Where Do You Stand Politically? | “28% Sympathise More With Palestine Than Israel" | Polling Special
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- What percentage of the UK population are pensioners? What percentage of the UK population are on benefits? Are UK voters becoming increasingly comfortable with authoritarianism? Why is Thatcher the only past PM currently viewed as 'strong' by the public? What's the secret to achieving visibility as a politician?
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00:00 Intro
01:03 Rest Is Politics Monthly tracker poll - the results are in
10:29 UK politics has frozen, with deep problems
14:48 Voters are becoming increasingly comfortable with authoritarianism
17:05 Poll results on current political issues
18:45 Israel/Palestine Sympathy
23:02 Break
23:26 Rory's darkest moment in politics
25:50 Rory's most positive moment
26:31 Thoughts on the current national birth control enquiry
29:10 Tribute to Frank Field
33:44 Togo election explainer and update
36:06 Profile on Richard Tice & Reform Party is a private company?
40:14 How to get someone excited about politics?
41:02 The dangers journalists face
44:46 Outro
Well Rory, Im exceptionally glad you didn't hang yourself. You are fine man who contributes greatly to this country and world, please always remember that and thank you for your service
Alistair’s inability to read the words on Tony’s cloud is hilarious
I was quite moved by Rory's example. A moment can feel so terrible that you consider it being your last. But its temporary so glad that Rory was ultimately able to see beyond that moment.
Well said. Rory is a thoroughly decent human being, and makes an enormous contribution.
I suffered a third degree tear when I had my first child. Whilst I underwent 45 minutes of stitching I was told I didn’t need pain relief and to stop making a fuss, I want told anything about the likelihood of tearing or the advantages or options of episiotomy, or even given good solid midwifery guidance during labour to help avoid tearing. I had an horrendous infection in the wound which required later attention but I was so traumatised I wouldn’t seek help. I refused to allow a midwife near me to deal with the stitches and ended up removing the stitches myself on the bathroom floor. I was 21. I went on to have a second baby, by which time I was far more proactive and assertive around my antenatal care and labour/delivery and was considered ‘difficult’ by the consultant obstetrician. 9 years later I went on to deliver twins naturally and fiercely independently and demanded total control of the delivery room. At one point a rather presumptuous consultant ushered in all of his charges and I looked up to see I was being observed by 6 f!cking onlookers. There are so many things wrong with the way in which pregnancy/childbirth is approached in this country, and especially how women are expected to undergo non consenting interventions etc. I was delighted to read my notes and see how they had described me as ‘challenging and difficult’. Too bloody right I was.
Well done you.
I understand you went through a horrible ordeal and you are right to be more cautious and switched on thereafter. But being deliberately difficult against NHS staff (who god knows have a hard enough time already) and then boasting about it makes you seem a frankly horrible person.
@@adamboh393 That’s very judgemental.
@@adamboh393so because NHS staff have had a hard time one shouldn’t risk demanding good medical care and be at risk of being a ‘difficult patient”, What’s even worse is talking about the lengths you went to made sure you received good medical care.
@@sookibeulah9331 Except they aren't talking about that. They had one nurse mistreat them, which i acknowledge to be wrong and traumatic. But now boasts how they treat all medical staff as their enemy.
The NHS aren't slackers, if you are being 'challenging and difficult' its because you are being challenging and difficult, it's not because they are upset at your fierce independence. They provided good treatment, saved this women's life and made sure their two children entered this world healthy and alive and this persons goes online to bad mouth them and boasts about adding stress and difficulty to their day? No, I'm sorry but that makes you sound like a bad person.
You're a good man rory. I'm glad you're still with us.
I’m furious he’s not PM personally
Having said that, I want to add - as another person who very nearly wasn't here any more, albeit my fate was more in the lap of the gods because I had 'crossed the Rubicon' so to speak - I'm glad you're still here too Rory. You are very clearly a thoroughly good person, with the best intentions, who has dedicated his life to doing good by others. I hope you never lose sight of that fact. Your presence is appreciated by a great many, and your courage in openness admired.
John Major is the most massively underrated and under appreciated.
A lot of his issues were with his MP's some wanting Brexit gave him a hard time, he was old school and fairly decent, but the public services were run down by the 1990's and ERM crisis didn't help. Certainly he was far better than Boris & Lizz.
As a British person living in Germany, let me assure you that the NHS is definitely NOT a soft power asset.
10 years ago it was the best performing healthcare system in the world. Oh how the mighty have fallen…
100% it's far too big and has far too many layers of management and is inefficient like the majority of our public services... extremely expensive for what you get in return.
Personally I think reform of the NHS should be the first priority of the incoming Government. It will break Britain otherwise.
Alas, however, its sacred cow position in the UK as shown by this polling indicates proper reform is nigh on impossible.
@@ijw2009 that is 100% a probable lie that the right tells to justify why the NHS is bad. We underspend compared with Europe on almost every single measure. That is why the NHS is in a state. The TORIES have systematically underfunded it. Do not for one second believe that absolute lie:
Average day-to-day health spending in the UK between 2010 and 2019 was £3,005 per person - 18% below the EU14 average of £3,655.
