i think it’s quite weird how people are always complaining that she’s never put family first and then for one time when she did, y’all started complaining again
The Queen could have very very easily given a statement and still looked after William and Harry. She doesn’t even write her statements. She couldn’t even be bothered to have one of her secretaries write something for Diana in the days following her death. This is horrible behaviour. We had just heard from Diana all that the Queen and Charles had put them through. Publicly, the attitude towards the royals was already soured. What the Queen did was treat Diana like she was just some other woman, not a member or the royal family - not the mother of a future king, grandmother of all future heirs, just like the Queen is. The public was devastated and they reached out to their Queen for support. She showed none until she was forced to. Not even a statement. So yeah, the royal family was even more fucked after that. I honestly don’t think it fully recovered until Harry and William got older. As you can see in this scene, the Queen isn’t spending every waking moment with the boys. It would’ve been beyond easy for her to release a statement. “Putting family first” was the excuse not to come to London - it had nothing to do with publicly acknowledging and mourning Diana’s death in some way.
@@Bubble170 Diana was no longer an HRH, and was allowed to keep her title as a courtesy. It was not the Queens responsibility to make a statement on her death. Diana had wanted a private family funeral, but the public refused to let it happen.
@@jacobwhite4895What drivel. How could she dictate her own funeral at that unpredictable point in her life? Maybe, but highly unlikely in 1996-97. If based on a will, context was probably under the expectation she'd be buried in the 21st century as mother of the sitting monarch and not 1 year after her divorce.
She was right to care most for her grandsons, who had lost their mother. Where she went wrong was not to say that to the British people. She stayed with the Royal tradition of silence and dignity, and that is usually right and Constitutionally necessary - but it didn't meet the circumstances.
I wholly agree with this. Like any family that's lost a loved one, there is a certain expectation that you would offer them, in addition to compassion and condolences, some privacy; but given the sheer magnitude of Diana's notoriety and legacy in the UK and around the world, those kinds of gestures to a family mourning, in the MILLIONS, would've started to approach an almost hysterical level of intrusiveness pretty quickly. I think perhaps she expected that the restraint and stoic manner she outwardly portrayed was what the rest of the World should've mimicked, but exactly as you say 'didn't meet the circumstances'.
I liked that the British people showed their fealings for Diana, by crying and laying tons of flowers infront of her residence. One thing I’ll never forget is, that after the ceremony in the church when her casket was driven “home” the car had to stop so many times to remove flowers from the front window.
@@kille7543 We loved Diana as Blair said she was the people's Princess she embraced us warmly and related to us. That's why 25 years later she is still loved and adored by us. I agree with the Queen shielding William and Harry from the media and the public they were kids for god sake and grieving for their mother the public had no right to demand they be paraded to them. However I think the Queen could have released a statement and the public would have been fine with that but the media stirred it up and caused a shit storm to sell papers because they also had blood on their hands with how they constanty went after Diana they were passing the buck to the royals and thats unfair when both the RF and media treated her badly
Ignoring all the disgusting comments below, I do find it interesting how they shot Blair's and the Queen's scenes in different ways. The Queen's scenes have high FPS film and classic mounted cameras, while Blair's scenes have low FPS film with more modern handheld cameras. It really gives a nice, subtle feeling of two different worlds colliding. Kudos.
@@amandeepsinghchanna5384 Look carefully at Tony Blair's shots, the background seems to move with him. Instead, the Queen's shots have a still background.
Did you mean the reverse for the framerate? Theatrical features classically have a framerate of 24 FPS which is considered low. Television broadcasts and home video have higher framerates of 29.97 FPS for NTSC regions such as the USA and 25 FPS for PAL regions such as the UK. Most digital video such as on CZcams varies and can be set, but it’s rare to see them above 60 FPS. I can only think of a few notable HFR movies and they were the Hobbit series and the recent Gemini Man.
I love how throughout the scene she frequently adjusts her equipment like her glasses and the items on her desks. It further emphasises just how difficult this moment is for her, to attempt change after decades of firm tradition and dignity. Stephen Frears and Helen Mirren are masters at their craftsmanship.
Precisely. There’s a sense of trying to preserve routine, order and control, against the pressures of emotion and chaos. Even though I vividly remember the actual events surrounding Diana’s death, what I love most about his film is how lost in the story and the players you become, almost forgetting that you’re not watching the actual Queen.
I was reading that was Helen mirrens idea. In her researching the Queen and speaking to people who know her she came away with the belief that the queen has OCD, which is possibly true considering how organized and disciplined she is. So nice little touches that make perfect sense and make her relatable.
@@ColliCub and when people are uncomfortable and dealing with anxiety they will Often retreat into doing familiar tasks. People who watch the same show over and over again for example, it is often a sign of anxiety. They find comfort in what’s familiar.
@Erik-ht3vo When she was a little girl, she was scrupulously neat and ordered in everything. It was this attention to detail, among other things, that made her grandfather, George V, comment "I pray to God that nothing comes between [her] and the throne."
long live the queen! even Prince William recently said she was right and was only trying to look after her grandsons. And she is still here long after all these politicians!
All of you who are commenting about what happened in 1997 and what was portrayed in the film are entirely missing the point. Had the Queen remained silent, had she not fly the flag at half mast above Buckingham Palace, and had she not traveled to London to give a televised speech and attend the funeral, there would have been a constitutional crisis and the possibly to an end of the monarchy. The reality was, 1 in 4 people wanted to end the monarchy. As sovereign and head of state, her role as Queen always comes first. Duty first and self second. The fact that all of you advocating her staying at Balmoral that week in 1997 just shows that you don’t understand how the British monarchy works. She had no choice but to respond. The Crown takes precedence, even over tending to personal matters with her family.
I have to agree with the Queen. Why should she put the people's grief before the grieves of her grandsons? The people lost an idol, a celebrity, someone who comes and goes in people's eyes. The princes lost a mother, that is forever. Isn't that more important?
the RF didnt do ANYTHING though, that was the problem. Princess Diana died, and they shut right up, as if to say, "we don't care". had the palace posted a bulletin, as they often do, saying that they asked for "privacy during this time", it would have said something. but yes, mother first, celebrity second.
The Queen is NOT a celebrity. She is a public figure. As for the comment that suggested that the Royal Family killed Princess Diana.... that's just looking for somebody to blame. It was a very tragic event which you can't accept. Any suggestion that she was assassinated by the Queen, Prince Phillip, MI6 etc is just very silly.
She was absolutely right, her people (and the world in general) lost a princess... her grandsons lost THEIR MOTHER!!! they needed her way more than her kingdom in that moment, she had her priorities straight. As far as I know, this is the only time she put her family first than her people.
usagi18 it takes 5 minutes to make a statement expressing grief and saying that she needs to be with her family. 60 million UK citizens were grieving the loss of a member of the Royals, the mother of the future King, and the Queen acted like she didn’t care. That really hurt her people. Yes, she needed to put her grandsons first, but she is also a monarch, and one statement would’ve meant the absolute world to the UK. But she said NOTHING. Showing zero grief for the one person who has actually made the royal family loved again was a massive mistake. Is this how she would want people to be when she dies? Her whole family just saying nothing? She’s the fucking Queen. For the first time EVER, the public were feeling grief all together. The entire nation was broken, and the Queen could’ve taken that opportunity to show her people that she cares about them as well. One statement. She didn’t even have to do the speech or some to London, if she had actually expressed her need to be with her grandsons. But she didn’t. She did not bother. She’s sitting here with her husband doing NOTHING, she isn’t actively comforting the boys. She had the time to show solidarity and she fucking didn’t. She expected people to bottle up their feelings. She expected people to not care about Diana or the royals. And you know what? Nobody gives a shit anymore about the Queen. Nobody will mourn this way when she dies. That’s what she wanted.
@@Bubble170 In terms of the points she made, she was indeed 100% correct in her first refusal to sensationalise Diana's death. The media as usual took this death and turned it on the Queen, which she did not deserve one bit. It was Diana's family wish for her to have a private funeral and burial, not to mention the scarring HELL her CHILDREN were put through having to be put on display during the worst time of their lives at that point for the 'good of the people'. I'm sorry, but since when does public love come before that of a family and that if the deceased persons children. If the public wish to greive l, fine let them do so. But don't drag the name of a lady who has given her entire life to service 24/7 non-stop on the go since most likley before you were born. She has always been there for the UK, helping them through hard times and to multiple charities worldwide. Your claims that she does not care and that she was 'sitting doing nothing' are 100% unfounded. If it was the Family's wish for her death to be private as well as her children's, that should've been bloody respected, instead of trying to take a big step in front of the children and family in order to put yourself before them. Selfishness. Selfishness. Selfishness.
If you knew anything about the Queen it’s that The Crown always comes first and foremost. ALWAYS. She didn’t really give a crap about William and Harry. She just loathe Diana and has such anger in her heart at what Diana “did to them”.
