Why Do Some Ethernet Switches Cost So Much? (Managed vs Unmanaged, PoE, etc)
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If you've ever gone to buy a network switch, you would see there are so many options at different price points. Obviously some switches have more ports and will cost more, but there are several other factors you might not know about. Such as whether the switch is managed or unmanaged, whether it has PoE, and if it has any ports that are faster than Gigabit, such as 10GbE.
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UniFi: Behold my $835 switch
Cisco: That's cute
Cisco IOS is where it's at though
- Or Arista, their "low-end" 1GbE 48 port switches are $12K
I work in the SMB..... Cisco is just ridiculous. Ubnt fits the bill for 99% of business
@@diavuno3835 agree bang for buck it is hard to go past Ubiquiti.
Lol $14000 USD
If you think $1000 for a switch is expensive, you’ve never worked in the enterprise.
Yeah that ubiquiti switch he has is usually used by people who made their own neighborhood ISPs lol he just has it probably because he can
@@iKingRPG funny mention that actually i was actually planning out build out a network for my neighborhood and that switch was one of the switches i was considering. sadly comcast (only broadband ISP in my area) sent me legal threats when they heard about my neighbor project. was actually attempting to do this so i can expand connection further out where broadband does not exist near me... going to be a bridge for me expand to next step and install some towers and push out a 5.8Ghz signal (because equipment cost is more affordable and with perfect LoS the speed is adequate) to nodes out there and sell it to those developers building new homes out in rural area where they cant even afford to get them to run internet...seriously. 300K-500K homes and currently looking at DSL cuz of phone lines being only source def being run... and would be easy to run wireless nodes up there but sadly comcast is so vile they would turn me inside out financially or terminate services if they lose a court battle ...
meehhhe Of You I don’t how you approached your potential ISP business plan. But it’s against TOS to resell your regular Comcast internet plan. But if you bought a strand of dark fiber of internet bandwidth, with a negotiated enterprise plan. You could operate a WISP.
@@Honeypot-x9s wait you were planning on running a business in secret, knowingly violating the TOS of your key vendor? frankly i'd hope your *clients* would have sued you when it all fell apart and they were left without service
spambot71 few problems with that statement. A I wouldn’t have sold my home internet to a 100 home developer I would have worked with an ISP other then Comcast even if it costed me more money to wirelessly sent internet up there. I would defiantly have tested sending my own connection first to see how viable wireless connection even be before fully committing however.
Second of all, I do run a Business with neighbors who hate Comcast so much that I know they wouldn’t sue me or touch me if Comcast came after me. Infact at-least two of them pay for my flight to evade prosecution because they hate Comcast and American justice system that much.
Finally, suing wouldn’t have fixed their problems if don’t have the money.. and irony is sending me to prison over any legal reasoning would be hella irony OC cuz they still won’t make a penny from me and end up spending 100s of thousand of dollars locking me and just profiting a system for 100s of thousand of tax payer dollars for a few years. A system that teaches criminals how to be better more cunning and successful criminals not system that actually reforms most people, including me. Been there done that and don’t care.
1:29 a unmanaged switch is a layer 2 device and therefore does not "route" any traffic, it just switches traffic... routing is layer 3
Yep +1
A switch won't route traffic, it will forward traffic typically based at layer 2 with mac addresses. A multilayer switch however will give you the ability to configure routing but afaik, I've never seen an unmanaged layer 3 switch haha impossible!
I think he meant routing like "moving" instead of network routing but still, this is pretty confusing if he would mention layer 3 switches later.
YESSS! THANK YOU!
@@FirstLast-to6nj Yup, technical term is a Forwarding Bridge.
I was going to write that haha!
I'd have to say, you did a good job explaining the differences in consumer grade switching. As a network Engineer at a Cisco partner, you even explained the enterprise grade side pretty well.
