Rings of Power, The Sword Fight Critic
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- čas přidán 27. 09. 2022
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Telling you how it is IRL. Breaking down Amazon Prime Rings of Power (episode 5) sword fight scene with Galadriel. What is cool and what it totally foolish. LOTR fans can pick apart the lore, i'll review their choreography.
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It's pretty easy to see that the choreography is not at all rooted in reality. I really appreciate your perspective!
Competitive sword fighting is definitely boring, compared to what looks exciting on screen 😄
@@BachataKnight sure, but the RoP choreography looks in most places like "hey actors, here are your weapons, just do some fancy stuff!"
they actually confirmed that the director let the actors choreograph themselves and they did that on the spot and on the day. proving yet again that the 1 billion $ were not invested into making the series but into promoting it
I guess "Galadriel" saw the Witcher. That final move is from on of its best scenes 🤣
That budget still blows my mind!
They weren't aiming for her, they were just aiming for her sword which isn't actually how you sword fight.
Yes!, EXCEPT if their sword is controlling the center or you anticipate and intercept their attack, to drive it away. In HEMA a "Shielhau" is an example of attacking their sword. Of course you would immediately follow up with a strike to their person
She's not even really training them, she's just sparring with them while they attack her wildly while she shows them all up by outmaneuvering all their attacks. The intent is to show how badass she is, not to legitimately train a group of soldiers in swordsmanship. But the soldier's/pre-teens clearly don't have any idea what they're doing, so it doesn't really make her look like she's skilled when she's going up against people who look like they just picked up a sword for the first time.
I know it's fantasy, but they couldn't have hired an expert to make sure the fight scenes didn't look goofy as hell, with that billion dollar budget?
Lol the pre teens 😆. Truth. They are very new compared to her skill level. Yeah, kind of makes me regret I meant to also mention the differences in traditional races of movies and gaming. Such as Elves have better dexterity etc.
@@BachataKnight only her "northern army" has as much sword skill appearently...
This is one of the big issues with her, she is supposed to be a commander yet she has no ability to command. Elendil asks her to train them and she just decides to humiliate them, thus she is lacking as any type of teacher as well.
She is clearly a commissioned officer and got the command of the north from daddy, she definitely didn't earn it.
It would have been an idea.
If you look closely at that "disarm" she didn't actually disarm him at all - she just put her hand there and he gave her the sword.
Great review and totally agree. Personally this scene filled me with rage, not just because of lore issues, but that this was no training endeavor but simply a humiliation fantasy where no one learns anything. It reminded me of a bad community theatre version of Pirates of Penzance. Anyways....Pittsburgh sword fighter? Awesome. My hometown and we may know someone in common. Sending you an email. Thanks for the video!
Awesome! I got it earlier. Was at work, going to reply. We train at Broken Plow Western Martial Arts. HEMA and Armored. Ha, yeah, now that this show is on my radar, I've been looking into the lore issues
@@BachataKnight Thanks, man. Appreciate that. yeah, once you know the lore behind this, it's maddening. No fight choreographer is taking credit for it. One thing to understand is that the people she is "training" (ie. making fun of so the show can make her look 'awesome' which she isn't) are the Númenóreans. The greatest and most powerful warriors in Tolkien's world. And the show made them all stumbling dolts just for Galadriel to show off (and with horrible technique). "Come at me, bro." It's just insulting. To make it worse, they are all about to head out for war and they couldn't cut a watermelon in half. But hey, it's Amazon. Who needs logic? Let's just have a dance number and it will all be fine. For the love of all that is good and holy, this show should have never been made.
the problem is the training/sparring scene and they use real swords, what happen if any of those swing lands? one of them will be dead , maybe without head ...should've used wooden swords ..and why they even trained in an alley with steps? not in barracks?, I mean in the books, Numenor is such a advanced kingdom with great cities by this time in second age, they should have a proper training ground at least.
So much this! Especially at least hand protection. For a challenge just to "touch skin" they are literally attempting murder with every swing 😆
Wait… you’re forgetting - she’s a strong woman. That trumps all your knowledge as a man with actual experience in swordsmanship. 🤪 And they were working with a very limited budget for this show, so it’s not like they could hire someone to help choreograph the scene. 🤷🏻♀️😂😂
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@KiKku Entertainment All of it lol 😂 I can’t stand what Amazon and their billion dollar budget have done to such an incredible story. They’ve destroyed beloved characters and then have the nerve to call fans nasty names when they take notice of the butchery. This was an honest and excellent video, and I genuinely appreciate taking the time to make it. 😊
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🤣 !! It's too bad they were scraping the change out of their pockets to be able to shell out a bit of the budget for some knowledge 🤣
The scene that inspired you: That's a single edged blade, she was holding the flat to him...
