Brokenstar makes NO SENSE! (Warrior Cats)
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- čas přidán 10. 06. 2022
- Brokenstar was a rather easily understood villain in the first Warrior Cats book, but as the lore for the series developed, he slowly lost his place.
All art in the video is from the new Warrior Cats graphic novel, Exile From ShadowClan, illustrated by James L. Barry. - Zábava
Both Brokenstar and Tigerstar being deemed evil at birth was always a plotline that rubbed me in the wrong way. Especially when it makes you wonder why they were allowed to be leaders in the first place. What a shame this novella fell short.
What a terrible time for shadowclan, four straight up evil or incompetent leaders in a row: Brokenstar, Nightstar, Tigerstar, Blackstar
With ShadowClan, I guess it's basically the Slytherin of this series 😭
Also didn’t Tigerstar become evil because he was bitter after Pinestar left and took too much influence from Thistleclaw? The main reason Pinestar left is because StarClan told him his son was evil and had to be killed… talk about self fulfilling prophecy
@@dahannes6739 Nightstar wasn't incompetent, Starclan refused to give him 9 lives and he came down with illness, he wasn't even allowed to act as leader before he died.
@@dahannes6739 Blackstar is great!
While StarClan approving Brokenstar always bothered me, the clan not challenging him actually can be back up by the warrior code. Before the Broken Code arc, the Warrior Code states “The word of a leader, is the Warrior Code”. So to go against Brokenstar, they’d be going against what was the Warrior Code at the time. Still doesn’t excuse the horrible writing. Honestly, they could’ve done so much better with Nightpelt, Brokenstar and Yellowfang. I guess all and all, it was okay.
I think the main issue is the first arc books were never meant to continue originally past the 6th book until they realised what a cash cow it is. The first series is not very fleshed out and relies on lots of the retcons and newer books to fix it. For some reason we are getting a lot of books in the old forest atm. Id rather they focus on the lake territories and things that go ont here. Its much more interesting than retcons. OR if they MUST go back to the old forest, set a series of books between dawn of the clans and the first arc.
I wish we would move on to new clans or something. New culture, new characters, different outlook, new areas, etc. I loved Dawn of the Clan and the first book with Skyclan because it felt so new and fresh compared to the regular books. I want them to go the full way with it.
@@lucilucid Heck, it would be cool if they had a huge time jump!
Firestar is just legend or a tale that parents tell their kids about. Maybe they moved or the territories changed over many years, Thunderclan is now the weakest smallest clan and face threats of being driven out by the other clans. A kit that has flame colored fur is born and named Firekit. Greystripe, the oldest elder of the clans that has outlived many generations of cats stirs from the elders den after 10 years to see Firekit, his old best friend.
A ruler only stays in power as long as at least some of it's people approve of him. It doesn't matter what the rules say: at some point, if everyone actually completely disagreed with their leader's agenda, they will overthrow him.
Um actually defying a clan leader isn't against the warrior code if the leader orders their Clanmates to break the code.
Between Brokenstar and Tigerstar becoming leaders, I think StarClan just thinks it's really funny to watch Clans suffer under corrupt cats.
Ong
Omg yes
I think I understand what the story team was *trying* to do and the execution was really poor.
Parts of Brokenstar's rise to power and rule are actually very similar to actual fascistic dictatorships.
Demonizing a group based on perceived slights they committed, even if it was only part of the group? Yup. Raggedstar died fighting WindClan. Who killed him? Who knows. Why were they fighting WindClan at the time? Doesn't matter - all of WindClan is responsible. Not their leader. Not the participants in the fight. Not the warrior who killed Raggedstar. Every. One.
Also, removing the weakest members of society so focus can be placed on the strongest? In Nazi Germany food was rationed by your ethnicity, your age, your status in the Nazi party, and your status as a soldier. Making the elders fend for themselves so we can feed ourselves and be stronger? Why waste resources on the disabled when they can go to the warriors who can and will fight for our Clan?
Warriors are starving? Propaganda! It's the other Clans' fault! We are the largest Clan, we deserve their land! If we fight and make them give us hunting rights on their territory, then we will have more food. So first we must fight! Focus on the fight, your rewards will come later.
These are all very real methods used to manipulate constituents in a fascistic dictatorship and they all make sense.
Even the quiet protests of cats like Cinderfur and Runningnose were very real. If I speak out then I will face the Clan's wrath. If I speak out then who will heal and protect my sick and injured Classmates? It's better to be on the inside and reap the rewards. It's better to be on the inside, because maybe I can persuade them to slowly make changes for the good.
Clawface protecting Volepaw was very personal to me, because it reminded me of how my grandfather escaped Nazi Germany. One night an SS soldier came and knocked on my great-grandfather's door and said, "You're on my list for tonight. Leave before we start rounding people up." The soldier's father was business partners with my great-grandfather. He protected his family because he knew him personally. He still rounded up the rest of the people on his list that night. Clawface protected Volepaw because he cared about him and felt personally responsible for him. But then we see that he couldn't care less for Thornkit when he hurts him kidnapping him.
