Don't Talk to the Police? Massad Ayoob's 5 Points after a Self-Defense Shooting. Critical Mas Ep14
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- The prevailing thought out there is "Never talk to the police!" But is that always the case, even in a self-defense shooting? Having established why you shouldn't leave the scene after a self defense-shooting, now Massad Ayoob answers the question "What do you say?" Massad has decades of experience as an expert witness in self-defense shootings. This is his 5-point checklist to go though with the authorities after a self-defense shooting. Follow these steps and you might make sure you aren't implicated in a crime.
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ABOUT MASSAD AYOOB:
Massad Ayoob has been handgun editor of GUNS magazine and law enforcement columnist for AMERICAN HANDGUNNER since the 1970s, and has published thousands of articles in gun magazines, martial arts publications, and law enforcement journals. He is the author of some twenty books on firearms, self-defense, and related topics, including “In the Gravest Extreme” and “Deadly Force,” widely considered to be authoritative texts on the topic of the use of lethal force.
The winner of the Outstanding American Handgunner of the Year Award in 1998, Mas has won several state and regional handgun shooting championships. Ayoob was the first person to earn the title of Five Gun Master in the International Defensive Pistol Association. He is the current President of the Second Amendment Foundation. He served 19 years as chair of the Firearms Committee of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers, and several years as a member of the Advisory Board of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association. In addition to teaching for those groups, he has also taught
for the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors and the International Homicide Investigators seminars.
Mas has received judicial recognition as an expert witness for the courts in weapons and shooting cases since 1979, and served as a fully sworn and empowered, part time police officer for 43 years, mostly at supervisor rank. Ayoob founded the Lethal Force Institute in 1981 and served as its director until 2009, and now trains through Massad Ayoob Group. He has
appeared on CLE-TV delivering continuing legal education for attorneys, through the American Law Institute and American Bar Association, and has been retained to train attorneys to handle deadly force cases through the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. Ayoob served for two
years as co-vice chair of the Forensic Evidence Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. He also appeared in each episode of Personal Defense TV (Sportsman’s Channel).
0:00 - Recap from Don't Leave the Scene
1:30 - Never talk to the Police?
3:10 - The 5-Point Checklist
3:45 - 1. Establish the Active Dynamic
4:25 - 2. Indicate You Will Cooperate
5:09 - 3. Point out any Evidence
6:42 - 4. Point out any Witnesses
7:24 - 5. Request an Attorney
11:12 - The 5-Point Checklist
11:51 - Don't Freeze
#MassadAyoob #WilsonCombat #CriticalMas - Sport
If you're guilty, you need an attorney. If you're innocent, you DEFINITELY NEED AN ATTORNEY!
You have the best comment, hands down.
OMG! That sums it all up in two sentences better than I've ever heard it. You need to privatize those words and put them on coffee mugs, tee shirts, wall plaques etc!
@@ralphcantrell3214 free speech doesn't allow for this.
@@haoadams So you're saying ANYBODY can put those words on mugs or whatever and sell them. That might be even better. 👍
@@ralphcantrell3214 look at China, they deface our flag with NFL garbage then send it back to us.
1. "He attacked me"
2. "I'll sign a complaint"
3. "There's the evidence"
4. "There are the witnesses"
5. "I'll be happy to cooperate, but I need to speak with my attorney before I say anything else."
Thanks Mas!
thank you for quick summary!
Don’t listen to him.
He’s not an attorney. He shouldn’t be giving people this advice, it sucks.
1. You don’t know what can and cannot be used against you.
2. You will be nervous and your risk of saying something dumb is HIGH.
3. Cops LIE and they can say you said things you didn’t say.
I respect him as a firearms expert but he is NOT an attorney.
@@jojodesal no he isn't. He lectures at law schools where people become attorneys and is paid thousands of dollars an hour to testify in court as an Expert Witness.
What are your credentials again?
I've taught these same things for 20 years as an instructor, I own my own business, and I've been invited to testify before our legislature as an expert.
and then the cops take you to jail for the weekend anyways.
might break your arms for the fun of it or because of how you said something.
The cops have a,job to do. Let them do it. They have time. So,do, you. Any questions they need answered can be answered in the presence of your attorney. Even if it takes days or weeks! What’s the rush?
“Act (speak) in haste, repent at leisure…”
My friend is an attorney. His client shot a man trying to kill him for dating his ex. His client was 22. Sure enough, he blabbed away to the "understanding and sympathetic police officer". The asst. DA, for whom my attorney friend said was a real piece of work, set bail where he could not make it. He spent 7 months in jail awaiting trial. The case was dismissed in an hour.
