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OLDER LAW STUDENT// Whatâs it like to be a non-traditional law student? Have you been curious about applying to law school later in life? Maybe starting law school at 30? It can be daunting to be a law school mom, deciding to go to law school for non-traditional legal careers, or going to law school later in life. But if youâve ever thought âIâm too old for law schoolâ (perhaps youâre starting law school at 40), then you need to watch this weekâs video.
Weâre talking all about starting law school in your 30s, applying to law school at an older age, and even working full time and law school part time.
Ready? Letâs do this!
Angela
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â@@dr.suezettealoysiaandcarla1664 I'm so happy that the video resonated with you! It's been one I've been meaning to make for a long time! Are you in the non-traditional law student boat? :)
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Hi Angela, I'm African, went to law school and graduated back in 2004. Im 48 now living in USA but can't use my degree to be a lawyer here, so I need to start over. French was my first language. How can I manage to become a corporate lawyer?
@@abdoulaye1696 Good question! I don't specialize in this area, but reach out to @talithakrenk on Instagram. She coaches international students and foreign-trained lawyers looking to practice law in the U.S.
LOL! Iâm applying this fall and Iâm 71
That's amazing!!! They're going to be so lucky to have you. :)
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I entered law school at 31 after serving in military as an enlisted soldier. Got a job at biglaw at 34 when graduated. I was first in class at 3rd tier law school in California. Reason did so well because I was older. Was a huge advantage at law firm as well. Younger new associates were so naive. I communicated well with partners and their clients. Got llm in tax at NYU at 40. Got a federal clerkship at tax Court and then again recruited by biglaw. Bottom line is do well in school and be able to communicate and be likeable. Those are huge traits for a successful practice. Now fully retired this year at 55. Kick ass people.lawyers at 24 are too green and no drive.
This +1
I'm leaving the military as well and I'm 27 just now entering undergrad.I'm glad I'm not the only one.I was active duty trying to do part time school and my schedule was crazy.I also had to move around a lot.
You are retiring at 55!
I am thinking of going to law school and I am 63-retired pharmacist. Ha ha ha!!
@@nikkion2140 being a lifelong student will keep you young. So many people are putting themselves out to pasture at your age, when they should be preparing for at least another full act in their lives.
This is an amazing example of determination. I retire from the militrary in 4 years. I intend to go to law school at the age of 38 and upon graduation hopefully come back in as a JAG.
I'm starting my PhD Physics this Fall. I'm 60. It's nobody's fucking business how old you are. Can you do the work? That's all that matters.
You know youâre not the typical student when the drop-down box doesnât go back far enough to your birth year. Ha! Entering next year at 46/47 YO.
As for me I had a traumatic experience at age 17 ( losing my mother to pancreatic cancer) and I was sexually abused by a close friend of my parents that I trusted shortly after. I became severely depressed and even though accepted to university I was too sick for the the golden opportunity to study . Now much later at age 42 I finally have the opportunity again and entered law school recently
So happy for your second chance! Hope all is going well! I had a traumatic experience too that kept me from going to law school. It was when I was taking a paralegal course in my early 20s. I was so excited about law and told my mom "I'm going to be a lawyer." Her reply was "you can't do that. Lawyers are liars" and those words squashed my dream. I released it as an impossibility for a young Christian who didn't want a profession that required dishonesty. I was young and green with much to be discovered about human nature and character but at that time I allowed my mother's limited experience with lawyers cloud my judgement and vision for my own life. That trauma made me forget even having the conversation with my mother until 10 years later, post bachelors and post masters in Education, I still had a persistent voice on the inside saying there is something more to pursue. When in a conversation with a lawyer the very words mentioned "Juris Doctorate" set off fireworks inside, a eureka of "that's it!" In my naivety I called my mother and told her "I'm going to be a lawyer." But, this time she replied "you'd make a good one!" It wasn't until I told another sister that she reminded me of the conversation I had with my mother 10 years earlier. What changed? She saw my skills of advocacy at work on her behalf and was convinced it was my calling. Although I have intended to "one day" I have still not fulfilled this dream but I know now the time has come to take the leap. I spent this past year taking courses with UNITAR and spent a week in The Hague visiting the ICJ, ICC and other organs of the UN and I met an ICC judge who explained to me the reason why I forgot the first time I had the dream to pursue law - trauma. Obtaining my JD and the work that lies ahead will be my final triumph over trauma. I'm so proud of you!đ
Blessings! I hope your 1L was good!