Now, where this book loses me is Nightpelt being portrayed as virtuous and horrified at Brokenstar's actions against WindClan. Again, if we look back at real world coups - the new leadership most often is no better than the old one. They just have better PR. They know what buttons not to push to keep their advisors and military on their side. And Nightpelt in the first series is SO GOOD at this. He keeps the elders who got him back in power happy. He tries to do the same with ThunderClan by offering to share WindClan territory, but Bluestar no-sells him. When he hears that Brokenstar is still around and a threat to his leadership he is eager to take him out. When he is ill in Rising Storm and losing control of his Clan, OF COURSE he welcomes these powerful warrior exiles! His Clan is sick and he has no heir (or a dying one, anyway). These new, powerful, healthy cats are his new way to keep control and keep the other Clans at bay.
But in both Yellowfang's Secret and Exile from ShadowClan we see *none* of that ambition or critical thinking. We never see any of Brokenstar's charisma or manipulation of his Clan.
Nightpelt just fell into his leadership role as the youngest and most outspoken elder kicked out of camp and Brokenstar is born evil and gets his position out of sheer nepotism.
This book had so much potential and it even did some stuff right (Warriors calling out internalized ableism?? Whaaaat...) but where it fell, it fell *hard*.
Apologies for the long read - I have... opinions..
Thank you for that comment, I was thinking it reminded me of something but I couldn't put my finger on it. This is a great analysis
Thank you for this comment!
Even in Into the Wild, Yellowfang said that Brokenstar was good at public speaking and "could convince you that a mouse is a rabbit" or something along these lines. But we never see it in her Super Edition, no great speech about WindClan. No convincing ShadowClan to do anything. Also, maybe if we got a better description of ShadowClan's struggles during Raggedstar's reign, a shortage of food perhaps, with Raggedstar not being able to cope with it, Foxheart most likely not even trying (I mean, can a mentor that is angry because a MEDICINE CAT she doesn't like gives her ILL apprentice a break from training be a good and objective deputy?) and Cloudpelt being around for too short, we could see why ShadowClan immediately turned to Brokenstar - because they were desperate and he swore to give them what they wanted, as it usually was with totalitarian regimes.
@@essaytime Yeah, in both Yellowfang's Secret and Exile from ShadowClan he just barks out orders and glares when he's questioned and no one does anything because, "Oh, he's our leader!" All of his charisma and manipulation is described secondhand and never shown.
Which is so weird because both Nightstar's and Tigerstar's charisma is shown directly in the first series and Fireheart even comments on how he felt so manipulated by both of them on separate occasions.
We see what must have worked for Brokenstar's enforcers, as they repeat it. ShadowClan is *so* prosperous under Brokenstar that they've outgrown their territory and need hunting rights on other Clans' territory! ShadowClan kits are *so strong* , it just makes sense for them to start training early! Apprentices died or are permanently injured in training? Clearly they aren't good examples of ShadowClan apprentices, they would have never made qualified warriors. The other Clans *fear* us, we *must* be the strongest most prosperous Clan! Clearly Brokenstar has strengthened us!
It's just really weird that we never see *Brokenstar* say these things. We never see anyone but his enforcers agree with him when they repeat his claims. He has no enthusiastic support from Clanmates anywhere but in Into the Wild.
Yellowfang's Secret really puts the quality drop of the series' writing on full display.
If I was a cat in shadowclan I would of just said that ever sense raggedstar was leader the territory hasn't expanded so there would be no way there is a lack of food so I wouldn't believe them.
I TOTALLY agree! Technically, Brokenstar was approved. And Yellowfang’s omen said he never should have been born? I have been waiting for this book for MONTHS! And now this getting kinda confusing.
EDIT-tysm, for all the likes!
It he shouldn't been Born why did starclan allow it?
@@orange6105 exactly
@@orange6105 it's the case with tigerstar, they can't control what cats do or who dies
Haha I like the book But I kinda agree
starclan cannot prevent a cat from being born. starclan can control SOME deaths, but not all. these evil cats were born because starclan couldnt prevent their birth.
“StarClan will not strip him of his nine lives”
StarClan did that to like 3 cats what 💀
Apparently StarClan can only take nine lives if the cat who is leader asks for it which is ridiculous!
Ikr?
@@Sheedystar_the_cat In Bluestar's Prophecy, Sunstar explains he only got 8 because Pinestar kept his last one.
Brokenstar only had 2 lives left at this point... couldn't Nightstar have just gotten 7? It's not because Blackfoot was officially his deputy, Tigerstar got his 9 lives after Brokenstar died and Runningnose chose him, even though Blackfoot was *there*. (Although that would have been a really good reason for why Scourge only had to kill him once, but not Firestar...)
