What No One Tells You About Engine Swaps! Best Engine To Pick?
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Today Jared uses his experience building the 1970 Plymouth Duster TriHard for the Holley Triple Crown to help you decide which engine is best for your swap. He goes into the history of the GM LS engine, The Mopar GEN III Hemi, and the Ford Coyote engine.
Looking at the costs of each, the ability to make lots of horse power, and relative ease of installing them, the goal is to help you make the best choice when it comes to the right engine for your swap!
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Jared, people don't ASK, they irrationally argue about which engine is the BEST EVAAAAR!!! without any nuance that each one has its place. Hey, it's the internet, that's how it works! 😀 Wishing you a speedy recovery from your surgery.
Not to be nitpicky but the Mustangs had the 5.0 in 95. 96 was the first year of the 4.6 modular engine
i want reliability, ease of mantenance, & a big smile.. so,, for the past 50 yrs,, ive only bought 351c.. you put this engine on lpg, with 302c heads. no mods.. you got a winner.. bronco has this engine 16 yrs, no issues.. & fast..
oh,,, forgot,, ausie.. our 351c xy ho. with 4 sp factory.. would do 160 mph.. not advertised as kids would kill themselves..
biggest factor.. is what internal problems they have like the LS has 4 i know of. oil, cam, cam bearings, ect.. dodge had the cam c clip prob. cyoti,,no thanks.. ill keep my clevo..
"Each engine has to go in it's family..." There are Ford Guys, Chevy guys, Mopar guys, etc, and then there are Car guys. Nothing wrong with any of them, but the Car guys are the ones I like the best because they are the ones that always do the craziest, best stuff with their vehicles.
Well said!
I'm a car guy, I own all three, I don't represent Ford very well but love rangers and mustangs, and pre 79 trucks, have tons of second Gen dodges, and everything Chevy, I got a 1990 dodge 1500 RWD with a bad tranny, engine sucked, but dodge makes good stuff, but it was throttle body feed fuel injected, my neighbor said just put a Chevy 350 into it, how much I regret not. Putting a 350 into it, it was just a horrible truck
Well said 👍
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I’m definitely a car guy but the funny thing about being competitive is you always think that yours is the best until it’s proven
I swapped a 5.7 liter Hemi into my 1972 Datsun 510. Of course I had to modify a periscope from a decommissioned submarine, and install it to allow me to see the road from the drivers seat. WORTH IT!!
I'm going to start off with acknowledging this is a dumb question, but did you have to cut/modify the firewall? How hard of a job was this, what transmission, rear end, and suspension parts did you use. Only reason for my inquiry is I purchased a 1981 Datsun 510 wagon last fall and am wide open for any info I can get. It's my first foreign project car, being I've always been more into the big 3, muscle cars, and trucks all from the 60's to 90's.
Fuck yeah
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Great comparison! I just picked up a wrecked '16 Challenger to swap the 5.7/8HP70 into my '71 Coronet (currently 318/2V). Even if I leave it bone stock it's over double the hp and about 60% more torque. Given the Coronet weighs ~900lbs less than a modern Challenger/Charger it should be amusing.
And it’s a beauty car.
Better upgrade the oil pump or it will look like every new dodge broken down due to lifter/ cam issue that stem from poor oil pressure
@@jo-qp7mz the issue isn't the oil pump from my research, it's the MDS system, which IS getting deleted. I may throw on a new pump though just as a precaution as the car was in a pretty serious collision.
@@rennkafer13it's an oil volume issue. Avoid long idle times and do regular maintenance and you shouldn't get the issue. Something else to keep in mind, the supposed "common" issue has only affected ~1% of these engines.
Have you considered stroking the 318 to a 390?
As a "Ford guy" I can't disagree. I love the Coyote, but as a swap motor, it is a difficult choice. It's so expensive and large it doesn't work everywhere like the LS.
What Jared is not mentioning is how easy it is to get monster HP figures with the Coyote. A simple blower and oiling gear will put you way higher HP and more reliable than the same mods to an LS. Cleetus has proved this.
also worth mentioning, coyote is best with an NA build, they can take 100 hp/L without really caring, which is simply way way harder to do with a pushrod design because you're capped at a relatively low RPM. Coyotes will take upwards of 8250 rpm all day, LS'es and Hemis simply wont.
as a ford guy,, the only engine to buy, is a 351c.. period. look up falcon xy gt ho.. 160 mph, std.. 1 cam, no fkn computer... ausie.. [ i also own a dodge challenger 340 r/t.. thanks..]