Sounds like a professional liar
@@AUSTIN-ss2zd Which one?
@@tomperkins5657 attorneys who work for the bar have to lie
@@AUSTIN-ss2zdyour joking right? This happens all the time
@AUSTIN-ss2zd do you mind specifying who you are calling a liar?
The longer you talk to a cop, the more likely you are to implicate yourself. Do not talk to cops. You are not obligated to assist in any investigation. PERIOD.
Terrific advice
How many years do you have as a expert witness in shootings?
@@corybrown8422 mas is the greatest if you need him call his association
@@corybrown8422you mean the expert witness that was a cop and mainly defends cops?
No in defending civilians that have been in shootings. He is not just an expert witness in police shootings. You can think he is full of it or not I really don't care. There is alot of cop haters, that is you purgative. Just remember that what you say or don't goes into the reports not to mention how cooperative you were. Which will also go to the jury. He did not say to tell them everything that happened her said point out things that will help you. Like shell casings and so on. But hey you do you. @@Dcm193
I’m an American. This happened in Texas. I was pulled out of a cell in jail and drilled with questions by a law officer. I hadn’t been allowed to speak to anyone for weeks. I remained steadfast. I told him I knew my rights. And I wanted a lawyer present.
After about 30 minutes he grew frustrated and took me back to the cell.
About a week later I was allowed to talk to my lawyer. If this happens to you … be patient.
Be patient and sue their f****** asses off!
There are so many violations of your constitutional rights in that I can't even begin to count them.
@@kenkneram4819
Here's what I said:
In order to preserve my 5th Amendment rights against self-incrimination
I will remain silent,
I want a lawyer and a speedy trial.
Their first words were a question: Where is the gun?
The police do not know that you can remain silent.
My lawyer said don't tell him, (It was in the floor safe in the garage).
I do not need to provide evidence against me.
#3, point out any evidence
@@aolvaar8792 This is the way.
I think the lecturer here has a prolific imagination and chose to use a Constitutional Right as a platform, ill advised.
Bullshit to your whole story. Weeks my ass
My CCW instructor is a LEO. He said if you ever have to use your gun in self defense, DO NOT say anything to the police except, “I’ll be more than happy to answer any questions, but I want my lawyer present”.
That's exactly right. The police are not going to determine your sentence, the court is. The more you say to the police the greater chance of you incriminating yourself.
Seems like Maas’ advice is based on what the police will think, any lawyer will tell to worry more about the jury and don’t say anything 😐
What it really comes down to is duty. Police are duty bound to report everything they witness including what was said. Even an officer who may be sympathetic to the would-be victim that defended themselves, they have to report everything that person says regardless of how it COULD be taken in court.
I have been in similar situations plenty that wouldn’t be seen as similar. It is against my company policy to accept cash tips from customers. I have to explain to customers that even if they are extremely pleased with the service that I provided, a customer can unintentionally get me fired by responding to a survey: “I was so impressed that I even tipped the technician $100.”
Had I not turned that tip into my supervisor and that survey was submitted, I would have been fired.
So, the ultimate point is the policy/law determines guilt.
A good and honorable police officer will understand that. They will do their duty to FACILITATE justice, not execute it based on what they see in the aftermath of an incident.
Not to mention some police have the habit of twisting words and weaponizing what you reported against you down the line. So yes, answer questions once you have a lawyer present/speak to counsel about what happened.
@@mierzhen 💯
" Everything you say can and will be used against you." They could also add, " Every word you utter will be twisted into an admission of guilt and culpability."
You get read the Miranda Rights so listen to them carefully. 1st sentence..."You have the right to remain silent" Do just that 🤐🤐
21 plus year criminal defense attorney here and former prosecutor. Just wanted to say this is great advice. Very well done.
Are you in texas
@@jessicagrecco5813 in Maine!
@@darrickbanda this guy is utterly fantastic with legal knowledge
@@darrickbanda go over the stand your ground laws very carefully they are unbelievable if you have to use deadly force
Look up the autobiography Within Heaven's Gates by Rebecca Springer. Page 64 😇
When a police officer gets into a "bad situation" they always remain silent until they talk to a union representative and lawyer.
You watch too much CSI.
@@joshuaosiris YOU don't watch REALITY! Cops have 72 hours before they have to talk to authorities after an "officer involved shooting " enough time for alcohol 🍸 to leave the system and get their stories straight! Plus newsflash!: CSI rips their stories Straight from the headlines..then embellish!