'Attacking the sword' - this is proper stage combat, actors are not fighters, you give them a pointy object and tell them to aim for the other actor, you most likely will have an injured actor. They intentionally aim off line and out of distance. It's the job of the cameraman and director to make it look real while the actors fight in a way that keep each other safe. The director and crew just completely failed on that one.
I appreciate you going deeper into swordfighting in RoP but honestly? What did you expect when there is a line of dialogue basically going "There are many ways to kill an orc with a sword, like stabbing, hue hue." and then she doesn't bring up anything else
" what an idiot!". Hahaha! Love this I learned a lot here. The whole thumb thing makes so much sense!
Thanks! I learned that from Longsword. In sword and buckler we thrust the same way while holding the buckler shield on top of that hand to protect it. Such a stronger way to poke
Two methods? It's almost as if..."there are many ways to kill an orc." ;)
Interesting breakdown.
Definitely more than one way to skin an orc 😀 and thanks !!
your “strong edge”
Can't wait to see your thoughts on episode 6. There is SO MUCH to mock there.
7 and 8 .... I kind of steered cleared of 8 because tooo much to spoil by accident. However I am looking forward to Season 2 shenanigans :)
You should critique witcher netfllix sword fights.
Oh!! Ok I will investigate that. I'm not certain, but it may have been Witcher content where the main actor had his chest armor on backwards and no one noticed!!
@@BachataKnight lol
the swords of the numenoreans are single edged...crafted for mounted combat i think... so no short edged situation at all :)
Ha! That's true. Even less of an issue to walk away from an blunted edge
@@BachataKnight also after she took away the sword of the blonde buddy "Otomo?" in the next shot he was back attacking with a sword... guess the show doesn't bother with continuity at all... oh, forget it... we know about that from the start... 🤣
Cool vid. Always nice to learn a few things.
Thank you 😊 🙏
a thrust may be executed in pronation or supination depending on how one wants to angulate. whatever she did was just ridiculous
I can agree on that 👍
I got to say, Amazon should have pick up the phone and called you to choreograph these amazing weapon moves. $40million per episode and I'm starting to believe no budget nor effort was given in these kind of scenes.
I think movie choreography has some value. Wild swinging can make it more entertaining. But yes, I think even basic concepts could have been implemented and still be entertaining. It really bugs me when it becomes more of a rehearsed partner dance, instead of making it feel like they are earnestly reacting to each others attacks. If that makes sense
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Cool vid mate!
Ok I honestly will give you a like, and subscribe, I liked it.
Thanks!! I will start to try making at least a monthly critique of movies (hopefully new releases) and improve the background lol for new subscribers. I appreciate it ❤️ !
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They practice with real swords rather than wooden swords
Injure an entire army before a real battle lol
Lol, he reminds me of those people who say they have a degree in Tolkienology.
You’ve also missed the fact that multiple times she counters with the dull side of her blade
Ah! Good eyes 👀!
her ridiculous dodge was a poorly executed inquartata
That's not a Gladius. That is a cutting sword. I would of hacked the orgs with that sword. A sword fight starts with you looking for weak spots in your enemy.
You don't need streangh what's wrong with you.? Lol haha.. Cool vid very informative...
None of the actors know jack about swordfighting. That’s okay, most actors don’t.
The director don’t know jack about swordfighting. Also okay: not his job.
Stuntmen, stuntwomen and fight choreographers know swordfighting. That is their jobs, that is their purpose.
But this fight was shot without stunt doubles, in a single day - which makesme think that it might have been improvised beat by beat, rather than planned and rehearsed. I don’t know who the stunt coordinator was that day. Maybe sick? Maybe this is the director himself and some brave actors doing the best they could with the time and resources they had available?
But no matter how bad it is as fight choreography, it is worse from a writers perspective. I know very little about swordfighting (more than these people, but that’s a very low bar) but I do know at least a few somethings about writing, and this scene is an absolute mess.