I think Cleetus has more so proved that you can't punch every LS out to 427 and run crazy cylinder pressures.
Jared should have went with a godzilla instead of Coyote for more apples to apples comparison.
The high rpm of the coyotes makes my heart go "weeeee" but my bank account really likes LS swaps.
Im a mopar guy from a toddler but you got to give it to GM, they made their LS accessible and versatile. You can put a LS in anything. You cant really do that with the hemi and coyote.
They made a cheap wedge head with engineering stolen from Chrysler small blocks. From the rocker shafts to the skirted block. Yes, it is a compact affordable package. But thats because it has inferior heads and a weaker aluminum block. I'll stick to the Hemis, thanks.
The ls thing is so way overdone. I get so tired of seeing virtually everything with an LS swap in it. Yes, they are cheaper and easy to find. But, to me, it shows a little bit of a lack of imagination, and following the crowd. I am definitely a Mopar guy and will always be! The one thing good that I can say about the LS engine is also a fact of the hemi. At least both Ford and Mopar stuck with a push rod engine. Best way to make low end power and high-end power as well. It's also a bonus that they are both cheaper to manufacture. People can keep their LS engines. If I were to be given one I would sell it
You can go blindfolded to a junkyard and still find an LS for your project.
@@BruceLee-xn3nn the same can be said for your average 5.7 lol. There really is no reason to run an LS over the Hemi unless you need the smallest engine possible. Eagle and Apache heads far outflow the LS or LT at every point of lift.
Ls having the same bolt pattern as the small and big blocks is a giant deal. They'll go in anything, boats, trucks ,etc
The Modular motor 2v 4.6 was introduced in ‘91 in the Lincoln Town Car. ‘92 in the Crown Vic, and ‘96 in the Mustang. The Aluminum block 4v 4.6 was introduced in the ‘93 Lincoln MkVIII and then the ‘96 Mustang SVT Cobra. The 2v 4.6 was introduced in the ‘97 F150, and the 2v 5.4 debuted the same year in the F250. The only 5.4 in a Mustang was the hand built SVT 4v for the racing intended Mustang Cobra R. There was a 4v 5.4 iron block used in the early 2000s Lincoln Navigator.
The 4 valve 4.6 was also used in the Lincoln Continental.
I believe there were 2 f-250s in 97. The new f150 body style came out that year, but the new superduty was still a couple years away. The 250/350 were still the early 90’s body with pushrod v-8s. Ford made the f250 “light duty” using the f150 body, beefed up frame, suspension and diff. These trucks used the 5.4 2v modular SOHC V8. After the superduty debuted in 1999 the f150 light duty continued to be made until 2003 , called the f150 7700.
Thank you for clarifying. He was killing me with the wrong info on the modular.
I wish there was a way to search for Mopar comments. I was always in aww and blessed to watch my daddy roll old Dusters, Aspen, and all kinds of Dodge, Plymouth and Chryslers into the back yard and rebuild them from the ground up and turn them into Championship cars for the Local circle track. Some cars I have never heard of or seen other than in my back yard growing up. Mopar=More Power! Not late model classes but 1-2 class below that (it's got different names) called (1) Thunder & Lightening and Charger Class(2). He would tell me all the time as a kid that he had the same amount of money in the whole car as competition had in their engines(mostly Chevys) and competed to win or won every week. He was the only won that raced Dodges other than one guy that ran Dodges in Late Model and S. Trucks. He didnt want me to become a mechanic so wouldnt teach me much, so i tried to watch and absorb as much as possible in my first 25 years. Alot of history and great stories died when he did. My daddy trained/taught the majority of the good mechanics in Charleston SC. Sucks I didn't have more time and sense to tap into his endless knowledge and resources. They Dont make men like that no more!
I 100% feel your pain. I just had half my mouth rebuilt this morning at the dentist, and my face feels like I had a round with Tyson. I hope you have a speedy recovery, Mr. Pink. Love your content! Your attention to detail and doing the job correctly sold me on your(well, back when you were with T) channel.
I don't like to admit it but the coyote has the most distinctive sound which I always appreciate 😅
Yeah, i love the sound
It's the only engine of the three that has a howl.
I love the sound pf the coyote too, better than the others
Engine masters took a Eagle Hemi from a Ram, added long tube headers and a comp cam. With the stock intake, it made 500 hp.
Congrats on winding down a brilliant series. You did all the things! American iron isn't even my thing but I've loved this set of builds and comparison! Very enlightening and quite fascinating. On to the next!
