What Britain Really Thinks of Politics | Latest UK Polls & Narendra Modi Gears Up for India Election
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- Are the Tories in danger of being overtaken by Reform UK? Should polling instruct or inform political decisions? Who is the country’s least popular politician?
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00:00 - Intro
01:12 - The Rest Is Politic Poll
04:39 - Polls in Politics
32:17 - Modi and the Indian Election
52:16 - The caste system in India explained
56:00 - Interview with the Chief Minister of Gibraltar
1:15:15 - Outro
"Online gaming industry" is just a nice way for him saying "Online gambling" by the sounds of it.
They are the toughest regulator in the world, that's why all the gambling companies want to be based there. Give me a break dude lol
He's the master of spin or WAS. Now infamous as Malcolm Tucker reprised by Dominic Cummings like Cromwell and Rich they all got roasted
"Gaming" must be Gibraltarian for gambling. I was half expecting Rory to look disappointed and say "Oh you mean "g-a-m-b-l-i-n-g" - that's what we call it over here."
I would love an analysis of the Indian National Congress by Rory and Alastair. How does a party which was singularly dominant up till recently, now struggles to communicate even the basics of their platform to the public? Because Modi's rise and dominance is as much a result of his own political astuteness as it is of Congress' incapability to counter him.
Both of them have zero respect for Modi, the BJP. The narrative that the majority of Indians are anti-muslim or any religion is laughable. It's the extremist and jihadist elements that people like him, the UAE, and Saudi lately have started to remove from the discourse.
I’ll try to explain it you how things are here in India. Two most important things- 1 - Current day congress is run by the 4th generation of Nehru-Gandhi dynast who in recent days have become extreme left( more like USSR or 50’s/60’s of CCP -communist) by giving salaries to imams of most mosques, giving so much government land to muzlim personal law board, taking taxes from Hindu temples which is given by Hindu devotees from their own pocket but nothing in return for temple or any Hindus, special privileges like reservation in education, jobs etc for muzlims even though in our constitution it’s clearly written one can’t give reservation or any special privileges on the basis of their religion, only financially weak can avail it but they have given this to entire muzlim community be it rich or poor. Bringing in so many muzlim illegal immigrants be it Rohingya, Bangladeshi and some even from Pakistan and then giving them Aadhar card followed by voter id cards in states in which they or their allies are in power. Also since he is 4th generation of this well to do Nehru-Gandhi billionaire rich family which has ruled India for 60 years in the last 76 years out of which this family(Nehru 1st PM, Daughter Indira, her son Rajiv, his wife Sonia and now their son Rahul Gandhi) alone has ruled the country as PM for over 50 years and then when they talk of eradicating poverty, more rights for poor and minorities like government jobs, less taxes, free electricity, more subsidies for farmers etc etc people have just stopped taking them seriously and feel it’s just false promises before the polls by entitled, privileged people. If they were really interested in doing all this they could’ve done this long back or at least first should start implementing same in states where they are in power. Also their past record when it comes to governance is terrible and then of course 100’s corruption charges of titanic proportion. 2 - On the other hand you have a very shrewd, ruthless, experienced (3 term as CM of Gujarat and now 10 years as PM), never takes leave, is 24/7 politician & seen as a strong leader PM Modi who has come from a very humble background made his way from bottom to top and don’t have family so people feel whatever he is doing it’s for the country and not for any of his personal gain and most importantly incorruptible, whereas most opposition parties which is full of corrupt 3rd or 4th generation dynasties. We have not seen this kind of infrastructure that too at such rapid pace in our country from building new airports(from 74 in 66 years to now 149 in total in last 10 years under Modi. Amazing 6-8 lane expressway, new trains and stations including world class metros in so many cities. Over 10 million house for the poor, 500 thousand Indian ruppes of family health insurance. I can go on and on like when he took over as PM India was 11th largest economy and today it is at 5th and according to most top economists it’ll be 3rd by the end of this decade. Sorry for such lengthy post but it was necessary to explain what’s going on here in India and why PM Modi is so popular and will come back to power for 3 term in all probability with a even bigger majority. Cheers 🥂
Just a second point on India and its foreign policy. India’s stance has been clear, why should its foreign policy be in line with the whims of the incumbent US administration. India within its right as is any country to act in its self interest. Its current trade with Russia ensures there is enough food for its people and inflation is kept in check. It also remembers how early post-Independence USA backed Pakistani and continued to back Pakistani when it became a terrorist state. Russia was there as an ally. Remember post-9/11 USA sold arms to Pakistan because it was in their interest to get support against the Taliban. instead Pakistan were harbouring Bin Ladin and using their arms to support terrorist attacks in India like the 26/11 attacks in Mumbai.