Itâs sucks dealing with the immature kids in class. I retired from the Army before 1L at 41
I was 31 when I started law school and 34 when I finished. I had been a practicing accountant prior to law school. I went to law school as an academic pursuit and I had no desire to practice law and sacrifice my life on the altar of partnership track billable hours. Instead, I was blessed to get a job as a college professor teaching tax and business law, and getting a JD gave me instant credibility in academia. And last year, at age 57, I was blessed to get an LL.M. in tax. So for me, law school put me on the career path I enjoy to this day. That's my $0.03.
I love this!!
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I started my degree young, like most students. Over the years, I met a number of 30+ year-old students - most of whom were married with kids. As someone who spent most of high school and undergrad hanging out with the 'older' pupils / students, I naturally drifted towards these 30+ students - and I was far better-off for it.
While many of my younger counterparts often dismissed these older students as 'cynical', I really enjoyed learning about their perspectives on entering the legal services industry. Unlike said younger students, the 30+ students were usually far-more practical, market-oriented and driven. I appreciate those qualities, so being around them has definitely helped me to broaden my outlook.
Unlike (some) other degrees, where the academics or lecturers are often around that 30-40 age range, most of our lecturers were in the 45+ bracket - and I think that helped our older students to feel less out of place. Where there were 'younger' lecturers however, I did sometimes notice a bit of tension - but only where said lecturers were perhaps approaching the students as if they were in their early 20âs. The latter instances were obviously unnecessary, and I honestly felt a bit unimpressed with how those lecturers handled themselves.
Just started part time law school at 39! 14 years in law enforcement. Never to old and never too late!
Congratulations!!! That's amazing. I know this is going to resonate for sooo many people. đ
As a non-traditional student who has asked these questions, I greatly appreciate this video. I will definitely be connecting with the lawyers provided in the video. Thank you, Angela!
I'm so glad to hear it, Tom! It's amazing how strong the non-traditional lawyering community is! People are so willing to help each other out :)
I am in my 2nd year as a non-traditional law student and to be honest it has been a struggle. Really appreciated all the advice that you were able to share from the lawyers who had reacher out. Thank you!
Hi Tim! I'm so glad the video was helpful! I know the first two years are a beast, and I can't imagine doing them while ALSO committing your time to something else so absolutely acknowledge yourself for doing something crazy hard and take it in small steps forward. đ
I'm 39, with 18 years in aerospace and 3 in IT. Until May I had never considered doing this. That changed when I found myself pursuing legal action against an employer for disability discrimination. After spending over 200 hours educating myself for fear of not being able to afford an attorney it dawned on me. I am extremely interested in this and have been helping people get their inquiries filed and evidence organized using my limited knowledge while they try to secure representation.
Once my case has concluded I may find myself going through an apprenticeship program if I am successful.
Which apprenticeship program?
Please share
Thank you for shedding some light and sharing some guidance on the non traditional student journey. It sometimes feels very lonely when youâre researching and looking into this as a possible path to take. You know youâre not the only person in the world who is starting law school later in life but no one really talks about this. Anyway, thank you again! đ
My pleasure! The truth is that I had a TON of nontraditional students reaching out to me about the experience, which just goes to show it's a much bigger community than most of think! I actually have quite a few nontraditional students supporting each other and answering questions in the free FB group I host, would you like the link to join?
I am currently a 2L enrolled in an evening program at a law school in LA, which means I work a day job and attend classes three days a week after work. As an immigrant from China, English is not my primary language, making the program challenging but manageable. There are difficult moments, such as the last two weeks leading up to finals and deadlines for legal writing assignments. What I like about non-traditional programs is that I can work while attending classes at night, allowing me to pay for law school out of pocket instead of taking out student loans or asking my parents for money. (I received a scholarship that covers 55% of my tuition.) What I don't like about non-traditional programs is that you pretty much miss all the enjoyable aspects of law school. Since you have a day job, you probably won't have time for guest speakers, moot court, student organizations, and other activities that take place on campus, as most of these events occur during the day. Additionally, many prestigious law schools do not offer evening programs at all, so attending an evening program limits your choices. Also, I don't think I'll be able to work for all four years while attending classes, as we have to complete externships or gain experience credits. Just my personal opinion - if you have a choice, try to attend a traditional program.