If you get a truck Coyote, get the 2015 and up f150 because the Gen 2 and 3 Coyotes have better bottom ends. Also if you plan to stay Naturally aspirated get a mustang Coyote because they have better cams and a Cam job on a Coyote is expensive. You dont need to upgrade the Oil pump gears. They break when you bounce it off the rev limiter. Have your tuner put a soft rev limiter in, where it cuts gas.
The have better rods than a gen 1 mostly. Gen 3 got built in water jacket supports.
I went fully forged Gen 3 with Gen 2 heads in my 2013 GT. We did some ego pulls and got easily 1100 wheel with a 3.0 whipple on e85. Turned it down to 900 for the street.
But you are one of the few people who are correct about the oil pump gears. Unless you’re bouncing off a limiter or a two-step, you don’t need oil pump gears. I’ve never known anyone to break theirs. Even dudes running mid 9’s with a completely stock, gen 2 motor.
Best motor fords ever made
Cheers
@@robfeldschun6146 Roush has been selling boosted coyotes since 2011 with out changing the oil pump gears.
Since the coyote is more the new kid on the block, I can't wait to see what comes of it. Ford is way late to the crate motor game, but seeing how much Ford's putting to it. Im really excited
I stayed Mopar for my swap with no regrets but I also have a gen 3 Coyote in my garage too and that engine is amazing. Depending on your build, it may be worth the trouble.
U wanna sell your engine I gotta 3v I’m trynna swap?
If you put the right gearing in, nothing sounds like the Coyote. But the project I want to do is a Fiero, so I'll be going with an LS4.
If you're a Ford loyalist you also now have the option of the Godzilla.. Which is basically Ford's version of the LS just more expensive, and nearly unavailable second hand as of yet. The Coyote is around 29 inches wide at the VC's. where as the Godzilla which has a 7.3 liter displacement is just over 24.5 inches wide at the VC's. Mind bottled!!
Saw mention of "Godzilla" elsewhere. Thought they were talking about the GTR. 😅
Ironically it took someone with a GTR avatar explaining this to make sense.
The Godzilla will get clapped by a small block Hemi anyway.
@@PyroBlonde77775.0s handle hemis no problem
The ls is a copy of the Ford windsor. So the godzilla is a copy of a ls which is a copy of a ford to begin with.
Depends if your racing or towing...I agree on racing but when towing you need displacement
Great video.. Jared just as a correction the modular motor 4.6 did not come in the Mustang until 1996 up until that point it was the overhead valve 5.0. As for the rest of the Lincoln Mercury lineup it was developed in 1990 calendar year for the first model year of the 1991 town car.
For most people cost is the #1 factor. Anyone can pick up an LS truck engine for $400 and spend $2000 in high end parts to have an amazing engine easily running 500-700hp. For the Coyote and Hemi, you're looking at minimum $2000 right out of the gate just for the engine, and then another $3-5K+ for the parts to get it to the same power level, plus spending twice as much time to get it there due to complicated nature of them.
Well most 5.0 engines come with over 400hp so it won’t be much to get to the 500hp mark .. a normal ls from a truck is around 300hp . A hemi is around 370hp it will coast most to build a hemi to get around 500 hp unless u go with a scat pack engine and that version isn’t competitive you can’t get big power out of them without swapping out the internals which is more expensive than just building a regular 5.7 hemi .. the 5.0 has the most potential and is the better option but the ls is cheaper and can still get as much power than both .. but still won’t handle as much power as a coyote .. the 5.0 is more expensive because it’s on another playing field in a league of its own .. you get what you pay for
@@samadagoat7769I couldn't have said it better 👍🏾
Gets the same power level right out of the gate.read way more than the l.s.
Nah 400 bucks for hemi running
@@samadagoat7769damn actually like that point pf view
Thanks Jared for the engine lessons. Very informative video. Lots of knowledge to absorb. Much appreciated!
Between the LS, HEMI, and Coyote. It depends on how big your wallet is. People like me have to go LS. Or should I say the Vortec truck version. People with money can do whatever
Cool can hardly wait for your build of the 300 in line. Probably the best engine that Ford ever produced.
Thanks Jared - that really REALLY helped in an overview. I am a ricer/euro at heart, but love Hemi's - so this was great.
As a super anti ford guy I’ll say, if a coyote fits it’s definitely worth a thought, they are fantastic engines. My chassis only would take the LS or a k series so those are all I’ll ever consider.