I think the rest of the world should grow a backbone and develop their own foreign policy and not just follow in the footsteps of the USA
Pot kettle black with India calling Pakistan a terrorist state whilst simultaneously going rogue itself and effectively turning full on Hindutva.
I'd like Rory and Alistair to discuss the Tavistock scandal and the Cass report on the next Q&A pod
Will they be brave enough to do so????🤔
They are weak liberals 😂
I get the feeling their response would be something like _"I don't see what all the fuss is about. This just seems like a Culture War distraction."_
They give me the impression of being extremely knowledgeable and insightful in certain areas. But stuck in a bubble of their own making.
@@andybrice2711Absolutely, they have a real tendency to dismiss the basis of successful populism which is that populists correctly diagnose people’s worries because they disagree with the populists solutions. They will only defeat types like Trump when they offer better solutions to the same problems rather than denying the problems (immigration, the feeling of the minimisation of western culture, etc) exist.
@@dazzle4708 I’ve been quite impressed with the New Statesman’s videos recently. Even though they’re generally mainstream centre-left, they really seem to understand a wide range of political ideologies, and give them a fair analysis.
Whereas when these guys were like _“Why would anyone oppose the Scottish hate bill? Hate is bad.”_ I thought _”You obviously haven’t considered this in much depth.”_
It's funny I've always been a Labour person voted against brexit and because I want to stop illegal immigration I'm now classed as far right
o the irony 😂
I wouldn’t class you as far right. The hard left and the hard right are equally evil.
Yeah. To me - human migration is essential. I'm coming at this from what, to me, is science. The logic in me insists that islands are particularly vulnerable to turbulence - I think we need to regain control of a stable infrastructure. We need to know how many people are on these islands and what their quality of life and sense of well-being and contentment is like. And when it's really good - that's when we need to sit on the fluctuation to stop it from swinging wildly about. Legal or illegal immigration - it's the pace and volume that counts (I know - we can't factor what we don't know about). That most of the world now has an issue with pace and volume is something urgent for the world to rectify. People, everywhere, need to be content and they are so not. Am I far right, too? With everything else - I could be designated as left wing. The issue of migration isn't a political one.
Being against illegal immigration doesn't inherently make you far-right. However, if you're one of those people who blames all of our problems on illegal immigrants/minorities and sees them as 'stealing jobs' or living off of our benefits system rather than looking at more important issues as to why we have all our problems, then that could definitely be described as far-right. It's exactly what happened in 1930s/40s Germany, where Jews were a minority and the blame for all problems were put on them instead of looking at more important issues.
huh, we don't have that much illegal migration. refugees however, that problem is caused by the right wing. put a processing centre in France. sorted. they're the ones who refused to because the symbolism of boats in the channel helps them politically. don't be their pawn
They were so soft on that sleazy Gibraltar guy! Didn't call him out on this awful 'gaming' euphemism when really he means gambling, didn't interrogate him on why on earth the largest gambling companies would operate from a tiny jurisdiction with supposedly the strictest regulator, etc etc. and no criticism on his side of the corruption story which sounds equally slimy even when he tells it
“Who made his name playing me basically” Peter Capaldi was already a well-known, critically acclaimed stage and screen actor long before he appeared in The Thick Of It.
I do really enjoy listening to this podcast since finding out about it last month. There's a lot of insightful analysis on a broad arrange of topics that I would have never considered. Thanks for providing an informative and easy listening experience, especially for non-British folk like myself.
Given what the Toreis have delivered.
I really cannot understand those who choose to vote Tory and be further impoverished.
They require professional mental health care.
Maybe but they won't get it unless they pay and they won't!
I think most Conservative voters would be content if the Conservative government had done what it promised to do if elected.
Which was always undeliverable, as to make Brexit a success would require the UK to be a USA or EU equivalent in terms of geoeconomics. We are not! Empire is over and Brexit was never going to resurrect it in any form!
You could say the same about pyramid schemes...