Hi, do you mind saying what you meant in regards to the writing perspective? Or one example would be enough if it’s not too much of a bother.
I’m only learning how to write and want to write sword fights as well, so I’d appreciate your perspective.
All the best!
@@puline397 Hi, short version: Galadriel is showing off and humiliating the noobs instead of teaching them, that makes her unsympathetic to us viewers. Also it is a waste of time, because this show has already told us, multiple times that she has superpowers. Going forth, that should only be used to resolve problems when the story needs it, another scene that only repeats that she has superpowers without doing anything else is frustrating. Finally, it’s a load of lost opportunity. Training scenes can be used to reveal character of those involved. Are they timid or overconfident, angry or stoic, impulsive or careful, how do they hold themselves in small victories and defeats, what are their relationships to each other? And so on. Characters can get angry with each other and build conflict, or they can support each other and bond closer. Stuff can happen that moves the plot along, like when Theo decides to trust Arondir with the Saurons nasty sword. But this scene does nothing. Except make Galadriel look bad. Although the last part is unintentional, as far as I can tell. (Both music and facial expressions seems to be telling us that we should be happy and clapping.)
I think HelloFutureMe has made a good video about writing action scenes. And probably Brandon Sanderson.
Good luck!
@@danguillou713 Thank you for such a long and thorough answer! I think I knew some of the things you mentioned, but I’ll keep in mind the others I haven’t thought about. And I’ll check out your recommendations too, thank you.
Now that I think about it, you’re right it’s a lot of missed opportunity for character development and for having even the minor characters, such as the trainees, have some kind of personality other than a mob character.
Thanks again and good luck on your writing journey!
Did all the money go to advertising? I remember people were mad when a sex choreographer was hired. Why didn't they hire a sword choreographer?
Thrust slice then slice surely? Lol
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what is curious is that they spent 1 billion $ for this series, yet they did not hire an expert for anything in this series, possibly the only exception is the soundtrack (or an expert in woke propaganda but that's another topic).
I really wish they put someone like you for example, to make sword fights look more natural and accurate as opposed to the unrealistic, cheap on-the-spot choreographies they have.
it’s called Fencing not “ Sword Fighting”
You lost me when you said you think her bending back is believable...that is one of the easiest ways to lose your balance, your situational awareness, reaction speed and manoevrability...you are so vulnerable doing that...
Bending that much back feels like it's inviting a kick to me, but am as much of a noob as those recruits lol (tho confident wouldn't overswing that much lmao)
For an elf it would be more than possible, far less exaggerated than most things movie Legolas did regarding balance.
Every other issue you point out I agree with.
For all talk of wanting strong women in fiction, way to destroy one of the best ones ever...
There's an SCA guy, Duke Brannos, who has a great bending back technique. Also, I have seen people bend back to avoid head strikes a few times. Not as far back as she does, but (as I said he telegraphed the swing) close enough in real life that I can believe it. Duke Brannos Training Video, with the Lean Back:
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Mack, at 9:30, why I believe bending back technique czcams.com/video/HzTZVsaKhrY/video.html
This sword fight, if you could call it that... Was actually worse than The Last Jedi throne room scene, and that was just pure sh!t.
Words cant describe how dumb, stupid and cringeworthy this Ma-Rey-Sue lecture was.
You on the other hand show it very pedagogically and methodically. Well done!
Single handed sword fighting, you NEVER PUT YOUR THUMB ON THE BLADE, thats gross unprofessionalism, I agree the sword fighting in the rings of power is garbage, Respectfully you do not put your thumb on the blade! I trained with the royal armouries for 5 years in sword and shield combat. Always maintian eye contact for one.
The "stab, twist, gut" took me out. Terrible writing.
Some of the worst ever 🤣
Are u wearing a Communist Party Red Army Uniform Hat?
Just for the style. I am not communist at all but I like the look of the short bill hats and long beard. I appreciate the knowledge behind your question :)
Couldn't concentrate on the comments because of the commie hat.
wow 3 musketeers does crazy sword fights and nobody complains, but when a woman does it...
Ever watched a fencing training / sword training session? The intent was to present Galadriel as superior in weaponry. The show runners did not succeed in conveying that. Rather, all it achieves is show that she is superior than raw recruits who know nothing about swordsmanship. How does this make the character look honourable and worthy of respect? It only makes her look smug and arrogant. That is not how to go about teaching or training; certainly, not preparing for war where they might die.