If you can fit an ls. Check the Ford 6.8 and 7.3 super duty engines- they are very similarly sized to an ls.
@@djmtndew dumb question time...7.3 Powerstroke or 7.3 Godzilla?
@@desertsavagery the Boss/Zilla gassers .. they are literally require 1.5 inches of height, 1.5in width and 1inch length more than an ls if I'm remembering correctly.
There is no way you're fitting a 455 cu in International diesel into the Space of an ls. Never mind even if you could get the basic engine packaged in the same space which you couldn't no sir... You'd be unable to make any actual power because you wouldn't have room to plumb your intercooler and charge pipes.
Then - you have the fact that any power you do manage to make if you make a 7.3 idi turbo or powerstroke. Fit you get charge air taken. Care of you manage to make power..... you will be giving it up to the huge weight penalty in the case of the diesel.....
But the last thing is - we're talking like for like here apples for apples gas for gas.... I wouldn't put a diesel in anything other than a serious work truck or pulling tractor other wise I will always prefer gasoline and ethanol- I'm also interested in running LPG. But.... it waits until I get my license back.
Import a Barra.
@@djmtndew The Godzilla eats dog turds
I'm a dodge guy so love the hemi, but respect all for their accessibility and tuneability. But if i were to build a car right now on my budget whatever body I start with, it'd have to have an LS in it, because of what you said about package size, availability as well as most of the aftermarket support.
LS should win-- If you factor in cost, availability, power, aftermarket parts support, reliability, size, weight.
But thank God we have a choice of great engines to choose from 👍👍
wishing you a full & quick recovery Jared.
Get better and so glad to see some truthful advise about the three main 'Murican Motors you ran. Also grats on the 400k man!!! So glad to see your channel growing.
I mounted my coyote upside down. The tires rub a little on the valve covers during a tight turn. I have a deep sump intake manifold.
Did you have to increase the fuel pressure to defeat gravity through the intake manifold?
Hope your recovery goes quick. Remember to prioritize your health over us needy viewers!
Good day, Jared. Hope you recover well and soon!
This was an informative video for all gearheads (and even some of us that are not). A good comparison in a brief summary!
I think I will just keep my 2JZ-GTE with a ported race head!! I was fortunate that you found that one and got it installed! BTW - I retired myself and the Supra from the road course a few years ago so they can both survive a bit longer!
Hey Jared! Hows it going? Hyped for this vid. Thanks for being an inspiration for all of us who get stuck in a rut. Not just informational, but motivational!
Jarrod, this was by far your best series. Congratulations on such a big accomplishment! Please make more cool content like this!
I really hope this build continues to progress as time goes on. Maybe a designated set of rims/tirea and a full interior. Excited for whata to come
I don't know about power but the Coyote in my service truck has 340k miles and has only had oil changes, an alternator and some coil packs replaced. I know it has slightly less compression and milder cams than the Mustang version but this has been a really good engine.
I'm pretty certain that nobody is concerned with the engine repair cost on a truck pushing 400k miles. 😉
@SpaceCoastMiniBikes a truck approaching 400k miles that needs engine work is most likely salvage yard bound. At that point, a new or different truck altogether is the more economical move.
Yes, ls engines are cheaper in general.
@@SpaceCoastMiniBikes Well if an engine goes 400,000 miles I don’t think I really care how expensive it is to fix anymore. Time for a new truck. I have 3 relatives that blew up their ls trucks before 150k miles. Boop, $6k out the door to get their money’s worth out of the truck. That’s real world math, facts are facts.
As Mr. Regular of Regular Car Reviews always says: “On a Long Enough Timeline; Everything gets an LS” but if you want to make BIG power using forced induction, then get an iron block Vortec truck engine because the block can handle all of the boost!
Great video sir. I really appreciate all the great content you give us. Sure hope your recovery goes well.
Not sure what you had done but after a brain hemorrhage, broken neck and multiple back procedures take your time so the recovery goes well and you come back as healed as possible.
I knew his favorite was the LS before even watching, because it was first in the thumbnail image then the Hemi and coyote was last in order. Sure enough that was the exact order the engines finished in his comparison.
Personally I would only put a Ford in a Ford a Chevy in a Chevy a Dodge in a Dodge. However if I was putting a V8 in an import that choice would be harder.
Another one of my favorite CZcamsrs has put an LS4 into a Triumph GT6 swap that is being backed up by a T-5. It was chosen because it was quite a bit less expensive than other all-aluminum choices. So, it's possible, it just takes some work.