Thank you, as an aspiring nontraditional law student I cannot begin to tell you how valuable I found your video!
Hi Ezra! I'm so happy to hear that the video resonated! I actually run a free FB group for law students and prelaw students, and we have a big chunk of nontraditional students in the group to connect with and get more insights into their experience as they're going through it in real time. Would you like the link to join?
@@AngelaVorpahl Yes, please!
@@rejdfxvvsd Great! Here's the link to join: facebook.com/groups/lawtribenetwork See you inside!!
I just stumbled upon this and Iâm so glad I did. This was so helpful I had to pause and take notes. I have been trying to find graduates who were part time non-traditional students. Thank you for sharing!
You're so welcome! All of the lawyers who contributed to this video are amazing, and have said they are totally open to have conversations with anyone considering going to law school part-time! I also run a free FB group for current and aspiring law students (many of whom are nontraditional students), would you like the link to join and connect with them?
I love this video! I am a 35 year old practical nurse for 13 years and I always felt like my true passion was advocating for others although I do this everyday for my patients. At this point I am seriously considering going back to school to pursue a career in law. This video inspired me so much!
That's so exciting that you're considering pursuing a career in the law! I actually host a free FB for law students and prelaw students who are looking for clarity and support in their journey, would you like the link to join? We have a lot of nontraditional law students (including people coming from second careers) that you can reach out to and connect with about their experiences!
Oh definitely! Please send me the details would love to join
@@mrsambroise9808 Great! Here's the link to join: facebook.com/groups/lawtribenetwork See you inside!
She is correct on non-traditional students having a hard time getting a job with a big law firm. If you think about it, both the non-traditional student and the big law employer are right. The older, non traditional student/lawyer is not going to want to deal with the grunt work or a younger managing attorney 's goofiness at big law , and the big law firms just want to grind you down and max out billable hours and not deal with push back from a mature individual who questions the firms methods and operational procedures. It's a better fit to do your own thing or get in with a smaller firm.
I am non-traditional and worried about age bias. I finish my BA in May of 24 and hopefully get into law school for that fall cycle too. I am currently 37 and will grad law school at 41. I know it is very nontraditional, but I will be going full time with my eyes on schools like Berkeley and Vanderbilt. Currently studying to take the LSAT in April and June- wish me luck!
Thank you for this video!
I just turned 37 too, and considering law school! I'll have to consider part time though. It's a little nervous because it'll be a 2nd career. I haven't been in school in 10 years.
That's so freaking exciting! I don't want to pretend like I fully understand the law school experience as a nontraditional law student (since I went straight through), but there are some wonderful people in our community that have definitely made this decision and are going through it in real time right now -- feel free to post inside the free FB group if you'd like to connect with some of them! Would you like the link to join? :)
I totally get that. What I have found to be the most helpful for nontraditional students that I've coached is to have a community of people going through the same experience in real time. I actually run a free FB group for law students and prelaw students looking for clarity and support in their law school journey, and there are a lot of nontraditional law students inside, would you like the link to join and connect with them? :)
Yes! Send me the link please
@@AngelaVorpahl Please!
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Oh no it happened again! That's so weird. When I check the video before I upload it it's sometimes hearable out of both and sometimes out of only one. I'll look into what might be causing this. I want you guys to have a really great watching experience :)
Love love loovvee your videos!! I really want to go to law school and have been playing with the idea of being a PT student. Your vids are super helpful in letting me decide the route I want to take.
Hi Oshinofa! I'm so happy that the videos have been resonating! I actually run a free FB group for law students and prelaw students, and there are lots of PT/nontraditional law students in there for you to connect with and get a sense for their experience, would you like the link to join?
Thank you Angela!! This video has answered
everything I wanted to know! This is great!
Yay!! I'm so happy to hear it, Elaine! Are you thinking of taking a nontraditional path to law school? :)
@@AngelaVorpahl yes I am. I had a video request on the same topic less than a year ago. Iâm applying this cycle, if all goes well Iâll be joining your classes before I start school next fall.â€ïž
@@MsMaryElaine Oh my gosh, I remember! I'm so glad I finally was able to make this video, it definitely has been a looong time coming. I know you guys have been waiting for these answers, so I'm glad it finally got you the insight you were looking for :)
Can't thank you enough for this video. As a successful REALTORÂź I have thought many times about finishing my degree and going to law school. Being an Attorney had been my original goal but as your video says, life got in the way as did kids and responsibilities. So I stayed in sales and ended up in real estate. Which I love. But I can absolutely see myself being a real estate attorney one day and stepping into a more corporate type role. I had assumed for a long time that I was simply too old to even bother (I am 48). But I feel all of 30yrs old and given my background in real estate, I think I could have a good chance at finding a position with a large company or builder. Great video! Thank you for the content.