@@joshuaosiris it's true dumbass
@@joshuaosiris You must not be a union member.
They are giving 24 hours to answer questions.
By then, they're emotionally able and have legal representation
As the saying goes, if the cops are looking to arrest someone, nothing you can say will talk you out of jail-- but you can certainly talk your way into it!
It blows my mind that the Supreme Court has made it clear that police have to warn you that it’s a bad idea to talk to the police and people still think talking to the police is a good idea.
I was involved in a deadly force encounter, and I can say with certainty that not talking too much is more difficult than making the decision to fire.
The adrenaline dump hits hard and, for me personally, I felt that I made the right choice and ended up trying to prove self defense on the scene. I didn't know that was a bad idea, at the time. I got very lucky that there were cameras that caught most of my recollection of the event which corroborated my statement.
That said, when I was interviewed by the detective, he initially had the Texas penal code book opened to the "homicide" section. That was scarier than the incident itself. Now, I know better. Thanks to people like Mr. Ayoob.
Short and simple answers to the first responders, and then ask for your lawyer. Don't say too many details because it may come out a little different later because that adrenaline will make someone mis speak slightly and you could end up in trouble if it goes to court.
Like I said, I got lucky. It could have ended up much differently if it weren't for the cameras backing up my in depth statement of events.
@davidlemkuil The Texas Penal Code section for homicide also lists justified homicide, which is how they classify self-defense.
@@aikan7457 so you're saying I had a full on anxiety attack for no reason? Hahaha.... The detective was just making sure that I didn't violate any of the laws defining self defense. I damn near needed new underwear at the time. My local law enforcement was on my side, as long as I didn't violate the law and it could be proved that way in court. That's why I love my local law enforcement officers. They really do investigate in an objective fashion, even when they personally feel that you are innocent or guilty. They maintain objective in their investigations, in my experience.
Thanks for the insight.
Cheers from Texas
If a cop brought that to me open to 'homicide' I'd probably laugh at the clumsiness of the attempt. "Oh...I see you're JUST NOW getting familiar w/homicide? Must be your first day. No, this is a case of self-defense, so you might turn to that section instead" smh
@@KenD67 I doubt that. After being in a deadly force encounter...... I'm calling bullshit on you for that addition to the conversation.
Have you ever been in a lethal force encounter?
Are you a former military member? Has anyone around you performed violent actions in your presence?
If the answer is yes, I'm sorry that I brought up those memories, but I'm not sorry about those memories not being traumatic enough to shut your fucking mouth. Did you, or didn't you have to use lethal force?
What was it like for you?
How did you deal with the aftermath when you pulled the trigger?
Was it in your neighborhood?
Was it overseas?
Did you only shoot one person?
Do you remember what his face looked like when you fired?
What did he say after he was shot?
Did he pray?
Did he talk to you specifically?
What did his face look like?
What did his voice sound like?
How slowly did he scamper off before he stopped moving?
How many times do you dream about it?
Does it affect your morning shit?
What was his name?
Why did you pull the trigger?
Did you look him in the eye before you pulled the trigger?
What was his name?
Describe his face.
What did you feel when you pulled the trigger?
What did his face look like after the trigger pull?
Were there neighbors or family present when you shot him?
What type of load did you have in the weapon?
How long did it take for you to call 911?
I think you're a keyboard warrior and don't know shit about defending yourself or your family.
You're bulshit descent is 9000% bullshit!
You seem to be the type of guy that when she goes down, you run the other way, or you freeze.
You're not a man. You run away while real men fight.
I will apologize for all of my accusations, IF you have been in a lethal force encounter and threw testosterone, elbows, spicy air, and lead..... Whatever it takes to make the threat no longer a threat.
So far, I think you are a coward. I don't think you have enough fight in you to protect yourself or anyone else around you.
Prove me wrong...... Please
@@KenD67 look back at "aikan7457" comment. It was apparently for a good reason. Even though I didn't understand at the time.
My neighbor told me to NEVER EVER talk to police after you were in a shooting. And he's a lieutenant of almost 30yrs with my local police department. He was like "don't you say shit but I'll be more than willing to talk after I've spoken with my attorney. And you keep on saying it until you get your attorney". I remember this like it was yesterday. And he told me this back in the 90s.
good advice BUT untill an attorney is secured, a night in jail is next
@@jerrysegal2903 you may spend the night in jail anyway. so be it. Wait for a lawyer.
Sounds great on paper, but what if the cops arrest you on the spot, since you won't talk? They can assume anything they want when they see you with a gun and a dead guy in your house.