In a Triumph GT6 that's unreal, a friend had one and let me loose in it a few times until it had a fault and his bosses stopped paying his fuel bill at 6 miles to the gallon he took it off the road then sold it for a more modern car as work wouldn't give him a van as he blew 3 in 2 months but was the best they could find.
Still my pick for one of the prettiest cars ever built.
A Tremec T-5? Whew... good luck.
@@ItsDaJax, it's a budget build. He's doing it in a one car garage, and an angle grinder and welder are about the most sophisticated tools he has. I think maybe the plan is to run the T-5 for a while and save up for a TKX. There is just not much room...
@@TheKiltedYaksman1 I only say that because a stock or near stock 302 can kill one, and that's with under 200hp. Somebody in another video comment section said the stock 262 in a Blazer can kill one- which is funny to me. It's mainly the third gear synchro that goes out. Even funnier is that they're still considered weak, why doesn't Tremec do whatever they did to the t56 to make it stronger? The t56 is just a t5 with an extra od and it doesn't have that issue.
I've loved this series from start to finish. Looking forward to watching you get the International back up and running.
Oh crap! So glad to hear you're recovery is going well Jared. 👍🏻
I love Chevys and I prefer gm products but I can’t deny that the coyote and hemi are both great engines and offer a similar bang for your buck. They have their powers at different rpms and what not but they’re all very very capable engines.
I agree with your opinion on these engines and the platform you are swapping into. I am doing a coyote swap into a fox body, sheesh, it has been tough. I have not done swaps with the ls or hemi, but the sheer size of em is obvious. The electronic portion has been the longest part yet and can get pricey depending on what route you take like plug n play, from original harness or somewhere in-between. Great video and I appreciate the opinion especially in the maintenance category. Keep up the great work.
00:54 Best of luck in your recovery, Jared. You rock, but can only keep rocking if you heal up properly.
Thanks for the research you have done. Love the result.
Had both Studebaker and Packard merged together with Hudson and Nash along with Kaiser and Jeep to form AMC in 1954 then man AMC would've had its own modern V8 to compete with the LS, Hemi, and Coyote as well.
I saw the pop up and I clicked it! Sorry work. Questionable choices were made 😂
Such a rebel.
Hey Jared. Look after you, mate; we’re not just here for the cars, we kinda like you too 😉😁 I wish you a speedy recovery. All best wishes
Lot of great info for this newbie. Thanks for taking the time to make this video!
Glad it was helpful!
Such a plethora of knowledge! 😁
Thanks for the tips!
Just for clarification, the 4.6 Mod was introduced in 1996 model year in the SN95. 93 was the last year of the Fox. 94-95 still had a SBF 5.0 with a modified intake. The 4.6 PI was intro'd in the 99 model year.
The 4.6 Mod was first introduced in 1991 in the Lincoln Town car. Also My 1995 Cougar is a 4.6 car.
that's a terrible clarification.
@@RyuFlynn1992.
My 94 T bird was a 4.6L ... that was the first one I ever saw.
@@Rob-tl9md I freely admit that my thinking is Mustang-centric and excludes the Lincoln line up al together
I've always been a Ford Man. The Coyote is just too damn big, complicated and expensive. Ford's Godzilla is a more conventional platform and once more support becomes available for it will be a more practical swap candidate. Plenty of potential with it.
Wow never heard someone so knowledgeable about so many engines. Breath taking.
LS = A great option for just about any project vehicle.
Hemi = One mistake costs you $3K.
Coyote = You can't afford one, and it won't fit.
Awesome content as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along.
Best overall is the LS. it's not. even a question. It's not even a discussion. Are the other two good? Heck yes, they're awesome. But in terms of sheer aftermarket support. I mean, come on 🤷♂
Thanks for sharing your engine swap experience in this video.
Good stuff. With the Hemi now being the final, hopefully you can get it perfectly to your liking.
Awesome video Jared. My brother managed to do a Coyote swap into his Foxbody Drift car. Nice thing about that engine over a built 302. Is stock power is great enough to get the car sideways. Without placing greater risk on the health of the engine, as the engine is still running on stock power.
Still, compared to the Windsor, and LS engines, there's plenty of reasons why coyotes are the least common swap engines like it or not. As far as modern engines go, the LS is number #1. Even though I'm a Ford guy(own a '89 Notchback )ever since the foxes were new. Ford hasn't built a decent affordable power plant since they let go of the Windsor. The Mod motors were a let down. Many mustang guys went LS after Ford went 4.6L. I'll keep building my Windsors.