Matching spending per head to France or Germany would have led to an additional £40bn and £73bn (21% to 39% increase respectively) of total health spending each year in the UK.
Over the past decade, the UK had a lower level of capital investment in health care compared with the EU14 countries for which data are available. Between 2010 and 2019, average health capital investment in the UK was £5.8bn a year. If the UK had matched other EU14 countries’ average investment in health capital (as a share of GDP), the UK would have invested £33bn more between 2010 and 2019 (around 55% higher than actual investment during that period).
British sense of humour is, though.
Re. the swing towards authoritarianism, the political philosopher Dr. Vlad Vexler says the worst single factor feeding this is that increasing numbers of citizens feel *lost*. They find institutions to be opaque and the political process to be incomprehensible because it’s not clear who is doing what and why. Thus politics ceases to make sense, tempting some to want to throw everything out, including democracy and its institutions.
When a politician says 'What I'm hearing on the doorstep is..' I immediately believe they are lying.
I have lived in London for the vast majority of my life.
Not once has a politician ever knocked on the door.
I came here to post that exact comment. I do live in a 'safe' seat, so none of the parties actually bother. The only time I can recall having an MP on the doorstep was well before I could vote and the MP, Sir Nicholas Bonzer, spoke to my Dad.
Where do you live they keep knocking at my door and my MP keeps sending out invites.
More like "what my party / lobbyist told me to say"
A third of people earn more than 50k a year?! A third?! I would have thought that was way, way lower. Is this because I live in the north and work in public sector? Waaaaay less than a third of our workforce earn 50k+. I'm more or less middle managment I'm on about 45k and figured I was doing pretty well as the single earner for our household, even if we can't afford to move to a house more suited for my wife's disability or take holidays but the bills are paid and we save a little each month.
But a third of people getting over 50k?
Feel even more like a failure now but the country is clearly doing a lot better than I assumed, that's a huge income for a third of folk. I really thought that was heading into top 20% territory.
I think that a third of households have a combined income of £50k+.
For individuals, you're probably in the top 15% if you earn this much by yourself.
Even so, being in the top third doesn't make you a failure at all. That implies that the bottom 2/3 are all failures, which is an unhealthy outlook.
@@sb_dunk well my point is that I'm in the bottom 2/3rds. If a third of folk can earn that much as individuals that is a very large number when the average *household* income is about 35k.
Being able to see a geographic distribution of incomes might be very interesting.
@@jezlawrence720 Right, but you're not in the bottom 2/3, you're in the top 15%. And you earn more on your own than the average household.
You deemed yourself to be a failure because you *thought* you were in the lower bracket, and my point is that doing so means that you measure success purely by how much better you think you're doing than others, which is not productive.
Ah I see. Well, no my sense of failure was not particularly linked to being in a lower bracket, it is linked to the fact I have no - and have never had - drive or ambition and thus will be working until I'm 70+, assuming I live that long in the first place. Its more a pure jealousy thing when I look at folk earning that kind of cash, rather than a 'comparing myself' thing. Its the same feeling as 'I wish I could win the lottery'.
And I'm definitely not saying it's healthy!
Alistair... you started this distrust in politicians... it all stems back to the Iraq War. That's where the great disillusionment began. You need to own that.
He's a horrible, conniving man who's somehow passed into "harmless elder statesman" territory, and most people seem to have forgotten his key role in so much of what's wrong with modern politics. For god's sake, he had a dramedy / sitcom based on him and British government shenanigans!
The rest is propaganda
Spin doctors have existed for all of time. You give Campbell too much credit.
This must have been a moment when he thought: "wow, people thing differently than we do!" , looking out the window and seeing million people on the streets. If not, then he's obviously... you can finish the sentence yourself.
Never trusted Thatcher, personally.
Thatcher: determined, STRONG, evil, and dead. These word clouds are surprisingly accurate!
There’s a reason you’re not allowed to call out someone as a liar in the House of Commons because there hasn’t been a government in the UK that isn’t bunch of liars ..
In regard to Israel/Palestine, I think many don't know the history at all, i.e. Balfour, 1948, 1967, 6 day war, The "march of return" mowing the lawn, etc. even further back why Britain wanted Jewish support Suez canal.
Absolutely love this show, when describing polls of ex prime ministers was hilarious 😆
Awesome. Very interested in the poll! I find it refreshing to see some polling that is seeking to understand.
The difference between Tice and Wilder is that Tice is participating in the public media now and then where he has to answer critical questions. In the so called "open society" The Netherlands, Wilders is refusing for decades already any invitation from any mainstream public media. He has never done that. The only thing he does is sending tweets out and this is about the only communication with the the press. It is all one way street complete in line with his cronies in the Kremlin. Wilders is from another level if it comes to transparency and open communication and not strange that he is such a toxic divisive figure that will never be accepted by 70% of the population no matter what. This is going to escalate in a very nasty confrontation where Wilders is going to gather his troops in the street but he is warned the majority of Dutch people will put their gloves on.
Tice avoids all tricky questions on policy, because RUK policy is ridiculous..
@@True_HereticWhich policy or policies are ridiculous? Every single one of them?