It's also been over a decade since I read the first arc, did Nightstar know about Brokenstar's death in the 3rd book before getting sick in the 4th? Couldn't he have gone to claim his lives then?
@@SLTheOneAndAwesome19 I totally agree!
@@SLTheOneAndAwesome19 I think that by the time he knew he was to sick to go claim them (I remember that being mentioned somewhere)
i have a theory for the whole raggedstar thing:
he was probably lying to nightpelt about not being able to strip brokenstar's nine lives, because he was hoping that his son would get better since ragged was very attached to him.
it would be weird, but raggedstar wasn't a good leader nor a good/smart person in general, so it would make a little sense
I don’t think saving Volepaw was supposed to make Clawface redeemed - I think this book showed his progression from morally gray and maybe savable, to irredeemably evil. He goes from feeling awkward about Nightpelt’s banishment, checking on him when he was hurt, and saving Volepaw… to murdering Spottedleaf, viciously attacking and threatening Frostfur’s kits when they tried to escape him, and calling Nightpelt and his elders useless and saying they’d better watch what they say. I felt like this was the story of how Clawface became the irredeemable villain we know from TPB - the cruelty he showed to Frostfur’s kits and Nightpelt by the end of the story seemed to indicate he’d reached that level of evil.
I feel Like TPB was always biased against Clawface, being told from Firestars point of view and him being the one who killed (I wouldn't go quite as far to say murdered in the original books, seemed sort of incidental) Spottedleaf. I saw him as a bad person but not an irredeemable villain, is he really portrayed like that in this new book? If so I might give it a pass.
To be fair I don't remember him having any interactions with frostfur's kits other then stealing them in TPB but maybe he was that bad to them and I just don't remember.
@@Parasolhyena You can argue stealing the kits is cruelty enough. He took these innocent kittens away from their mother, family, and home, and had ThunderClan not been able to stop them, those kits were going to be raised into child Warriors and possibly not even survive. A lot of the cats Brokenstar apprenticed too young died; Mosspaw even died during training, something that should be harmless. So not only did Clawface kill a medicine cat who has no proper battle training so was unable to defend herself, he kidnapped four kittens knowing how young ShadowClan would apprentice them and how their fates would likely end up the same as Mosspaw’s and Badgerfang’s. So bringing them to Brokenstar’s ShadowClan AND murdering a defenseless healer in cold blood is pretty irredeemable.
(Plus, the murder was not incidental. It is stated Spottedleaf, even in the original books, was trying to guard the kits. Meaning she was intentionally attacked and killed to get her out of the way; his fur is found between her claws indicating a struggle and that Clawface kept going until she was dead. There’s a reason he was canonically in the Dark Forest. Even attacking an innocent cat to kidnap equally innocent kittens is awful.)
Yes! Back in Yellowfang's Secret, we see him close to Nightpaw when they were apprentices, it's nice to see the books show his progression from a well-intended if not always perfect cat to an irredeemable villain who doesn't hesitate to kill others. Honestly, it's just nice to have a villain who isn't treated as evil even as a kit, haha.
Definitely true
I genuinely only remember him cause he killed Spottedleaf
I know warriors would never actually do it, but starclan are as much of villains as any living cat and an arc or story that actually addresses that could be really interesting.
agreed i would love an arc to point out some of the flaws in how starclan works. Oh wait -flashback to the broken code-
Take my not even started fanfic draft, starclan ruined this family’s lives
@@darlingyuu8554 Lol
I feel if after A Starless Clan is finished and the warriors team decides to make a new arc surrounding StarClan, I think the best cat to first call out the negative sides of StarClan would be Cloudtail.
I was so confused too. I love Yellow fang and I was so sad when she died. I couldn't wait for Yellowfang's secret but now my brain is just melted.
MY GIRL YELLOW FANG DESERVED BETTER!!!
StarClan: “This cat should not have been born”
Also StarClan: **Gives Brokenstar nine lives anyway**
I’m convinced that the writer(s) of this book are part of the “headcanon” fans, but in a bad, inconsistent way in flanderizing characters in the favor of how they see them and how they want to see them, rather than how they really are. I’m not surprised that this book would end up like this after Leopardstar’s book, even though I’ve been wanting a backstory about Nightpelt for a long time just to know what he’s like.
Oof. Having read Blackstar's novella's recently it makes it painful. I was so happy to see an explanation as to why cats followed Brokenstar that made sense. He gave them an enemy. They were animated by hatred for Windclan and what he asked them to do seems acceptable to them as the path to revenge for their fallen leader. It was a good way to do it as it's actually an acurate representation of how dictatorship works. It made me want to see more of it. It made me regret that we didn't actually see Brokenstar leadership in the first arc.
i do like the idea that starclan can’t be the ones to approve a leader, they’ve just gotta give the lives. but it sucks that this is constantly contradicted. i miss when starclan wasn’t as… human? i guess? when they were just. a silent force
To be fair they've always been damning kits to be evil as punishments from the beginning, case in point, Tigerkit. They have always been a pretty flawed afterlife system meddling with the lives of there followers.
