HI-RES AUDIO & Apple Music done right (& WITHOUT an iPad)
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I just wish Audivana or Roon could interact with Apple Music (or Spotify) similar to Tidal or Qobuz
All I NEED is CD quality 16/44.1, beyond that is of no importance to me. I guess that disqualifies me as an audiophile, but I AM a happy man!
Same here. I've yet to hear a Hi Res track or album that sounds significantly better than the Redbook equivalent. It's nice seeing the higher sampling rate and bit depth on the DAC though 😊
I'm with you, being an audiophile is a disease anyways. Hi res is important in the music production process though.
CD quality streaming is not the same as actual CD quality. CD’s will always sound better
@k-doggy1762 certainly me as welll. CD rates through dac to take off sheen and Class A amp at 5 watts. I come for music suggestions for person of different age and he has excellent taste.
How does that disqualify you? I love my CDs.
Thanks for the video. I use my setup (Marantz PM7000N, Wharfedale Evo 4.4s, RSL Speedwoofer 10S MKII, Pro-ject X1) mostly for vinyl, but I wanted to try out hi-res because using Airplay with Apple Music didn't sound all that good. I setup a plex server on my PC to feed FLAC to the Marantz, but sourcing FLAC for most of my music was impossible. Still, what I did have sounded much better than Airplay. Since I had an iPad I don't use much anymore, I decided to connect it to the Marantz by going iPad > Apple USB Camera adapter > USB cable > Douk Audio U2 > optical cable > Marantz. It actually works really well and sounds much better than Airplay. The highest I saw from Apple Hi Res Lossless was 192 KHz. Total cost was about $100 USD, and that's including the cables needed, not too shabby.
I bought the FiiO R7 and love it. It plays very well with such a variety of equipment. At the moment it’s feeding a Sansui AU-555A powering a pair of Celestion Ditton 551 and you’d never think there was a fifty year gap between the network streamer and the integrated amplifier / loudspeakers. They sound like contemporary pieces. I also note that the R7 comes with a cushy base that in my view acts as an iso pad which I love.
If my R7 fell over and died I’d run right out and buy another one.
So in conclusion there is still no easy way to play High Res Apple Music in 2023
This is by far my favourite Hi-Fi channel on YT. I just really appreciate your attitude and angle towards most topics and they are all very well researched, informational and unbiased. Keep up the great work! 🙂
Thank you John, I literally was searching this topic up yesterday. Very informative and exactly what I was looking for… thanks again
This video has so much love. Thank you!!
I really like the bits on some of your videos where you talk about new / resissued music.
At least I can confirm that the B&W PX7S2, PX7S2E and the PX8 are playing back High Res music bit perfect when connected via USB C directly to an iPhone 15 series phone. The PX8 is profiting especially, having a more sonically impressive and stable presentation
Love the music recommendations! It can't all be just about bits (and bobs). Refreshing!
Finally the answer to the question that nobody has been able answer up until now! Thanks!
Thanks for the info here. With all the streaming options available and all the specs it’s a bit overwhelming. You are helping me to understand. Btw digging your pod casts. All the best.
This is AMAZING! Super thank YOU!
Stunning, intelligent evaluation. Many thanks.
Those tricky albums bring me back to wild times. I watch these more to find out what you’re listing to 😂
Came here casually for a bit of Hifi talk, left buying the Tricky Super Deluxe album on vinyl. 😎 Thanks for the heads up! 😊🙏🏾
2023: best listening 🍎Music experience is on Adroid 🤯progress👏🏻or what..
Being a Apple Music subscriber the Eversolo is a godsend to me, have messed about with all manor of streaming options but hated having to use AirPlay but now I’m in audio nirvana with my master edition with LHY linear power supply on the way soon. The Eversolo is hands down the best bit of kit I’ve bought in a long time & at a reasonable price can’t recommend it highly enough.
I agree the landscape integration of the app on my phone would be better implemented in portrait whilst leaving the display on the dmp A6 landscape, maybe this is something Eversolo can change in a future software update but otherwise I’m more than happy 🙂
Very useful- thank you John!