I will say one other cost factor is the ratio of ASIC to port. An ASIC is the chip on the board that does the actual traffic switching (kinda like north and south bridges on a motherboard) and usually you see multiple ports connected to a single ASIC. If a lot of traffic is going though a single ASIC it could cause a loss of throughput on those connected ports. So the high end the switch, typically the more ASICs in the switch and the lower that ratio. It's common to see ratios of 16/1, 12/1, 8/1, 6/1, 4/1, 2/1, or even 1/1 in high end Datacenter switching. obviously the better the ratio the more the switch costs.
I think you mixed something up here Trevor, the port to ASIC ration is not a thing in Enteprise switches.
For example, a Trident 2 based switch can handle 32 x 40Gbps ports at full line rate on every port, from a single ASIC.
Having multiple ASICs in a single switch actually means the interconnect between the 2+ ASICs can become a bottleneck.
So in fact, a single higher end ASIC is BETTER than multiple smaller/cheaper ones.
Many Nexus 9K Switches are based on these Broadcom Trident family of ASICs.
@@Casper042 not sure what you mean by saying ASIC rations is not a thing. it absolutely is a thing and even Cisco suggests considering configuring port-channels using ports on different ASICs to provide ASIC resiliency. considering switches with a greater number of ASICs affords you a redundant architecture.
You did bring up a good point that I didnt originally touch on, you said not all ASICs are the same. let's take cisco's latest line of ASICs for the Catalyst 9000 series switches sense I happen to have the datasheet open in front of me. Across the various switch families they have three flavors of the UADP 2.0 ASIC (mini, standard, and XL) and a new UADP 3.0 ASIC.
Looking at the CAT9K family, the access layer switches (9200, 9300, and 9400) use the UADP 2.0 mini, standard, and XL respectively, but one thing is common, switches that require higher line rates have more ASICs. standard gig switches use a single ASIC design while mgig switches use a 2 or 3 ASIC design. This idea is continued into their Core/Distribution line of switches (9500, and 9600) where the number of ASICs is again increased to 4 UADP 2.0 XL ASICS. To your point though in the 9500 high performance switches they switch out the 4x UADP 2.0XLs to 2x UADP 3.0 ASICs, but this is the only line where we see the engineers decide to go with faster ASICs vs more of the same ASIC.
Finally, saying the ASIC interconnect is a bottleneck is a bit misleading. Sure the fact that a UADP 2.0 mini has an interconnect speed of 80Gbps would limit say a core switch but not an access switch. A high performance core switch like the 9500 has an ASIC interconnect speed of 1.6Tbps, far from being a bottle neck. The difference ASICs are right-sized based on the role of the switch.
Those are the Cisco specific ASICs, so perhaps they do something different.
But Broadcom still makes the main switching ASIC 8n most of those 9Ks and far and away most of the other Switch Vendor hardware out there and has a monolithic ASIC design.
I work for a company that has a special 180 port 10G switch with 4 x 40G Uplinks and they had to use 2 Broadcom ASICs
We specifically published a note saying there is only a certain amount of East/West Bandwidth between the 2 ASICs.
Yeah pretty much
Because it can double your ethernet speed for free
Anka Mitikar you meant internet not ethernet
How so?
nanupelu it's a joke
@@dronemaster1348 it a joke
It doesnt double your ethernet speed.....they have better port density, they wont make your internet any faster than the speed you paid for....
1:01, true best cable mangement of all time👏
Love that it's all just sitting on a shelf in his closet and you see the shirts right below it.
Wallmount racks people, use them.
Really thought switch is expensive i really want one to play Pokemon
1:00 my parents wifi router be liek
I'll have you know my Nintendo Switch is *highly managed*
switch = network switch, light switch etc.
Switch = Nintendo Switch.
The uplink port is usually used in large infrastructures to connect to the backbone network.
So you have about 40 desktop computers in your lab, all connecting to the backbone which leads to the data center where the servers are.
But to use in small infrastructures to directly connect to an "important" or super fast device is also a good idea.
Then the uplink (e.g. towards the internet) is "only" 1 G.
IP phones like to use PoE.