They campaigned on one issue - getting Brexit done. For me, once they did that, their mandate was up.
@@bryangeake5826it was deliverable ! They were weak, liberal blarites who hated their own voters
Alastair dodges questions on Iraq better than Trump dodges a salad .
The man screws his trousers on in the morning
How about trying to move on from Iraq? It was 20 years ago, ffs.
@@TrevorBarre I assume your legs are still attached to your body
@@TrevorBarreAlastair's methods when he managed Blair's press must not be forgotten, like it or not understanding his flaws are important when considering his views. Especially annoying after seeing the evidence at the Hutton inquiry was the whitewash verdict, which Alastair trots out occasionally.
Iraq was a massive strategic blunder, which France stayed out of because Chirac was skeptical about the intelligence while we know Tony's team were demanding reports which supported their conclusion.
Once proven false, did Tony honourably resign?
Alastair is covering for Tony, who cultivated contacts and has had an extremely lucrative post-PM career.
@TrevorBarre Tell that to family's of the soldiers who died ffs
I am a lifelong Labour voter. I want Labour to offer a fresh vision for Britain. What I’ve read about their manifesto feels rather like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. I’ve seen Rachel Reeves interviewed several times recently and she is really beginning to annoy me. OK, I accept that policies need to be costed to some extent, but we need a fresh approach to our economy, not re-hashed Tory policies. As it is, I shall mostly likely be voting tactically, as where I live, Labour stand no chance whatsoever, but the Libdems do. I just want rid of the disastrous Tories who I loathe and despise for what they’ve done over the past 14 years.
If I didn’t live in Scotland I’d tactically vote too in order to ensure the Tory candidate failed. Therein lies Labour’s only USP, which is “we aren’t the Tories”
SNP don’t have their problems to seek, but they have people centred left of centre policies in place and are pro EU
We tried radical. It was utterly rejected by the electorate.
People will not vote for hard left. They haven’t for fifty years.
I imagine that Labour are keeping their manifesto close to their chest because anything they say is taken by the Tories and spent on tax-cuts! See non-doms in latest budget. Quite frankly I just want competence and I absolutely hate the Tories with every fibre of my being. I imagine most people will be voting tactically to help Labour win. The next challenge will be pushing for PR so we don’t have to have these conversations about not being able to vote for who we really want. You shouldn’t have to vote tactically in a so-called democracy but FPTP is not democratic.
Exactly this.
If you look back to the 90s, Brown was much the same (to the frustration of the shadow cabinet who wanted to pledge more ambitious stuff). Obviously things were different once they were actually in. It's about not providing ammunition.
Here's a radical idea. How about if the parties actually got as many seats as people voted for them?
There's no such thing as moderate authoritarians.
You are both right and wrong. People on the moderate left are enabling authoritarianism with their blind religious adherence to the left and hatred for all things right.
And that is now growing in the moderate right and the people pushed to the extreme right from their (purported) original place on the (ironically) more extreme left. By more extreme people on the left for not strictly adhering to or accepting their dogma.
That's not really true. There is a spectrum from libertarian to authoritarian. For example (approximately): The Netherlands → The UK → Australia → Poland → Singapore → Hungary → Qatar → Russia → China → Iran → North Korea
Indeed, look at the SNP!
@@vatsmith8759what’s that supposed to mean.
Idiot.!
Pisistratus, Lee Kuan Yew, ...
Lived in Gib in 67 for a few months. So impressed by the Gibralter people's sense of humour, friendliness and enterpise. We used to go down 'Smoky Joe's'.every night with travellers streaming out of Africa into Europe & travellers from Europe passing the other way. Fascinating time. Spain at that time was desperately poor and oppreseed by Franco. Now the EU has lifted them up so any downturn today compared to that is a mere bagatelle. Now the UK is in serious trouble from our senseless Quitting of the EU by our dumbass Quitters.
Boomer talk.
Lol. "Even further". They're practically centrists.
This was one of the best videos from this channel. Thank you, gentlemen. Canadian viewer.
The Tories don't have any options about where to move. Labour are now firmly centre-right, which was David Cameron's old haunt. The Tories won't go left of Labour's position, so what remains except to follow Reform's marching orders to the far right.
If Labour is leaving huge unoccupied spaces to its left, why aren't the SNP and Liberal Democrats making hay in the polls?