Currently using Apple Music through S23 using Qudelix 5k DAC and Moondrop Blessing 2, and I'm so happy with my entry-level audio setup.
Thank you. A really informative and helpful video. 😎👍
Thank you for this information.
I am hooked by DSD coded music, it's Sony technology and absolutely amazing.
This was very helpful. Thanks.
To me this just illustrates the lunacy of non-physical media - at least until this stuff matures. Consumers are being asked to pay big money for technology which is immature and may or may not deliver on your expectations. I'll continue to use an iPhone, Spotify and wireless headphones for discovery - and a turntable and a CD player for focussed listening.
as opposed to paying big money for technology which is lossy (£30 for a single vinyl album) 😏
Thanks for this update John. In India, Apple music is the only available lossless streaming service. So the FiiO R7s ability to stream hi res and lossless audio natively without the need for an iPad is a huge advantage.
Great video! Wondering though - does all of this apply when streaming Apple Music or Amazon Music Unlimited from an iPhone to a Sonos speaker or network of Sonos speakers? Thanks!
Thank you for the update.
great video. just had to subscribe. now let me binge watch your videos
Such an eye opening video!
I am curious what the Airport Express 2 that supports Airplay 2 outputs audio - do you have an idea what lossless we be in that instance when using an iPhone/Apple TV?
Thanks for the great content
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Thanks a lot for this very useful video!
Great video John, if I have a new Dolby atmos tv with apple app, will I get hi res /atmos going into my Dolby atmos soundbar? Cheers mate ❤
thanks for another great video! my question is: will I get hi-res audio from direct headphone jack output on my Huawei P30 phone playing Apple music? It is an android phone with a internal DAC similar to your LGs.
I recently updated the Hi-fi setup in my office. I went the Eversolo route and got the master edition.
The Eversolo is a wonderful bit of kit. I looked at the Fio, but preferred the form factor, internal nvme, and remote functions of the Eversolo - plus......VU meters! :D Stupid, but I bloody love having VU meters again. ;)
The other thing I was looking for was multiple inputs and outputs as this is my office and I wanted to connect my PC, output to a headphone DAC. The Eversolo is also amazing in what it can connect to and receive.
In the end I got the Eversolo, connected to a Power Box DS2 Amp, feeding a pair of Fyne Audio F500. I'm in the stage where I'm listening to all my favourites again with a big smile on my face.
Only thing I havent figured out how to get working yet is the Zen DAC V2 for my headphones. Haven't sorted out how to configure and get that working.
But your review of the Fio and Eversolo were a massive help in deciding what to go for. Thank you. :)
Thank you for the excellent video
Thanks for the heads up on the Tricky album, love Maxinquaye. I cant find my original CD so the perfect time to upgrade to better sound.
@08:33 Thanks for the heads up on the Tricky remaster > good to know it sounds nice (had hoped it would be good!) > ordered one just now 🎉
great video! It was super informative, thanks. I was wondering if you have a list of other streamers that do Apple Music & Roon with bit perfect streams!? using iphone or ipad
Well done, thanks!
Great video! You thank you
this answers my questions
What a great and informative video, well done ! I have a domewhat unrelated question (maybe an upcoming video?) : Is there any news about bit perfect playback in android 14? I can't find any info about it aside from announcements from one of the last android 14 beta versions, im not sure if its actually been implemented by any app makers though
Thank you for these videos sir, I was wondering in audiophile terms, if you do indeed find a difference running run through the DMP-A6, Fiio R7 w/linear power supply against say a power node 2i running as a roon bridge only? I am really only interested in the streamer portion as the preamp and Dac are not a consideration or features I would never use. Thank you again, I held off for quite a while on purchasing a streamer due to roon's benefits but I would love to get out from under their yolk. Keep up the great work!
Great vid,thankyou
My solution: A Mac mini connected to the Denon receiver, which also has a TV connected, with the correct settings in the MIDI setup of the Mac.
But certainly also an interesting solution with the Eversolo DMP-A6 and the FiiO R7.
Maybe something for the future, when I retire my Mac...