I'm convinced Starclan just simply hates Shadowclan
LMAOOO when you said "mustache cats" I CANT ITS SO FUNNY.
I CANNOT WITH THAT!!!
@@pugget_nugget3232 IKR! IM STILL LAUGHING AT THIS~~
@@sylvie3151 IK IK IK IK IK
I have to be honest, I like this turn in ShadowClan. Having a Clan thats entirely evil never really sat right with me (everyone's the hero of their own story, after all) when reading the first arc, and I think the idea that StarClan cant choose leaders is very first-arc in the spiritual sense. But mostly, I like how this change can further the idea in The Broken Code that the warrior code is inherently flawed. The rule that the leader's word is law has always been one that the fandom has seen as problematic, and in a world where breaking a rule like that can result in exile or worse, it makes sense that a leader coming in and breaking laws by abusing that one would cause confusion and a lack of confidence in their warriors. All it would take to make such an idea work is a couple of scenes where cats bring up how training kits and making every cat hunt for themself is against the warrior code (kits shall be apprenticed at six moons, elders and kits are to be fed first) and Brokenstar then reminds them how his word is now law, it could show him as a more fearsome villain as he is now manipulative on top of everything else. Theres a lot of room here for good storytelling, and the new manga could have instead followed the exiled cats in how being away from Brokenstar helps them get past his manipulations together and work to do the same for their Clanmates. The real issue is how this change isnt well-utilized and how the story doesnt give its characters a real chance at shining under this new angle to a story we already know.
Nightstar in manga:
“Peace is my priority!”
Nightstar in books:
“Yah so… Let’s destroy Windclan.”
*insert disappointed sigh*
I really wanted to see Russetfur in this novella. She didn’t appear in the Prophecy begins and I wanted to see more of her stance on Brokenstar why Blackstar chose her as deputy. I feel like she would’ve sided with Nightstar, as maybe Blackstar chose her as deputy bc she is more morally righteous then him and could help guide him, and they could both bring Shadowclan back together.
Completely unrelated to the video but I'm glad they gave brokenstar his iconic mustache lol
100% agree here, I don’t like the idea of having a clan be wholly evil but I really like the idea of having a clan who’s more so divided between morals, there could have been a much better story told here if they just allowed broken star to have a decent amount of supporters and then highlight the suffering of those who didn’t agree with his ways but had much less power to stop him because of said supporters, also yea the writers don’t have to backtrack and make a character morally grey so the fans of that character feel better, you don’t have to justify liking a character who’s an overall bad person, there’s plenty of villain characters I love who are very morally wrong but that doesn’t mean I endorse their actions, warriors team please just let your evil characters be evil and if you’re going to redeem them which is more than cool to me you don’t have to make them seem like their actions were any less evil to do so
well said and 100% agree
My personal headcanon is that Pinestar changed the way StarClan treated the Clans when he died. All the sucky decisions made by StarClan in the early books were before he died (he probably lived a long life as a kittypet). He has the motivation to make a change because StarClan kept telling him to kill his own son and there's no way he'd want something similar to happen to other living cats.
Also, it's pretty clear in the books that the reason StarClan didn't stop Brokenstar was to punish Yellowfang. Rather cruel, if I do say so myself.
Yellowfang stated in the first book that Shadowclan was feared for the good reasons, not the bad ones. It was never a thing that Shadowclan was an evil clan at that time.
If you look at the first series paints shadowclan in a much eviler light. They supported both Brokenstar and Tigerstar for gods sake. But I actually liked how Yellowfangs secret handled it . Brokenstar was scarily persuasive. He made things that every normal person would say is cruel seem like the right choice. He made the shadowclan cats believe that being a little cruel could do the clan as a whole some good. And the entire of shadowclan adopted his mentality. A. he persuasive B. he was supposedly accepted by starclan and C. he ended up using his fathers death to make all of shadowclan rally behind him even more. And, unlike the manga which I will admit does have huge problems, in Yellowfangs secret there were cats that argued but Brokenstar had enough cats following his cruel for the good of the clan idea that the arguments fell on deaf ears.
The manga screwed this up. They made Nightstar, a cat who also agreed with the sometimes bad things need to happen for the better of everyone (like windclan being gone) but to a lesser extreme, into a perfectly moral cat and cats like Bolder, who was a sweetheart to his own clanmates but judgemental of the other clans into a hudge jackass. And Brokenstar went from this clever persuasive leader to being pushy. He was never like this, not in Yellowfangs secret, not in into the wild.
So, yeah. Shadowclan was never 100% evil and I love that we are seeing their sweeter side, and it is always a treat to see more of Yellowfang beating up her son, but the manga was kinda sad.
@@elizabethwaterman7793 I only read the preview version of the Manga. I was not really invested in this story and completely forgot to buy the full version.