Hi John! I'm so glad this video resonated with you! I can completely understand it feeling like a big leap to go back to law school later in life, but I'm glad the amazing lawyers I interviewed for this video gave you an alternative perspective on how you can really make it work for you.
Each of the people that contributed to this video were very open to talking through their experience further, so feel free to reach out to them (at their LinkedIn profiles in the description) if you have any other questions about the process or experience. They're truly wonderful.
Great content as always!
Aw thanks man! I'm so glad the video landed for you!! :)
Thank you so much for this video.
My pleasure! You guys are truly inspiring :)
great video. thank for this
You're so welcome! The lawyers I interviewed gave SUCH great insights!!
Really enjoyed the video
I'm so happy to hear it! Are you a nontraditional student thinking about pursuing law school? :)
Love your content.
Thanks so much, Cheryl! Is law school something you're thinking about? :)
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Thank you, Angela. This is amazing content.
Hi Anthony! I'm so happy to hear that the video resonated! Is law school something you think you might want to pursue one day?
@@AngelaVorpahl yes, thanks for asking. I sold a successful business to chase my dream of becoming a lawyer. I am 45 and pursuing a JD/MBA. I will start this fall. I'm admitted at a regional school as a JD/MBA and still waiting on a decision (waitlisted) with my #1 choice school. I'm in at my #1 school for business this fall, but still hoping they'll let me in for law. I have a 149 LSAT. I just didn't go fast enough :( I have been encouraged and educated by your content. I hope that you get blessed like you have blessed others!!
â@@anthonywurst2548 â That's so exciting, Anthony! Congratulations!! It sounds like you have a great option, and the news can only get better from here. :)
In thinking more about your nontraditional path to law school, I wanted to let you know that I run a free FB group for law students and prelaw students looking for clarity and support in their law school journey. There are a lot of nontraditional law students inside the group that you could connect with and get insight from, would you like the link to join?
@@AngelaVorpahl Absolutely. Thanks! How can I find it?
@@anthonywurst2548 Great! Here's the link to join: facebook.com/groups/lawtribenetwork See you inside!!
Love your content!!! This was so helpful.
I'm so glad to hear it! Are you a nontraditional student thinking about law school?
@@AngelaVorpahl Yup! I worked for a few years after undergrad & I'm applying to law school this fall. I'll be 30 when I start. This video was very informative, and made me feel less alone.
@@a.s.762 â I'm so glad to hear it! I'm actually hosting a free virtual summit specifically for incoming law students who are looking to take control of their law school career before day one of class! Would you like the link to check it out?
@@AngelaVorpahl Yes! Absolutely.
@@a.s.762 Great! Here's the link to grab your free ticket: togetherwelawschool.me/twls-ytc I can't wat for you to see the awesome presentations the speakers have created!!
Great video! Starting Law school in August at the age of 45. Going full time and my goal is to finish in 2.5 years. Not gonna pivot careers but a law degree will definitely enhance it and open other opportunities in my field.
Congratulations! That's amazing!! It's so cool to hear how intentional and focused you're being about your goal too! If you're starting law school this fall, I'm actually giving my free 1L Masterclass next week (talking about the strategies to set yourself up for the grades you want), would you like the link to join?
This video is GOLD!! Thank you! â€
I'm so glad to hear that it was helpful! Is law school something you're interested in pursuing?
@@AngelaVorpahl Yes!
@@stuff1784 Awesome! I actually run a free FB group full of non-traditional law students and aspiring law students supporting each other and answering questions about the experience, would you like the link to join?
@@AngelaVorpahl Yes!
@@stuff1784 Great! Here's the link to join: facebook.com/groups/lawtribenetwork See you inside!
Thank you Angela!
You're so welcome! Is law school the next big thing coming up for you? :)
@@AngelaVorpahl it is :)
â@@tj-8422 Awesome! I actually run a free FB for law students and prelaw students looking for clarity and support in their journey, would you like the link to join?