The way she walks breaks me every time. She nailed Queen Elizabeth. I have long hoped this was the beginning of Hollywood's new era for not-so-young-anymore actresses, as a reminder that great actors, like fine wine, get better with time. And yet, it seems it worked very well for Helen, Meryl, and maybe someone else.
It's hard to believe that once upon a time the two most popular Hollywood actors were Marie Dressler and Wallace Beery. Both older and neither glamorous. Beery was described as having a face like a clenched fist and Dressler matched him perfectly. What they had though was character, the ability to play any role in any genre and genuine likeability.
The Queen passed away today. Her passing was a great loss to the UK, the Commonwealth, and the whole world! Thank you for your 70-year humble service. You’re always my Queen. God Save the Queen!
@Ortega Leyva Toys You have no idea what their life is like, do you? You think it's all fancy and being pampered? Come on, it's not a fairy tale. They have a lot of duties - and a very strict etiquette htey have to follow, no matter what. Sure, they have a lot of staff who take care of many everyday things for them - but there is the other side. No freedom, no privacy - and you always have to put the duty first. It's not like the life of the Hollywood celebrities. The monarchy is very, very different. Just look at Meghan - she couldn't handle it and they left the whole country. That should tell you something.
@Ortega Leyva Toys oh, jeez, drop that communist BS about the rich and such. Thr queen is a head of state, every day of her life. Period. Not some russian millionaire. Not that their lives are so easly lately... dropping off ships so frequently in the last few weeks. The queen however lives on the budget the parliament votes for, I bet her financies were more transparent than most of leading politicians'...
@@flav2689 well what DOES/DID her majesty & the royal family of 🇬🇧 do exactly? Personally I don't really know the Queen doing anything special (or important) Especially since my cousins in England 🇬🇧 say the monarchy are "glorified statues" or something (meaning they don't do anything)
As a kid I remember the shock of Princess Diana passing, being that she was so young, the royal family being at Balmoral I think was understandable to most people. Even a young me. Her Majesty did the respectable and rational thing.
There was a moment that echoed it recently (I wonder if the person had seen the film?) where Charles was visiting the people at the gates and taking the flowers for the Queen and someone said, no your Majesty, they're for you.
At this time, our focus is on the people of Israel and the horror that the arabs and hamas are inflicting on them, espeically October 7th. We will watch this film, but at a later date. I stand with Israel. Always.
Wow, letting your hate for israel shine though eh! Instead of showing empathy and understanding of how I feel, you decide to shame me as a cover for what is only underlying hatred of jews. Yes I express my opinon. Yes I am entitled to here in Australia. Maybe in your backwards living leftist country you cant, but I can! Witch.@@harringt100
I’ve seen footage of poor young William and Harry a day before the funeral going out to meet the mourning crowds. People were grabbing at them, screaming and wailing as though they were at a rock concert. So utterly selfish and hysterical, they were children for goodness’ sake!
@@moonlitdesert what I can’t see, as a not British person, is why you always have to ‘protect’ the crown as it was the holy Graal and can’t accept that people are different. That’s the reason why the Royals didn’t like Diana, because she wasn’t the person that they wanted. Plus, from the interviews and statements that I saw and read it’s pretty clear that William and Harry are not embarrassed by their dead mother’s ‘behavior’, given the fact that the duke of Sussex came out with a Nazi uniform and called his fellow soldier in the BA a “paki”. He had his own scandals
@@inigobantok1579 if Diana was having affairs in hte mid 80s that was early in hte marriage - and not exactly trying to make the marriage wrok. And she certainly had affairss after he mid 80s
Well I say that was "Bloody genius!" ;-) Prince Phillip is quite a character, isn't he?! I always found him very funny by being so gumpy, that makes me gigles.
When you think about it, it's actually pretty disgusting that the press effectively nagged Blair and the Prince of Wales into requesting the Queen allow a public ceremony. This in turn required that the entire royal family, INCLUDING the two princes become a spectacle for the mob. As a young boy when this happened, I recall distinctly watching the procession and hearing my mother call out against the Queen as someone who "hated" Diana. I think that given hindsight it's pretty damn clear that the idea that the Queen disliked Diana is something the media invented to sell papers. It makes me wonder whether this was the beginning of the decline of journalism.
@@matteoviola5760 Read The Queen and Di, it is actually about the Queen's relationship with Diana and covers the breakdown of the marriage. The Queen was actually fond of Diana and did everything she could to fix the marriage. But the marriage was beyond fixing. It covers both Charles and Diana's flaws completely. But honestly remember we just really heard one side of the story.
@@lauraschoenborn3544 She tried to fix the marriage because she did not want a divorce at that level in the family.. I think by the time she tried to fix the marriage she was well and truly fed up with Diana and did not really want to keep her in the family other than than for the sake of the children and the monarchy
@@matteoviola5760 The Queen soon got a taste of Diana's medicine, as did anyone associated with Diana. By 1997 anything to do with Diana herself was "Old hat" as far as the Queen was concerned. Yes Diana was troubled, who isn't?, but on top of that she was a troublemaker. You can see this written all over the Queen's face at the time, and Helen Mirren captured it perfectly, right down to the truculent swagger of the Queen's hips in this scene. Blair was a consummate politician, and a damned good one may I add, but the Queen was a woman in her 60s: she knew the score.
Oh honestly the comments here are ridiculous Have any of us met the royals? Not likely - did the queen hate Diana - did the queen hate Margaret - was Diana manipulative - is Meghan a bully - has William cheated on Kate (a Twitter rumour that does the rounds every once in a while) - is there a rift between William and Harry - is Andrew the favourite son - are Beatrice and eugenie stuck up and spoilt? Are they really the “Cinderella stepsisters” All of the above are absolute wank fed to us as a narrative to sell papers And at the core of most of these myths are women so it’s sexist (and in the instance of Meghan racial misogynistic) hogwash
Helen Mirren did play a great role, it really portrayed what the royal family really were like, there are still too many unanswered questions to this day of what really happened.
Being a royal at any senior level requires wearing two hats at the same time. Sometimes, you need to be stoic and duty bound to deal with the public; and other times, you need to tend to family and be comforting. Other times, like this, you'll have to do both
This is a completely and absolutely appropriate decision to keep the two Princes at Balmoral at that time just after losing their Mother. Could you have imagined just how they would have been hounded by, not only the Press but also, a Besotted Public should they [the two Princes and also their Father] have had to travel from Clarence House to Kensington or from Windsor Castle onto Buckingham and so on and so forth? It would have been a horrible spectacle unto itself and sensationalised even further by the Media. To remain at Balmoral Estate at that point in time was the most appropriate reaction for two young boys whom had just lost their Loving Mother and, as their Grandmother, the Queen was well-aware what was best for Her Family. This was indeed one of those extremely and emphatically rare moments where the Queen had put Her Family before Duty (somewhat) and then a few over-eager Critics capitalised on such an instance. ERII may be the Head of State, but I, like many, recognise that, though Her unwavering Kindness and Compassion throughout her continuing Reign, she is certainly a Loving and Devoted Grandparent.
The problem is Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II was brought up to be like a robot, she wasn't supposed to show emotions, like she's at the end of the film: She has a duty to be the Queen and being a queen is all she knows, she didn't know how to react but she did actually learn to love Diana and she was feeling sympathy she just hid it because she didn't want to show her emotions. I have to say, being royal is very hard, it's not an easy job. William was forced to hold back his tears.
I love how a lot of the people commenting are acting like this is a real life conversation. I doubt Blair would have been that direct and I doubt the Queen would have been that snippy or made such a long speech completely off the cuff. :D
Paul2377 The Queen does not put up with rubbish. She is very well informed, in control and in private says what she thinks. She is not an actress. What you see is what you get
dog guy, The Crown is fantasy. It is SO wrong, it is amazing. On the other hand, the Queen as pleased with this film as a fairly accurate portrayal, and invited Helen Mirren to the Palace. At the time, Mirren had signed a contract to be in the US. She DID get a second invitation when it was more convenient.
It's a vision from the point of view of the writers. Creative people are generally very good at taking facts and imagining what 'that must have been like'. Writers and actors truly are the narrators of human behaviour and have a knack for putting themselves in someone else's shoes. For instance; When Meryl Streep was asked how she could mimic accents so well she answered: " I listen". I think that goes for all good actors(such as Mirren); they watch, they listen and when done properly, come very close to the truth. I imagine Elisabeth being quite moved having a group of artists having 'seen and heard' her side during a time when so many of us were blinded and deafened by the war drum of mass hysteria through media and sensationalism.
Her grandchildren came first. Perhaps times have changed and people expect public mourning, but there were two young boys in her care who just lost their mother. Their immediate needs took precedence. I thought then, and still do, that the same compassion and respect for privacy we would expect for ourselves was also due her and her grandchildren.