Thanks -- Excellent presentation; good production values; very well done.
you are literally amazing i just watched one of you past videos and you helped me do something in thirty seconds that i have been trying to do for the last no lie 12 hrs
Great video. I build really large enterprise networks and would consider sending my customers to watch this. My biggest headache - ironically - is when point vendors (CCTV, Security, Etc) who only care about THEIR products install consumer/prosumer grade switches in environments that demand the features, support and SECURITY of a proper enterprise-grade switch.
Thanks ThioJoe. This was very helpful. I understand more after having watched your video than I ever did before. You did a great job explaining it and breaking it down for us so that it is easier to understand.
I think you need a larger switch there, Joe.
Stack! Stack! Stack!
This is the best video about switches I've watched in my journey to learn about switches and servers and access point plus security camaras. Will soon install all this and this video have been very helpful, thank you sir.
Here is some reasons as per video:
1. MANAGED VS UNMANAGED: most people need unmanaged switch
2. SPEED &PORTS: 2 10gb ports which gives real fast speed
3. POWER OVER ETHERNET: this way u don’t have run separate cable. Mostly every port can serve 500w which is really good.
I love sharing summaries like Started doing it on my channel with PDF summaries ✌️
Reason 1 why I bought a plug and play 1gbps switch (one of those little white D-Link one's) to bring Ethernet to my room
(I'm the only one with Ethernet my mom and sister who only use Wi-Fi are like hey why are your download an streaming speeds so fast. I'm sure the Cat 6 cable linking it to the main router helps lol)
Great overview, both here and in the wifi video.
Love your chill style of presentation. Too many youtubers are shouting into the camera like morons to get attention.
Very very helpful I work in networking for a major cable company in there are a lot of things I don't know I'm still new this helps
Actually , one of the major factors in price is determined on how many ASIC chips are in the switch.. Cheap switches share a single ASICs among all the ports on the switch. The expensive switches have one ASIC per port in order to calculate much more information that hits that single port, these are generally classified as enterprise grade ..
I may have missed it, but I didn’t hear you mention backplane (or bus fabric) throughput as a cost factor. A lot of lower end/consumer-grade switches backplanes/buses don’t actually support full port-count throughput. E.g. you might have 48 Gb ports, but the switch can only actually support 10 or 12 Gb of throughput at any given time (often even less).
This is something very good to know, thanks
Great video, useful to explain how network switches work.
Backplane speed also. Some switches have a very low speed back plane that can't support full duplex utilization on a quarter or the ports at one time.
a very well made video with all necessary description of switches made. 👍👍👍
I just picked up a Cisco 49XX series 48 port POE from ebay for $90 delivered. For all you ballers on a budget, used enterprise networking gear is a treasure trove.
It's not a good idea for a home, I have several 4948s as well, and they use a lot of power. It's a lot better to get something like a 3750g/x
@@greenvm they are power hogs, no doubt!
I prefer ProCurve as you can get free firmware updates unlike Cisco.
Cisco has this nice CX series switches - the same Catalysts only with passive cooling and less ports.
@@greenvm The power usage is not a big deal in the scheme if things.
Joe seems like a bit of overkill with the switch you got
Feeling a bit inadequate because his switch is bigger than yours? LMAO
Right? Has 7 used ports of 48.
@Tcll5850 Exactly! My switch is 18 ports which at the time was enough with some extra. Problem is years later i'm now suffering. If you're setting up cameras / access points or even a media server for a large house hold with several users, (like me!) having room to upgrade is well worth it.
After this video I know what type of switch ill be getting next. QoS with VLan sounds exactly like a feature I need! My biggest problem is people using CZcams or an online Streaming service for eg. Their video will download at max speeds several mins within 10 seconds. I need their videos to download at a speed more proportionate to the demand. If they are watching it in real time, downloading 20 mins every min or 20 mins every 5 mins, they can't see a difference at the rate they are watching. I certainly do thou when it spikes trying to play an online game.
@Tcll5850 Not really, lookin at his current use he could have just 24 port switch with plenty of spare(over half of port still unused), not like he is using those 10 SFP+ ports.