@@groudonvert7286 Thats fair. I think the only reason I enjoyed it is because Im a huge Yellowfang fan.
@@elizabethwaterman7793 Well I am a fan as well, but everything about her story was already said and done.
What also really got me about this graphic novel is the shadowclan we see is LITERALLY not the same shadowclan from arc 1. Every key feature about shadowclan pre-great journey (marshland territory, the 'wind chilling their hearts' or whatever, they eat frogs and lizards) is completely wrong in this book. Retconned. This idea that shadowclan always lived in pine forest drives me insane because everyone seems to think that (apparently now the actual story team too) and i cannot figure out why
It is noted after the great journey that while the other clans found perfect matches for their territories, shadowclan kind of had to settle with what was left. They point out that their original marshland home had *some* pine trees. But a pine forest is something completely different than open marsh
Not only that but throughout this entire book they dont eat any shadowclan prey. not a single frog or lizard or anything. In fact i would say the spend the entire book eating thunderclan prey
Some people might say all this is too nitpicky but all of these features are what MADE shadowclan shadowclan. The 'shadowclan' in this book is unrecognizable. The fact that the characters are being retconned into morally grey but well-meaning good boys at heart just adds on to this false image of what shadowclan WAS during that time
Just lovely to see you upload once again :D
Yess
You know, they wouldn't even need to make all the cats "evil" per se. They could re contextualize Arc 1 Shadowclan as being cult-like. Brokenstar and Tigerstar are basically cult leaders already so work with that and show Shadowclan as having a history of these leaders who take absolute control and twist around ideals of the clans into their own twisted version. It would explain the aggressiveness the whole clan shows as well as their willingness to commit and ignore atrocities like the kit killing. It would also provide an "out" for the evil Shadowclan trope without destroying the Arc 1 consistency. Simply reframe Shadowclan as coming out of this cult mentality after being forced to commingle with the other clans in the journey to find the lake. Also gives a way to "redeem" Blackstar in a sense rather than just have him be this wishy-washy bad guy-good guy character. Let him develop from a cat who was groomed by a cult leader into a cat who broke free from that conditioning and feels regret for his past actions.
One question why did the other clans attack the kits in battle couldn't they walk away and attack the full grown warriors
True.
Eh, I believe cannon answer is that battlelust takes over and all they can really do is tell friend from foe. Don't get me wrong though I agree with you.
right because in the books they take their time to describe how young and small they are. fireheart knew they were too young and just tossed them gently aside, i guess the others are fine with killing children
While I will admit, StarClan approving Brokenstar is a bit odd(my guess is that StarClan is a bunch of different opinions), and this day, the majority that wanted to give the deputy 9 lives no matter what won, as they were too obsessed with the code to instead step out of it a little when need be.
As for why ShadowClan doesn't do anything, I think that's a simple question. Cats were too scared to do anything, as they'd be inviting the whole clan against them. Also, Brokenstar used the fascist technique of saying that all of this was to make ShadowClan the best clan, something which has proven to work in real life to motivate people to listen to you.
And as for why ShadowClan didn;t see driving out WIndClan as bad, the saw the other clans as enemies, and this was only strengthened when Brokenstar said WindClan killed Raggedstar.
In the comic book, the kits running behind nightpelt were smiling and so happy to go into battle.
The Erins are desperate to make sure NONE of the Clans feel like they are never in the wrong. It’s so bizarre
There's a lot I wish would be explained about the nine lives system. Like, Rowanstar used how many of his lives before giving them all up? That just seems like lazy story writing so the writers could fit their precious Tigerheart into leadership before he got old because "look guys a good Tigerstar! Look at our good boy he's going to be a great leader! Take our word for it and don't think hard about his actions". Maybe it could be a first come first serve system and not a pure of heart system (could you imagine if it was "pure of heart only" and how many leaders we've read about wouldn't qualify for that?) so who knows what would have happened if Mudclaw went to the Moonpool to get his lives before Onewhisker did instead of planning a whole attack to get him out of the picture. Would he have become Mudstar just for being there first or would he have been told "ew no go home MudCLAW and bring OneSTAR here"?
But does first come first serve still apply to corpses? They really wanted to make Tigerheart Jesus, huh?
nightpelt is my little pog champ so i'm happy to see this graphic novel
that being said ur right and u should say it. As a skyclan cloudstar stan I find it really messed up that instead of punishing ANYONE involved in the exile, they punish the random pregnant woman in shadowclan generations later.
I think what should have happened was that skyclan's grief and resentment manifested in a dark period in the forest clan's history where cats in general were meaner and famine/natural disasters happened so often.
Finally a new video! I’m so happy when you post! I agree whit you,always
In yellowfangs secret the whole clan was like “Wowww what a great warrior” then let him make kits apprentices at 4 moons and then went begging for help even though they did it to themselves
I struggled so much for a comment idea, but this has to work.