Bull shit 😂😂 they are at the least centre left with quite a a few activist MPs
Please add questions on support for a introducing a democratic voting system in UK... First Past the Post in a non compulsory vote, and an unelected upper house, certainly isn't.
On the topic of Indian elections. I think both Rory and Alastair need to consider/mention the one other important factor. The main opposition and especially opposition leadership (Congress party) is the weakest it could be with the Congress party stuck in their own nepotism related issues. With such weak opposition leaders who don’t have any sort of connection with the urban population, who keep on focusing on some typical left wing agendas are never going to strike a chord with young urban population in particular. Would love to hear your thoughts on this and for you to consider this side of the story too instead of only discussing the populism/right wing angle for Modi’s popularity. Love the podcast, keep up the great work!!
Also his work on infrastructure and security is praiseworthy
I agree that there is no modern urban liberal party in India to counteract the BJP, at least on the national level (see TMC in West Bengal), that can be trusted by the people to have integrity
@@shivumganesh There's nothing liberal and trustworthy about WB's TMC. Western Liberalism is something which has zero appeal to India.
All I can say is that with First Past The Post voting, my vote is inconsequential. My vote, in my area, will affect nothing at all. It will be a Labour seat, yet again. It's the lesser of the evils of Tory or Labour, but it's not going to fix anything. If we get rid of FPTP, then perhaps we can have a system where everyone's vote matters? As it is, this is a mockery of democracy, top to bottom.
same here. my seat is massively tory. but I plan to vote green.
I completely agree. There's an infinite amount of studies to support the implementation of proportional representation and I concede, harbouring this dinosaur FPTP system undermines our democracy entirely. However, I do worry that given the rising popularity of Reform UK (and the general sentiment for polarisation), what the implications of having these fascists in our Parliament will be.
Kidar,
first past the post is far from ideal, but proportional reperesentation means no body is happy or their requirements are met.
Coalitions are dreadful, and pull in all different directions so there can never be any progress.
The unfortunate situation of late is there is nothing to chose between the two biggest parties so a vote is waste of time anyway.
@@jx6774 Honestly, i think that having a few of these nutters in office, although unappealing, is really quite likely to expose how incompetent they are - thereby undermining further support. Having them outside of parliament allows them free reign to promise the impossible, and fuels their fallacious narrative of being plucky underdogs fighting against entrenched elites.
@@mtb5778 I've never voted Green. I've been a Lib Dem and occasional Labour voter. This time, I will be voting Green, mainly because while I may not agree with all of their ideas, they're closer to representing what I would like to see in this country than any other party, and while my vote won't matter, I think the final statistics of the actual tally may encourage the Green Party if more people vote for them this time than last. It may not win them seats, but it can show that they're not barking up the wrong tree.
Here's my question for your next poll: Would you prefer European-style coalitions to the British-style two party system? Actually, I am not at all confident people would know what the hell I'm on about, which is electoral reform, of course. Perhaps I could add: Would you prefer more referenda, or leave important issues to the elected MPs? Again, I'm not confident about the outcome, but I don't think that's a good reason not to find out what people think. Something along those lines, anyway.
Did your poll seriously ask "do you have more sympathy for HAMAS or Israel?" Why in the hell would u pose the question that way, that's absolutely disgusting imo! Do you have more sympathy with Palestine or Israel is surely a better reflection of the issue...
Expat TRIP member here in the states - am pretty sure a party (specifically Labour) could if they wanted to contact every single one of us who’ve been able to register again and ask us a bunch of questions, including a) when did you lose the right to vote and b) how would you have voted in each election or referendum you were not able to vote in. Might give them an idea of what to expect from new expat voters who the tories finally got round to recognising as British despite saying they would in 4 separate manifestos.
Feel the need to say that Alistair's glasses are phenomenal! You need to wear those more often
Imagine how much better the world would be if heads of state served for no more than 10 years with no extensions.
The Labour party might lurch even further to the left. The current Tories are not right wing in any way.
As someone that plays a lot of online poker (for years). I can without any doubt that 888 poker is an absolutely disgusting company. If there “customer service” or the responsibility they take towards online gambling is an example of the Gibraltar way of “toughness” on online gaming then I wouldn’t be bragging about it.
Tories are toast and they know it 🤣🤣🤣
Done for
'Online Gaming' is such a terrible euphemism for gambling. Shame!