Thank you for the video! This is so informative. I'm a graduate student from a English Literature MA program and currently working as a foreign affairs officer in China. I'm considering quitting my current job and applying for a law school in the US. What worries me most is that I'm 27 years old and may have to face age bias in the job market after graduation (it is so common in China to face prejudice against your age). The advise you gathered gives me hope for my decision.
I'm so glad to hear it! If you're looking for additional support and clarity in your law school journey, I also run a free FB group for law students and aspiring law students, would you like the link to join?
Thank you so much
My pleasure! I'm so glad that the video resonated!!
Thank you for this! I am a non-traditional law student.
I'm so glad to hear the video was helpful! I actually run a free FB group for law students looking for clarity and support in their law school journey, would you like the link to join?
@@AngelaVorpahl thatd be great
@@Doctorgoodegg Great! Here's the link to join: facebook.com/groups/lawtribenetwork See you inside!
Great video!
Thanks, Jess! Are you thinking of making the move to law school along the non-traditional route? :)
@@AngelaVorpahl yes, I am! Iâm applying this cycle for Fall 2022 admission and by the time I start I would be 4 years out of undergrad
â@@JessETV That's so exciting! I actually run a free FB group for law students and prelaw students looking for clarity and support in their law school journey, would you like the link to join?
@@AngelaVorpahl yes that would be great!!
@@JessETV Great! Here's the link to join: facebook.com/groups/lawtribenetwork See you inside!
Yes I do have questions on your video on it's
Full time union carpenter finishing up my B.S in economics and plan on going to law school (hopefully if Iâm accepted ) part time seems the route for me
That's awesome! I run a free FB group for law students and aspiring law students looking for clarity and support in their law school journey and we have quite a few nontraditional students in the group that you could connect with, would you like the link to join?
thank you
My pleasure! I'm so glad the video resonated. :) Are you thinking that law school might be your next big thing?
Hello, I have been putting law school on the back burner for a long time now (the expense, the time, the stress) and feel like it is time I get it done. Thanks for sharing video, very helpful. I know the video was posted a long time ago but I was not able to see the information on lawyers that volunteered to answer questions or support. Thanks
I'm so glad to hear this video resonated with you! To check out the names of the lawyers and their contact information, click on "show more" below the video to see the entire description.
I also host a free FB for law students and prelaw students looking for clarity and support in their law school journey, and we have a lot of nontraditional law students that I think could be a really great source of insight about the process and experience! Would you like the link to join?
Yes !
@@pachecoerikac âGreat! Here's the link to join: facebook.com/groups/lawtribenetwork See you inside!
Thanks you on lawyer school
As a non-traditional law student is it wise to work and attend law school both ? How would you balance work / law school ? Full time or part time ?
Thanks for the video! I am a Registered Nurse. I'm 35 and contemplating a new career in law but not sure where to start or if its worth it for me?
Hereâs my question as a 25 year old mother and aspiring law student: How bad is it if I donât have extracurriculars on a law school application if I have a great LSAT and 4.0 GPA? Specifically for elite schools
Hi! I'm definitely not a law school admissions expert, but from speaking with those who are (cough, Anna Ivey, cough), the extracurriculars are much further down the priority list. LSAT, uGPA, and work experience (followed by a compelling personal statement and/or diversity statement) are going to be the absolute strongest ammo in your application.
If you haven't checked out this video yet I highly recommend it, Anna gives AMAZING advice: czcams.com/video/JLkGlGoub1E/video.html
Iâm a non traditional student (starting law school at 27 and with a family) However, Iâm starting law school straight out of undergrad so I got my work experience from 18-23 and not from 23-27. Basically I didnât have work experience between undergrad and law school but instead, before both of them. Iâm not sure how this effects applications, interviews, etc. since my âwork experienceâ isnât as fresh.
I'm not a law school admissions expert so I can't say for certain, but my sense is that your work definitely still "counts." Basically you're showing them that you are more mature, have had experiences out in the real world/working world that have given you insight into why you actually want to go to law school and who you want to serve as a lawyer, and you'll be more attractive to both the diversity of the student body and legal employers when you start applying for jobs in law school!