Vicki Daniels I know, right? She said she wanted to avoid just ‘impersonating’ Queen Elizabeth and copying her personality and mannerisms, to get into character; nobody TRULY knows how or what Her Majesty is thinking privately, but Helen Mirren captured these private and emotional moments beautifully.
An interesting fact about Prince Philip. As a member of the Royal Family of Greece, he was related to the Romanov dynasty that ruled Russia. When Anna Anderson, the elderly woman claiming to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia died, a sample of her DNA was compared to that of Philip. There was no match, and so her case was officially disproved.
From when the modern Greek state was established following independence from the Ottoman Empire in 1829 until the monarchy was abolished in 1975 (even though the military junta was actually in power from 1967 to 1975). The same dynasty reigned in Greece from 1862 to 1975, and were descended from King George I, who had actually been a Danish prince when he was offered the throne of Greece following the abdication of King Otto (a German) in 1862.
Misteeq64 you banned in google? Flibbertigibbet6 not only, there are several more close links - Prince Philip's grandfather king of Greece George I was full brother to Empress Maria Feodorovna, mother of Nicholas II. Also Philip's mother Alisa Battenberg was a grand niece of Empress Maria Alexandrovna, wife of Alexander II. And not forget that queen Elizabeth also is a native to Romanovs, because her grandfather king George V and Nicholas II were cousins (their mothers were sisters)
@@vinllga Easy. Philip’s and the Queen’s respective parents were cousins of the zar Nicolás II. Philip’s great aunt was the Zarina Alexandra wife of the Zar Nicholas II
The queen did the right thing. Grief is private and not something to satiate morbid curiosity of people she’s never met. Additionally the comments here are ridiculous Have any of us met the royals? Not likely - did the queen hate Diana - did the queen hate Margaret - was Diana manipulative - is Meghan a bully - has William cheated on Kate (a Twitter rumour that does the rounds every once in a while) - is there a rift between William and Harry - is Andrew the favourite son - are Beatrice and eugenie stuck up and spoilt? Are they really the “Cinderella stepsisters” All of the above are absolute wank fed to us as a narrative to sell papers And at the core of most of these myths are women so it’s sexist (and in the instance of Meghan racial misogynistic) hogwash
Helen Mirren was fantastic in this movie. I felt sorry for the Queen in all honesty. She was put in a terrible position when Diana died. Not that, that was her fault of course but still. She truly believed her people would support her stiff upper lip stance, and had miscalculated completely the publics reaction and yes grief! She hadn't realised how much they blamed Charles for the breakup of their marriage and for making her very unhappy and for using her as a damned breeding machine for the monarchy. She was so far removed from the people that she totally did not get the 'moon'. Tony Blair was absolutely right only she was to damned proud to admit it. Pride before a fall. If they had left it any longer then the monarchy would've been no more such was the anger at the lack of show of emotion on her part. Apart from anything else this was the mother of her grandchildren and the heir to the throne. Not to mention she had been taken far to soon and far to young and yet nothing. At least in public. Not even a mention of her at their local church which was a mistake in itself. No the Queen mishandled this entire situation badly. As for that idiot of a husband of hers I am not surprised he took the stance he did. He is a bafoon of a man and an adulterer himself. No wonder Charles was the way he was...unfaithful the pair of them. That is a known fact amongst the staff anyway... They keep it a secret but those royal men couldn't be loyal to anyone. Not even their Queen or the church they claim to lead.
Cornwall 58 they did have a statement out - it wasn’t enough for a lunatic raving public who are always celebrity obsessed and wanted to see grieving It wasn’t enough until they had to parade those two boys out and had them console other weeping people
I agree those poor boys shouldn't have had to go out in public. William and Harry have spoken how damaging it was, having to be seen in public - during that walk-around, and the funeral. They were only kids, but people were howling and screaming in front of them, tugging and grabbing at them, making comments about their parents' marriage and how 'unkind' the Royals were to their mother, imploring William to take sides,etc. All that less than a week after losing their mother in such a devastating way. It was like people had got so hysterical, they were selfishly inflicting their own 'needs' and 'wants' on two kids in a destructive way. They forgot these were two children with feelings, who didn't ask to be Royal. If I had been Charles/the Queen, I would have not allowed that walkaround to happen with the boys, regardless of 'constitutional crisis'. I would have stuck to only making adult Royals available.
@@crazyhai6554 Diana didn’t ask to be a Royal too, but people in the comments still crucifying her for no reason. Maybe in 2021 monarchism came to a certain point, right?
I believe in real life this was a very emotional situation for her. I was as she has stated "the worst week of her life". She may very well have broken down.
I think it was six of one, and half a dozen of the other, in why Charles and Diana's marriage broke down (with Charles starting the problems). But that moment, when ur son's ex is killed in a car crash, and u have your child grandsons to comfort. And then a bunch of complete strangers (who saw her in the papers doing charity work, and thought she seemed quite nice), develop mass hysteria, and start weeping in the streets. And they then start demanding u all set aside ur own shock and grief, and travel 500 miles the next day, to comfort them. Then start demanding what type of funeral she should have, etc. And when u won't concede to their demands, they start ringing up the media, demanding u are publicly shamed. Which the media then start doing. I think people sometimes get a little loopy when it comes to the Royals. Despite the Royals' privileges, it's like people sometimes see them more as objects, rather than humans with their own emotional needs.
I agree to a point. But I think Charles and Diana's marraige would have broken down regardless. They were not just somewhat different they were extremely different. But everything else is spot on. I am american, but reading back on that week I found myself embarrassed for the british people because of how the public was behaving.
What an awful, endlessly frustrating ordeal it must be to be born into English royalty. No amount of money is worth all the bullshit that comes with it.
I mean, adult royals are extremely wealthy and can always choose to step down like Harry did. But young royals (like William and Harry were when Diana died) should be left out of it until they turn 18 and get a say on what to do with their lives.
Apart from the fact that I agree completly with The Queen in terms of it being a private matter, since Diana was no longer part of the royal family and her sons being so little and grieving; I also agree on the fact that "...quietly, with dignity. That's what the rest of the world always admired us for" EXACTLY. That's the only admiration we people of the world have for you Brits, the elegance and dignity you handled things with. (Please remark on the past tense of the verb handle).
It was like a weird out of body experience. No one refers to it either anymore, like people are ashamed of it. I think Blair did a lot of harm here, he did NOT have her back.
I'm not British but I did the same when my mother passed away and some people are expecting a big drama over her coffin. I told them I'm not that person. I'd rather grieve her death alone, quietly and with dignity. Just like my mother did when my father passed away.
The British public acted ridiculous about the whole affair. I can understand feeling a bit saddened that a public figure , that one has admired, had been killed in such a tragic way. But the way some of them acted like they were just completely devastated, was totally ridiculous! Furthermore, the Queen was right. Diana was no longer a royal. She had no right to a royal state funeral. Also, the flag at Buckingham Palace was totally inappropriate. There is only supposed to fly to Queen's flag when she is there. George VI didn't get a flag at half mast, and he was the Goddamned king!!!! Lastly, the queen shouldn't have been expected to make a spectacle of herself with a big display of public grief. It's true that the entire world admires the British for their "stiff upper lip."
I think at that time there was a hysteria feeling in the British public. Just like the girls acted upon the Beatles in the 1960s. It's a behavioral thing in a group. Everybody sees everybody crying, so they feel the need to cry too, hence feed the cycle as a self-sufficient.
Whether or not this conversation happened, she was right to protect her grandchildren first. Unfortunately, where she was wrong is that the crowd didn’t sober up…. They just got more hysterical and I always thought it was overboard and frankly selfish to expect the Royals to grieve in public for their sake. Trotting the kids out behind the coffin was grotesque. The people wanted spectacle and it was unfair to Diana’s children.
In my own opinion. I think Elizabeth was actually in a state of shock and her grandchildren lost their mother.... How is anyone supposed to handle a situation like that.
I was like Elizabeth when she died herself. So Mummy, Princess of Wales told all my family not to ring me constantly because she knew how grief stricken I was
In real life I bet he probably said something along the lines of "Listen Lize, get your ass down here to London now before the people set fire to Buckingham Palace and dance round it!"
The portrayal of the Duke of Edinburgh is in keeping with the way he mistreated his oldest son Charles. Philip is an insensitive bully. There are CZcams vids that show how he says things that belittle or ridicule others. The Queen has always had the hots for him, though.
Doesn't matter if you know someone or not. When someone becomes an icon, they cause ripple affects that touch people's lives. Therefore that icon becomes apart of the lives of those people and those people grow up with them or gain a special place in their hearts for them because of the inspiration and the connection they feel to someone who had that ability to make the world stop. This is why the grief of the public mattered. They weren't being rude to the family, they were in mourning like the boys and others in the family. The public shouldn't be shamed for being in mourning about someone they admired and loved and are going to miss. I mean for Heaven's sake what's wrong with human beings celebrating and feeling for a fellow human being who was a good person?! I understand the Queen trying to do a privacy bit and all, but you can't control the way people react. The death of an icon is big news weather the Queen likes it or not. That doesn't die in a day. She didn't understand how the world changed from newspapers and small gatherings for burials to mass media coverage of a big star.