How should I interpret Ukraine as being so low in the list of importance? Is it low because people don't care about Ukraine, is it low because people think politicians broadly have the right view on Ukraine or is it low because people think Ukraine is out of the UKs influence?
Probably a mix of all of the above. Just not really in peoples mind to prioritise rn, though of course the government will continue to support them whatever since theres actually cross party agreement
This isn't an affront, this is fun. Too many people in the community arefar too precious about old machines. Of course we need pristine examples, but we also need to see what they can do...
Thanks for showing that!
Alastair's glasses - good choice!
The way Rory and Alastair commented after Chief Minister’s interview was elegant, we can see skepticism in their body language in this video yet they were subtle
Hi guys,
Been listening to your podcast for some time now and have been finding it interesting. Listening to your discussion about poling just now , I realise that in this political climate the question is , WHAT IS THE QUESTION?
The rightward lurch of the Tories after an election defeat is pretty much inevitable. It's exactly how they reacted last time they got hammered. It'll probably take another (possibly even worse) beating at the following election before they start coming to their senses.
27:30 I think they're dead wrong about the only people who care about immigration and culture war issues are reform voters. There's a lot of voters who care about those things who just can't bring themselves to vote reform. I think this will manifest in low turnout this coming election; people who feel unrepresented has never been higher.
They won't be sharing it because it will be so catastrophically bad, it will scare them 😅
The polling discussion is interesting because it's almost as if they are changing the outcome by measuring it
I really enjoyed the interview of the Chief Minister. Excellent addition to the show!
Rory, was talking about his disconnect with Londoners over his wish to plant trees and Alistair Campbell said Rory was right and they were wrong.
There is the problem. Both of them think they know better than the man in the street. They may do, but that’s not what counts.
What counts, right or wrong , is what the man in the street wants.
Right across the whole of the UK, what is primary, is what the people want, not what the politicians want.
So many polls, I wish I was a pollster!
Impressive and interesting as ever. I’m a huge fan of this intelligent podcast
Could you ask Mr Picardo if he thinks the Llanito culture is a force for good in the Campo de Gibraltar area? It's just that this whole Llanito thing is much bigger than the rock and is incredibly curious and makes for a unique cultural mix. I love how people on or around the rock speak with rather posh English accents but the Spanish is totally "Gaditano."
I suggest we put that 'escape room' scenario to the test 🤣
The man couldn't negotiate his way out of a wet paper bag. His logical thought processes are kicked around the chamber every Wednesday with remarkable ease.
Gibraltar’s first minister seems very capable and is a quiet impressive interview.
And very capable of telling one side of the story. I don't ee him stating that the search warrant was to be executed on a colleague of his (a lawyer at the same company as Picardo), and that , yes, Picardo turned over his whatsapp messages... except those with James Levy (the guy who the search warrant was against). And that he then fired McGrail for getting a bit close to the truth. And now he has changed the law so he can shut down the public inquiry that started yesterday.
The terms "left" and "right" are now meaningless. Before the advent of identity politics the terms referred to referred to economic preferences, "left" being more statist, "right" more laissez faire. However, nowadays it is perfectly possible to have "leftish" beliefs on economic matters but socially conservative views on things such as gender identity. So if I would like to see more nationalisation and state control of vital infrastructure but don't believe that women can have penises, am I "left" or "right"?
You know we are in a cost of living crisis when Rishi Sunak's Adidas Samba now cost, did AC say £4500?
I think Nigel Farage is a lot more popular with the silent majority than you give him credit for.
Yes you're right, there is an abundance of gullible racists in the UK
If he was so popular with the so-called “silent majority” he wouldn’t have failed to get elected to parliament 7 times.
Oh how wonderful (off-piste for a moment), but not only is Alastair anti-fur but has a framed ad supporting the movement. Thank you. My fave political podcast; impossible not to learn from it.
My question; 🙋🏼♀️ what’s in Rory’s blue carrier bag, smiling at how distracted I have been by it 🤦🏼♀️😂
I would be interested to hear more about opinions on the topic of independence for England. Given that previous polls showed a similar percentage of people in England wanted this as in Scotland who want Scottish independence, I find it a bit odd that it never seems to be spoken about in the media, or proposed by political parties.
Depends how the question is asked. Most English people don’t care
Who, exactly, is England supposed to want independence from?
@@stephenderry9488 Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
@@MiningForPies How many decisions made in Glasgow, Cardiff or Belfast impact everyday English people?