Itâs been a long day. So tired. It took a while for me to comprehend what you meant by local bar. I was wondering why I have to go to a bar đșđ» local BAR
I am much older as applicant and worry about that
Iâm 26 years old, currently getting my bachelors Iâll finish when Iâm 28. Iâll apply to law school then. Will the fact that I waited later to get my bachelors but going to apply to law school right after negatively impact
Me?
Hi! I love this question because it means you're thinking very intentionally about your decision to pursue law school, and that's fantastic. I'm not a law school admissions expert, but what law schools are going to be most interested in is your personal narrative for the decisions you've made, the reasons you've made them, and how that connects to your desire to pursue law school. So my sense is that starting your bachelor's degree later in life is not a bad thing or a good thing, it's simply an opportunity for you to narrate why law school and why now at this point in your life, and connect the thread for the other decisions that have affected those aspects in your life up to this point. :)
Yes I am ready t9 be a lawyer, uow to ge start with it's
In this video all the sound is pan to the left. It is good information though.
Question. Is that not age discrimination to dismiss them for their age or it being a second career? Do law firms have some special way of hiding that? Or does EEOC get a lot of complaints about law firms?
I honestly have no idea. I imagine that these types of decisions aren't based on age at all, but on performance and value to the law firm. Most 8th-10th year associates are in their early 30's.
Hi, may I ask how many hours per day one needs to study law if one didn't work at all? As I don't have any experience studying law and I wish that can study for my second bachelor, bachelor of law one day in a private university/college in Malaysia as I am a Malaysian. I am a full-time educator by the way, but, I will allocate my working holiday period to study law. Hoping for your answer / answers, Miss Angela. Thank you very much, Miss Angela.:D:D:D
Hi! So I have to give the caveat that I only coach with respect to the U.S. law school system since that's the one I personally have experience with, but just in case it transfers to Malaysia as well, I recommend 1Ls getting in 6-8 hours of studying per day, not counting class time (which is usually 2.5-3.5 hours per day). So a full day is usually 10-14 hours.
awww. thank you!:D:D:D
How could someone not know that L1 year is so encompassing??? What rock did they live under? That comment blew me away!
Luckily you know everything, so you're smart enough for all of us.
@@doubleoblit Life must be especially tough for you. Iâm sorry
Ok, I will be as brief as possible. I have entertained the notion of possibly going to law school. But here are the facts, I live here in Mississippi, where there are only two law schools - MC Law and Ole Miss Law. I have never considered going to law school before now. Here are some pertinent facts: my undergraduate GPA is 2.6 from Miss. State University. I have obtained three master's degrees since graduating from MSU. First, Master of Science in Management from Belhaven University. Second, an MBA from LSU at Shreveport. Third, a Master of Accountancy from the University of Scranton. Currently, I am enrolled in a WashU to earn a Master of Legal Studies in Regulatory Compliance. Yeah, I know that I am a glutton for punishment with all the schools I have been to. But, if anyone of you have ever been to Mississippi, you would recognize that there is nothing here except poverty and despair. I am 44 years old and married. I have never taken the LSAT. MY QUESTION IS: EVEN THOUGH MY UNDERGRADUATE GPA IS WEAK. STILL, WITH WILL ALL THESE MASTER'S DEGREES I HAVE EARNED HELP SHOW THE ADMISSIONS COUNCIL HOW HARD I WORK, OR DOES THE ADMISSISSION COUNCIL STRICTLY LOOK AT UNDERGRADUATE GPA?
Hi Colin, good question. I'm not a law school admissions coach, but my friend Anna Ivey is a wonderful one and what she says is that the law school will always consider your uGPA in admissions decisions because it's part of how law schools are "ranked" by U.S. News and World Report.
That being said, you can absolutely write an "addendum essay" explaining the master's degrees you've gotten since undergrad, the GPAs you've gotten with those degrees, and make a compelling case that the master's degrees you've obtained are much more representative of your maturity and academic abilities than your undergraduate degree X years ago.
I definitely recommend checking out her take on this question and other common law school admissions questions in the video we made, here: czcams.com/video/JLkGlGoub1E/video.html
Let me know if this helps!
Angela
â@@AngelaVorpahl Thank for looking into this, I was wondering for myself as well.
@@nothinleader Nice! I actually run a free FB group for law students and prelaw students looking for clarity and support in their law school journey, would you like the link to join?
Hi thanks for teaching and working in this area. I would not mind you, sending any information on what you, are a professional in like real estate if you, are and the laws that are in this area. Happy new year, to you. And remember matthew 4:7, Revelation 3:5-7. Have a good day.