Edit: hole up, that minecraft music in the background?
its really funny Moonkitty just uploads a video that includes Brokenstar and on the same day you uploaded a Video about him too😂
I understand why Shadowclan didn't totally reject Brokenstar. Brokenstar manipulated young cats into thinking that dying/getting injured in battle is the way of a "true" warrior and even a few adults. Brokenstar also favored battle training instead of hunting, so it's possible the rest of the Shadowclan cats that disagreed with his ways were too weak and too tired to take action. Or they were just scared. But Nightpelt/star's personality in Yellowfangs secret and Exiled from Shadowclan gives me whiplash (/sar).
They made brightflower seem chill after while she's canonically in the dark forest because she's angry at her kit's deaths?
Nope. They changed that on the official website. She's Starclan now.
Clawface was evil enough to end up in the dark forest I suppose
Welp, I didn't expect this lol
Brockenstar
emostar
BrOcKeNsTaR
@@pugget_nugget3232 brokenstar
Brokenstar is just
Questionable
Absolutely true
Somebody gotta make this a meme.
Akira you silly goose,mustache cats are the best drawings ever!
Well, shadowclan looked up to Brokenstar. He was strong and brave to them. But, with starclan, Raggedstar kept Brokenstar deputy the entirety of the time until he was dead. With Onewhisker, Tallstar changed him to deputy at the last second. Also making Onwhisker the proper leader. If they refused brokenstar at the moonstone, that would be breaking the warrior code. I'm pretty sure all I said was true.
I think, to an extent, StarClan can’t refuse to give a leader lives if there is no leader. Brokenstar was still alive and kicking when Nightstar attempted to get his lives- but when Raggedstar/Nightstar died, StarClan couldn’t refuse Brokenstar/Tigerstar their lives because that’s how it always was. Maybe in later arcs, StarClan can start refusing?
Agreed.
so good
I honestly always thought that Blackfoot change in his novel was not out of nowhere and his feelings described in here were in fact real. It just wouldn't work in the original books when bad things he done(like killing Rosetail) were off screen. And honestly I like how in the novel he feels sorry for Brokenstar when he was a kit. It;s implied that he wanted to believe in him. Also his extremally high agresvivness was explained logically by the fact that Windlclan was framed into killing previous leader. I think using "Brokenstar is a leader" excuse is in Blackstar character
I definitley feel like the writers fumbled shadowclans arc, the whole point was that they WERE brutal, and trusted their leader to do what needed to be done to be the strongest. And the growth from there with Blackstar and all always felt like the point was that after what happened they were trying to learn from history and be less “evil”. But shadowclan has always been known for morally grey and sharp characters
they def could have written in cats agreeing with broken star and instead explored WHY they agreed but noooo, that would be too deep
Tbh as a whole I feel writing wise Starclan has become the biggest plot hole. The writers have always waffled on them, and I kinda miss how they felt more mystical in the first arc- in the first arc the idea that Starclan might not step in made sense because they kind of had a distant guidance vibe- but considering how Starclan is written in arcs afterwards it’s hard to understand why they try to be cryptic when they really don’t… have to be… like you’re talking to ur dead brother and u think he won’t just tell you what’s up?
Aware of StarClan warning Yellowfang about Brokenstar as a kit, it didn’t really do much as he was only a kit then, no possibility that he’d become as strong as he is. But they don’t warn her about his leadership in the future? I’m sure she’s now familiar with how odd or unusual Brokentail is or how he’s acting with wanting the clan to be the strongest in the forest. Any warning signs of his administration could work but now that he’s leader StarClan can’t do anything when they could’ve done something before. No one would listen to Yellow, their medicine cat, but they would listen to their ancestors.
It feels werid that they all ways use the " he's our leader " excuse I mean Mudclaw Seem to be Willing to kill one star when tallstar decides that one whisker should have been leader instead And when yellowfang asked so shadow clan warriors to help they drive out broken star alot of cats volunteer Expect the ones who was on broken star side But Now Most of them where unsure ? It just feels very bad written
1:53 conspiracy theory: brokenstar WAS stripped off his nine lives. raggedstar just didn't like nightstar.
The way Brokenstar’s anime boy hair tuft clashes with his 1800s Cowboy sheriff mustache is really funny to me
I guess you could say that the plot and characters have been BROKEN STARS of warriors.
I don't ever comment, but I can't possibly explain how truly heartbroken I felt when you said that "the mustache cats" aren't amazing
Perhaps if Raggedstar was portrayed as being so deep in denial about what Brokenstar has done to both his clan and himself and his role in Brokenstar getting to the position to do it *he* won't strip Brokenstar of his lives and give Nightpelt lives. Still doesn't really explain why the rest of StarClan just didn't disregard Raggedstar and do the ceremony anyway unless Nightpelt never went back to the Moonstone in his lifetime, I guess.
is it fine I’m watching this even tho I didn’t read Yellowfang’s Secret? :/
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I love the mustache cats, I don’t know why xD
I always felt like Yellowfang’s secret should’ve been from Brokenstar’s Point of view.