Thanks for your great video… ❤🙏🏻
99% of people are not going to buy a whole separate streamer just for Apple Music
Yep. Like Darko, I just go with it. Via Airplay or ATV4K as well as CDs. I get on with life.
I have Qobuz and Tidal to use with roon. Apple Music on the go.
I use my Macbook Pro 16 2021'' through a Steinberg UR22 connected to a pair of Focal Alpha EVO 50, using LosslessSwitcher, or using 192Khz oversampling everything, or changing sample rates manually.
Ii've always had interest in telling how it will work on mobile, but im not that interested in lossless outside my house. I liked to used Audirvana for Qobuz and Tidal sometime ago, but i discarded everything for Apple Music. Thanks for your video.
Hi John, thank you for this video again! I'am still confused about the HiRes and Apple Music subject. I'am using the Apple TV 4K and in Settings / System / Apps / Music / Audio Quality I'am able to switch from High Quality to Lossless ... my Apple TV is connected to an NAD M10 via HDMI cable ... so I should get HiRes, isn't it?
Hi guys.
What is the best combination for music on MacBook Pro mid2015?
Thanks a lot!
Thanks for this video. I've been using Apple Music app on Windows 11 connected through HDMI to Denon AVR for streaming lossless / hi res. But not sure if it's bit perfect as AVR only shows the source input max sampling capability i.e. 192khz.
Great video, as a sometimes Apple Music user, thank you. I say sometimes because, on my main system and on my home office system I use Roon. Of course, my dream is to cut through all of the work arounds that you identified and have Apple and Roon get it together!!
I have the Hiby R6 III DAP and it also works perfectly!
great film, I have been watching for some time which manufacturer will be the first to introduce lossless , are there any integrated amplifiers that support Apple Lossless?
Do the R7 and Eversolo output only Apple Music in bitperfect or does any audio stream work? I.e. Tidal, Amazon Music, Deezer etc. (as long as it's installable of course).
@DarkoAudio Are there any other more affordable alternatives to both of these network streamers which will do bit perfect streaming?
Hearing you are fine with 16 bit/44.1 kHz, I am curious to know what you think of the XDUOO XQ-100 Bluetooth Streamer? It uses the same dual DACs (ES 9038Pro) as the lauded Eversolo DMP-A6. I have been testing it for two weeks now and the sound is really good.
Thin,ing of swapping my cambridge audio cxn v2 for a fiio r7. Opinions? Many listen through headphones.
Finally!!! 🎉 Might have to get one of these
Nice Video-thanks for that. Would the Apple opportunity Hi-Res or Dolby Atmos reach an AVM V30 pre-amp which includes an DAC without compression?
Thank you for clearing up my doubts! Fiio and Eversolo should hire you as their brand ambassor!😊
Dear John! Thank you for this information! Can you please confirm (or deny) my experience with the iPhone 15 series and bit perfect output via USB C ?
I just connect my ipad to my integrated amp and use iphone accessibility to control the ipad remotely. I can skip/repeat, volume up/down using my iphone. It doesn’t have search functionality but I normally listen to albums or playlists anyway so I don’t need it. Saved me getting the eversolo. That first Apple lossless video was my first Darko video as I wondered how to get lossless. I only had an Airpods Max back then but now have an audio system in our lounge connected to the TV and another on my desk with 6 wired headphones. (no) thanks to JD.😅
Nice job on the DMP A-6/ Apple Music discussion. 3rd time’s a charm!