@@IainFrame Zero NHS waiting lists. It'll take years to sort that situation out. And great cost. (They never cost their potential expenditures. Its just spend, spend, spend). Net Zero immigration. That would mean taking on no new nurses, having no new students and the money they bring in, unless we deported people on a grand scale, which would be illegal. Lower energy costs. Again, massive investment would be required. And it would take decades to bring to its fruition. I doubt most people who will vote for them will bother to find out what policies they'll be voting for as well.
@@True_Heretic But surely *wanting* zero NHS waiting lists isn't an awful policy itself. Yes perhaps expensive in the short term. Everything costs money. Every tax break, every bit of quantitative easing, they all cost money. Tice said a moratorium on immigration i.e. *temporary* block, not permanent. Immigration is a Ponzi scene. The more you let in, the more you need to keep letting in and subsidise to keep the system running. That leads to an insane demand on infrastructure and housing. It has to be brought back under control somehow.
@@IainFrame Its not an awful policy if its feasible. Its a great policy then. But all parties want to improve the NHS, its a question of practicality. And there's a problem with Reform and the NHS. Farage was caught on a spy camera a while back talking about ending the NHS. Selling it off. Just as Trump wants us to. If that happened only those who could afford private medicine would be served. Other members of Reform have hinted at some privatisation as well. So the zero waiting lists would be because there was no NHS anymore. The NHS will always be incredibly expensive. Medicine and expert treatments always are. I think we need to think outside the box, modernise, tech up, and look for alternative funding, as well as serious government investment. We also need to encourage people to make more healthy decisions, which in itself will lessen the demands on the service without costing a penny. And we could introduce say a health tax on alcohol, as it causes so many accidents and so much violence, as well as serious health issues, that an extra 15%, say, would go straight to the NHS. I say that as an avid drinker. But I still think it would make things better.
I'm certainly not saying immigration isn't an issue. Not only does it upset a lot of people, it also, as you say, places huge demands on limited resources. But there is so much propaganda out there about people in small boats when the reality is that most people coming here at the moment are nurses and students and one helps with the NHS whilst the other brings in free money into our economy. We don't want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg because certain right wing groups/you tube channels are dealing in hyperbole and fake news with all this "Stop the boats" nonsense. But there is, of course, still this problem of over-working the infrastructure. We have a health service fit for 55 million and a population of 67 million. But the solution is simple. Many of the 15 million people who have arrived here under the Tory's rule are working people who pay tax. Clearly tax revenue must have risen considerably but I bet anything an equivalent rise in investment in the NHS, schools, housing development etc has not been made. So its not immigrants who are causing the problem. Its bad management by the government. A government that constantly passes the buck and never takes responsibilty for its neglectful and self-serving ways. Another aspect of immigration is the obvious disconnect between "traditional" Britons., ie white people, and people who lack that heritage. Especially when there are ideological differences like religion rearing their ugly head. (I say that as an agnostic, not as an anti-Muslim). What I think we need, and I've talked to Muslims about this and many agree, is much better communication and a less fearful/paranoia in relation to each other. We are all in this together if we like it or not. And countries are always at their best when there is unity rather than division. Instead of going the Reform way and splitting our society still further, I think we need to understand each other and understand the terrible mess we are in economically. Because there are many horsemen of the economic apocalypse. Brexit, Covid, Russia have hurt us badly. But there is also the benefit and pensions crisis and a looming Alzheimers crisis. And who knows what else may come. An even worse pandemic perhaps. Or World War III. We have to find ways of developing a more robust economy that will be capable of dealing with the current problems and potential future ones. And a united society, everyone playing a part, everyone seeing the good sense of a common goal and a better future. I could go on about what that might entail, but I've already talked your eyes off today. So I'll leave it at that Iain.
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omg Rory, im so sorry that awful article made yo feel like that. Please look after yourself pal, we need more folks like you.
Polls are worse than useless, they are actively dangerous. If you ask someone to make their mind up on a subject about which they know nothing you get three main negatives. Firstly they know nothing about the subject so their opinion is less than worthless (often damagingly wrong), and they are often being led (i.e. two false options to pick between). Secondly it entrenches this worthless opinion and causes active harm, especially when publicised. It is in effect a phycological torture technique to do this. See Brexit for a nice clean example, or Korean prisoner of war camps.
Lastly politicians do this in order to see if they are successfully manipulating the public, but of course it gives them no real information because it's all useless. So the people handing out the polls even damage themselves, even when being purely Machiavellian.
Edit to add - you can only successfully poll people about things they know and have expertise in. Even then you need actual expertise in polling (which presumably the vast majority of those currently polling don't have).
Take away the propaganda for the monarchy and I wonder how much lower it would poll? We rarely hear a balanced view about it.
One could say the same thing about the first-past-the-post voting system which allows the House of Commons to do far more damage in a practical day-to-day sense than anything the royal family does. But keeping saps worked up about the royals is a nice way to distract them from the corruption of democracy that is actually going on.
I think you've misunderstood what soft power means.
