Vibration Therapy for Osteoporosis (Episode 2 of 3) | Interview with Dr. Jason Conviser
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- Vibration Therapy for Osteoporosis | Interview with Dr. Jason Conviser
This is episode 2 of 3! First we interview Dr. Rubin from Marodyne, then Dr. Conviser from PowerPlate in episode 2 and finally my summary of the research in episode 3.
To unravel the intricacies and shed light on the best form of vibration therapy, Dr. Doug Lucas sat down with renowned expert Dr. Jason Conviser, a PHD Exercise Physiologist. Dr. Conviser runs a practice that uses whole body vibration in their program. Watch this video to learn more on improving your bone health and lifespan.
Watch and Enjoy! Dr. Doug Lucas Key Moments in this Episode
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00:00 Intro and summary
1:18 Dr. Conviser Background
2:57 How does whole body vibration work in your program?
6:25 Vibration Therapy Machines
11:32 Gravitational Force
13:09 What should people avoid?
14:25 Powerplate.com
16:45 Joint Replacement
18:45 Handbook Of Acceleration Training
24:43 Study Results
26:45 Vibration Plate Quality and Pricing
29:39 Final comments
30:44 Closing Summary
31:32 Bone Foundations Course Link
31:53 Health Span Nation Link
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I really appreciate your efforts to get the latest info on vibration plates to all your viewers! I was a bit disappointed that Dr. Conviser didn't use the opportunity to share research based facts. He started to sound more like a salesman, referring people to Powerplate's website. You asked him a very specific question (which is probably the one question many of us want an answer to) and he shied away from a direct answer. Too bad, but I know you are determined to get the answers, Dr. Doug, so I'll look forward to your next video.
Hi! Thank you for your feedback. Yes, checkout the next video, it will be an in depth overall summary.
@@Dr_DougLucasI attempted to find episode 3 of 3 and was unsuccessful. I am worn out, going from one video to another. 😔
Dr doug Wil you please do a video on several different manufacturers of vib. plates and how to determine the hz amount needed.
I suspect a person with OP of -2.5 would need a different setting for someone with OP of -4.5. Thanks!
Thank you so much! I have been following you for few months and I really appreciate the excellent, educational content in each of your videos. I appreciate the balanced and analytical perspective you present. Thank you and wishing you much success in the new year!
Thank you so much for your support, I am glad these videos have been helpful to you!
Amazing how many times one can mention the word 'study' or 'research' without presenting any result whatsoever.
Things can only get better in part 3.
Episode 3 will be a summary of the research, I hope that it is helpful to you!
Thank you for all your research and the clarity of your explanations. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Another great conversation regarding WBV. Its a topic that Ive been super interested in since recently hitting 44 years and obviously very concerned about my bone health in the (menopause) years ahead. Thank you Dr. Doug for having such indepth interviews with very knowledgable people on this topic. It is immensely interesting & helpful. Cant wait to watch part 3! Have the popcorn ready. 😊 Regards from sunny South Africa.
Thanks for sharing. Episode 3 coming soon. I paused release when I was given a new meta analysis to review so hold on tight!
This video was great! Thank you!
Thank you for watching!
Thank you for this interview. Really well conducted with a great guest. Love that the speaker was able to explain the effects on the muscles and the fact that the LOWER settings are the range to be used. That’s always been my concern with vibration machines and reliance on the user to regulate the machine. Clearly, vibration is a tool when used well, can help people on the health journey. I will be interested to follow up with his study references. Dr Rubin’s work was about how vibration affects the cells that influence bone change, while this guest’s work is about how to harness vibration for exercising well. I’ve learnt a lot about both aspects from qualified and experienced people. Thanks again for this coverage of the topic. Looking forward to Part 3.
Thank you for sharing this, glad this was helpful. The third episode will be live tomorrow!
Can’t wait for episode 3!
Yes! Thank you for watching
Great information for a subject that has a lot of questions and controversy. I am a power plate user and can now move forward with my bone building program in confidence.
So glad to hear that! Thank you for watching
@janettajek can you tell me if you have the power Plate Move or Personal Power Plate?
@@loripolich1253 I have the power plate move
@@loripolich1253 I have the power plate Move. It’s a comfortable good size and I can even move it. Must be about 100 pounds but very stable. Shop around, you will see they are often on sale.
Looking forward to
Episode 3.
Yes! It will be published next week now
Great. 👍
I’ve been trying to figure out what plate I should buy. Hasn’t been easy. I’m glad that you will review the research and share your findings. I purchased a cheaper plate on Amazon that I was told can work at 30 hertz but didn’t know how to verify the amplitude. And because the price is under $500 I wondered. I decided to return it. Episode 3 will help.