It's only overkill if you're not using the features or if they're unnecessary to your needs
A good and instructive video on ethernet switches. Thank you for sharing !
A really great place to get network switches is from ebay. The older (by enterprise standards) enterprise switches can be incredibly cheap while still being fully gigabit and managed. I have an HP Procurve 48 port, layer 3, managed switch and a 24 port, layer 2, manged switch (both are full gigabit on each port) and I didn't pay more than $50 each.
Excellent explanation !
Thank you very much
48 port switch, only using 6 O_o
@Ron Lewenberg That's not really needed, you can easily use adapters for some of those PoE devices.
It's better to have and not need it, than to need and not have it!
I have a NAS that has two 1 gigabit ports and it allows me to bind them to get 2gbps throughput.
Not as good as 10 but better than 1.
You can also get LAN cards for your PC that has dual ports to double your network speeds.
Just make sure your switch has lacp or etherchannel
I’ve noticed dual power is really good when doing service in the electrical grid. The network continued to work while ups is serviced, and when normal grid power is serviced.
Sfp slots for fiber or extra long cables is also great. think a subway station with exits each end that need WiFi and cameras, would use VLAN to separate customer data from cameras, door systems and staff WiFi. The desk phone in the ticket office has prioritized traffic and power.
If you have a lot of local traffic such as camera feeds that’s not going to uplink it’s great with backplane speed as well. How much data that being moved in total by the switch. for example ten people are editing the same video material.
You should have probably added that the managed switch which can have just webGUI and a managed switch that have webGUI and CLI via console.
Also the prices adds up if you want a L3 switch instead of a L2 switch.
Thats not really want uplink is for tho, mostly its to transfer the data from 1 switch to another switch if you have clients in different VLANs on 2 switches so you include the VLAN traffic from switch to switch.But you also can use the uplink port to a NAS or DAC connection.
This video is also very shallow overview of the switch prices in towards features,total ports.speeds of ports.
And a 1000 dollar switch is fairly cheap in the networking world.
And there are a few more POE requirements and versions like POE,POE+,UPOE atleast that I know of.
Yea, L3 seems very important and ramps up price. I guess you could use this for connecting servers, also some switches use stacking with high bandwith or dedicated cables, which means you don't just have 2 switches connected, with proper stacking software is seeing one switche that way.
very information and clear explanation.
Good explanation. I can see someone like me who likes the technology in the home, but not educated in ports and switches; could spend the higher price on routers that I don't really need.
As a Cisco CCNA student I love how you explain in such a simple way. Well done! :)
Good luck dude! I just finished mine in July
I picked up a Cisco CBS 350 switch to handle routing and 1Gbps stuff, along with PoE. Two of the uplinks connect to a Netgear 10G only managed switch for my 10G stuff (3 PCs, and a future Synology NAS.) Mounted in a network rack, these things are actually pretty quiet. For a small office, the Cisco CBS 250/350 line has some good features, but they do not support dynamic routing, at least not through the gui. But for an advanced home user, you get vlans, static routes, ACLs, QoS, LACP etc.
Well explaind, very usefull video .Thank's
Digital phones run PoE (power over Ethernet) as well as VoIP (Voice over Internet Protocol).
I now use Google Voice (for my little-used home phone) which is VOIP. It's free but the fax no longer works.
Great explanation. Thank you!
Well, I work in a large company as network engineer and we just bought a new data center switch for more than $100K. These prices are totally fine for regular customer. But regular customer probably woudn't manage their switch to the point where it's worth it.
I wonder what happens when you have a feature enabled on both your managed switch & router for instance qos. Will the router just override the switch or does it cause issues? Since I upgraded my router I've found I don't really need a managed switch since I don't use vlans.
So many worried about having 48 ports and only 6 connections, you would think it was a criminal offence. I liked you video.
How do you like Untangle? I've been using it at home and work for a few months now and other than some IPSec remote user issues causing UVM to crash at work I've been happy with it.