So, what would happen if they didn't have 9 cats to give a life. Like somehow they were so nothing they couldn't get 9. Would the new leader get less lives like SunStar getting less lives and a "Welp, you should have gotten more cats to remember you before they died."
There have been cases of ancient leaders/ancient cats gifting leaders their lives. For instance- Leafstar with all the past leaders that drove SkyClan out
Another whole thing is that Starclan knew Tigerstar was evil the moment he was born. Watched him try to kill Bluestar, leave to Shadowclan, then Made him leader
When it comes to the actions of the characters themselves, how dictators come to power and how they maintain it whether or not they have broad public support is a widely studied phenomenon and I took too many poli sci courses in college not to turn this into a 15 page paper (with citations) if you don't shut me up in time, lol. But since at the time the other clans were mostly just plot devices and the writers didn't give them complex characterization, Brokenstar and first arc ShadowClan in general stand out awkwardly now that the series has moved further and further away from how the clans were originally written - even more so after the (ridiculous) Yellowfang's Secret excuse. I guess this could be an attempt to reconcile the vagaries of first arc ShadowClan with more modern releases that take place closer to the same time period (the two recent RiverClan ones come to mind but my catch-up game is weak so definitely don't quote me), but it sounds like they missed the mark somewhere. Shame, I was looking forward to this. Despite my little jab, the first arc will always be my favorite (I started Warriors when Into the Wild was just up on the New Releases shelf) and I was hoping to delve into the lore and come away happy like I did with Feathertail's manga. Sigh. The art is lovely, though (I actually think the beards are kinda cute, heh).
The Manga and Special Edition couldve been a really epic story about corruption festering in ShadowClan, making it stray further and further and further from their code with each generation. RaggedpeltStar was already an aggressive and harsh cat, all of Shadowclan's kits were raised to believe in absolute ShadowClan Supremacy, there was no reason at all to make Brokenkit be evil at birth ... Have him be raised and groomed to be the cruel cat he became. Make the fall of ShadowClan a slow procress that no one intended to stop until it was too late. "Evil by Nature" plots take away so much potential for good storytelling.
I didn’t know that it was new! I thought it was old, personally I like the new style of it but the old ones look better with the mustache thingy and things like that. What do you think though? I agree with you a lot of plot points are forgotten in Warriors. I only believe that unless the cat has no love in their heart, because TigerStar loved Sasha and still had a little love left, would be unable to become leader. Because everyone deserves a chance…
I just got this book, I actually loved it, made me love nightstar
the question of "why Starclan accepted Brokenstar and why/how all of his clan accepted him as a leader" i asked recently, as reading again "The Prophecies Begin" books.
And i totally agree with you!
Jeez! Claw face is… mustache broken star, and NICER claw face..?
Woah! I’m actually EARLY to a new video!
Woah! M u s t a c h e c a t s !
I can excuse Yellowfang's Secret. The story was a Brokenstar and Yellowfang origin story. It wasn't meant to focus on the time of Brokenstar's rule, it just so happened that the latter fourth of the book falls into that time period. Blackfoot is still evil. Nightpelt is still taking a bit of an aggressive stance, even if it's slightly impeded by his sickly state. Clawface is still evil. May of the cats willingly side with Raggedstar and Brokenstar, except Yellowfang and the elders and some of the queens, for obvious reasons.
This manga does none of that.
I agree with the writing team working their hardest not wanting villans like we use to have. and turning villans gray. Breezepelt was done dirty. now crowfeathers trial was good. but turning a hate-filled cat good in a blink is very confusing especially when that cat knowingly did what he did because he wanted to. instead of contradicting that and saying he just needed someone to belive in him.
Right!? I agree so much!!
I saw the thumbnail to this, then I ran to amazon.
Wow -
Brokenstar😍
"We can't choose leaders!"
*proceeds to not give Nightstar 9 lives but gives Tigerstar and Brokenstar theirs*
You did well as Nightpelt in Moonkittis newest video
Here’s a question for you Bright Guardian Akira: Would Sol go to the Dark Forest? Because he’s so intertwined with the Clans it seems he will, but who knows? Scourge obviously didn’t, yet he was intertwined with the Clans a lot, even making his own! So would Sol go to The Dark Forest?
I've always had this feeling that shadow clan was always evil. The clan is named shadow. Shadow is something that might be used for evil.
I'm real late to the party but I feel like making the ShadowClan characters only a few super evil ones and the rest morally gray or good is actually more realistic. It's what tends to happen in real dictatorships. Most people aren't pure good or evil. Often, a douchebag comes into power and has enough support that the people who are morally gray, and even some good people are too afraid to fight back. This is what happened with Brokenstar. Without ThunderClan, the morally good cats not supporting brokenstar and who had the courage to fight were way outnumbered by Brokenstar's cats.