Child actors are expensive. You aren't just paying for the actor to be on set but their parents, tutors, care for the child, and the special treatment they need on set. A child actor can work for a very short amount of time a day. While a grown actor on a major film can work up to 10 hours a day
I remember them arriving back at Buckingham Palace, they got out of the car to look at the flowers, and were surrounded by the public. I thought if they boo her now that is it! The flag at Buckingham Palace was lowered, she gave a speech on television, and she had to lower her head as the casket carrying Diana passed. This was a very close call, very misjudged, and in spite of the Queen always being there for her people she, encouraged by Philip, almost destroyed what she had helped to build since she became queen.
"That's what the rest of the world has always admired us for." --- Oddly makes me proud to be British, and I'm not someone who is especially patriotic.
I don't admire you for that, cant you see what a parasite that family is on your country? Each royal member is living off your taxes and they are NOT the great people you think.
Elizabeth was in a no-win scenario. If she left Balmoral immediately after Diana was brought back, she would have been criticized for not caring for her grandkids.
She had a responsibility to BOTH her family AND to the British people. In this circumstance she failed miserably with both, mostly because of her obvious loathing of Diana and how much the people loved her. Personally, I think she was pea green with envy of just how much they did. She took the tactic of "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all"...🙄
It is morning tea, or 'elevenses' as it's sometimes known in the UK; afternoon tea would be serving lighter cakes and sandwiches. It's also indicated to still be morning by their recent viewing of the newspapers (probably at breakfast). It would also be likely that if there were urgency to contacting The Queen that day, the Prime Minister would've done so by morning tea, since afternoon tea is served traditionally between 3;30 and 5pm.
This movie handled the death of Diana SO MUCH BETTER than The Crown. The Elizabeth of Imelda Staunton in The Crown is cold and rigid, until all of a sudden she isn't. Over and over. No subtlety at all. "Their ... grief?" is just brilliant. This movie was a fine piece of work, despite its certain deviations from fact. My favorite being when the Queen saw the stag out in the countryside. She stood looking at it wonderingly. Royal experts say the real Queen would have shot it. It's their thing.
This was made primarily to be a docudrama. An insight based on accounts, and stories about the events of that particular week. While The Crown follows the narrative (a very bad and jittered mess) created from season 4 upwards while using plot devices never used before in the show such as Melo soapish drama and peoples reflections of grief
Blair was right, though. I remember the time. It was one of the very few occasions where the Queen misjudged the mood of her people. The monarchy exists in Britain only on sufferance. Whilst the Queen understandably wanted to put her family first, as monarch she did not have that luxury. Her duty was to her people and her peple perceived a lack of grief and sensitivity. Had Blair not intervened, and the Queen been made to realise the perilous position she was putting the insitution into, there is a very real possibility that the public wold have turned against it so strongly that a Republican sentiment would have taken hold. The public at the time blamed Charles, and the Royal Family in general, for Diana's death. Charles was particularly held to blame. Though it is understandable that the Queen wished to stay in Balmoral with her family, public opinion demanded she return to Buckingham Palace. By tradition, the flag is only at half mast for the death of the monarch. The Queen realised that whatever the tradition, the public demanded it be done to respect Diana.
You're totally right. But it's interesting to observe this all through the lens of a changed monarchy, certainly now that The Queen has passed away - it's certainly a running theme throughout this film about the duality of her role as Elizabeth, mother and grandmother, versus her duty as The Queen; where the lines had never been blurred before, the circumstances here required them to be irreparably crossed and broken. Had Diana not been killed, I'd wonder if all the 'progress' (if it can be called that...), to shake off the private, cloistered protocols of the old ways, would ever have taken place - in a horribly bittersweet way, her tragic death brought change, a great change for the better.
Whoever thought James Cromwell, an american, was a suitable choice to play Prince Philip, needs a good shrink! He’s a reasonable actor & I will always remember him fondly as Zefram Cochrane, but not as the duke of Edinburgh!
i think it’s quite weird how people are always complaining that she’s never put family first and then for one time when she did, y’all started complaining again
My thoughts exactly!
The Queen could have very very easily given a statement and still looked after William and Harry. She doesn’t even write her statements. She couldn’t even be bothered to have one of her secretaries write something for Diana in the days following her death.
This is horrible behaviour. We had just heard from Diana all that the Queen and Charles had put them through. Publicly, the attitude towards the royals was already soured.
What the Queen did was treat Diana like she was just some other woman, not a member or the royal family - not the mother of a future king, grandmother of all future heirs, just like the Queen is.
The public was devastated and they reached out to their Queen for support. She showed none until she was forced to. Not even a statement. So yeah, the royal family was even more fucked after that. I honestly don’t think it fully recovered until Harry and William got older.
As you can see in this scene, the Queen isn’t spending every waking moment with the boys. It would’ve been beyond easy for her to release a statement. “Putting family first” was the excuse not to come to London - it had nothing to do with publicly acknowledging and mourning Diana’s death in some way.
@@Bubble170 Diana was no longer an HRH, and was allowed to keep her title as a courtesy. It was not the Queens responsibility to make a statement on her death. Diana had wanted a private family funeral, but the public refused to let it happen.
@@jacobwhite4895What drivel. How could she dictate her own funeral at that unpredictable point in her life? Maybe, but highly unlikely in 1996-97. If based on a will, context was probably under the expectation she'd be buried in the 21st century as mother of the sitting monarch and not 1 year after her divorce.
She was right to care most for her grandsons, who had lost their mother. Where she went wrong was not to say that to the British people. She stayed with the Royal tradition of silence and dignity, and that is usually right and Constitutionally necessary - but it didn't meet the circumstances.
I wholly agree with this. Like any family that's lost a loved one, there is a certain expectation that you would offer them, in addition to compassion and condolences, some privacy; but given the sheer magnitude of Diana's notoriety and legacy in the UK and around the world, those kinds of gestures to a family mourning, in the MILLIONS, would've started to approach an almost hysterical level of intrusiveness pretty quickly. I think perhaps she expected that the restraint and stoic manner she outwardly portrayed was what the rest of the World should've mimicked, but exactly as you say 'didn't meet the circumstances'.
Raving lunatic conspiracy theory, foundering, as usual, on the simple question of how many people had to know about it.
Nonsense. There is no such evidence. All you have is a bunch of questions to which you have imagined the answers.
You are wasting your own.
The evidence of Princess Diana´s assassination is there but your agenda is to misconstrue the evidence at all costs. Your waisting everybody´s time.
“That’s the way we do things in this country: quietly. With dignity. It’s what the rest of the world has always admired us for.”
I liked that the British people showed their fealings for Diana, by crying and laying tons of flowers infront of her residence. One thing I’ll never forget is, that after the ceremony in the church when her casket was driven “home” the car had to stop so many times to remove flowers from the front window.
Basically having a stiff lip.
@@kille7543 We loved Diana as Blair said she was the people's Princess she embraced us warmly and related to us. That's why 25 years later she is still loved and adored by us.
I agree with the Queen shielding William and Harry from the media and the public they were kids for god sake and grieving for their mother the public had no right to demand they be paraded to them. However I think the Queen could have released a statement and the public would have been fine with that but the media stirred it up and caused a shit storm to sell papers because they also had blood on their hands with how they constanty went after Diana they were passing the buck to the royals and thats unfair when both the RF and media treated her badly
Lololol
Ignoring all the disgusting comments below, I do find it interesting how they shot Blair's and the Queen's scenes in different ways.
The Queen's scenes have high FPS film and classic mounted cameras, while Blair's scenes have low FPS film with more modern handheld cameras. It really gives a nice, subtle feeling of two different worlds colliding.
Kudos.
Thankyou! I love this comment and it's so true.
How do you see the difference?
@@amandeepsinghchanna5384 Look carefully at Tony Blair's shots, the background seems to move with him. Instead, the Queen's shots have a still background.
Did you mean the reverse for the framerate? Theatrical features classically have a framerate of 24 FPS which is considered low. Television broadcasts and home video have higher framerates of 29.97 FPS for NTSC regions such as the USA and 25 FPS for PAL regions such as the UK. Most digital video such as on CZcams varies and can be set, but it’s rare to see them above 60 FPS. I can only think of a few notable HFR movies and they were the Hobbit series and the recent Gemini Man.
I love when comments point things out like this. I can appreciate a scene in a whole new way.
Imagine her in the last season of The Crown...