@@stephenderry9488 is that your only criteria?
Scotland has more MPs per capita than England, they can also vote on laws that only affect England.
"He is only ahead on immigration"...that is the existential issue that affects every other aspect of politics like housing, population density, crime, civilsational direction, social values, etc
Just immigration.
Smart move doing your own polling.
I'd prefer to live in a straw hut in Rwanda, than in the British Isles with all all of its problems.
Entertaining listen/watch 👍
On the subject of polls and focus groups (etc), for those that haven't seen it I highly recommend the documentary series 'The Century of the Self' (directed by Adam Curtis). It's available via CZcams.
In the next poll I'd like to see more questions about support for Ukraine and concern about the future intentions of Putin's Russia, allied to questions about UK defence readiness and spending.
Great polling credentials :D. :D
A suggestion for a pole to run for the podcast: do we want to hear the waffle of elected officials on the podcast… it’s a no from me. The critical thinking of Rory and alistair make the podcast interesting… hearing the chief minister be careful with his words and peddle his party agenda really made me switch off
Modi’s early national campaigns were headed by Prashant Kishor. He is a phenomenal election strategic management and in the coming year, he will be the opposition in Bihar, India. Check him out and his work.
Looking forward to going to your Manchester show in October but hope the show focuses mainly on the UK election as American politics means nothing to me.
Indian elections is the best held and organized elections in the world
That Advanced Economies like Japan , Australia and European delegates come to study and learn how Such elections are held
Rory and Alastair: Do many EU countries tuck their gambling legislation under the gaming legislation? If it is usually a separate legislation, could this be why Gibralter has, according to the chief minister, the strictiest gaming legislation?
Hasn't Sunak already solved an escape route? His American green card.
It is sad that mainstream parties in the UK (Labour as well as the Tories) feel the need to pander to that considered expert on world and domestic affairs "the bloke down the pub". Whatever the result of the election reactionary ideas have changed, and to my mind ( I'm almost certainly an elderly "woke" lefty), damaged political discourse and our society's slow progress to fairness, decency and civilisation.
Secondly, we can only hope that Modi's rise is followed by some sort of fall though his hold over the media makes it hard to see where that might come from: perhaps he will fall out with some of his wealthy mates.
A number of points about Modi and India
1. The Ram mandir that was rebuilt - the Babri Masjid that was torn down in 1990 had been built after the original Ram mandir was torn down in the 1500's. The Babri Masjid was the tomb a man who proclaimed that he was to kill or convert all non-believers in India. The Ram mandir holds the same significance to Hindus as the Church in Bethlehem.
2. The Emergency in the 1970's was a shameful act by the Congress Party to keep hold of power by declaring opposition party members terrorists and subsequently jailing them. RSS that Modi was part of grew in prominence because of the Emergency
3. Removing special status of J&K enabled its citizens to have the same rights as any other Indian citizen. This also meant that Muslim girls and women who previously supressed now how the right to an education and to own property that was not previously possible.
4. The CAA act is only applicable to refugees who arrived in India before 2014 from neighbouring countries. The reason non-muslims are fast tracked is because they faced persecution in those neighbouring countries for being non-muslim. How is fast tracking one group any different to Britain fast tracking visa applications from a country with which there is a trade agreement
5. Modi has not introduced any laws that are anti-Muslim. He is trying to introduce a Uniform Civil Code which means that every citizen regardless of religion will be subject to the same laws. This is because Congress over many years of pandering to the Muslim votes, introduced laws that meant Muslim men were subject to different laws around marriage, divorce, alimony. Extreme Muslims want Sharia laws to be introduced and so they're antagonising other Muslims to say Modi is set out to hurt Muslims. Congress are jumping on this band wagon to grab votes
6. Modi's retort to the Congress manifesto, mentioning the Muslim League, is not a dig at the Muslims living in India, but a dig at the Muslim league on the 1940's who successfully campaigned for Pakistan. Modi's retort was that Congress manifesto was designed to divide India. His aim is to unite India
7. Look at the choice offered to Indians. On the one hand Modi who has risen through the ranks as a community supporter/leader, to politician, responsible growing the Gujarat economy as CM. Has pledge to grow India's economy, invite development to help everyone. On the other hand you have Rahul Gandhi, whose only claim is that he wants to be PM because his Great-Grandfather, Grandmother and Father were all PMs, and that gives him worthy credentials
8. The laws that were introduced that Modi is using to "control" the media were introduced by the previous Congress Govt
9. Your hint that Modi is purposefully under investing in education so keep control of his voter base is shameful. Since 2018 he has held an annual event to discuss board exams interacting with students, teachers and parents. Emphasising the need to study hard and get good result.