Yes if you take away soft power from soft power it will have less soft power
The problem with over preparation is that politicians no longer respond to questions rather than repeating a pre-set answer. That can do real damage to a political cause. Kier Starmer has lost Labour a huge number of votes and probably set up his own demise by failing to listen to a question, repeating his stock answer, and by so doing saying Isreal had the right to starve children to death. The response to that was also poor with a large amount of nonspecific bromides like “Isreal must abide by international law” while failing to flesh that out with specifics, which just made it sound like he thought that anything Isreal did would be acceptable because Isreal did it.
On voters becoming more authoritarian. Is that in some way related to the continuing failure of democratic parties to deliver positive results for voters?
You have a point.
Yes I think this is correct, I do think there is a small contingent of people who would prefer a 'strong authoritarian leader', but overall I think it's more that people feel Parties in Democracies only have policies that people want during election years then drop them whilst in Government, or water those policies down so much to the point they may as well not have bothered. It's the corruption people can't stand, the lust for power taking priority over the will of the people.
It's also ignored that parties themselves have become authoritarian.
They don't brook differences of opinion, are stuffed with careerists, and have close ties to the security establishment that have worked tirelessly to erode civil liberties.
I wonder how much is voters becoming more authoritarian per se, and how much is just voters becoming more radical, which isn't so much about _what_ changes (though each will obviously have their preference) but a willingness to shake up the status quo somehow?
It's the main issue with Labour's current messaging as I view it. It's not about the left-rightness, it's about the radicalness, the aspiration. The more you highlight how fundamentally broken the country is in a number of areas (thus don't trust the Tories, and vote for change), the more radical you'd expect the suggested solution to be.
"Everything's broken, we can't go on like this!"
"Cool, yeah, I agree! So what are you going to do instead?"
"Well, we're going to go on exactly like this, except we're going to very cautiously think about _maybe_ doing some little things differently, where circumstances allow."
"😐"
@@zak3744 You really didn't say anything here. Yet I agree entirely.
Yet again I find myself laughing out loud as Alistair Campbell claims that he was surprised that immigration & anti-eu sentiment existed to the level it did. He only had to look at the increasing ukip vote to see it - if nothing else, Gordon Brown exposed how much Labour misunderstood it by calling that labour voting pensioner a bigot in 2010; but both Cameron & Milliband decided to ignore it until ukip won the 2014 eu election
I also felt that this episode accurately demonstrated Alistairs' lack of self-awareness, inability to reflect on the effects of his own decisions when 'in' power, both of which come across as arrogance
I am strongly more supportive of Palestinians, the Israeli state's behaviour has been utterly inhumane, and I don't think their approach gets hostages back either. Obviously that doesn't mean I agree with violent action against civilians by either side - but we do have to be realistic about the power dynamics of the parties to the conflict.
If the Israeli citizens are blaming netenyahu and his government more for their response in getting the hostages back then that tells you everything…
Terrible to hear Rory wanted to hang himself. It makes you think more carefully what you say to people.
I agree but remember decisions made by him and his peers do cause pain and death in the community’s they were elected to support and protect. I think politicians have long since forgotten why they are in that old building, it’s NOT to make our lives worse!
Why are private companies allowed to run political parties in the U.K.? Feels open to corruption but I’d like to know why this is able to happen and the arguments in favour of allowing it.
I definitely think that immigration is an issue that crosses from the centre left to the far right. Its perhaps only the extreme left that does have concerns in this regard. I think the way different groups express varies but I think its pretty clear for all that things from a demographic perspective are not improving at the moment.
People are fed up with politics because they know their vote doesn't count. You could re-engage everyone in the country in politics by introducing some form of proportional representation.
Excellent point!
as France shows, a monarchy need not necessarily have their heads attached to their bodies in order to be draw tourists.
Robert maxwells former bag carrier and pathological liar Campbell’s rehabilitation as some sort of podcast mental health guru is beyond sick, he has the blood of literally millions on his hands, and specifically dr David Kelly. Some people have no concept or appreciation of history, or have incredibly short memories
Yes, the David Kelly question is an interesting one. Seems to have been brushed under the carpet.
Your discussion on the 'public recognition' of MPs was interesting, I'm sure "Count Binface" was more recognised in the London Mayoral election that the Tory candidate.
Are focus groups and opinion polling helpful? Or do they obfuscate, corrode, and ultimately undermine the functioning of the thing, democracy, that they're supposed to help strengthen? Has there not, after all, been a correlation between an increased use of, and emphasis on these methods and a general cynicism and apathy at large towards politicians and the whole political process? If my every decision in life was polled and then I kept being made aware of these results then would I not start worrying overduly about how others saw me and in turn this would undermine my own convictions and clear thinking actions? All I think this leads to is ever more short termism in politics. Where the next poll matters. And the more they matter the easier it becomes to become a leader who's led rather than one who leads. Politics becomes a PR business and more and more narcissistic when being liked and getting good survey scores is what constitutes a successful week, or not, for a politician and the party..... I think with all this stuff less is more (much, much less than we currently have). Polling does provide information. There's value in that. But in a world where we're overly surveyed then information is rapidly turned into a commodity that ends up debased.
Best political analyst and debate in UK . Two great minds and experienced people , saying as it is .
How can you talk about journalists being persecuted abroad when we have Julian Assange in prison in the UK at the behest of a foreign country.
He hasn't been charged with anything in the UK, if extradicted he will definitely be unalived under dubious circumstances.