I’m thankful for the content of your CZcams channel, Facebook and what I’m learning in the online course. Thanks 🙏
1st week of february?? am very eager to hear your summary report!
@@Dr_DougLucas
@@Dr_DougLucas 1st week of february? am very eager to hear your summary report.
Another great video! This one was more useful to me than the first one. Power plate is still expensive and out of reach for most of use.
Glad it was helpful!
@@Dr_DougLucas about a year ago I purchased the lifepro wavermini . Still working great and Joel from lifepro is always available for advice etc. it is 23.7 inches long and I can move it about throughout my house. I also have a peloton and pro rebounder, x3 system and a rowing machine so it isn’t the only thing I use for physical activity. I find it great for balance exercises. It is a sad state they our nation does not offer a WellCare system that could make these things affordable to everyone. This business of being a for profit system is shameful. My brother recently went through a horrible experience due to negligence from the hospital he went to for horrific back pain. The emergency room sent him to a back surgeon who wanted to preform back surgery. The surgeon sent him to physical therapy for a few weeks. One night he was in so much pain he was biting a pencil laying on the floor. His wife took him to another emergency room that was not overwhelmed with patients. There they did ultrasound and other tests and found that he has 4 kidney stones the size of golf balls. He almost damaged his kidneys. I worked at SBU and managed the biomedical research department for over 34 years. When you think something doesn’t add up, ask questions and remember, it is OK to fire the doctor and get another. It is your health, take responsibility for it.
I am obsessed with my PowerPlate. I use it barefoot. 1 min on and 1 min off for 10ish minutes several days a week. Along with weight training and other resistance, can’t wait to see results on my next Dexa! Another great interview. Thank you, Dr. Doug!
Thats great!! Thank you for watching!
@sumGirls do you have the Personal or the Move power plate and if you have the Move do you ever use it on a higher setting than 35Hz??
@@loripolich1253 I have the personal one. I don’t go above 35hz. 😬
@@loripolich1253 I’m not sure if I got back to you! 🤦🏻♀️ I have the Personal Power Plate and I don’t go above 35Hz. 1 minute on/1 minute off and repeat. I love it! I can’t wait to see if it does anything. I have been using it at least 5 days a week, around 10 min a day.
I should have watched this interview before commenting, and using it for the first time since it was very informative to my concerns and my back wouldn’t be hurting right now because I need the chair
I am glad to hear that this was helpful!
Found part 2. 0ooo and part 3...yay Fascinating intro dr d...plus this expert is in my age range too...
MUCH APPRECIATE..XX
Ps..up a big mountain in Türkiye so no chance of a vibration machine..
Just found you and Ini.s shake a leg videos....
Glad this was helpful!
I like Dr Conviser’s observation that our bodies are MACHINES. 🙏
Yes! Thank you for sharing
I like his message
Yes! Thank you for watching
Helpful...still question whether Marodyne would have significant effect re:
Bone stem cell "differentiation" in an "elderly" person using it 20 minutes/day??? And if so...in what length of time...1 yr?...5 yrs?...10yrs?...time which MAY or MAY NOT be available???
What does NASA actually do to combat bone loss in
it's Astronauts???
I think I read NASA is using ARED ... advanced resistive exercise device
Hi! I have a full review video on Vibration Plate Therapy coming out on the 24th. Stay Tuned!
@@Dr_DougLucas what is the name of the video? Thanks
@@sheila7814 Hi! The video is called "Whole Body Vibration for Osteoporosis | CONTROVERSIAL CONCLUSION"
@@Dr_DougLucas Thank you! ;)
When is episode 3 coming out? Looking forward to finding out which one is better and the one to get!
Yes, it will be out on Monday!
Thanks for these informative videos. Could you do a video with Dr. Loren Fishman and his yoga poses for osteoporosis please?
Thank you for this recommendation, I will add this to our list!
Thank you for this informative video. When I discussed vibration therapy with my doc, he hadn't heard of it before. He said that any therapy must have clinical trials that show decreased fall and/or fracture rate, not just bone density/quality changes, due to that therapy. Would you say there is enough quality research showing reduced fall/fracture rates in order to recommend the expense of vibration therapy?
Doctors are funny. No study will be done on a large enough scale or for long enough to show reduced fracture rates. The event is too rare to see in a smaller study. I hear this often from doctors and subscribers. They want to wait for the large scale placebo controlled trial before buying. They will have to keep waiting while my patients and myself are vibrating away improving our bone density. We have to use the evidence we have. No one will fund a several hundred million dollar study of this scale. Not enough money to be made.