@@erikturner5073 personally I like the Windsors too. My 89 hatch currently has a 302 with exploror heads and intake. My first time building a engine and it hasn't blown up yet. Though it's just a stock rebuild with a few goodies inside.
Dude I'm a Chevy man, but you're right. That hemi sounds amazing
Absolutely! I've always been a Chevy guy but I definitely thought the Hemi sounded the best.
@@deviantarsenal never been that technical with anything, I just know there's something to the firing order, or scavenging but I wonder if a guy could Frankenstein the two together and make something unique. Just throwing it out there. 😆
Oohhh can’t wait to get into this. Excellent work to do all three. Awesome.
I love that you left out the K24. Although it might of worked in the Duster. Light and snappy. But I do like dodge in a dodge car.
Cool video, the coyote is certainly neat, but for engine swaps, it's tough to beat a compact pushrod V8.
I would've skipped the coyote and gone with a gas 7.3 or a 5.0/5.8 Windsor with aftermarket heads/crank/etc. It would be neat to see how pushrod fords would've done against those other pushrod V8s.
The coyote fits fine in fox bodies and all the sn95 and s197 mustangs it will fit fine in alot of things. This shouldn't be an issue unless you're trying to fit it somewhere where it won't fit which is prob not that many vehicles. Prob not best for a miata.
Personal favorite is the coyote. I daily a 5.0 F150 and it is honestly AMAZING performance wise for a full size truck. Will say, the other 2 are amazing motors and I don't think there's a bad choice for a swap
Sounds awesome brother, I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 158,000 miles and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust on it as well.
Great power, sounds amazing, and the best feature.... Good on fuel.
@@Zach-ju5vi Amen, gotta love the 5.0L Coyote V8 mate.
First year of mod motor in a Mustang was 1996. The first two years of the SN95 chassis, 94 and 95, used the old pushrod 5.0 from the fox body. In 1996 Ford switched to the 4.6 mod engine.
I was actually pondering the idea of a gen 3 5.7 hemi in my 92 c1500 street truck.
With the exhaust you put on it i think the hemi did sound best but the 5.0 was second. But the sound can always change with different brands and styles.
The coyote did sound great at 7300rpm
@TheQuestionableGarage I'm a mustang and mostly 4.6 guy for sound. And don't care much for the new 5.0 just because everyone puts straight x pipes and they just rasp way too much. But it's hard to make a hemi sound bad no matter what.
That was my ranking too. The Hemi had a beefier sound overall, but the Coyote when wound up was great too.
Dont forget in that hemi the terrible oiling problems they had/have broken manifold bolts and dont forget the wiped out cams.
Of course fixable and preventable but still. Also delete dod in the ls
That is a good point, the hemi tick, and the dod issues of the ls.
Also I believe a popular mod on the 5.0 is locking out cam phasers.
What’s was the terrible oiling issues of the hemi?
Exhaust manifold bolts broken in the hemi is a annoy problem but far easier to repair when compared to the LS that also breaks exhaust manifold bolts.
Cam/lifter issues are also present in the AFM LS also.
Newer early hemis basically relay on the splashing of oil to oil the cam shaft. They eat cams and lifters because the oil passages basically run along the cam completely missing it.
Hi Jared nice video 📹 and workmanship love all those engines !!!!
Great informative video!
FYI - The LS4 is the most common LS swap for the DeLorean community. We put a GTO front sump oil pan on it and use adapters to connect the LS4 to either Renault UN1 or Porsche G96 or G50 transaxle. Most of us run them naturally aspirated. Most upgrade the cam shaft, a few bore them from 5.3 to 5.7, one owner has his 5.3 with a supercharger connected to a G96 making over 520 horsepower to the wheels. There is a 383 stroker kit available for the LS4, but I don't think anyone in the DeLorean community has done that yet. I'm still building my DeLorean and had my engine rebuilt locally keeping it 5.3 liters with a cam from Texas Speed. I anticipate 430 horsepower at the crank and I'm using the Renault UN1 transaxle. Which should work very well, as long as I don't drive like an idiot.
Price and Ease of Installation and Maintenance are the Two Most Important Factors. LS and Hemi are Top Two Motors.
LS's are great engines, they've just been done to death in my opinion. You go to a custom car show anymore and the owner's really don't even have to have their hoods open. You can bet your last dollar whatever the year, make, and model, it's likely going to have an LS in it. At this point I'd swap just about anything else just be different.