100%. The Assange story is utterly shameful and undermines any claim Britain would make to be a fair country that stands up for human rights and fair treatment.
How is the NHS 'soft-power'?
It's a domestic health service. I don't suppose the Italians or Chinese even really know about it.
Interestingly in my experience they do know about it. I believe that the NHS is the largest employer in the world- it is quite famous.
I think it's existence shows the alternative to profit based health systems. It is quite influential in the US health debate, where they have to use untruths to defend the private system.
@@ewen6662nd largest. Chinese armed forces emoloyes more people
@@adamlang7361 Yes, maybe so - but is that really power?
@@ewen666 Thanks for letting me know - I hadn't heard this
Please come back to the question about Assange. Has the chill effect made its way on here?
I’m surprised it’s only 28% who sympathise with the Palestinians. The Israeli response to the attack last October has been out of all proportion. What happened in October was awful and wicked but the response is every bit as bad. There will be no lasting peace until both sides can sit down and find a way to live together.
why are you so surprised? the silent majority supports Israel. Europe is turning to the right. Europeans have a negative attitude towards immigration and Islam I think most of us can swallow this woke anti -European and anti-white hysteria.
When one side wants the genocide of the Jews it isn’t going to happen !! That’s why they intend to eliminate them . They’ve seen it before and said they’d nerved let it happen again .
Israel is committing genocide, wake up!!! with the aid of Europe and America. Palestine doesn't even have an army
Voters may be getting more authoritarian because politics is getting more authoritarian with the emergence of strong populists of late. Which came first? The chicken or the egg?
There seem to be way more chickens around these days, Kidar. As there were in Deutschland in 1934.
The so called centrists have also been authoritarian taking their lead from Thatcher
@@True_Heretic Yep, that's very much my view as well. History is cyclical, because people clearly don't actually take onboard the lessons learned from past historical mistakes. Whether that's because they don't understand, or don't care, or simply don't believe what their own eyes and ears tell them and instead trust various institutions with a dangerous blind faith, I have no idea. I wish more of the population was educated more roundly in the sociology and psychology surrounding historical events. I was very lucky to have a history teacher who was a member of Amnesty International, and took very seriously his role in guiding today's kids into becoming tomorrow's adults. He was a rabble rouser with a soft way of speaking, but whose words carried a lot of weight with me, and never failed to impart the wisdom of how a situation came to be, and how the public was manipulated by leadership via the media. A little Noam Chomsky would go a long way toward educating people about the threats facing society today, but I have to admit, even for being someone who reads US Geological Survey reports for fun, Noam Chomsky's writings are a tough slog, because they cover a lot of ground and require a lot of thought to process it all.
@@KidarWolf Love your comment. Amnesty is very much opposed to what Israel does. And there are plenty of Jewish people who are fine members of Amnesty. Which is why a criticism of Israel can never automatically be "Anti-semitic" no matter what extremists say. Israel needs the protection of international law. Yet it breaks that law itself. Does that country want to be entirely abandoned by the rest of us?
@@KidarWolf Big fan of Noam Chomsky as well.
Thanks for this 'voice' of reason..
Are there any defectors that Keir Starmer would not accept in the Labour party? And given there are some prominent Labour MPs still waiting for the whip to be given back, is he ever going to show the same kindness to his own members as he has to people who are clearly, ideologically opposed to the party? I wonder if he would accept Nigel Farage in the Labour party at this point.
I think he might draw the line at Jacob Rees-Mogg!
One commentator did mention that Jacob Rees mogg does have an opportunity to pull the funniest political stunt in history.
It wouldn't surprise me if he got accepted, given the way Labour is going. It would have me laughing, though, to be fair.
Considering that Labours closest advisor, Sith Lord Mandelson referred to the Green party as a political dustbin, I suspect that anyone wishing to defect from the Greens would be told to Fπ¢K off!
He'll accept Jacob Rees Mogg but not George Galloway
its just a phase they use.
if sunak is so silly that he does not realise the freezing of tax codes and his trying to keep prices high to get more VAT recipts in..is the one of the things that will destroy the torys he should pack his bags and leave for america, ( not to mention his endless attacks on the poor of this countrys and his giving away billions )
last budget was a disaster ..all hunt wanted to do was to reduce the amount of NI payments a firm had to pay when the emply someone and get a liitle bit more tax off people and THEN tells earners that he was helping them ( hunt things were all stupid .)
Public opinion suggests that most people support Rwanda? Seriously? This seems incredibly patronising. Why do people believe what they are told in the media when it is clearly nonsense? Time to educate the electorate.
It depends what questions were asked. My son and I filled in one of those online questionnaires for vouchers (checked it was official/not a scam first!) where among other things you were asked to rate the importance of certain issues. COVID and immigrants in boats were two of them. My son ticked not important for COVID and important for small boats, because the pandemic was largely over whilst people were still drowning in the Channel. He did not believe COVID had never been important, nor that people arriving in boats should be sent to Rwanda, but his answers could be interpreted that way in the absence of further clarification. I answered the opposite way to him for that reason, although we actually have very similar views on both these issues. "Important" doesn't necessarily mean "I agree with the solution proposed by the government", but if the government wants to believe it does, that's what's going to be published.