In 2071 perhaps when her reign's half way
@@sebastianmartinezdiaz8595 whoooops
@@sebastianmartinezdiaz8595 😭
@@sebastianmartinezdiaz8595 aged like milk
@@josephrivera6242 Yeah, I bet he's regretting THAT remark now!
I love how throughout the scene she frequently adjusts her equipment like her glasses and the items on her desks. It further emphasises just how difficult this moment is for her, to attempt change after decades of firm tradition and dignity.
Stephen Frears and Helen Mirren are masters at their craftsmanship.
Precisely. There’s a sense of trying to preserve routine, order and control, against the pressures of emotion and chaos. Even though I vividly remember the actual events surrounding Diana’s death, what I love most about his film is how lost in the story and the players you become, almost forgetting that you’re not watching the actual Queen.
I was reading that was Helen mirrens idea. In her researching the Queen and speaking to people who know her she came away with the belief that the queen has OCD, which is possibly true considering how organized and disciplined she is. So nice little touches that make perfect sense and make her relatable.
@@ColliCub and when people are uncomfortable and dealing with anxiety they will
Often retreat into doing familiar tasks. People who watch the same show over and over again for example, it is often a sign of anxiety. They find comfort in what’s familiar.
@Erik-ht3vo When she was a little girl, she was scrupulously neat and ordered in everything. It was this attention to detail, among other things, that made her grandfather, George V, comment "I pray to God that nothing comes between [her] and the throne."
long live the queen! even Prince William recently said she was right and was only trying to look after her grandsons. And she is still here long after all these politicians!
Well, the British national anthem DOES contain a verse about confounding their politics!
"Yes, let's." So brilliant.
@Rhys Hoffman Queen out!
All of you who are commenting about what happened in 1997 and what was portrayed in the film are entirely missing the point. Had the Queen remained silent, had she not fly the flag at half mast above Buckingham Palace, and had she not traveled to London to give a televised speech and attend the funeral, there would have been a constitutional crisis and the possibly to an end of the monarchy. The reality was, 1 in 4 people wanted to end the monarchy. As sovereign and head of state, her role as Queen always comes first. Duty first and self second. The fact that all of you advocating her staying at Balmoral that week in 1997 just shows that you don’t understand how the British monarchy works. She had no choice but to respond. The Crown takes precedence, even over tending to personal matters with her family.
Finally someone who understands
@@ReD-kl3zy the crown must win, must always win.
Oh please. It wasn't like the UK was going to get the guillotine out. It would of blown over in the end.
@@MrStGeorgeIllawarra no. Not necessarily
@@MrStGeorgeIllawarra uhh no 25 percent of the country are pissed off at them even before Dianas car went to Pont d alma tunnel
I have to agree with the Queen. Why should she put the people's grief before the grieves of her grandsons? The people lost an idol, a celebrity, someone who comes and goes in people's eyes. The princes lost a mother, that is forever. Isn't that more important?
the RF didnt do ANYTHING though, that was the problem. Princess Diana died, and they shut right up, as if to say, "we don't care". had the palace posted a bulletin, as they often do, saying that they asked for "privacy during this time", it would have said something. but yes, mother first, celebrity second.
Because she's the queen. It's that simple.
The Queen is NOT a celebrity. She is a public figure. As for the comment that suggested that the Royal Family killed Princess Diana.... that's just looking for somebody to blame. It was a very tragic event which you can't accept. Any suggestion that she was assassinated by the Queen, Prince Phillip, MI6 etc is just very silly.
Obviously coming from a Pedo supporter
Yes but that was the problem. For days they said NOTHING.
She was absolutely right, her people (and the world in general) lost a princess... her grandsons lost THEIR MOTHER!!! they needed her way more than her kingdom in that moment, she had her priorities straight.
As far as I know, this is the only time she put her family first than her people.
usagi18 it takes 5 minutes to make a statement expressing grief and saying that she needs to be with her family. 60 million UK citizens were grieving the loss of a member of the Royals, the mother of the future King, and the Queen acted like she didn’t care. That really hurt her people. Yes, she needed to put her grandsons first, but she is also a monarch, and one statement would’ve meant the absolute world to the UK. But she said NOTHING.
Showing zero grief for the one person who has actually made the royal family loved again was a massive mistake. Is this how she would want people to be when she dies? Her whole family just saying nothing? She’s the fucking Queen.
For the first time EVER, the public were feeling grief all together. The entire nation was broken, and the Queen could’ve taken that opportunity to show her people that she cares about them as well. One statement. She didn’t even have to do the speech or some to London, if she had actually expressed her need to be with her grandsons. But she didn’t. She did not bother. She’s sitting here with her husband doing NOTHING, she isn’t actively comforting the boys. She had the time to show solidarity and she fucking didn’t. She expected people to bottle up their feelings. She expected people to not care about Diana or the royals. And you know what? Nobody gives a shit anymore about the Queen. Nobody will mourn this way when she dies. That’s what she wanted.
@@Bubble170 In terms of the points she made, she was indeed 100% correct in her first refusal to sensationalise Diana's death. The media as usual took this death and turned it on the Queen, which she did not deserve one bit. It was Diana's family wish for her to have a private funeral and burial, not to mention the scarring HELL her CHILDREN were put through having to be put on display during the worst time of their lives at that point for the 'good of the people'. I'm sorry, but since when does public love come before that of a family and that if the deceased persons children. If the public wish to greive l, fine let them do so. But don't drag the name of a lady who has given her entire life to service 24/7 non-stop on the go since most likley before you were born. She has always been there for the UK, helping them through hard times and to multiple charities worldwide. Your claims that she does not care and that she was 'sitting doing nothing' are 100% unfounded. If it was the Family's wish for her death to be private as well as her children's, that should've been bloody respected, instead of trying to take a big step in front of the children and family in order to put yourself before them. Selfishness. Selfishness. Selfishness.
If you knew anything about the Queen it’s that The Crown always comes first and foremost. ALWAYS. She didn’t really give a crap about William and Harry. She just loathe Diana and has such anger in her heart at what Diana “did to them”.
@@getnasty08 humm... yeah
@@distortedfeatures exactly
The way she walks breaks me every time. She nailed Queen Elizabeth. I have long hoped this was the beginning of Hollywood's new era for not-so-young-anymore actresses, as a reminder that great actors, like fine wine, get better with time. And yet, it seems it worked very well for Helen, Meryl, and maybe someone else.
It's hard to believe that once upon a time the two most popular Hollywood actors were Marie Dressler and Wallace Beery. Both older and neither glamorous. Beery was described as having a face like a clenched fist and Dressler matched him perfectly. What they had though was character, the ability to play any role in any genre and genuine likeability.
“Tell him to call back!!” Lmao Philip.
I remember everyone ringing me after the Queen’s death and my mother said “don’t bother, it’s your private grief!”
The Queen passed away today. Her passing was a great loss to the UK, the Commonwealth, and the whole world! Thank you for your 70-year humble service. You’re always my Queen. God Save the Queen!
Whole world?? Typical colonizing attitude....trust me SOUTH AMERICA GIVE A FUCK 😂😂😂
@Ortega Leyva Toys She's done a damn site more than you or me ever could. I doubt anyone can say they've worked till they were 96. Have some respect.
@Ortega Leyva Toys You have no idea what their life is like, do you? You think it's all fancy and being pampered? Come on, it's not a fairy tale. They have a lot of duties - and a very strict etiquette htey have to follow, no matter what. Sure, they have a lot of staff who take care of many everyday things for them - but there is the other side. No freedom, no privacy - and you always have to put the duty first. It's not like the life of the Hollywood celebrities. The monarchy is very, very different. Just look at Meghan - she couldn't handle it and they left the whole country. That should tell you something.
@Ortega Leyva Toys oh, jeez, drop that communist BS about the rich and such. Thr queen is a head of state, every day of her life. Period. Not some russian millionaire. Not that their lives are so easly lately... dropping off ships so frequently in the last few weeks. The queen however lives on the budget the parliament votes for, I bet her financies were more transparent than most of leading politicians'...
@@flav2689 well what DOES/DID her majesty & the royal family of 🇬🇧 do exactly? Personally I don't really know the Queen doing anything special (or important)
Especially since my cousins in England 🇬🇧 say the monarchy are "glorified statues" or something (meaning they don't do anything)
As a kid I remember the shock of Princess Diana passing, being that she was so young, the royal family being at Balmoral I think was understandable to most people. Even a young me. Her Majesty did the respectable and rational thing.
If you have not watched this film, please do yourself a favor and watch it -- especially now. It is magnificent. Sheer perfection.
The palace have ever seen that movie?
There was a moment that echoed it recently (I wonder if the person had seen the film?) where Charles was visiting the people at the gates and taking the flowers for the Queen and someone said, no your Majesty, they're for you.
At this time, our focus is on the people of Israel and the horror that the arabs and hamas are inflicting on them, espeically October 7th. We will watch this film, but at a later date. I stand with Israel. Always.