I am 50 years old and I do not have any type of undergraduate degree do I have any chance of getting into a law school on good personal reasons, High LSAT score and references and highschool law credits...?
You are going to have to have an undergrad degree.
@@MSneberger not necessarily...
@@AnthonyCarrier Why did you ask if you already know the answer? I would be interested to hear about an ABA accredited law school that would let you in without an undergrad degree.
@@MSnebergerMaybe because I researched afterward and I am still researching it today and basically the person who told me that I required one was partially was correct. Except California does not require and undergraduate degree and most all other Universities will accept an application with 90 credit hours meaning they will accept an application if you have a minimum of 2 years of Post-secondary education and working towards a full Bachelor's degree...Also I am sure that if you were working in the field for 5 years it would count towards an undergraduate degree and if your worked 10 years in the field it would count as a masters at most Law schools and maybe all of them...
@@MSneberger The entire state of California...
Your thumbnail lol
Haha I know, very random. I think I was trying to capture the level of confusion I would feel if I had gone back to law school after several years out of the world of school. :)
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Just as a reminder. The population in most western countries overall is getting older and older by proxy mostly due to the advancements of modern medicine and the declining birth rates in western countries. The fact is that more mature ppl will have to work on and so it is very realistic to assume itâs a natural consequence that we as more mature folks ( Iâm a 46 year old female w/prior college degrees, speaking more than 3 languages fluent, living in the US making my money working in a second career as a manual therapist, ( despite my prior college degrees which I have not earned close to equivalent to my last earned associates degree in my mid thirtiesâŠ) OF COURSE we are capable, of course we would bring so much to the tableâŠhoweverâŠunless the âcultureâ changes, likely itâs gonna be significantly harder, if not mostly impossible. Law is the culture around law not being anymore a pure altruistic sense made career. The house of law is not a place of justice. When societies and systems are not build upon true values of truth and justice to bring to its ppl ( regardless of $$$) than what is a law worth at all?
If a society does not form upon significant values agreed upon than the writing of any law is doomed to begin with. And no law can take place in any society that does not follow the first law of all. Which are base pillars of sense and order.
We we are ready to face reality than things can progress, rehabilitate.
However just as in any common space of societyâŠhealth care, housing, education, foreign and domestic politicsâŠthe US has really nothing to show for itself.
Mind you Americans who do not regularly travel around the world wouldnât have a single insightâŠ
The âAmerican Dreamâ was and is a generated âFantasiaââŠand if the States were all that empire like thing then let me assure you to state the facts of history. Most empires did not last loooong. And ALL empires fell. They did thrive at itâs peak but always came from extortion and greed, build on compromising any natural and logical senses, innate to us humans, we could do different, BUTâŠsomehow we are stuck just repeating the same story over and over. Doomed and dooming all and everything around us.
I donât long for a god, a higher anything to get out of my own self. I donât matter and yet we all matter. Collectively we do harm. Most to one another. But on the greater scale we truly mess up this planet. And along us we seem to ruin anything amongst.
Most times I want us to solve the problem. But even more times I come to understand we ARE our own biggest enemy and dragging everything down with us.
It must have been a great divergence when the evolution of the homo Homo sapiens started at the same time the Blue planet erupted out of the universe. May it be fait or may it be faith, in the end we must as humans go away and not exist anymore to save this planet.
Everything in nature is connected is inadvertently necessary to give room and space and nourishment to most anything else. Except us. We are perpetuate in self destructing and along ( based off of delusions) destroying the very environment that gave us life. Itâs on every level bewildering. Why even have a brain so big and a conscience and a soul and mind and heart and understanding so much, when at the same time being your own cause of total destruction?
May the force be with us fallible humans, as I know most any one single person is not bad. We do what we do. Again and again. Over and over. But as a whole we are showing up looking STUPID. Like we can even wrap our âperceiving mindsâ around the least simple concepts of self preservation.
Itâs NOT greed. Itâs NOT war. That ever answer to our forthcoming short comings. Certainly also isnât any story of the Kumbaja version.
Yaâll behold yourself, try to be chill and at any cost control your emotions and know that thinking isnât knowing.
Not sure why but I got sound only in my left headphone. All other videos are fine.
I'm telling you especially because for this reason, I cannot watch your video.
It is too uncomfortable. Too bad!