I can only hope you keep beating this drum, John. Perhaps Apple will pay proper attention in time. This Airplay conundrum can only ultimately be solved when Apple itself allows bit perfect play over its WiFi attributes. For example, it’s become a bit of an insult that I can’t stream Roon Arc bit-perfect while wirelessly tethering a MojoPoly combo to my iPhone or iPad. It’s always downsampled to the Airplay default. More insulting, I can actually play the Poly’s micro SD stored content, bit-perfect from the iOS device into any lightning-connected dongle or DAC, yet the Poly itself can only receive the same downsampled output… mind you, originating from the same uncompressed, incoming files the iOS device receives from it. Why Chord didn’t design the Poly to direct play it’s SD files into the Mojo is a whole other problem I’ll only mention as such. A unique set of problems, I admit, but being mobile for weeks at a time, it would be quite nice to have a more robust wireless pipeline in both directions, such as it is with the Nucleus on the home network. Meantime, I remain optimistic these limitations will be removed in time. And truthfully, I’m grateful for what have already. The Poly’s tethering feature has solved a greater wireless problem I’ve found quite consistent with Bluetooth connectivity across the board: Random, frequent dropouts, constantly interrupting the music… largely due to its management protocols of other connected devices. Compared to that, I’ll happily take AAC or Redbook FLAC (whichever it is) all day long. BTW, love the podcast too!
When I am really listening music, I use a hard wire from my iPad to my DAC and always have the best sampling available, up to 192… easiest way, almost aisle free!
Nice platimons behind you 🎶
A Great video! 🎉🎉🎉
Nice shout on Maxinquaye - it's a brilliant album and a 90s landmark. Fully deserving of this deluxe treatment.
Loves this video. The major problem I have with Apple music for Android, is that it doesn't have soundcheck, volume normalization which is essential. I know some people don't like it, but the fact that nearly every streaming service (besides of apple music) have that, is the reason why we got back more dynamic range in modern masters.
I love high dynamic range songs, but when a loud song is next on the playlist, apple music kills my ears. I really wonder why this is not a huge topic for audio lovers, who use apple music and android devices.
I love your background in the Frame TV. Where do you get it?
I love the amapiano intro🇿🇦
John, very pleased to see this topic explained so concisely. Another platform to look forward to is the Windows implementation currently in beta (Apple Music Preview). I’m curious if it behaves better than macOS…
Loving the Amapaiano intro (I think???)
I am running a Mac mini M1, Apple Music and a Dragonfly Red. I have all the settings turned up to all the highest quality. Does Apple Music Mac OS res down the stream? Per Apple support, I should be getting the hi-res files correct? TIA!
Wish Fiio/Eversolo could develop a pure streamer that supports Apple Music bit-prefectly, and output digitally via USB/toslink/coax, without any DAC/amp. The audiophiles already have a mature system, no need to waste money on another all-in-one.
Hey John, I've been trying to take the iPhone -> USB path with Apple Music high-res lossless. So far without much luck.
I am using a Rotel A14MKII integrated amplifier. This offers 2 ways to connect an iPhone/iPad via USB which seems to make a difference: This model has a front USB-A connector for "i-Devices" and a rear USB-B connector which is currently connected to my computer. And according to Rotel's documentation should be used to connect the "newer USB-C equipped iPads" to the amp.
When connecting my iPhone or iPad to the front USB of the amp, it shows fixed 24Bit/44.1kHz coming from my iPhone/iPad, no matter what I play on Apple music or in any other app. (yes, "high-res lossless" is activated in the settings of the music app).
I currently cannot try the rear USB-B connection, as I do not have a matching adapter cable USB-B -> Lightning. Problem there would also be, that I cannot use this input for my computer anymore. Furthermore I realized in another test in a shop a while ago, the USB-B does not provide power. So the whole music playback from the iPhone would be on battery, which is also not ideal.
Any further idea how I could bring high-res audio from the iPhone into the amp without changing the USB-B cable all the time between computer and phone and without draining the phone's battery?
Thanks for the great reviews!
Cheers,
Chris
What’s going on inside macOS (probably many other operating systems also) is not just resampling the audio, but it is actually mixing other system sounds with the music. If you get some kind of a notification when music is playing you will hear both.
Until Apple implements exclusive mode that exists in other software such as roon or the tidal app, this will continue being a problem even if someone keeps changing the sample rate manually
I using an iPad Pro(wireless)with a Fiio r7 and an Rega amp. The sound is pretty exceptional. The sound was better than the Fiio and Rega alone.
Thank you
Does the introduction of USB-C on the iPhone 15 range make lossless on the go a bit more convenient as we don’t need the lightning adapter anymore?