@thomasp.crenshaw185 The comment you're replying _was_ made a year ago... Someone feels a little too much compulsion to express their opinion. 🙄
Wow, letting your hate for israel shine though eh! Instead of showing empathy and understanding of how I feel, you decide to shame me as a cover for what is only underlying hatred of jews. Yes I express my opinon. Yes I am entitled to here in Australia. Maybe in your backwards living leftist country you cant, but I can! Witch.@@harringt100
Mental note: never scroll down the comments section. It's lit up down there
One of the things guaranteed to draw trolls in the comments section is anything to do with the Monarchy.
One of the things guaranteed to stir conflict in the comments section is anything that would cause for any sort of argument,
Who's here after the Passing of the Great 👑 Queen Elizabeth II??
She turned out to be right. I was huge Diana fan, but I thought the public reaction became such a circus. And she was right to protect the boys.
Mim Moon I remember that and I live in the US. I think Diana did a lot of good but she was definitely another person to the people who knew her.
I’ve seen footage of poor young William and Harry a day before the funeral going out to meet the mourning crowds. People were grabbing at them, screaming and wailing as though they were at a rock concert. So utterly selfish and hysterical, they were children for goodness’ sake!
@@moonlitdesert what I can’t see, as a not British person, is why you always have to ‘protect’ the crown as it was the holy Graal and can’t accept that people are different. That’s the reason why the Royals didn’t like Diana, because she wasn’t the person that they wanted.
Plus, from the interviews and statements that I saw and read it’s pretty clear that William and Harry are not embarrassed by their dead mother’s ‘behavior’, given the fact that the duke of Sussex came out with a Nazi uniform and called his fellow soldier in the BA a “paki”. He had his own scandals
@@moonlitdesert her constant affairs were in the mid 80s mate and she tried and I mean tried to make the marriage work for the sake of her children
@@inigobantok1579 if Diana was having affairs in hte mid 80s that was early in hte marriage - and not exactly trying to make the marriage wrok. And she certainly had affairss after he mid 80s
*"Bloody fools. And now your tea's gone cold!"*
;D
That was genius though!
Well I say that was "Bloody genius!" ;-) Prince Phillip is quite a character, isn't he?! I always found him very funny by being so gumpy, that makes me gigles.
Revolutions, insurrections and wars can occur; but heaven forbid that your tea goes cold!
I was gonna comment
Peter Morgan's tick writing
I imagine that's one of the worst things that can happen for a Britishman.
RIP Queen Elizabeth II (1926 - 2022).
She is such a strong woman. Seriously she’s had to put up with a lot starting at such a young age.
Particularly when talking to her most recent elected quitter.
When you think about it, it's actually pretty disgusting that the press effectively nagged Blair and the Prince of Wales into requesting the Queen allow a public ceremony.
This in turn required that the entire royal family, INCLUDING the two princes become a spectacle for the mob.
As a young boy when this happened, I recall distinctly watching the procession and hearing my mother call out against the Queen as someone who "hated" Diana.
I think that given hindsight it's pretty damn clear that the idea that the Queen disliked Diana is something the media invented to sell papers. It makes me wonder whether this was the beginning of the decline of journalism.
Well, she didn’t like her, that’s pretty a fact, maybe at first, but then things got worse
@@matteoviola5760 Read The Queen and Di, it is actually about the Queen's relationship with Diana and covers the breakdown of the marriage. The Queen was actually fond of Diana and did everything she could to fix the marriage. But the marriage was beyond fixing. It covers both Charles and Diana's flaws completely. But honestly remember we just really heard one side of the story.
@@lauraschoenborn3544 She tried to fix the marriage because she did not want a divorce at that level in the family.. I think by the time she tried to fix the marriage she was well and truly fed up with Diana and did not really want to keep her in the family other than than for the sake of the children and the monarchy
@@matteoviola5760 The Queen soon got a taste of Diana's medicine, as did anyone associated with Diana. By 1997 anything to do with Diana herself was "Old hat" as far as the Queen was concerned. Yes Diana was troubled, who isn't?, but on top of that she was a troublemaker. You can see this written all over the Queen's face at the time, and Helen Mirren captured it perfectly, right down to the truculent swagger of the Queen's hips in this scene. Blair was a consummate politician, and a damned good one may I add, but the Queen was a woman in her 60s: she knew the score.
Oh honestly the comments here are ridiculous
Have any of us met the royals? Not likely
- did the queen hate Diana
- did the queen hate Margaret
- was Diana manipulative
- is Meghan a bully
- has William cheated on Kate (a Twitter rumour that does the rounds every once in a while)
- is there a rift between William and Harry
- is Andrew the favourite son
- are Beatrice and eugenie stuck up and spoilt? Are they really the “Cinderella stepsisters”
All of the above are absolute wank fed to us as a narrative to sell papers
And at the core of most of these myths are women so it’s sexist (and in the instance of Meghan racial misogynistic) hogwash
I can’t think of anyone better to play them when the Netflix series gets to this era.
Helen Mirren did play a great role, it really portrayed what the royal family really were like, there are still too many unanswered questions to this day of what really happened.
Like what?
Being a royal at any senior level requires wearing two hats at the same time. Sometimes, you need to be stoic and duty bound to deal with the public; and other times, you need to tend to family and be comforting. Other times, like this, you'll have to do both
This is a completely and absolutely appropriate decision to keep the two Princes at Balmoral at that time just after losing their Mother.
Could you have imagined just how they would have been hounded by, not only the Press but also, a Besotted Public should they [the two Princes and also their Father] have had to travel from Clarence House to Kensington or from Windsor Castle onto Buckingham and so on and so forth? It would have been a horrible spectacle unto itself and sensationalised even further by the Media.
To remain at Balmoral Estate at that point in time was the most appropriate reaction for two young boys whom had just lost their Loving Mother and, as their Grandmother, the Queen was well-aware what was best for Her Family.
This was indeed one of those extremely and emphatically rare moments where the Queen had put Her Family before Duty (somewhat) and then a few over-eager Critics capitalised on such an instance.
ERII may be the Head of State, but I, like many, recognise that, though Her unwavering Kindness and Compassion throughout her continuing Reign, she is certainly a Loving and Devoted Grandparent.
The problem is Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II was brought up to be like a robot, she wasn't supposed to show emotions, like she's at the end of the film: She has a duty to be the Queen and being a queen is all she knows, she didn't know how to react but she did actually learn to love Diana and she was feeling sympathy she just hid it because she didn't want to show her emotions. I have to say, being royal is very hard, it's not an easy job. William was forced to hold back his tears.
She didn't love Diana.
The casting for Phillip was amazing !!! Well looks like him !!!
He’s American too
James Cromwell.
Haha “Cromwell”
He’s a brilliant actor.
@@jimmy2k4o And it's the same guy who trained a pig as a sheepdog...
Imagine her as the queen in the last season of the crown 😍
Ohh yes please
I wish, it’s going to be that lady that played the evil villain in Harry Potter..
I love how a lot of the people commenting are acting like this is a real life conversation. I doubt Blair would have been that direct and I doubt the Queen would have been that snippy or made such a long speech completely off the cuff. :D
Paul2377 if you have ever seen the crown you will know she can give a PM a good dressing down, even one of the greatest PMs of all time
Paul2377 The Queen does not put up with rubbish. She is very well informed, in control and in private says what she thinks. She is not an actress. What you see is what you get
dog guy, The Crown is fantasy. It is SO wrong, it is amazing.
On the other hand, the Queen as pleased with this film as a fairly accurate portrayal, and invited Helen Mirren to the Palace.
At the time, Mirren had signed a contract to be in the US. She DID get a second invitation when it was more convenient.
MandyJMaddison She was also made a dame, and has met The Queen several times since.
It's a vision from the point of view of the writers. Creative people are generally very good at taking facts and imagining what 'that must have been like'. Writers and actors truly are the narrators of human behaviour and have a knack for putting themselves in someone else's shoes. For instance; When Meryl Streep was asked how she could mimic accents so well she answered: " I listen". I think that goes for all good actors(such as Mirren); they watch, they listen and when done properly, come very close to the truth. I imagine Elisabeth being quite moved having a group of artists having 'seen and heard' her side during a time when so many of us were blinded and deafened by the war drum of mass hysteria through media and sensationalism.
Her grandchildren came first. Perhaps times have changed and people expect public mourning, but there were two young boys in her care who just lost their mother. Their immediate needs took precedence. I thought then, and still do, that the same compassion and respect for privacy we would expect for ourselves was also due her and her grandchildren.
I LOVE Helen Mirren IN THIS.
Vicki Daniels I know, right? She said she wanted to avoid just ‘impersonating’
Queen Elizabeth and copying her personality and mannerisms, to get into character; nobody TRULY knows how or what Her Majesty is thinking privately, but Helen Mirren captured these private and emotional moments beautifully.
