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Trinnov ST2 Pro Vs Sonarworks
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Matty Harris is a music producer, mixing and mastering engineer from Boston. As a young musician, he won several awards, most notably, the best drummer in New England. He toured with jazz, blues and calypso bands, playing bars and clubs at the young age of 14. After High School, he attended Berklee College of Music where he studied Music Production and Engineering. Learning from some of the most accomplished producers and engineers in the industry. Since then, he has worked on countless records with such artist as; Atlantic Records, RCA Records, WB Records, Kelly Clarkson, Sammy Adams, A$AP Rocky, Logic, Lil Yachty, Cam Meekins, Just Juice, Action Bronson, Danny Brown, Fat Joe, Styles P, La Coka Nostra, and many more. He worked on the Grammy Award-winning song “Stronger” by Kelly Clarkson and won the 2008 Boston Music Award for Best Hip-Hop/R&B Producer. He now lives in Los Angeles where he works with artists from all over the world helping them to realize their dreams.
Matty started his online mixing and mastering company, mixandmastermysong.com, with the vision of helping new artists get the same quality mixes and masters as the major label artists he works with. After realizing the advancements of technology, he knew it was time to launch his online mixing and mastering company when he no longer needed the effects of a “big room” studio to achieve high-end mixing and mastering.
When you see the hardware and software that makes Trinnov work you will understand the price. For anyone making a decent living from their craft
you will need Trinnov.
Sonarworks is EQ only yet the EQ seems to be much more broad and less precise than Trinnov. The measurement process also has drastically more room for error when your hand shakes a tiny bit. The results can change every time you re-measure. Sonarworks helps make a subtle improvement, yet Trinnov is the real deal. It’s like a Pontiac vs a Porsche.
So how does the Trinnov solve the switching studio monitors situation? Does the profile switch itself when you change monitors from Barefoot to Ns10s?
Evaluating Sonarworks now. I think it's helping a lot.
Thanks a lot! I guess I'll be purchasing one of these soon!
Hi Matty, thank you for this video. I've been looking into trinnov but the info is a bit fuzzy to me but everyone raves about it. Could you please describe a little about how your monitor flow is? How is your interface output connected to your Cranesong Monitor Controller and how the Trinnov is hooked up to all this before the speakers? Thanks you in advance, love your videos
It would be interesting to have taken the measurements while Sonarworks was on to hear and see what the results would be. Right now you are saying what Trinnov is doing vs. Sonarworks but what would the changes that Trinnov suggest be if it was referencing via Sonarworks. I know it's probably impossible to do due to the hardware aspect/ separate computer part of it... but yeah, i think that would make an interesting observation. In terms of all the other features, I think it's a very interesting system.
Thx for your post. I particularly like your approach. I am also a happy user of Trinnov for years. I have also my personal one at home to enjoy music and movies in my listening room. (3 B&W 800D3 and 3 Bricasti M28 Mono Bloc)
Hi Matty! Do you still like the ST2 Pro after using it some years?. Best/Mathias
Trinnov is far far ahead in the game. It's De-Tox for sound!
Hey bro! Curious what the dimensions of your room are. I'm building a room fairly soon and trying to find the ideal room dimensions for mixing. Cheers!
Great video, love your way how you share your personal experience!
Thanks! Exactly what I was looking for.
Maybe an step by step tutorial vid? ;-)
Hey big thx for the vid. This was exactly the vid I was looking for because I have kind of the same issues like you had with your room and sonsrworks. My only question is how do you connect it with your avocet? Do you still use the avocet dac?
is that a db meter in the back? the LED one? if so where did u get it? great video btw!
great video, but it would have been nice for you to show the sonar works graph compared to the Trinnov graph after correction. Your title says Trinnov vs Sonar works but that is not what the video really is. All you said is that its better than sonar works. That's not a comparison that's just an opinion.
Hi. Can you please Tell me how you connected this with you avocet? Do you still get the da from avocet?
Nice video Matty, finally a clear and honnest practical presentation of Trinnov products, which are really game changer indeed i believe. Could you show us how you did the measurement? Did you buy and use the Trinnov 3D microphone? Which process is the computer running to get all those informations?
Anyway thanks and keep making great content!
Thank you for sharing this insight - very helpful
Thanks for the video and info. Have you done a mix with it engaged & without it then compared the two? Man $4k is steep! Congrats on the new Trinnov!
I agree, ST2 is next level
Does the trinnov can load 2-3 presets simultaneously? Because some speakers have small sweetspot so wihen your head move an inch there will be difference
I think you can store up to 99 presets. Also you can combine 2-3 so that you can have a bigger soundstage.
Have you ever try load 3 or 4 presets(your current listening spot, more left,right&back from your spot) you’ve compute on trinnov?
i'm searching a little program like sonarworks but just with a little equalizer ... (always turn on with windows) an idea ?
IK Multimedia ARC 2.5 plugin,
if you want to run it systemwide, you'll need some standalone plugin host, such as Rogue Amoeba Hijack on MacOS
@@TazzSmk Or DDMF Virtual Audio Stream on Windows. This is for Windows system wide EXCEPT - unfortunately - for ASIO hosts where you need to load a different instance as a vst plugin. Reaper for example has Monitor FX which is a global setting, i.e. you load your room correction plugin there just once and for all. Yes IK Arc 2.5 is the cheapest alternative, though as far as I know is not linear phase.