@@annphillips1086i think their survey is careful. Eg first time they asked hamas vs Israel and then mentioned they'd ask Palestine vs Israel as that would get different answers. They know caring about boats and agreeing with rawanda are different things
The poll confirms to me that the general public is unbelievably uninformed
Can't see the likes of Truss or Johnson feeling like killing themselves after a bout of self-criticism. Thumbs up for Rory!!
Mores the pity
I just realized the acronym of the show title is TRIP 🤓
I’m glad to hear Rory is proud of his leadership campaign, as he should be. I am left leaning and would probably never vote conservative, but I remember really liking Rory and him standing out as a clear favourite. He acknowledged the issue of underfunded social care (which is an enormous false economy, as well as being ethically awful), which no other candidate did.
Really interesting!😊
The presenters needed to keep the graphs slides up for longer . Would of helped with what they were saying and let it sink in. (most people are bad listeners) - as much as we love to see your passionate / sceptical and faces next slide please does do the trick : ]
P.S.
Keep up the good work... & up Scotland and its future independence ;]
Wonder if Nicola is considered Strong and Honest or Dishonest or maybe Jimmy crankie on a word cloud!
Can we also blame the public a little here, who fail to understand the complexity of many issues, fail to understand just how much basic government services actually cost, are unwillingly to sacrifice in the short-term for long-term benefit, who hold unrealistic expectations about virtually everything including their leaders, and who change their mind on a whim? The leaders end up trying to pander to public opinion a lot of the time, and it’s a public which often fails to know basic things.
Agree with Rory about Frank Field’s legacy. His time as a minister was not his best granted.
The agreement that Hamas said they agreed to was NOT the agreement that had been presented to them and what they rewrote was hugely skewed in their favour. And THAT fact they did not state so they could then present it as if the Israelis had done a u-turn in rejecting it. Not exactly accurate reporting.
those aged 18-34 support Palestine with a ratio of 5 to 1 (45% to 9%)
If I were an Israeli I would be really worried
Alistair seemed perplexed that Tony Blair was described as dishonest.
lol. I like the Podcast but they are both pretty delusional about what real people think
@@ricdontap1 I love the podcast, but what chance do the pair have of meeting "real people" - remember the 'Life of Brian' quote - "[Crowd] We're all different".
I believe almost all politicians fib to some extent. Paid politicians are therefore mostly 'professional' liars?
@@gdm2417 Politicians are actually usually very honest. Its very rare to catch a lie.
What they are is MISLEADING.
People think politicians lie because they take what they INFERED as what was actually SAID, when it wasn't.
Alister will know Tony rarely lies. He's just conveniently overlooking Tony being misleading, probably because Alister helped him do this.
Interesting to hear the % splits of facts across the UK, the facts should be readily available to everyone, facts should be transparent to prevent politicians manipulating and misrepresenting information. Best example Scottish Independence. Europe would insist on using the euro. We would loose Royalty and the second chamber. how would laws be made?How would Scotland afford to support society, the Health service, defence, communications and the rest... We're kept in the dark, more transparency...
Can you explain how a proportionate system can allow voters to vote out an unpopular politician? I think that’s a massive flaw as all have to have some kind of centralised list so party hacks are always protected
How can I ask question without having to pay?
Question: ALISTAIR you always mention how some politicians are good, great, or bad.
I would love to know what metrics makes a bad, average and great politician with examples??
Curios thing is that in our Tory constituency in Kent there are more Palestinian flags up than St-George's Cross or Union Jack flags. And lots of posters in people's windows supporting Palestinians.
Could you talk about the influence of the Livery Companies in the city of London?
City of London is a very odd thing. It's barely part of the UK, companies elect officials rather than residents, the Remembrancer is from another world.
Australians don’t have compulsory voting! they are only obliged to sign in at a polling station or through a postal ballot and can lodge a blank or spoiled ballot paper if desired.As a Brit living in Melbourne, Australians seem to be no more politically educated than citizens of Britain using voluntary voting.
Watching from a distance it appears that there is a real lack of proven leadership coming from all of the major parties
I *was* going to ask if counts of spoiled ballots were published in AUS or not, pointing out that (eg) the much-publicised margin between Richard Parker and Andy Street in Mayoral election here was less than the number of spoiled/blank ballots - *now* I can't find the numbers on web.
I'd like to class spoiled ballots as VOTING; in my opinion shows a lot.
Has Mr Spoiled of the Blank Party ever "won" a UK election? In a world full of multiple-choice questions, why can't we have an official/single "None of These b**ds" option?
Yes. But compulsory voting gives a much better result and truer indication of community feeling than voluntary voting. Brexit would never have been a successful referendum in Australia. In addition, under the Australian constitution, which recognises that the effects of any referendum may impact different parts of the country differently then not only is there a need for a majority of individual votes but a majority of jurisdictions.
So, if only England and Wales voted for Brexit and Scotland NI and Gibraltar, Channel Islands voted against then no Brexit. Although I believe compulsory voting would have ensured the referendum would be defeated.
Then there's PR of course. 2 things I agree with Farage: get rid of House of Lords and introduce PR.