I like to headcannon that just as how the living clans evolved, so had Starclan. Seeing that not participating in the lives of the living cats is hurting them, they began involving themselves more.
WE NEED MORE HEADCANNONS
This series; at least what i believe, is something that you should fill in the blanks for. You should create your own story. And not think too much!!! It's targeted for kids, we analyze it too much XD
Targetted for kids but written by adult professionals. That's not excuse for bad writing. Kids deserve good things and shouldn't be trated like idiots. However I agree that headcanons are needed
That's a great point of view mate, and one that we should always keep in mind. However the Fandom is filled with teenagers and young adults, who more or less, like to analyze and criticize. Personally, I like all the crazy nonsense that goes on with the series, it keeps me entertained knowing that anything can happen, and things that are supposed to make sense, are many times yeeted away just to make things more unpredictable.
I always figured Starclan let Brokenstar rule as he was theorized to be a punishment for the clans due to their treatment of Skyclan
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What is the song in the beginning? 0:11 to 1:50 ish
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JK of course, watching now
I guess the writing team was scared to write xenophoic characters
Also is kinda creepy how starclan didn't stop brokenstar, makes me think that they alow that evil cats become leaders so prophecies of good cats becoming heroes become true. If Brokenstar wasn't evil then thunderclan shouldn't have accepted Rusty in the clan 'cause they wont need more cats
The same with Tigerstar, starclan actually told Pinestar to kill his son 'cause he was evil and the writing team said that if Pinestar didn't leave the clan Tigerstar wouldn't be a bad cat. Starclan scared of Pinestar on purpose
And i could say the same with Mapleshade
AND also the writing team was scared to write a more brutal cat, maybe Brokenstar was so feared because of his strength but no only good cats can have unnatural strength... Im looking at you Lionblaze e.e
I really wish they would stop softening the cats. Clawface was absoltely despised and while it makes sense his brother would see him more favorably, it would've been a lot more interesting if nightpelt actually had to confront the fact his brother supported a monster, and in Blackstars case, actually forcing a reckoning, him not seeing what he did was wrong and trying to absolve himself since he was "just following orders like everyone else" and then later beginning to understand the damage he had done and how badly his deeds still effected others, and regretting it, even if it hadn't made a difference since tigerstar could just find someone else to do it, he still supported tigerstar.
What i find weird about these stories is they're actually ruining the redemption arcs, these cats didn't need to be redeemed they just needed the single bad tyrant out of their lives even though they helped them.
Leopardstar and Blackstar are 2 of my favorite leaders because i found them compelling.
Leopardstar turned her clan over to a tyrant and refused to act against him, and while she still held some respect for shadowclan (saying riverclan would fight if shadowclan did) and it always intrigued me thinking about how it got as far as it did and what it was like for the Proud Leopardstar to realize she was so wrong. Feathertails novel i think even played with the idea but leopardstars edition just didn't address it aside from how sorry she was.
And Blackstar, a cat who did so many terrible things became one of the most respected shadowclan leaders once he was given the chance of being leader, and he chose a new beginning for shadowclan.
Instead of being redeemed the cats were absolved.
Am I the only one that LOVES the mustache cats?
I agree with this!
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Am I allowed to buy Exile from ShadowClan after finishing the first series (Into the wild - The darkest hour)?
The warriors writers don’t care anymore
They stopped caring really quickly in the series.
Well, I think it’s weird how Blackfoot is an absolute jerk before he became leader… I mean, sure, he lived with the influence of Brokenstar and Tigerstar. But the books just change his character not completely, but enough to aggravate a reader that liked him before (I’m not one of them). But on the other hand, he was just following his leader’s word, which is following the warrior code. So I guess I can’t judge the books on that, but you get the idea.
Also, it’s not just character development. He really just LET Brokenstar kill kits right in front of him. He was practically HEARTLESS if he let that happen. If he could kill Stonefur, gosh darn it, why couldn’t he kill Brokenstar? It technically wouldn’t even be wrong because Brokenstar is an absolute gremlin.
Kinda why I am done with reading the warrior books. The series feels too messy for me and I just can't get into it anymore. I've kinda moved on to WIngs of Fire which I've been enjoying a lot more.
I feel like, if Akira rewrote the warriors books, they would be more interesting.
Honestly it seems as if They didn't know what to do they Just Made the Book just for the Sake of saying We Made a book. I mean Firestar was chosen by starclan To be the leader if Not why was he given so many prophecies? Honestly I think they didn't put that much effort.
Wow that’s a lot of info
It's so sad how much the authors try to force a certain opinion on you.
I’m guessing the reason no cat dared to defy Brokenstar was because they were too scared of him and his possible punishments
But he wouldn't be able to punish them if they all fought against him together.
I don’t know. Brokenstar’s a powerful cat
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he's just a little guy