If you haven't made a video of it yet, it would be neat if you could take us on a tour of your computer and network setup so we can see how your setup is.
ThioJoe I like your content a lot, what kind of career path in IT would your channel or viewers go into with interest in your videos?
Excellent video. Thank you.
Why the hell would you need 48 ports in your home ? Moneybags thiojoe 😆
Multiple tvs, gaming and video equipment, printers and of course laptops and pcs plus whatever backup network equipment you might have. Better to have more than enough than not enough as time goes on.
I have 75 ports wired up between my house and shop. With servers that use LACP, AP's, security cameras, etc. ports get used quickly.
Just use wifi. Its cheaper
@@samuelevans5750 You're joking....right?
I do because i got a cisco 48 port poe switch for $25 on fb marketplace lol
Mother, when I'm older, I want to have enough disposable income to afford an $835 switch.
@Tcll5850 wow, you're really not that bright
@Tcll5850 you clearly don't understand disposable income.
Work for a large company in IT and this stuff will be easily available for free as the company upgrades and tosses their old ones.
Or buddy up to the Technical Sales people from HPE/Dell/Cisco/Arista/Juniper who service your large company. They sometimes have freebies too.
I run 2 x HPE 2530 PoE+ switches and 3 Aruba Access Points at home. All was leftovers from corporate upgrades.
And I won't even get into the 42U rack in the garage full of older lab servers and more switches. Working in IT this is a training tool for myself and will pay dividends over my career, so it's not really built on disposable income.
Have fun with your home network, I have a 48 Port L3 switch with 8 10Gbe SFP+ ports.
Alonzo Smith make a video showing it off pls
Purchased a L2, L3 switch based on your network equipment. IP cameras, NAS, etc
Hey man i have a question i need to upgrade my home network and I have the UniFi ecosystem but i have two AP the needs 48V and four AP that needs 24V so which POE switch you recommend please and thank you???
Thanks, great explanation.
*oh yeah, it's big brain time*
Very informative, but I have to wonder why you need a 48 port switch but only have 6 connections to it?
I have a 48 port switch, but only use about 16.
Sometimes a smaller one is out of stock, a promo or (in my case) it was only an extra $20 for the one with more ports.
Wish I was making as much money as you are with so little knowledge. Good for you man!
So you are correct about the 10 gigabits usually being an uplink but an uplink states that it's upstream from normal devices so either a router or another switch is an uplink maybe a server but most servers are not even on an up link an uplink would have to be upstream most of the time there are very few instances and they're usually just worded incorrectly that an uplink is used for other things but typically an uplink is upstream not downstream
Very clearly explained...
I have an iPhone 6 and do receive texts but no calls. I use my other phone a make a call to the iPhone 6 and no call comes in however it goes to voicemail after several rings. I’m able to leave a voice message. I checked the airplane and do not disturb buttons and also did a reset network.
Please help
Thank you
JD
Sender Policy Framework (SPF) is an email authentication method designed to detect forging sender addresses during the delivery of the email.
SPF, or Sun Protection Factor,is a measure of how well a sunscreen protects from UVB rays, the kind that cause sunburn and contribute to skin cancer.
The small form-factor pluggable (SFP) is a compact, hot-pluggable network interface module used for both telecommunication and data communications
The enhanced small form-factor pluggable transceiver (SFP+) brought speeds up to 10 Gbit/s and the SFP28 iteration is designed for speeds of 25 Gbit/s
thank you this was very intersting
In my country, 5 port Fast Ethernet Switch from tplink is still sell wel for about 4 - 5 dollars.. guess that because internet in my country still slow...
...and you'll only deliver any of the speeds provided your storage can deliver it.
You haven't heard of Cox. They throttle to exactly what they offer to non-business accounts. Last week I hung on to a health center WiFi and the speed was amazing.
If i connect my nintendo switch to a router does it count as a network switch?
Ebay ....Cisco 48 port managed switch 3750 P.O.E. with Free shipping $50.00 !!! SO cheap I bought two ! And I'm guessing that these two units have over 12 years of life in them.....each.
