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God i already hated Ballas now i hate him even more seriously this guy is just the worst.

The one thing here i have to hard disagree and dismiss on is the Stalker's help during the event. It's a purely player-driven pseudo canon built on a secret (?) marked option, so it can hardly be evocative of his own choices. To compound this, even Hunhow states when handing you the blueprint to Jade that he (3rd person, the stalker) would not have wanted this but she would. That says to me concretely, event or otherwise Stalker does not want to be involved in rebuilding/ressurecting Jade in any capacity. Given what the event is for and the methods by which we acquire the rest of her components, it's safe to say collecting any motes for any reason is also against his wishes. Put simply, it's most likely like stealing someone's ashes to him. Given, you know, she dissolved into light particles.

The most fire elevator music i've experienced.

I love this soundtrack

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"this is probably the one you're looking for." yep.

Full of feels. Hit me right in the koro toro.

Ordis vs Parvos gamemode

I am hoping there will be a part 2 or a continuation of this quest. Its ending felt a little abrupt.

how did i miss this! amazing as always

Idk why but whenever i hear this theme it just reminds me of oogway ascends

I will never look at elevators the same way again.

For the first time since he became a killing machine, Stalker - no... Sorren... has finally found something to fight for. Not the hatred for his Orokin masters, not for his rage against the Tenno. No... He's now fighting for the love of his former life, and the future of their child.

My boy's a father now

Additional Stuff that we know or did speculate from the quest and the ARG : - Kira (or Zari as we surnamed her during the ARG) might be the Tenno’s mother. We can’t know for certain, but her tomb holds a photograph of a tenno and their parents. That picture changes clothing colour when you do, possibly indicating those are you and your parents, and due to its other location, linking you to Kira - As said in the video, the Tau system might located in the Cetus constellation. More indications of that is that the star in the constellation called Tau Ceti holds one if not the closest promising exoplanet for terraformation and sustainable life - The reason the holdfasts are no longer in danger of the choir’s embrace since the return of the Tenno is that while they survived and lived through the pure lingering void energy after their deaths, they now do through the curated and purified void energy of the Tenno, ensuring they cannot be corrupted by the great indifference anymore

in my opinion I don't think the baby is necessarily going to be related to the Wally plotline. Warframe babies are a huge implication for the universe because it introduces the idea of Warframes being an actual race and possibly the next stage of evolution for humanity. While Jade's pregnancy is a unique case, who's to say some Corpus or Grineer madman won't experiment to find if there's anything more to it? The rest of the Origin System is already in ruins and there's also nothing that can truly stand against the Infestation from inevitably taking everything over if you really think about it. I think it fits very well if they want to go for another 5 years of story because there's a lot of conflict that can come out of it that can involve all of the factions in the system.

As a quick fun fact, Ordis actually has special dialogue when you go to talk to him in Larunda Relay as Jade. Some of the quotes, such as "Can the Operator feel what Jade is feeling? Ordis hopes she is happy." would imply that, when we rebuild her, she's still the same frame. Stalker also refuses to fight you if you play her, simply kneeling back down and vanishing while leaving his drops behind rather than actually dueling you like usual. It's also worth noting that we see a similar scenario with Excalibur Umbra, where, when rebuilt, it's not a copy or a close look-alike, but rather the original frame even though it was made from scratch. Not sure what all this would implicate, but it is cool that Jade is probably doing fine. Just had to put her back together first. :)

I hope they make a better version of this theme in her prime Trailer.

Thank god Ballas is dead. Can you imagine what the sick f*ck would do that poor Warframe baby?