Doctors are funny. No study will be done on a large enough scale or for long enough to show reduced fracture rates. The event is too rare to see in a smaller study. I hear this often from doctors and subscribers. They want to wait for the large scale placebo controlled trial before buying. They will have to keep waiting while my patients and myself are vibrating away improving our bone density. We have to use the evidence we have. No one will fund a several hundred million dollar study of this scale. Not enough money to be made.
Thanks for this honest answer. I often find that when it comes to supplements, herbs, or any therapy that cannot be monetized sufficiently to justify costly clinical trials, doctors want the above mentioned studies, double blind placebo large scale. But when it comes to pharmaceuticals, promising small studies over a short period of time (while ignoring the data of those pesky side effects) are often enough for them to rx to their guinea pig patients. I just wish VT were a wee bit cheaper. I guess an alternative way to look at this is at best VT it can stave off further bone loss. No small feat. At worse it may be a waste of $$$ and a small waste of time. The same cannot be said of the best/worse case scenarios from pharmaceuticals.
Don't laugh! I use my vibration plate machine to help defeat my occasional constipation! I did that very thing, today! I very rarely have constipation issues, but the other day I ate some bad watermelon which gave me food poisoning. I threw up six times in a row while sitting on the throne until all the red bad watermelon came out, yuck. So the second day after that terrible experience, I had very bad constipation and this is my 100% guaranteed way to move my bowels: one. I have a setup board and I do 10 or more sit-ups to get movement going internally. And once or twice I'll get on my vibration plate machine, but I discovered a way to use it to specifically relieve my constipation. Here's the trick, staying with both feet close together with only half your foot feet on the vibration plate machine. So you are basically teetering on the edge of one side of the plate. I have my vibration plate machine set for an up and down motion. And let me tell you after 2-3 months two three minutes I'm going up and down up and down up and down, you'll be pooping soon! LOL
Thank you so much for sharing this. Never fun having irregular bowel movements so this is definitely interesting!
Watching dr D vidios have really given me some hope especially with the power plate can anyone many thanks Denise clark in the uk uk 😊
So glad you enjoyed this video! Thank you for watching!
Brilliant. Dr Doug. What happens if someone from another country,like the UK,would love to join your team .How do you manage blood test and other test. Do you have to travel to your country. Like to know how it works. Thanking you on your Amazing videos. You are a very clever Doctor!
Hi! At the moment we have two options for anyone who resides out of the U.S. We have Health Span Nation, Bone Foundations Course and our Free Bone Foundations Masterclass which occurs once a month. You can find links to all of these in the video description!
Thank you for this information. I have been using vibration on and off for a few years. I bought it for my osteoporosis. 65 years old female. This really helps with circulation and really increases my energy levels. My brain feels much clearer when using it daily for 15-20 minutes at level 30-35. I try to walk most days but have not done strength training or weight lifting. How much time per week do I need to do do strength training?
65 F myself with osteopenia. I’ve been strength training for the last 6 months. I work out 3 times a week but even once a week is said to be helpful. Have you had any success building bone mass since starting the vibration and walking?
Hi! Checkout the video on my channel called "New Study on Best Exercise for Osteoporosis Reversal!" This could be helpful for you!
Any chance you could look at rebounding? Thank you. I use both the plate and rebounder for osteoporosis. Thank you so much!
Checkout the video on my channel called "Bounce Your Way to Bone Health? Mini-Trampolines vs Agility Training for Osteoporosis.What's better?"
The LIV guys clearly don’t like higher G forces of the PowerPlate, which I just started using at my gym. (30hz, Low setting, knees always flexed ,60 seconds on 60 seconds off for a total of 15 minutes of vibrating using different positions/movements). I am wondering if one could hedge their bet a bit by standing on the platform using the foam pad (or perhaps 2 pads) which appears to attenuate the force?
Listen to the final conclusion. You’ll feel better about your PowerPlate. I do and I have one at home.
I have a rod in my femur after a fracture and a pin in my hip, but no plates and only one screw in the rod, would it be safe to use a vibration plate, the surgery was 2 years ago?
I highly advise speaking with your doctor first if you have any prior injuries.
Helpful discussion. I’m 70, with osteoporosis, poor lymphatic drainage in legs, poor balance. No chronic meds. My finance is limited. I selected a lifepro mini. 1G, max 12hz, max 6mm. Using lowest setting the last 4 days, standing, sitting with feet on it, lying down with calves on it. I’m noticing a slight improvement in moving around, with a little less pain. I’m wondering if insurances cover any of these machines, so i could get a better one?
Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan
Hello, Will episode 3 be posted soon?
Yes! We are planning to post the third episode as soon as possible.
Has Episode 3 been released? It was supposed to have been on the 24th.
Hi! We apologize, part of the video had an editing error. We will have it published as soon as possible!
I purchased the plate after watching your video yesterday, and used it for the first time before watching this video, I truly believe I can use it but my fear is that I have a laminectomy and spinal infusion in my lower back L2 and L4 along with a t score of-4.00 spine on my most recent test 2024, I am not on any medication yet also due to watching a video interview you did about prolia at a young age 62, triggering me to seek a specialist Dr Rubin in chapel hill nc who I also was blessed to find the same way I found you, so with that being said, is this a safe option for me? I hope I am lucky enough to get a response 😊I have a small return window 😂
Hi there! Which device did you buy? Ultimately, you’ll have to ask your surgeon. The Marodyne device is much more subtle than the PowerPlate device and delivers less force than walking. You’ll have to run it by your surgeon and likely educate him on the features of the device.
Has anyone been able to find where to purchase the handbook?
I do not believe it is available for purchase yet. There will be more information in the Third Episode
I’m very new to this channel. I appreciate this video and all your content. Do you have a video about creatine monohydrate as it refers to osteoporosis? Thank you for your work. 😊😊😊
Hi! I do not yet but I will add that to my list. Thank you for being here!
Thank you for the interview. However I still didn’t hear an answer to your question as to the effects of using the plate on bone density.
Hi! Tune into the third episode that will be released tomorrow. I will be doing a full review on all of the research collected thus far.
I cannot seem to find Any clear research regarding vibration plate after cataract surgery..any help here?
Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan
I'm a lic. P.t. that travels... how heavy is the power plate? Is it transportable?
Good question. I have a PowerPlate Move on the way to my house but I don’t have it yet. I bet the weight is listed on their website.
@Dr_douglucas do you know if the Personal PowerPlate or the PowerPlate Move is the best model? Are there benefits to having higher than 35Hz for building bone or other benefits? Thanks you for any insight you have on which is the better choice.
I’m 81 and need something that I can use for exercise, as I’m not able to walk very well, but I’m having trouble with retaining fluid in my legs and feet. I’ve just ordered a small unit to use setting and possibly standing. I’m retired and can’t afford a more expensive unit. I understand the idea you get what you pay for but we seniors have very limited income.
Hi! We have a few other videos on our channel about exercise. I also recommend attending our free Bone Foundations Masterclass if you have not been to one before. You can learn more at the following link --> www.optimalhumanhealth.com/build-bone
I can't find Episode 3 of 3. Has it been posted as of Feb 25, 2024?
Hi! Yes, the title is "Whole Body Vibration for Osteoporosis | CONTROVERSIAL CONCLUSION"
Maybe it's just me, but I get lost with so much medical talk of studies and research. Power Plate is expensive. Would you be able to do a comparison with different machines based on price and performance?
Hi! Yes, thank you for this recommendation!
oops sorry I didn't mean to post twice. We just had a power outage so I thought what I'd written didn't post. Please disregard below post as it's a repeat.
No problem!
Where is the link to his book?
Hi! The name of the book is "Handbook of Acceleration Training: Science, Principles, and Benefits"
I am not finding it at Amazon or other book sites.@@Dr_DougLucas
👍😊
Thank you for watching!
Why was everyone showed on examples using whole body vibration 30ish looking. Dr said he worked with older population? I believe in this therapy but females all were very young.Why not show older population he works with?
Hi! These are mainly just examples used for the product itself to be shown it is tough to find the perfect clips with our ideal age range sometimes.
Maybe done with seniors next time..that would make it more balanced. Of course never a perfect video..just more Balanced
When one expert disagrees with another by saying he can't reproduce the results (8:48 he talks about lower amplitude and ownership bias, hint hint, Dr. Rubin and Marodyne), what results does he mean? Does he have clinical trials showing that the lower amplitude machines like the Marodyne, were not sufficient to stimulate bone density/ quality? This study: Effectiveness of whole-body vibration on bone mineral density in postmenopausal women: a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials states "At this time, considering the high quality of evidence, it is possible to recommend WBV using high frequency (≈ 30 Hz), low magnitude (≈ 0.3 g), and high cumulative dose (≈ 7000 min) to improve lumbar spine aBMD in postmenopausal women. Other parameters, although promising, need to be better investigated, considering, when applicable, the safety of the participants, especially in vibrations with higher magnitudes (≥ 1 g)". I'm not a medical person, but doesn't this seem to be saying that the Marodyne with its lower amplitude is currently the only one they can recommend? Higher amplitudes await further testing? I didn't see Dr. Rubin's name anywhere on the study and under Ethics none are stated. Looking forward to your summary video.