10. The person allegedly assassinated by Indian agents (Canada has not provided any evidence to the Indian Govt or to the public) was known separatist who was responsible for organising attacks on Hindus across the world and supplying arms to terrorists in India who want a Sikh state.
11. The voter turnout in the 2019 Indian General Election was under 70%. Western democracies, if they were truly democratic would love to have that kind of voter turnout
Finally on a personal note, I am fed up of the anti-Indian, anti-Modi and anti-Hindu rhetoric that is prevalent in western media. It has shown its ugly face on this podcast numerous times as well. It's disgusting, both Alistair and Rory should ensure if they talk about India or Modi that their source is neutral, or they get information multiple sources so that they provide a balance view.
Toundrydawe are laughing stock that's why u guys can't stop talking Abt us😂😂😂
The lack of contextual awareness and putting points into perspective by both of them was utterly appalling. So disappointed with the quality of analysis. Aside from the closed minded interpretation of modi policy, those hollow accusations and insinuations of corruption and an Indian ‘oligarchy’ were outrageous.
Bro they don't care about context or history or right or wrong. It's not on their agenda. Save your breath and time. No point in arguing with a wall.
His work on improving infrastructure and eliminating extreme poverty is also praiseworthy
although reform are looking 13% in the poll this will not enable them to win many first past the post seats. labour will win purely because SNP vote in Scotland has collapsed and labour will pick up seats.
I see Alistair Campbell avoids questions about Iraq and the never-ending mess he and his mate created all over the world. Revolting creature.
I'm from India and every word of what they both said is true. The best way to describe the Indian situation to an outsider would be that Modi is India's Erdogan. Make of that what you will.
Really your islamic khalifa Erdogan has bankrupted the turkey....
Meanwhile India is rising every day
Except Modi is actually secular and despite his Hindu nationalist talks have not made any state policy or action against any minority community till date despite all the propaganda
Erdogan on the other hand is an Islamist who routinely makes state policies targeting non-muslims, like bombing Kurds and promoting Islamist agenda in international politics.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 LMAO comparing that corrupt neo-ottoman Sultan with Modi who has zero corruption cases on him. BTW, Erdogan is loved by your own people.
*I'm from India you along with these 2 fools, are absolutely wrong on India and Modi's politics.
What is "owned" supposed to mean? Where does this poll provide evidence that Sunak doesn't consider inflation to be a very important issue?
4 & a half grand for a pair of shoes & there was me thinking when I spent £240 on a pair of boots, I was being profligate with money.
I find Modhi's "gamification" of politics very disturbing.
some of the same vibes as various other would-be dictators throughout history. Putin being probably the most recent.
Coz you are bound to believe bbc...your experts have less knowledge about geopolitics then a 15 yrs old kid in India...
Only knowledge they have is the BBC headlines
Then you've no idea about him, his rise and politics. You'll never understand him and India. As usual, typical Westerner living in his own delusional bubble.
@@RR-pc7yv indian nationalists are a dangerous breed, as are nationalists everywhere
@@RR-pc7yv Thanks for the racist generalisation.
I refer you to the Skinner box.
Q. Which Thunderbird character is Rory? "Parker"!
Without doubt with those glasses Campbell is "Brains"
However you feel about anything in politic. Come on you have to admit these guys are a great watch/listen. Really informative enjoyable relaxed and respectful.
There’s not enough discussion at the moment about Defence. That it did not receive a mention in MR Hunt’s budget was scandalous.
2.5% GNP!
I would just be happy having a real conservative party rather than the Conservative Socialist's we have been lumped with for the last 14 years.
The surprise that Khan is unpopular is a bit of a worry
Khan gets a lot of hate BECAUSE he's an extremely successful muslim politician in a high visibility position.
It would be if the Tories had a popular candidate, they don't, so Labour should be fine
Just because a policy is popular doesn't mean it's a vote winner.