An interesting fact about Prince Philip. As a member of the Royal Family of Greece, he was related to the Romanov dynasty that ruled Russia. When Anna Anderson, the elderly woman claiming to be the Grand Duchess Anastasia died, a sample of her DNA was compared to that of Philip. There was no match, and so her case was officially disproved.
From when the modern Greek state was established following independence from the Ottoman Empire in 1829 until the monarchy was abolished in 1975 (even though the military junta was actually in power from 1967 to 1975). The same dynasty reigned in Greece from 1862 to 1975, and were descended from King George I, who had actually been a Danish prince when he was offered the throne of Greece following the abdication of King Otto (a German) in 1862.
How is he related to the Romanov ?
Misteeq64 you banned in google? Flibbertigibbet6 not only, there are several more close links - Prince Philip's grandfather king of Greece George I was full brother to Empress Maria Feodorovna, mother of Nicholas II. Also Philip's mother Alisa Battenberg was a grand niece of Empress Maria Alexandrovna, wife of Alexander II. And not forget that queen Elizabeth also is a native to Romanovs, because her grandfather king George V and Nicholas II were cousins (their mothers were sisters)
@@vinllga Easy. Philip’s and the Queen’s respective parents were cousins of the zar Nicolás II.
Philip’s great aunt was the Zarina Alexandra wife of the Zar Nicholas II
False. Filips’s dna was used to check if the corpses found were of the murdered romanovs. Not for a fraud like Anna Anderson.
One of my favorite movies.... she snatched that phone up so fast and laid him flat out!!! 😂
The queen did the right thing. Grief is private and not something to satiate morbid curiosity of people she’s never met.
Additionally the comments here are ridiculous
Have any of us met the royals? Not likely
- did the queen hate Diana
- did the queen hate Margaret
- was Diana manipulative
- is Meghan a bully
- has William cheated on Kate (a Twitter rumour that does the rounds every once in a while)
- is there a rift between William and Harry
- is Andrew the favourite son
- are Beatrice and eugenie stuck up and spoilt? Are they really the “Cinderella stepsisters”
All of the above are absolute wank fed to us as a narrative to sell papers
And at the core of most of these myths are women so it’s sexist (and in the instance of Meghan racial misogynistic) hogwash
God Save the Queen. I love her so much.
"Bloody fool, now your tea's gone cold"
"Now your tea's gone cold"
The look she gives Prince Philip at 1:34 XD
This movie was free to watch on CZcams not that long ago. I watched it.
What a few concise yet powerful words!
This is the only film I know to show every day of the work in words on the screen! :) :( ;)
I love the portrayal of Prince Phillip 😂
Helen Mirren was fantastic in this movie. I felt sorry for the Queen in all honesty. She was put in a terrible position when Diana died. Not that, that was her fault of course but still. She truly believed her people would support her stiff upper lip stance, and had miscalculated completely the publics reaction and yes grief! She hadn't realised how much they blamed Charles for the breakup of their marriage and for making her very unhappy and for using her as a damned breeding machine for the monarchy. She was so far removed from the people that she totally did not get the 'moon'. Tony Blair was absolutely right only she was to damned proud to admit it. Pride before a fall. If they had left it any longer then the monarchy would've been no more such was the anger at the lack of show of emotion on her part. Apart from anything else this was the mother of her grandchildren and the heir to the throne. Not to mention she had been taken far to soon and far to young and yet nothing. At least in public. Not even a mention of her at their local church which was a mistake in itself. No the Queen mishandled this entire situation badly. As for that idiot of a husband of hers I am not surprised he took the stance he did. He is a bafoon of a man and an adulterer himself. No wonder Charles was the way he was...unfaithful the pair of them. That is a known fact amongst the staff anyway... They keep it a secret but those royal men couldn't be loyal to anyone. Not even their Queen or the church they claim to lead.
Phillip cared more about her tea than the situation. 😬
Just.. Wow. My two favorite English women.. Helen Mirren and the Queen
Crazy how the press chased Diana to her death, then started chasing the family next...
0:34 "I'm bored of this, I'm going for a Twix."
You're not getting in my car.
Tell him to shove a goose up his arse
Yes, I'm aware, Fergus, a man with an amusing name has died.
A man of culture!
She could have done both! Look after grandsons and put out a compassionate statement from Balmoral
Cornwall 58 they did have a statement out - it wasn’t enough for a lunatic raving public who are always celebrity obsessed and wanted to see grieving
It wasn’t enough until they had to parade those two boys out and had them console other weeping people
I agree those poor boys shouldn't have had to go out in public. William and Harry have spoken how damaging it was, having to be seen in public - during that walk-around, and the funeral. They were only kids, but people were howling and screaming in front of them, tugging and grabbing at them, making comments about their parents' marriage and how 'unkind' the Royals were to their mother, imploring William to take sides,etc.
All that less than a week after losing their mother in such a devastating way. It was like people had got so hysterical, they were selfishly inflicting their own 'needs' and 'wants' on two kids in a destructive way. They forgot these were two children with feelings, who didn't ask to be Royal. If I had been Charles/the Queen, I would have not allowed that walkaround to happen with the boys, regardless of 'constitutional crisis'. I would have stuck to only making adult Royals available.
@@crazyhai6554 Diana didn’t ask to be a Royal too, but people in the comments still crucifying her for no reason. Maybe in 2021 monarchism came to a certain point, right?
The real queen would never show her emotions like that. She is way too much of a pro.
@urandeit tet You're calling other people tards when you ramble in all caps completely incoherently. You are the dunce, good sir.
She would have in private conversations but obviously we do not see those!
I believe in real life this was a very emotional situation for her. I was as she has stated "the worst week of her life". She may very well have broken down.
I think it was six of one, and half a dozen of the other, in why Charles and Diana's marriage broke down (with Charles starting the problems).
But that moment, when ur son's ex is killed in a car crash, and u have your child grandsons to comfort. And then a bunch of complete strangers (who saw her in the papers doing charity work, and thought she seemed quite nice), develop mass hysteria, and start weeping in the streets. And they then start demanding u all set aside ur own shock and grief, and travel 500 miles the next day, to comfort them. Then start demanding what type of funeral she should have, etc. And when u won't concede to their demands, they start ringing up the media, demanding u are publicly shamed. Which the media then start doing.
I think people sometimes get a little loopy when it comes to the Royals. Despite the Royals' privileges, it's like people sometimes see them more as objects, rather than humans with their own emotional needs.
That’s fair, but the Queen is not the Queen of her family. She’s the monarch of the UK and other countries around the world
I agree to a point. But I think Charles and Diana's marraige would have broken down regardless. They were not just somewhat different they were extremely different. But everything else is spot on. I am american, but reading back on that week I found myself embarrassed for the british people because of how the public was behaving.
God bless you ma'am.
What an awful, endlessly frustrating ordeal it must be to be born into English royalty. No amount of money is worth all the bullshit that comes with it.
I mean, adult royals are extremely wealthy and can always choose to step down like Harry did. But young royals (like William and Harry were when Diana died) should be left out of it until they turn 18 and get a say on what to do with their lives.
Apart from the fact that I agree completly with The Queen in terms of it being a private matter, since Diana was no longer part of the royal family and her sons being so little and grieving; I also agree on the fact that "...quietly, with dignity. That's what the rest of the world always admired us for" EXACTLY. That's the only admiration we people of the world have for you Brits, the elegance and dignity you handled things with. (Please remark on the past tense of the verb handle).
It was like a weird out of body experience. No one refers to it either anymore, like people are ashamed of it. I think Blair did a lot of harm here, he did NOT have her back.
I'm not British but I did the same when my mother passed away and some people are expecting a big drama over her coffin. I told them I'm not that person. I'd rather grieve her death alone, quietly and with dignity. Just like my mother did when my father passed away.
I don’t admire them. And not many countries do
The British public acted ridiculous about the whole affair. I can understand feeling a bit saddened that a public figure , that one has admired, had been killed in such a tragic way. But the way some of them acted like they were just completely devastated, was totally ridiculous! Furthermore, the Queen was right. Diana was no longer a royal. She had no right to a royal state funeral. Also, the flag at Buckingham Palace was totally inappropriate. There is only supposed to fly to Queen's flag when she is there. George VI didn't get a flag at half mast, and he was the Goddamned king!!!! Lastly, the queen shouldn't have been expected to make a spectacle of herself with a big display of public grief. It's true that the entire world admires the British for their "stiff upper lip."
William Bays this is the best laugh i've had all day. Thank you so much.
charlie prescott
LoL 😅
I think at that time there was a hysteria feeling in the British public. Just like the girls acted upon the Beatles in the 1960s. It's a behavioral thing in a group. Everybody sees everybody crying, so they feel the need to cry too, hence feed the cycle as a self-sufficient.
Wow. Someone on here writes sense. Well done. I thought I was the only one.