I'm with you on that. I was happy to see Rob Dahm's Rotary swapped Corvette and Skye at Reignited youtube channel that swapped a Hemi in a 80's Chevy Pickup exactly for that reason.
Glad you’re on the mend. You make sure you follow Doctor’s orders.
I remember reading in the 90’s that there were enough Chevy small block v8’s produced over the years that if you lined them all up end to end, they would stretch across the United States coast to coast 3 times.
4.6 2v is honestly a great swap for many applications. You don’t need crazy horsepower to have fun but you can boost them very reliably to 400whp and with 4.10 gears it is a lot of fun
But it still sounds like a 2v. 🤮
and are still huge engines, thus a pita to swap.@@ChinookBear
Very good information Jared. I love how you explain everything in everyday terms. Keep up the great content.
Great recap on these engines. Keep healing, you look like you’re getting your mojo back. Can’t wait for your next episode
Dude this is a kick ass vid thank you my man🙏🏼
Awesome!! This felt really fair. I am a mopar guy. But there is no doubt the LS is the smartest choices in most cases. The 5.0 is great just more complex in always.
Not to mention that GM does a lot more to support the race enthusiasts.
GM hasn’t done nothing in years for car enthusiasts using the LS
@@Chrisdownsytbecsuse they already hsve evrrything
The Coyote can make big block power, but it comes at big block pricing and size.
It's crazy how I agree 100%. Including still preferring the 6.4 hemi over the ls
One of your best videos, everything explained beautifully. Of course it’s easier to like because I 100% agree with your findings.
Today every company builds a great V8 option for racing. It comes down to what you can afford or fit in the your vehicle of choice. That being said, I'll take the gen 3 Hemi every single time. You can't beat their head flow and an iron block is suitable for boost. I'll pay the premium every chance I get lol.
Iron blocks are dated, Brett in Snot Rocket uses a Ford OEM block making 2600whp
@@169abr Yeah, after skirting them. Iron isn't outdated. It's still stonger. That being said, aluminum is lighter and has its applications. The 5th gen Viper handles 3500hp on factory aluminum block. You can also buy billet stuff that's pretty strong.
@@PyroBlonde7777 I’ve never heard Brett say if the block is skirted, multiple times it’s been said it’s a 5.2 Predator block straight from Ford with thicker walls to make it a 5.0 and ofc all the wild internals and stuff. I believe Lund’s is the same iirc and stock 5.0 blocks have been well over 1000whp multiple times.
I’m waaayyyyyy too broke to afford all that billet stuff but I appreciate the artistry and skill of it.
I have done swaps with all these motors whatever the customer bring is what I’m working with. But I got to say the LS engine is one of my favorites due to all the accessories that are available for this engines different water pumps , head swapping ,different alternators different brackets exhaust manifolds are endless. And very easy to make motor mounts but the majority of the time these engine mounts are available already.
Which would you say is the most reliable on the daily for the longest prolly the ls right?
Wow, Great Stuff. Thanks, Jared!
Thank you for confirming what I was thinking good info too thanks again.
The traditional 5.0 lived in the mustang until 1995 which was the second year of the SN95. 1996 was the first year for the 4.6L mod motor in a mustang
Also the Windsor 5.0 was in Mustangs since '68 and all rwd plarforms .Lincolns since '80 to '90! Then the Modulars in '91 Town Car.
My go-to swap has been the Ford 7.3 Godzilla. From the factory it comes with forged internals and can handle a ton of boost. From what I've been seeing is a cam, headers, intake manifold, throttle body and a tune and you're making stupid amounts of power on a stock block and heads. :)
the cost to swap them is just way too insane. just starting with the fact you need an aftermarket intake to fit under any normal hood.
Great video brother. Thank you for your time.
SN95, SN95 New Edge, S197 (11-14 was like the new edge as it was a body redesign also Gen 1 and 1.5 Coyote), S550 (Gen 1.5, 2, and 3 Coyote), and now S650 (Gen 3 and 4)
Coyote is a decent choice for a Ford…Especially in states that outlaw other makes being swapped into the car like Oregon for example…
Is that really a thing?
The 4.6 Ford V8 is to this day my favorite Ford motor simply because you cannot kill those motors. Yes they are severely underpowered, Yes they don't rev really high, and yes they do have spark plug issues. Other than all that they are very reliable motors (for the most part), you can make big power with them, and they make pretty good low end torque. But for me, I'm a Chevy guy. I will always choose an LS motor over everything including the hemi.