Equalizer APO
@donepearce
You haven't said anything constructive or helpful
Was just about to buy an Anthem STR Pre-amp but this video has made me stop and think......
Hmmmm what speakers do master on? I don't see any good speakers??
+John Ewald well we all got speakers that work for us. :)
We had Trinnov MC in the studio , after spending 9.000 USA dollars , few months later we sold it , we didn’t really like it
DO you work with surround systems?...Because I don't believe it's ok to use that instead of the stereo one in a stereo monitoring situation, it could heavily mness up with your room phase
😝
Trinov st2… 😵💫
how can someone make a great mix using cheap soundcard and someone only cpomplains this music shit is insane
Why dont you have sub?
why? if you have full range monitors you do not need them
@@bluematrix5001 well with a sub, you can use the (your) chosen crossover to help with low end... even with full range speakers, as long as the full range are capable.
It's not easy, as PROPER implementation of a sub in a mix/mastering rig such as this is challenging.
Achieving deeper extension, higher dBSPL, with lower distortion ... is easy with the addition of a sub(s). But blending the sub's output into the L/R output it's very easy to do more harm than good because of phase and time alignment.
Sure, the additional 20hz to 40hz energy is great ... that's the easy part because the wavelengths are so long the phase relationship isn't an issue. Blending the sub with the mains in the time/phase domain thru the critical two octaves from 40hz-160hz, is vitally important.
Obviously it's more than just the kick drum, but when done right, "punch" is fully realized. The kick is experienced intact ... whereby the BOOM, SMACK, and CLICK, all arrive in proper time alignment. When the alignment is off, it's common to have a null sucking out the energy in that critical range.
Oftentimes, many go without a sub, thinking the bottom octaves are best left to the loudspeaker designer.
@@bluematrix5001 Does he have full range monitors??
@@TheeRocker a speaker that is full range and is a good one will alway be better than a speaker that is not full range that you are a subs...... people stop being spoiled, many great records where mixed in crappy NS-10 that they are so bad with low end!
I mean, fair, but if streaky can use sonarworks and be at the top of his game, maybe the problem isn't sonarworks? Maybe the problem is your room should be taken care of properly first? I'm noticing some strange acoustic and placement choices in your room. It may be wiser to design the room better, sort out your listening position percentages and physical measurements accurately before worrying about room correction. I just think its overkill. I think it should be said, that you can get amazing results with sonarworks and you don't need some expensive separate system. I personally have no problem with sonarworks once I've put the time and effort in to really do some basic math on my room and sort out my placement. I think the message to the public should be that you need to focus on those things first, and then either system is perfectly fine and usable.
Hah I'm sorry Streaky is using Trinnof he said that multiple times...
Streaky uses Trinnov ST2 pro, he does NOT use Sonarworks. I know we want to believe cheap options are the best, but they are just not
"Not very ex...cheap item to buy" LOL
Even its youtube, I wouldn't have minded to hear some examples.
yyyyyyyeah..............let's compare an email to a mailman.
Sonarworks is NOT room correction. It corrects speakers. You make many measurements specifically to average out room errors. If you want to correct your room, fix your room. Phase and time alignment are meaningless for phase, and fixed by moving your chair for time alignment.
Nothing can correct a room, because room problems are caused by modes, not unflatness in frequency.
Just watched further. Please don't try to make sense of a phase diagram until you have learned some acoustics. You have this so far wrong it isn't even funny.
Don. What’s funny is how serious you take yourself. Jeeeze!! I didn’t say I’m a acoustician. I’m a mixer. That’s why I had someone else design my room. However The limited space I had to work with still didn’t make the room flat or completely perfect. So I tried the trinnov to Tighten up some rough ends. We all know that you can’t correct modes with room EQ, but I have and continue to use trinnov because all my mixes translate very well to other systems and that’s all that matters to me and my clients.
So chill with the judgmental rant. If you have something positive to say, that me and my viewers could learn something from that would be great. If not why bother posting? To make yourself feel important? Me and many others do these videos for free to help people out. I’m showing people how I use trinnov and how it works for me. Maybe you should make some videos. Talk about phase diagrams. Help the culture and the next guys coming up. Instead of being a.....
@@mixedbymatty There is far too much misinformation on CZcams, and it comes from people like you - people who know nothing, but hold forth as if they are experts. Well, I do take it seriously because people are going to listen to this "knowledge" and so the garbage gets perpetuated. I like to put things right where I can. And that is what I have done.
So now you say you are not an acoustician? About time - now stop talking like you are one.
@@donepearce I've been making a very good living in the music business for 20 years. Worked on quite a few albums that went #1. Say what you want Don. It's all good by me. Hope you get a chance to make some videos soon and share some of the knowledge you have. I'll be the first to subscribe
@@donepearce I think this was very informative video from a pro mixer. True and honest opinion how the gear helps to do his best. Your negativity brought nothing to the table. Anyone can say "you do everything wrong" without supporting arguments. As said, it is better to keep those empty opinions to yourself. Anyways, I liked this video and will investigate more about Sonarworks while building my own studio (I don't do audio stuff for living).
@@Greenthum6 You understand nothing about room correction, specifically modes. Save your opinions for a time when you have sufficient education to give them value. What you write is just noise.
Thanks a lot for the video Matty, it really helped. ST2 arrived yesterday. My acoustician will be setting it up this week and validating with his own instrumentation to make sure everything is fine. Can hardly wait, have only heard superlatives re Trinnov. :)
How did it turn out?
@@kaare090 so good that he’s now too busy making records?