You’ll love it. I spend a lot of time reviewing that paper. Here’s the short. In the meta analysis they group the low and high displacement devices separately. They seem to conclude that the Marodyne device is the only one to recommend but if you dig deep there are only two papers that meet their criteria. One is Rubin’s and the other doesn’t report on hip and spine. That recommendation seems to only be coming from Rubin’s paper. Seems fishy to me. There is an abundance of literature supporting the higher amplitude devices for hip and spine BMD.
How do these machine effect lens replacement IOL in EYES???????
When in doubt DONT !!!
Hi! I review this topic in detail on the final episode of the Vibration plate series which will be public on the 24th!
I bought a vibration plate 4 months ago. Yes, it was one of the AFFORDABLE ones. This video information is very educational.... so since I have an affordable plate... should I no longer use it? I'm 72 and a couch potato.... I was hoping I was helping myself... but your guests think if I am unable to afford one of the thousand dollar + units.... use nothing at all.... RICH people need to walk in the REAL WORLD shoe's...
So...do I throw my vibration plate in the closet.... how can I find out if it's helping or hurting me.
I doubt seriously you are going to get a helpful response.
Both of these guys know that there are very affordable safe vibration plates and they pretend and dance around the other products..unforgivable..This post is like a hour long sales pitch...confusioning everyone with words, words, words..
@@lindakautzman7388 Thank you for your authentic response. Since you watched the video, do you know of a good plate?
Hi Barbara,
I appreciate @lindakautzman7388s response but strongly disagree. First off, I’m not selling anything. There are words, words, words because it’s an interview. Hard to do without them. My approach here is to give each side the opportunity to discuss their products and chose the best companies to do so. I stand behind the work of professional products like PowerPlate and support their use. There are numerous alternatives on the market but as Jason says you run the risk of getting what you pay for. Inconsistent results and possibly increasing forces which may be harmful. You just don’t know. So, I stick with the brand leaders. And Barbara, I started my career making about $10,000 per year. I know what the real world looks like and what it’s like to live without much. I sympathize with fixed budgets and limited income. That’s why we offer our Bone Foundations course for free and our HSN for $15/month. We are serving the community as best we can in a non subsidized practice.
I purchased a Rumblex on Amazon for $350 ish that claims Oscillation at level 15 delivers 30 HZ. Should I discontinue using it?
@@victoriamyers1968 Keep using it. I'm using mine. There are other youtube videos that are helpful.... find them. I use mine for 10 minutes daily... I move around on it to avoid "shaking" my brain. I feel much better using it than not. So keep moving forward and don't let the egg heads scare you!
So… you gotta spend thousands if you want a plate that is safe. That’s what I’m hearing.
I have a new video coming out that summarizes all of the research. This will be public on the 24th!
have you noted the Hypervibe? it's not cheap.., but less than the others @$1.5K; appears to have credible studies as well. @@Dr_DougLucas
eagerly waiting! thanks! @@Dr_DougLucas
How can a person on a fixed income afford a Power Plate. Is there a more affordable machine for low income people?
Great question! Checkout our health span nation if you have not yet, you get exclusive access to me and a community of people pursuing health and longevity. These are things that we discuss in there and it allows us to go into detail rather than doing short chats through this platform. You can find more information here --> www.drdouglucas.com/healthspan
Should Dr. Conviser have stated some disclaimers? It sounds like he has bias.
He is not paid by Powerplate and is only demonstrating the preferences. I don't think this is scientific bias. Just opinion.
Your first speaker is so sloppy in his words and thus in is thinking that I can only look and see iwhat he is emphasizing of what I already know. He is NOT to be believed. SMH
He says things that I am certain/know are wrong. 1, 2,
He mentions he has nor seen result from lower speed vibration, above 35Hz. at 1 to 2mm.
The rocker/teeter-totter machines have some very good studies.
His clients like triplanar. He demos it as rotation (on z axis, y axis, x axis) saying leftright, frontback, updown.
(These dont have"G's. They have wiggles. I dont know how he measures G's. But he says he doesn't know what the G's mean. Then picks a number that none of the machines he is talking about have. (red herring).
The host already said in part one then her is asking about something they dont know.
This speaker does not have the patients on directly after joint replacement while in part 1 you say that is the really important time to use them.
I am half way through and done with this video.
Hi! Checkout the summary video on my channel called "Whole Body Vibration for Osteoporosis | CONTROVERSIAL CONCLUSION"