I have a theory. I know right now some of us are leaning towards the idea of there being other independent frames like Umbra, and that one of them is Stalker. However I have an idea. As you mention in the video, the very first frames are thought to have been even more wild and insane than later models. As I understand it, not a lot is for sure known about them other than that. So with the "first batch" of frames in mind, something Ordis says when you visit him as Jade got me thinking. "Ordis understands this both is, and is not the same Jade". Which implies or maybe confirms that there IS a difference between the original frame, and the ones we forge. The term original frame here specifically meaning: A person that was turned into a Warframe, and was then used as a blueprint to make copies of them. I get the feeling the difference between them is probably deeper and more important than the new frames we make just generally being copies. Then I read over Dante lore, and a passage mentions he was driven mad by the Voids temptations within "the book" and his mind was forever filled with muttering void tongue. I thought that was odd, I wouldn't have thought frames could be driven mad. After all they're supposed to be mad already, and the Orokin saw no positive results from attempting to "Brutalize their minds". Then I remembered the Stalker has been called insane at least a couple times now. The Lotus says he was driven mad, and Ordis doesn't think there's much mind left in him. And then I thought, "what if the only important difference between Original Frames and copies, is the amount of the original person that is left in them". Maybe their minds aren't fully copies over, making them easier to control, or.. maybe the copies don't have souls? Or at least not the original souls. And maybe thats part of why the original frames are often talked about more like individuals. Maybe that's why all of their stories from the Old War are so full of distinct personality. Maybe the amount of person left in the frame affected the Tenno while in Transference, changing the way they behaved to greater and lesser degrees. These strong personalities may have mixed with, or in some cases even supplanted the Tennos own. I have some examples that I think back this up. 1. While experiencing/as we exit Umbras memories we say things like, "He's going to kill my son!", implying that, even if only for a moment, our mind is tricked into thinking what happened to Umbra happened to us to. Of course this idea runs into problems with Umbra, but rn I'm hoping Umbra was just "repaired" rather than remade. After all we pick up his remains, including his Nikana which is his own flesh. And Balas says that we rebuilt him. It's not a lot, but it's enough that my theory may work.

when you pick up a rock and there was a bunch of bugs hiding under it

I just recently became a father, and let me tell you, they NAILED the vibe with Stalker. Even without facial expressions, you could feel his aura of "I'm not ready for this, I don't know what I'm doing, but I know that this child means EVERYTHING to me."

I long ago stopped playing Warframe. Will I come back a third time? Unclear. I will, however, always watch these. This is what we know

Всегда трепетно относился к музыке в вафрейме, что в Втором сне, что в Войне внутри, особенно ярко прослеживается трагичность в Жертве, в Новой войне, и композиция посвященная сестрам Парвоса прекрасна, или хор в Дувири, где уже от одного слова "Dominus" веет эпиком, а теперь есть мотив и для Сталкера с личным беби-йодой

I hope Stalker and Jade’s child grows up healthy.

Not really sure how to go about this but I’d like to know if you’d be interested in doing a crossover video on my channel. I’ve currently got a survival challenge series going and my viewers asked if I can do Warframe…I don’t know anything about Warframe. Would you be interested in making a guest appearance in the video talking about how powerful the Warframe universe is and their chances of surviving a DOOM Invasion. Check out my original video if you want to see the basic vibe of my channel. Would These Shooter Heroes Survive the DOOM Invasion? czcams.com/video/dpWrZMWi_ho/video.html

Honestly, I’m hoping we get an ordis storyline from his days as the beast of bones. Especially with his hatred toward graham and brother vibe toward jade.

This is where the tarnished lay rest, builds a nice life and invites hedwig, boggart, rya and rodreika.

The start of your video makes several statements as confirmed lore that I am unaware of a source for, such as the specific statement that they were found out and punished for their transgression. Where did you find that?

This is... really really sad.

Do you really think that the Orokin transformed Sorren as a punishment? I thought that he could have taken the helminth willingly in order to hunt the Tenno that ruined his way of life

my #1 warframe lore man did it again <3

If we ever gonna get ordan as a frame / companion or even enemy, granum would be the one who builds his body

Something that, to me supports the idea of Stalker knowing and caring about the distinction between Warframe and Tenno, is that when Stalker escapes Uranus, he goes to Lua, but especifically to the Reservoir, the same place he met the Tenno, the true Tenno that made him hesitate and realize that Tenno did not equal Warframe. Another thing that also made me reinforce this interpretation, is that the Stalker not only met the true Tenno there, but realized they were CHILDREN. The fact that this is when Stalker hears the memories of Jade telling Sorren he'll be a father, is perhaps another possible connection, some paternal instinct stopping him from attacking the weakened Tenno back then and only now realizing why. Dad couldn't bring himself to kill a child when he got his lover and own child ripped away.

sigma listening

I believe the scene at the start of the quest depending Jade saving Sorren from the Tenno needed to have been on the Night of Naga Drums, not in modern times. This is because if Jade wasn't protecting Sorren on that fateful Night, she would have been fulfilling her role as Choirmaster-Protector of the Seven Orokin Emperors - and we all know if she was there, she would have died in the Tenno's opening moves. So she *must* have abandoned her Emperors at the start of the Night of Naga Drums to save Sorren, because otherwise she'd have been vastly outnumbered and forced to contend with powerhouses like Voruna, Grendel, Gauss, and Kullervo in defense of the Seven Emperors. And we all know how that would have gone ((Hint: it rhymes with "bed")).

