress about learning or being “good enough” should just realize this is a fun and relaxing hobby. You get better through practice, just like every other skill. 😊

TUP: the podcast with the cognitive impairment of Joe Biden and the reflexes of Donald Trump.

Heres something I never hear anyone say: you need 'ugly duckling' or 'side quest' models. Keep just 3 or 4 of those models that DON'T excite you or interest you primed and ready on your desk. Then on those days where you want to paint but dont really have the time, energy, or desire for a long painting session, pick up one of those models and say 'OK, im going to paint for 30 minutes, or 1 hour and I'm going to use technique X. Where technique X is the difficult thing you've been wanting to try/practice but haven't been able to bring yourself to do (non metallic metals, wet blending, object source lighting or whatever). Because you're not emotionally invested in the model you're far more likely to try those things because you don't care about the final result. In my experience, you can find yourself 45% through that process and suddenly interested in the model, because you're actually excited about what you're learning and and the result you're getting. Then you may push it to completion and come out with a model that you're really happy with despite your initial ambivalence, or you will set it aside incomplete but feel no guilt. Either way your going to walk away with a skill boost. Forcing yourself to try new things on a model you like is solid advice, but its also nice to supplement that with these side-quest models to make the most of those low energy painting sessions where you just want to goof off and try something and don't have the force of will to 'go big'.

I’m loving starwars unlimited. It’s been great to get me back the magic vibe back from when I enjoyed the game. It’s new enough it’s not bloated out, they fixed the stack, and my wife likes that it’s not so complex.

I fear never being good enough to finish my pile of shame, oh the new Skaven are out, lol.

Swinging the Dong

One of the greatest things I keep in the back of my mind is a quote from Carrie Fischer: “Stay afraid, but do it anyways. What’s important is the action, the confidence will follow.”

Jon's daughter buying him that shirt is amazing, apple didn't fall far from that tree for sure.

"You're going nowhere!" - wasn't Bonesaw in the Spiderman movie?!

One of the early sculpting instructions in my early Kingdom Death days was to sculpt them in a way that mimicked the essence of classical sculptures so they would looks good not painted. Even the only official painting for the Kickstarter was painted like stone, pretty much gray with some cracks.

"AAA *50 dollar* game" you wish, man. you wish.

I've played Pokemon and it sucks back in the day it was good evolving cards was usefull . now with so many Basics being full evolutions it's stuiped

Scott, you’ve nailed it with red-Vader. The different textures and hues make all the parts look distinct. The materials look different, and it’s true to the original black Vader.

As someone who has every card of both the Starwars and LotR ganes you are speaking of, those ganes are amazing once you learn how to play it well

I saw the thumbnail and all i could think is "is that how they bond behind Cane's after a good lunch"

Customizing your models and giving them names helps me get more immersed when I play wargames.

Trapped Under Plastic: The podcast where the hornier you are for painting, the better your wet blends will be.

You guys are hilarious, i tune in just for the preamble ramble.

Great video, loads to take away as always.

With magnetic storage I have found having a metal washer in the base is best for that nice little bit of extra heft, something about all plastic that just seems a little immaterial, just a little bit too lite. Of course with a magnetic sheet in the base of your storage container. If you're not worried about heft, metal from tin big enough to cover the underneath of the base is plenty of grip. Cheapest way I have found to do the magnetic storage thing. And easier to get the materials too. Every craft or... I think you call them dollar stores with all the cheap craft and gift ware shops have magnetic sheeting for kids to craft their bullsh... I mean beautiful works of art for the family fridge, seem to have magnetic A4 sheets.

Always enjoy, keep it up.

Great discussion on the hobby journey. Very much enjoyed it! Thanks!

great interview. i was the GW bunker manager in Memphis, TN when it opened. loved my time at GW!

Grenadier!!!

Jon asked for a comment so, I massively respect his view on painting but cards games - I agree with the decipher star wars game by the Lord of the Rings one was awesome Massively flexible game with multiple victory conditions which allowed you to play both good and evil within one deck. Using a shared resource pool which is generated by current good player and spent by current evil player or players. With real risk and reward style play, with the deck building challenge of not only constructing a deck but 2 that synergized and shared tempo.. Not simple but rewarding - obligatory 4th sentence

Love this content. Soo good. You are both hilarious.

YOOOOO totally agree with the review on YAK AND YETI!! A great departure from the food quality throughout the rest of the park.

Really the best thing about the LOTR behind the scenes is that it's hours worth of pure coziness. I don't know how else to describe it XD

GW's Chainsaw Warrior.

Pro tip. Spend the money for a dual sump pump that has the little separate battery backed up pump.

Good convo

I think this has been one of your best topics to date. Jon's points about gaining experience really remind me about the four levels of competence. Beginner painters are trying to move beyond conscious incompetence, where they are aware that they don't have the skills or knowledge yet, but struggle to know what to do to gain them. More experienced painters have conscious competence, where they know what to do, but still have to put the effort into it more on the theory side rather than the practical side, similar from knowing how to cook a steak, and then understanding what makes a steak good and being able to continuously repeat the results. Then you have folks like Dave Colwell who are at the unconscious competence level, where the bulk of the thought goes into the design and planning stage, rather than the theory and ability. And your points about doing the reps are just as important because so many people spend all their time learning the theory before they actually commit it to muscle memory, which I think is a big part of the feel of how to paint well that you mentioned.

This was a super helpful discussion. I started this hobby 2.5 years ago now. Recently i have been going back to an older army to add to it and touch it up and I just have felt in a rut. I like how my models are coming out but like there is nothing special going on. The your “first 50 to your next 150” comment is so true. This episode has really made me see the value in going back like it is day one and maybe relearning some things i use far less or things i never thought to try like osl or nmm. Also this helped me appreciate just how far i have come and being at that point where i know i can just make a model look good or not following box art/other armies online. All things i never thought about when looking at where i am painting wise. Thanks for this episode it was like a kick in the butt to step out of the comfort zone and start absorbing some new techniques and stuff.

Trapped under Plastics, the podcast where Scott tries a scientific approach while Jon freestyles some nitro and glycerin into a mixer, ascing "Does it blend?" *not sponsored by Ninja in any way* Scott's shirt needs to be Iso and Highlights all turned to maximum to capture that pale... Text "THE BEACONS ARE LIT!"

Was the optic of that thumbnail intentional?

I tried to make intro decks that could play together for MTG, turns out the first magic Game Night was exactly what I was trying to build. Five simple decks with one or two mechanics each that you can mix together once you get there.

Thank you Jon and Scott for teaching me that I don't actually want to paint. Painting techniques don't excite me, they frustrate me. I don't have excitement to paint. I've put reps in for over a decade trying glazing, wet blending, osl, nmm, senmm. I have thousands of hours over thousands of models, and I look at my models and think they're okay. I don't even play wargames anymore, or use miniatures for tabletop games. Since lockdown I just paint to have painted models. I get excited about having painted models. You helped me realize I don't actually enjoy the process of painting.

Look forward to this each time!