Linking policies isn't a bad idea, but you have to link them positively. Investing in green renewable energy means lower bills meaning more money to spend for average people meaning an increase of spending by the public leading to growth in the economy. Nice easy link.
At around 13 minutes Rory indicated that the Tories will lean in further to the right. I think both Rory and the Tory party are both being too tactical. Maybe all those Tory PPE graduates should go back to their text books and re-establish/ renew what it means to be a Conservative, THEN develop policy that addresses economic issues through that lens. Even some centre right voters imo see the current position the tories are taking is a knee jerk reaction to the polls. Could they be the ones that eventually vote reclaim? Around 28 minutes Rory comes back to this point and Alistair imo shows he ‘gets it’, indicating the Tory tactical lurch would just legitimise Reform.
Alf Landon mentioned !!!
It’s taken me awhile to figure out who Kiastama is!
Don't you think Rory does a good Wallace (from W& Gromit) impression when you see him pondering an issue.
"there is absolutely no corruption in Gibraltar"....just about spat out my porridge there...I was on The Rock when he was elected on his ticket of cleaning up the rock from all "corruption"....so he's succeeded then...? LOL..!
The thing about losing is you have to compete, and as the Tories biggest threat, in their naivety, is the split vote threat of Reform. In fact, that's defection, indicating that they are their own worst enemy, when a binary view points towards Labour undoing what little they've done.
I love the disdain in Rory's voice every time he's forced to say 'Woke Culture'.
Great discussion, enlightening on our domestic political calculations.
And, broad based about India. No discussion of BJP or Modi is complete with mentioning the RSS, India's equivalent of a Nazi organisation. Most discussions fail to mention the RSS.
Without the RSS, also the Sangh Pariwar, the BJP, and Modi are nothing, they're literally meaningless.
@@anupamsatpathi2071 what are you taking about?
You're basing your argument on a single individual, that's childish.
There's a hundred years march towards radical Hinduism takeover of India, that involves preferences, just because one individual won over another doesn't mean the facts have changed.
Modi has spent his lifetime in the RSS, he was their man, and still is.
The links between the Sangh Pariwar, RSS, and the BJP go beyond individuals. Those links are bound by the single motive towards extremist Hinduism.
Oh yeah, this age old Congi-Left propaganda of RSS = N4z!s and other slanders 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
RSS was founded in 1925 when nobody knew who the hell is Austrian Painter and his National Socialists lol 😂😂😂
They're just socio-political organisation and have nothing to do with Hinduism as a religion.
to paraphrase Bill "its the housing market stupid" that is all that matters this time
On the question of putting up a shelf, which one would want to trust themselves to do it ? I wonder what was the reasoning behind thus question.
I watched a video earlier of a regretful brexiteer Gynaecologist, whose life and two children left him.
All I was thinking was, How on Earth would anyone want this man near any vaginas they are responsible for. Scary.
I think he was very upset that he had lost work, probably because no one wanted him to observe their uterus, i thought.
"Build the Shelf!" is such a British campaign slogan.
Not sure if you see these, but would either of you agree that the Brexit vote was the first vote impacted by social media & echo chambers that either side had their beliefs reinforced & the mainstream media were ill prepared for calmly discussing the debate but just put on team t-shirts. That had this type of podcast been available at the time the outcome could have been different?
😂😂 even further, right ? Nothing right wing about them 😂
Malta is independent and still very friendly and close to the UK. Whould it not work also for Gibraltar?
No, because Gibraltar is too small to be self supporting.
Gibraltar is little more than a larger village in a militarily advantageous location.
I’d better get it right ! Sadiq !!!
It wont make any odds the people have had enough of them they have to go
Love listening to people who are keen on the environment bat also "in france now" ans "in singapore last week" etc. Keep up the good work fellas.
Khan's unpopulairty might be largely attibuted to the Evening Standard which has bugger all real journalism to report on.
Many of our friends are floating voters but tend to lean towards the Conservatives. For them, the key issues are the state of the NHS, the appalling state of our roads, the failure to resolve the rail disputes and education failures. Immigration is an issue but not as important as the Tories seem to think.
Are you sure that people feel free to talk about immigration? It is quite taboo for fear of being labelled racist.
"Yes, everything has got a lot worse in the last 14 years, but I'm leaning towards the people who made things worse to make things better."
Rory is in a competition for the largest mug to drink coffee from on this podcast. Competing with Dad's jokes shorts.