Britain could learn much from the former Dominions' modernisation and modification of the Westminster system.
That is compulsory voting. It's not about forcing you to pick someone but making sure you actively choose not to vote.
Why was the Assange section of the question that appeared on screen not read out
What did Rory say at 30.45 where he says Frank Field is a bit like someone - I can’t hear who he’s comparing him to
Premier League is massively more influential than the monarchy internationally
''Body being found...''
I stand on: it ain't my problem. The more we try to meddle in other people's business the more we trap ourselves in affairs that, on the end of the day, do not concern us, do not impact our daily lives, and are wasteful. Israel, Palestine, I couldn't care less
Why can’t I be supportive of Israel but unsupportive of its government’s actions???
What does Israel mean to you?
Does it mean it's people? 90% of whom agree with the genocide.
Doesn't mean agreeing with its current boarders which include settler land they stole?
Which bit of Israel do you mean?
You can be pro Jewish and anti genocide and anti Israel, is that what you meant?
As a Dual Citizen I have spent much time in Australia.Apart from their Preferential Voting System,their compulsory Voting actually works.Partly because the Polling Stations have very friendly Polling Helpers.There is play grounds set up for kids and Refreshments for the parents and voters.
My last visit to one,a helper saw my walking stick and took me to the head of the queue to a voting box with a chair and asked me did I want a drink of water.
There will always be people who don’t want to vote but this “Social and Friendly” side to actually voting encourages people to vote.This style of Compulsory Voting and of course Preferential Voting needs to be introduced to the UK.
Instead all we get here in the UK is Voter disinterest and non participation and the only Unelected Upper House in the World.
The Brits literally voted against AV/Preferential voting in 2012. The British public literally voted to keep FPTP. As an Australian, I frankly think our system is great, also with Single Transferrable Vote in the Senate.
Australia is a PROPER country. Unlike UK or USA. They took you to the front of the queue? Good on them! I envy you, living there.
And give 'em a sausage.
@@True_HereticCoz of all the migrants maybe.
@@soulsphere9242totally agree. I remember my Dad an English immigrant going on and on about PR. He was wrong! PR ensures stronger democracy. So does having a representative house of review.
On the universal credit figures, if you show it as a percent of the working age population (37.5m), and universal credit (6.4m claimants) only applies between 18 year olds and retirement age, it's about 17%. Complicated also because UC claimants now claim as a household unit, so a simple claimant count doesn't show how many people are supported by benefits - I.e. children and partners of a claimant. UC is still only one of a number of benefits. Would be interesting to see the public perception on how many are supported by a wider form of benefits - I imagine for many answers of the question they took UC as a proxy for working age benefits in general.
I suspect the percent of population earning more than £50,000 a year, is actually based on household income rather than individuals, I.e here you are taking often two incomes and not dividing by total population as you did with UC. Interesting choice to use total population as the denominator for universal credit, (to make it look low) and then use households when comparing income (to make it look high). If you're going to use a consistent phrase like "population" in your polling questions, and that might make sense for simplicity, but you should use a consistent and proper dominator.
Very sad to hear Alastair to reminisce about the great Frank Field,,, It can be such a shame politics in the front line can harden people,,, when Alastair wanted to make legislation practical in a timescale when genuine core passion from Frank could have blinded that...
Polls didn't miscall the brexit election - I know because I checked polls at the time - saw it was 50 /50 and that bookies offered over 4 / 1 and so I put a bet on brexit happening (although I voted to remain). £4000+ of profit..good ol polls!
I like a bit of levity in the face of great sincerity, so...
Can you imagine the scale of the nationwide manhunt if Rory had been found hanged, with twine, one day after the publication of the story?
Suspects:
Scottish people = about 5 million
Who have access to twine = still about 5 million
Who hate the Tories = still about 5 million
The MET would still be interviewing suspects today.
What is your opinion of Peter Mandelson?
That title is misleading and vague - better titles should be 64% more support Israel than Palestine on one hand, or 50% have no strong feelings on Israel-Palestine, _or_ just 17% support Israel - which, since this is our government's position, is most relevant.
They totally skipped over it too - they must have spent all of two minutes discussing it before moving on. I expected better than this kind of clickbait journalism from this podcast.
Al Jazeera's coverage of Palestine/Israel has been the most transparent and honest.
Sadly western media has much to be desired in thsi respect.
Those guys are the very best of journalists.
I haven't seen much of their English coverage, but their Arabic coverage has been absolutely dreanged and disgusting
@@ehudshapira2745watch,English Version
@@ehudshapira2745 Tell me. What is it like to be a modern day NazI?
@@True_Heretic I would love for you to tell me how you reached that conclusion about me in detail.
There is an unbelievable competition for people's free time right now. For example, Microsoft recently paid 70 billion dollars for the makers of the computer game Call of Duty. With that sort of money, some relative of a Tory minister could send hundreds or perhaps even thousands of immigrants to Rwanda.
Missed a few bigs ones there Al!
So when you’re asked a question about womens poor experience of childbirth in the UK you talk about good campaigning MPs, but when asked about Togo you are interested and well informed - no wonder maternity services are so rubbish if this is the level of interest and informed debate of even fairly liberal-minded politicians. The ‘ Educated man in the street’ ( what century are you living in Rory) might be pretty despairing
I sympathise with Israel, but not with their far-right government.