So Margulis was most likely excecuted by Jade. Was the Tenno in control at that point because if so that's messed up though very in-character Ballas

Hunhow and the Sentients are the greatest example of the future of A.I. Once they gain sentience, they stop being machines, no longer tools to be used and abused. They are people now. They feel pain, loss, and even love. They should be treated as living and breathing beings. Even if they don't understand and still believe themselves to be tools to their masters. We should treat them as we treat our children. Teach them right from wrong and give them unconditional love and compassion so they can share that with their own kind and, in doing so, help create a better future for themselves and their creaters. Now, all of that relies on humans being trash and just doing the typical human thing of exploitation and excessive abuse of those deemed "lesser". We really are an insane species, come to think of it, lol.

11:25 this is exactly what i suggested as well, nice to see we are in the same page with that assumption. There is no way the child won't return in the future , perhaps as a closing finale to the man in the wall story in... 2035 lol.

As long I have been playing Warframe, I never thought I would see a Warframe giving birth not only giving birth, giving birth of the child of the stalker oddly it's so beautiful I haven't felt emotions since the sacrifice quest and the fact they dropped the quest after Father's Day

What we know: babby

Cool vid bro.😺

Are you tennocon this year?

dogshit quest.....absolute garbage.....

Here's something interesting to consider. During the Second Dream, killing the Tenno was clearly his goal. It wasn't the Warframe he was after, it was the actual Operator controlling it. He plunged his blade into the Warframe's chest at the end of the quest, but he never stopped looking at the Tenno while doing it. They had his full attention. However, he was clearly caught off-guard when he saw that the Operators were children all along. It not only brought up questions about his own nature, but he seemed hesitant to actually kill the Tenno later on. Jade Shadows reveals that the Stalker can infiltrate our Orbiter and attack us directly any time he wants, but doesn't. It's almost as if he was intentionally limiting himself to only hunting Warframes instead of the people he now knows are actually in control. He knows that killing the Warframes is just an inconvenience at best. Keeping that in mind and considering how protective he is of his own child, it seems to me that even with all of his fragmented memories and hate-filled heart, Stalker is unwilling to truly murder a child just to get his vengeance.

I still choose to believe (cope) that Sorren didn't become Stalker physically like Umbra, but instead is trapped inside Stalker like Rell with Harrow or Silvana with the Silver Grove. His "insanity" doesn't *feel* like Umbra's or like the one described in Rhino Prime's codex to me, it seems more like the loss of self Rell and Silvana experienced. But then counterpoint: he literally uses Umbra's model with a different helmet. lol Also I'm still wondering about the implications from The Second Dream where Lotus says the secret of the Reservoir drove Stalker to madness. Why did that specifically drive him mad? And why did Hunhow suggest him and the Tenno are the same? In the span of writing this comment I made myself more confused. xD

I'm wondering most of all now, if Shadow Stalker and the new 'Protector Stalker' coming after us still is actually canon. It seems Stalker abandoned his Sentient gear after Second Dream, that or it was too broken to salvage. Protector Stalker has even less reason to exist as a continued threat than Shadow Stalker. He's a father now, likely on constant move with no secure base of operations. Any possibility of leaving his child on Lua to continue his revenge seems very contradictory to the story of Jade Shadows. I personally would've preferred it if Stalker's drops were added to Ascension, and he stopped attacking the player after the quest was done.

For some reason i see this as a parallel to the Alia and Jessica thing from Dune. A child changed in the womb to be born superhuman. That kid will have the strengths of both. Human mind and infested strength.

hey, idk if this is the best place to ask, but more than anything this quest reverberated a question i have from all the way back to umbra's reveal: what sense does building warframes in-game make lore-wise?

We finally got a glimpse of Warframe's strongest weapon against The man on the wall and the indifference.