William Bays Wow. A sensible comment for once. I agree 100 percent.
Helen was extraordinary🌹❤️👍
I feel for the royal family in that they must, and necessarily must, appease the feelings of people in a way so wholly disconnected to them.
Whether or not this conversation happened, she was right to protect her grandchildren first. Unfortunately, where she was wrong is that the crowd didn’t sober up…. They just got more hysterical and I always thought it was overboard and frankly selfish to expect the Royals to grieve in public for their sake. Trotting the kids out behind the coffin was grotesque. The people wanted spectacle and it was unfair to Diana’s children.
The Queen goes with the "stiff upper lip." How very British...
David Rodgers Sure. Until they took away her toy boat...
In my own opinion. I think Elizabeth was actually in a state of shock and her grandchildren lost their mother.... How is anyone supposed to handle a situation like that.
I was like Elizabeth when she died herself. So Mummy, Princess of Wales told all my family not to ring me constantly because she knew how grief stricken I was
"Tea!"
Shows that they didn’t give a fuck about Diana.
People should've been more understanding of the queen's position. She was doing the right thing
In real life I bet he probably said something along the lines of "Listen Lize, get your ass down here to London now before the people set fire to Buckingham Palace and dance round it!"
He looked out the window like "I just messed that up" lol
I know that I just watched this movie for free on CZcams a few months ago and now it’s not free anymore 😅
yea itt happens... Sometimes its free for a little while, then they put the movie behind a little paywall. I think its 2 dollars
The portrayal of the Duke of Edinburgh is in keeping with the way he mistreated his oldest son Charles. Philip is an insensitive bully. There are CZcams vids that show how he says things that belittle or ridicule others. The Queen has always had the hots for him, though.
he always treated Princess Anne nicely though. It is believed she is his favourite child, and they got along pretty well.
He was like that with Charles only
RIP
Doesn't matter if you know someone or not. When someone becomes an icon, they cause ripple affects that touch people's lives. Therefore that icon becomes apart of the lives of those people and those people grow up with them or gain a special place in their hearts for them because of the inspiration and the connection they feel to someone who had that ability to make the world stop. This is why the grief of the public mattered. They weren't being rude to the family, they were in mourning like the boys and others in the family. The public shouldn't be shamed for being in mourning about someone they admired and loved and are going to miss. I mean for Heaven's sake what's wrong with human beings celebrating and feeling for a fellow human being who was a good person?! I understand the Queen trying to do a privacy bit and all, but you can't control the way people react. The death of an icon is big news weather the Queen likes it or not. That doesn't die in a day. She didn't understand how the world changed from newspapers and small gatherings for burials to mass media coverage of a big star.
Well she wants to tend to her family- but notice that she never actually tends to her grandsons in this film
they just didnt have to show that!! you do see them fishing with them
Rachel Maxwell burnnnnn😎👀😈😈
Rachel Maxwell This is a film though, isn't it. Films can't show everything
I am certain the queen knows how to whipe her own arse. But they don't show it in the movie...
Child actors are expensive. You aren't just paying for the actor to be on set but their parents, tutors, care for the child, and the special treatment they need on set. A child actor can work for a very short amount of time a day. While a grown actor on a major film can work up to 10 hours a day
I remember them arriving back at Buckingham Palace, they got out of the car to look at the flowers, and were surrounded by the public. I thought if they boo her now that is it! The flag at Buckingham Palace was lowered, she gave a speech on television, and she had to lower her head as the casket carrying Diana passed. This was a very close call, very misjudged, and in spite of the Queen always being there for her people she, encouraged by Philip, almost destroyed what she had helped to build since she became queen.
A fine actress and performance in its time... but after the crown and the portrayal in that.. it’s hard to watch even helen mirren play the queen
I’ve only seen season 4 and thought the actress looked nothing like the queen. does she do a better job in earlier seasons?
@@cookiehustle no you should watch S1 and S2
Claire Foy's performance as Queen is on another level.
You should watch
wow the british really care for tea
she knows how to use speakerphone
Sturgeon a true genius - a nobel prize in her future? Perhaps.
I came back to this scene after the news about Princess Catherine. Seems more relevant than ever.
2:35 That would be a wise call...if half the country weren't holding you personally responsible for killing her because she was an inconvenience.
"That's what the rest of the world has always admired us for." --- Oddly makes me proud to be British, and I'm not someone who is especially patriotic.
I don't admire you for that, cant you see what a parasite that family is on your country? Each royal member is living off your taxes and they are NOT the great people you think.
The world doesn’t admire you, they are fascinated by your sense of being a great nation despite evidence to the contrary.
Lol the world does not admire you. How do you not know what countless countries think of the British in the day and age?
Helen Mirren won the Oscar, the Tony, and the Olivier for playing Elizabeth II.
Por causa deste filme eu passei a gostar da Rainha Elizabeth . God save the Queen !!
brazuca tola..chama-se rainha Isabel II em Português!
Venho tarde, mas em termos de bom Português nomes de lugares e pessoas não se traduzem, caso não saiba... =)
@@nacht98 aqui o nome dela não é traduzido, portuga tolo
Helen and Imelda captured the look of Elizabeth II well very well
God Save the Queen!
Elizabeth was in a no-win scenario. If she left Balmoral immediately after Diana was brought back, she would have been criticized for not caring for her grandkids.
She had a responsibility to BOTH her family AND to the British people. In this circumstance she failed miserably with both, mostly because of her obvious loathing of Diana and how much the people loved her. Personally, I think she was pea green with envy of just how much they did. She took the tactic of "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all"...🙄
this all DID REALLY HAPPEN
RIP Queen Elizabeth II.
I always think Helen Mirror in this film look like my mother in law!
One thing… if she’s taking afternoon tea why on earth does he greet her with “Good Morning”
It is morning tea, or 'elevenses' as it's sometimes known in the UK; afternoon tea would be serving lighter cakes and sandwiches. It's also indicated to still be morning by their recent viewing of the newspapers (probably at breakfast). It would also be likely that if there were urgency to contacting The Queen that day, the Prime Minister would've done so by morning tea, since afternoon tea is served traditionally between 3;30 and 5pm.
They both have very valid points. Unfortunately they are explosively clashing.
This movie handled the death of Diana SO MUCH BETTER than The Crown. The Elizabeth of Imelda Staunton in The Crown is cold and rigid, until all of a sudden she isn't. Over and over. No subtlety at all. "Their ... grief?" is just brilliant. This movie was a fine piece of work, despite its certain deviations from fact. My favorite being when the Queen saw the stag out in the countryside. She stood looking at it wonderingly. Royal experts say the real Queen would have shot it. It's their thing.
This was made primarily to be a docudrama. An insight based on accounts, and stories about the events of that particular week. While The Crown follows the narrative (a very bad and jittered mess) created from season 4 upwards while using plot devices never used before in the show such as Melo soapish drama and peoples reflections of grief
She was fantastic
I think people were mad at the queen because of how poorly the royal family had treated Diana for almost 20 years.
A fantastic scene, always gets me.
"their grief" ? EXACTLY, they didnt even know the woman...
Helen was outstanding
Yes. LETS. Best mic drop ever. 🐐
Cleaned her glasses with her sweater. I would never...
Blair was right, though. I remember the time. It was one of the very few occasions where the Queen misjudged the mood of her people. The monarchy exists in Britain only on sufferance. Whilst the Queen understandably wanted to put her family first, as monarch she did not have that luxury. Her duty was to her people and her peple perceived a lack of grief and sensitivity. Had Blair not intervened, and the Queen been made to realise the perilous position she was putting the insitution into, there is a very real possibility that the public wold have turned against it so strongly that a Republican sentiment would have taken hold. The public at the time blamed Charles, and the Royal Family in general, for Diana's death. Charles was particularly held to blame. Though it is understandable that the Queen wished to stay in Balmoral with her family, public opinion demanded she return to Buckingham Palace. By tradition, the flag is only at half mast for the death of the monarch. The Queen realised that whatever the tradition, the public demanded it be done to respect Diana.
You're totally right. But it's interesting to observe this all through the lens of a changed monarchy, certainly now that The Queen has passed away - it's certainly a running theme throughout this film about the duality of her role as Elizabeth, mother and grandmother, versus her duty as The Queen; where the lines had never been blurred before, the circumstances here required them to be irreparably crossed and broken. Had Diana not been killed, I'd wonder if all the 'progress' (if it can be called that...), to shake off the private, cloistered protocols of the old ways, would ever have taken place - in a horribly bittersweet way, her tragic death brought change, a great change for the better.
Whoever thought James Cromwell, an american, was a suitable choice to play Prince Philip, needs a good shrink! He’s a reasonable actor & I will always remember him fondly as Zefram Cochrane, but not as the duke of Edinburgh!
"Tell him to call back!"
I believe Mr. Janvrin was speaking to the Queen, not her consort. Philip should remember his place.