Spark plug issues are the 5.4 & 6.8
They have squashed the spark plug issue years ago. There are guys racing these engines now with well over a 1000 horsepower. Worlds Fastest 4.6 is just one of those guys
I'm still surprised the Navigator 5.4 isn't a more common swap. They can run 4.6 4V performance parts and Coyote intakes.
And with the proper header/exhaust they sound amazing.
Hope you feel better soon. Great series. Thanks.
Thank you!
I fondly remember that new Hemi era when I was in high school. Had a buddy with an old 1-ton Chevy with a 454, he thought it was untouchable. He decided for some reason beyond us to challenge a granny in her new Ram half-ton at a red light...granny left him in the dust. When they met up at the next red light, granny just smiled and pointed down to the "HEMI" badge on her truck. This was a small town of about 36,000 with plenty of witnesses, word spread fast! 😂
Bwahhahah epic story!
For old vehicles like this would the Ford Godzilla 7.3 be an easier fit since it's also pushrod? I know aftermarket support isn't going to be as strong but if you want to keep a Ford in a Ford it might be an option.
Not just yet, they need to have the cost come down before they are a Everyman engine. Currently they are similar or slightly more expensive to swap than a coyote. I’m really excited to see them start to come down as more support happens!
Godzilla is longer, taller, and +100lbs heavier than the Coyote. Mast Motorsports has a good comparison drawing.
But yes, people are making +1,000hp easily with a Godzilla using rods, pistons, and cam.
If you're just an average person and average income, most people only have 1 option... Budget friendly, I dig the new godzilla, but when you can buy a car and ls swap it for the price of just a Ford motor, isn't applicable for everyone.
@@joshuasalvage4717That's what some people don't get about the LS; it's no longer boutique, simply a means to an end. It's Levi jeans when you need a pair of pants quickly and cheap.
Excellent video sir. Keep them coming.
You also need to think about your power goals. Are you looking to make 500 wheel NA? or 1000 wheel with boost? Depending on which motor you choose it could be the difference between forged internals and a cam, or not touching any of those things.
I think the LS is the best swap, because of reliability, parts are eazy to find and they are not very difficult to work on. I just makes sense
I'm not a mechanic and have zero experience when it comes to deep car knowledge. The current engine in my car, the m271 Supercharged 1.6 liter i4 found in the W204 C180 Kompressor is relatively more simple compared to these.
Could I maintain something like this on my own?
@@khumokwezimashapa2245 easily but it's also gonna come down to where you are if you're in Europe an LS isn't gonna be in your pocket books best interest ... Where's your kompressor motor will have more parts at a junkyard, first thing a budget build needs is parts that are abundant in Europe a Chevy motor isn't gonna be plentiful... Here in America we're not finding lots of parts for a supercharged 1.4 liter Mercedes. But as far as simplistically speaking the LS is a walk in the park naturally aspirated.. when you start adding boost you're gonna need tuning experience because timing and fueling need to be spot on you run too rich you'll end up with oil that turns to gas run to lean and kaboom ...
@@edpenkalski8937 Thanks. I live in South Africa and basically know no one with any LS knowledge. I'll have to check my local forums for that one.
Yet when you factor in the amount of MODs needed to get the engine's into making the power you want, the Coyote needs so little compared to the other two. That has been shown by many builders. Coyote just puts out the power with minimal MOD needed, basically a tune and E85 for NA or boost it and tune for 1,000 HP on stock parts. The other two require many parts to keep it together or even come close the the results of less means more.
Yes and the coyote cost$$$ BIG,,,,,,,LS $1000 junk yard and $500 eBay turbo and make 600HP for $2000 and small package….
U can buy a coyote for less than 5k
@@299charles those mods in the real world is more like 5k. also more work and time.
@@299charlesthere's no such thing as a 500 turbo. You need hot and cold side pipping, wastegate or blow off valve, tuning and a few other parts To make that 500 turbo work on top of all the time of putting it toghter. I've seen guys put the ls-junkyard turbo combo together and mysteriously it came out to a 10k build that netted 650hp. Where you can get a coyote now for 2-3k. a control pack for 2k and a paxton for 6k a really good fuel system for 2k and you can make 8-900hp all day long. As long as you don't bounce it off the revlimiter.
I've got two project cars I'm not working on - so that comment hit hard. A 68 Corvette, which is mine; and a '53 Studebaker truck, that I bought to rebuild/modify with Dad. I'll get to both of those after the deployments. Looking forward to them, in fact! Everybody go have fun - that's the best part of questionable choices!!