You mean faaaaaaaaar-right.
Sadly that government has a strong mandate from the Israeli people. Rehabilitating that nation is going to be a long, hard process 🙁
@@markwelch3564 Same with Gaza and Hamas unfortunately.
@@dale6947 I suspect support for Hamas would disappear pretty quickly if Gaza had a legitimate defence force instead. A lot of the current support comes from the utter lack of an alternative
AMEN!
Raise income tax thresholds - many people, particularly pensioners, will be taxed due to this not raising with inflation. I live on a small pension and really struggle, but I apparently earn enough to pay tax with the next uplift. Btw, not all public sector pensions are large. Tax wealth (assets over £10m)
That is such a weird thing to say "David Kelly's body being found" by Alistair Campbell 23:40. What does he mean by that?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)#
What do you mean what does he mean?
If we are supposed to be a democracy then both leaders of government should have equal time on tv. Not just lying but made to tell yhe truth.
What is the point of speculating on an election when you’ve no idea when it will be--lazy journalism…
Another two who really don’t understand that immigration, both legal and illegal is not what the majority of the British electorate want
Paraphrasing Auden ‘those to whom evil is done do evil in return’
Maybe going to a gambling house and asking for the odds from a bookie is more reliable than a paul
What was most popular to describe Blair. Murderer, war criminal, liar, creep ?
Ok, so for the total poll nerds, do you have an explainer on your methodology
Yes please
Maybe we need a backbencher MP to pick up House of Lords reform. Strip it down, get rid of the worst of them (Baroness Mone; how TF is she still there!) keep the best of them to ensure the Commons has supervision. (Like 2 year olds in nursery, they absolutely need supervised).
More than 28% hopefully.
How can the death of 1 man be the worst day for Alister, when subjectively the friends I had, now dead, sent to Iraq on a lie, along with 100’s of Brits, 1000’s of Americans and 10,000’s of Iraq’s not even register in his sub consciousness? Yes, personally, maybe that death affected him, as life is about personal experiences to bring things home. But I would love to drag that man through the streets of Iraq today and see if all the known lies were worth peddling and the memorials to so many that died play no effect in his mind, because of the lies told. Incredible & wonder why British people don’t believe anyone from the Political establishment in 2024.
Good call!
I think you made an error when saying 34% of the population earns over 50k per year. I believe you mistakenly quoted household income instead of individual income as the number of individuals earning over 50k is far lower and this would be a better statistics for determining what percentage of the total population earn over 50k.
£50k a year is £3,300 per month after taxes, assuming you don't pay into a pension. Given you should be paying in 10% into a pension too and that the average rent in London (13% of population) is £2,121 per month and £1,325 in the South East (14%) then it's really not a lot when you factor in the other costs of life.... car(s), food, bills, etc. As such to live a normal life where 27% of the population live you need an income significantly higher than that and I would therefore assume that this raises the 'average income' across the country (where it's clearly much cheaper to live) to the £50k.
@@ijw2009 The median salary for London is £44,000. The figure you're quoting for rent is the average rent for a property not the average rent paid by an individual. Remember when it comes to renting the vast majority of tenants aren't living alone so the actual individual income needed to be comfortable is vastly less than what you estimated. If you're living in a 4 person flat in London at that average price you're only paying ~£540 a month.
@@Zeroground300 when quoting averages most people are going to use the mean which I presume is what is being quoted here. Peoples living arrangements differ. I couldn’t for example think of anything worse than living with 4 others in a flat.
@@ijw2009 Sure you might not like living with 3 or 4 other people but for those in London that's a reality they need to accept and is very common. That's how they afford the rent.
But when they talk about Universial Credit they used total population, even though only working age population can be claimants, and claims are at a household level. Their actual stats are a bit of a mess really.
I’d love to know who you think were / are the best orators in politics in the last 50 years. Anyone - Any country.
Nobody supports Rwanda policy
On 9 minutes, advisory teams (Sunak, Trump, Prince Andrew 😂) seem less successful than opinion polls!
Glad Rory did not take that route of sucide, I can now see why a friend said he voted for him.
Am not a conservative but I like him.
Not meaning to criticise your poll because it is great work, but obviously given it is your viewers, it must be highest biased. Taking that into account is very difficult of course.
It isn’t their viewers. It’s a general opinion poll.
@@davidwright7193 oh I thought they said the sample were people who received their news letter?
@@rodbenson5879 No they sent the results to the people who receive their newsletter because they paid for it.
Think they were just including it in the newsletter.@@rodbenson5879
@@rodbenson5879 no the results were sent to the people who subscribe to the news letter. The headline voting intention figures are in line with what you would expect from a de novo pollster entering the marketplace at this time. They are at the high end of the current distribution for the Tories probably due to an unavoidable oversampling of Tory voters due to inaccurate recall of 2019 voting behaviour.
I mean… you are talking about the general public… your poll is likely a self selecting sample of your listenership
Interesting that being Scottish is considered as brutal, re G Brown word loud.
I dont think it's any surprise that Tice and Farage dont get on tbh