@Max Raider They do, But if you can store them somewhere. I have them off in a closet in the garage. So I don't really hear the one running. The second one is back-up and not running.
Lowkey thought the title said "Why Do Some Nintendo Switches cost $1000?"
Thanks for the video. Tip: Don't put electronics in a closet where you store clothes or any other fabric that is washed, there is a lot of moisture in these closets... you know the rest.
cool video tech talk joe
Also Within Managed L2 vs L3 features
All of this homelab content, but why don't we ever see a tour of thiojoe's homelab? lawl
U needa get a server rack for that switch. MKBHD got a nice one for his storinator if u need a reference.
Nice video, thx!
Great explanation
Thio isn't a tech review CZcamsr, he's a Tech CZcamsr 😁
Oh and in case anyone was wondering.
SFP means Small Form-factor Pluggable.
I kept waiting for thio to say "cisco"😆
and unmanaged switches "route" traffic :)
I didn't know all that about the switches, but those like myself would not need it, but the router is enough for my use.
Do Spanning Tree next
Price is one of the 4 Ps of marketing, because it says something about the product. People have the bias that higher prices mean more quality than cheaper competitors. You get what you pay for, right? Of course, more features mean higher prices as well.
Protip: Buy enterprise class switches that are a couple years old off ebay and get the best of both worlds - high quality parts and a reasonable price point.
If you know how to setup it up correctly
buys a 48 port, 500w poe switch... connects 6 things to it. typical poe load is 4-5w. 15w peak old standard, 30w new standard peak.
Maybe he has more things to plug later? I guess I would have gone 24 the most
For another $200 he will get the 48 ports with 750W, i would def go for that. C'mon only hundreds more. =D
With UniFi products, do the switches manage VLANs or does the USG/EdgeRouter do it?
The Unifi switches won't do Layer 3, if that's what you're asking. A separate router (USG would work) is necessary for inter-vlan communication.
So when you're using a GB network, it's only for the internal network, correct? Thanks.
depends on what speeds you pay for/get from your isp. if you pay for gigabit speeds then it would be not just lan. otherwise yeah
It depends, I get up to 2 gigs per second from my ISP. Using port aggregation I can actually take advantage of those speeds.
I need a [ 96ports 400Gbit/s 0.01ms lag ] switch, to be sure I double my skill at Fortnite this year. Thx Thio
Does TioJoe still troll people like old times? I cant figure out xD
Is a gigabit switch really necessary if my DSL service is only 25 Mbps downstream?
It won't help your Internet download speed. However, if you regularly transfer large files between your PC/devices on your LAN, it can speed things up assuming everything supports gigabit speeds.
Try an Extreme networks switch. It's really good.
One thing that you missed is the throughput performance of the switch. Cheap switch can not manage all 48 ports at 1Gbps at the same time.
Good thing he has that huge switch for all those things he has plugged in.
How is the security on these Vlans?
It is all in the firewall rules you put between the VLANS. By default traffic does not pass between VLANS.
Does your switch have enough ports for all the hangers below? I mean, your shirts could get out of bandwidth, very dangerous
My home network should theoretically have 1gig, but i forgot to build a phase-coupler for my powerline in so i only get a real transfer of around 50mbit to the router, in my room everything is 1gig
What about: Teaming, Bonding and switch clustering? missing some important details here!
Thank you 😊
Also layer 3 routing support is a big one
@ 01:29 Switch the traffic not Route :)
Didn't hear you reference SFP ports (fiber, GBIC's, etc.) when talking about options as related to SFP ports. Existence and number of SFP ports will cause the price to vary considerably!
Can someone please give examples of what devices you plug in to the network switch to justify using a network switch with multiple ports? Like, what kind of devices does someone like ThioJoe plug in to justify a 48 port switch? I'm just curious.
Just tried answering the poll, my internet is so slow that it's not even there. F
I need one of these. I think my juicer was hacked
1:00 my parents wifi router be liek
don't forget the backbone speed will also increase your price a lot
hows about cisco switch?