Hi everyone. I’m a newbie to the modern world of hifi streaming. Love the look of the Fiio 7. Is it possible to connect a turntable and cd player to this ? .
Are the restrictions with hi-res and chromecast restricted to Apple Music as the music service?
I use a chromecast audio connected over optical to my DAC but I tend to stream either Spotify at the highest settings via the chromecast app or I use Audio Station from my Synology NAS where most of my old CDs are ripped to either AAC, FLAC or WAV format.
Unfortunately my DAC doesn't display sample rate, so no idea if I'm losing quality.
great video! thanks for sharing. ~ Mike
Does the ever solo you say stream multichannel sacd files downloaded from web to a receiver?
Nice video! Good to have someone find out how it’s technically working 🤓😎. I absolutely love Apple Music’s library and user friendliness on iPhone Mac and CarPlay. I do however prefer Qobuz on my Kef Connect speakers for sound quality.
Btw, when using an Apple TV via HDMI to tv with hdmi arc and connecting (active) speakers via hdmi to the tv too (so 2 hdmi ports used) how does someone know/check if the tv resamples the audio??
So.. If I have a Eversolo A6 master Edition, and start a music track from my iPhone (Tidel app), will the quality then be lower, compared if I start the track from the Eversolo directly ?
If the R7 and A6 are Airplay 1, can you just simply Airplay and not bother with the casting app/Android Apple Music? I'm dying to figure out how to lossless streaming with Apple Music.
I am running my Chrome audio with a psu from a cromecast with the option for a cableconnection a loving the cable upgrade. Maybe it helps with the samplerate ? :)
Can I pair the FiiO R7 with my Marantz PM6007 amplifier?
FIIO is my favorite brand ;-) - i like his devices - good price and hi sound quality - hifi
Android phone with inbuilt hi res DAC or external dac like ifi go link will work same right?
On the Eversolo, what is the name of that "slightly customized version" app you referred to at 12:43 on this video? Are you aware of any other hi-res apps we can download into the Eversolo? Up to now I thought everything was running on Air Play 2 or Chromecast, which will not pass hi-res music files.
Do the spatial audio / dolby atmos tracks get sent to a 2 channel system or headphones in a virtualized sort of way?
I have a small box connected to my Apple TV 4k that exacts an optical toslink signal from HDMI, feeding an ifi nano iOne into a Cambridge Audio AXA-35, and Wharfedale Diamond 12.1. Good enough for me listening for hours without any fatigue.
This is precisely what i wanted to know. I was hoping reviewers highlight this very function first thing in their review. Thanks anyways
Hi, thanks for all the usefull info. I have a problem which maybe you can help solving. Last week I got an Eversolo A6. Fantastic sound. Everything is working fine. Running streaming from Amazon HD Qobuz Apple and from an external drive. There is one problem. The Apple Music app runs ok using the touch screen on the A6 but is a disaster when using an iphone or my Ipad Air 2. When I type in a certain song using the ipad this is shown within a second on the A6 but....off course you wanna use an Ipad instead of having to walk to the A6 all the time. After getting a cup of coffee gradually the characters appear on the Ipad screen. From their it gets even slower and slower. Same accounts for my Iphone 12. All other apps are running fine so it is not a matter of internet speed being 200 mb per second. Any idea how so solve this?
Tanks Darko first of all. Because Tricky I remember that album and I have that CD original from the 90’s…in my CD collection next to Moby, Portishead qnd Massive Attack…I just returned my WiiM mini because of the airplay 2 limitation. I wish the fiio r7 was cheaper and with less functionalities because I have a Dac already but what a brilliant machine 😮
Thanks for all the investigation and the video. I'd like to think that it would be simple to deliver hi-res audio (as long as one has a fast-enough internet connection), but apparently everyone wants to get their fingers into the stream and screw things up! Maybe in another 5-10 years they'll finally figure out how to deliver the best audio experience that's available.
Thanks for the video. I am fairly new to streaming and have been pondering this question about how to get higher resolution out of Apple Music since the family (other than me) are firmly set inside the Apple ecosystem and I've found Apple Music works fine on Android and I may as well use that service.