@@vinceA3748 it’s not within a cop’s ability to determine if what you’re saying is true. The person may be arrested anyway depending on what the cop perceives to be the truth or based on what you say, which will be used against you in court. Fresh off a shooting you should not be speaking especially trying to ask questions.
@@vinceA3748 remaining silent CANNOT be held against you.
I can’t repeat this enough, conflict avoidance is rule one!
Exactly, dealing with the aftermath of a shooting would be a nightmare.
Gangstalkers try to bait you into situations
That's all well and good.
My experience hillover has taught me that there are some people who insist on having a conflict no matter what.
These people will continually escalate any situation all the while you're trying to deescalate.
The sad thing is that sometimes those people are police officers.
Concur. Weapons are for protecting life rather than taking life.
"Feet, don't fail me now !"
This man is a wealth of information , it isn’t all stuff you want to know, it’s stuff you need to know . Subscribed
It Lt Joe Kenda. Remember these people are all actors.
@CoolHand Would you be more specific? I'm looking at Missouri law and nothing jumps out as false. Thank!
Mossad is wrong here. He’s not testifying as an expert in court on these issues-but firearm issues. You can listen to actual experts on this issue-experienced criminal defense lawyers and former cops-who still unanimously say to exercise your 5th Amendment right to remain silent until you have counsel present.
The number one reason is because if you haven’t said anything, there is nothing to use against you. But if you go through Mossad’s laundry list, there are now multiple opportunities for the cops to misremember what you said (not to mention lie about it), and now you have the cops telling a jury that you said something you didn’t say (or that your tone or inflection was different than it really was), and you are then forced to take the stand to refute that , and even then you now are having to tell the jury that the cops are wrong or lying. That’s a totally unforced error. If you kept quiet from the outset, that would not be an issue.
Second, it is FANTASY that you just shot and maybe killed someone, and that you’re going to be able to just calmly go through your 5 points and say precisely what you want (and nothing else) and then flip the switch to telling the cops you’re not saying anything else at that point. In reality, you will be in shock, or at least be flooded with adrenaline and anxiety, and will almost certainly make mistakes in what you say, or talk too much, as well as sound nervous. Also, the cops are not going to just sit there silent and act as your stenographer while you go through your five point checklist. They are going to be interrupting you and pressing you for additional detail and asking you follow-up questions, and unrelated questions throughout the interaction. You will almost certainly start answering questions or feeling you need to deny certain insinuations or accusations, and before you know it, you have said way more than the carefully crafted statements you thought you were going to be able to simply communicate with no pushback, and then remain silent.
The risk of starting to talk to the cops rather than immediately stating you will provide all pertinent information once you have consulted with counsel, is too great in comparison to possible upside.
Listen to the actual experts on THIS particular topic - criminal defense lawyers.
@@HoyaSaxaSD excellent presentation of valid points . Yes, don’t say anything until you have consulted with an attorney. Playing nice in such a serious situation could get you bent over. I still like this man and appreciate his knowledge, wonder if a background in law enforcement is why he is suggesting the approach he does . Merry Christmas
Very good advice!! My gun instructor (former FBI agent) explained how perceptions can change & be shaped, like Massad said “first impressions mean things”!
My instructor said do not lie but if the shooting occurs in front of witnesses, immediately afterwards loudly state what happened e.g. “OH MAN DID YOU ALL JUST SEE THAT MAN IN THE BLUE SHIRT CHARGE AT ME WITH THAT KNIFE!? THAT WAS HORRIBLE- I’M GLAD HE DIDN’T HARM ME OR ANYONE ELSE!”
This advice is gold.
Part of the problem is prosecutors want to win at any cost, your guilt or innocence rarely matters to them. Most of them will do any dirty trick including withholding evidence to convict you.
As shown by Littlebinger.
One of them is our VP 😬
Absolutely right. The attorneys are out to win, regardless of the truth.
sad but true,
Just look at Kyle Rittenhouse.That prosecutor did not care about justice at all. He just wanted to convict.
I was in an incident at night in a high crime urban area on the job in my utility company vehicle at my company garage and the police during the questioning asked me “what did you think the guys wanted when they approached you?” I said that I thought they were going to offer to sell me drugs which is a pretty regular occurrence and the cops wrote in the report that I was there to buy drugs not that I was at the specific place on my work order doing my job. It was cleared up by the detectives but it blew my mind that the beat cops wrote that
That's frightening. Glad it was cleared up.
Exactly! And you still have these clueless idiots tell you "Why won't you explain what happened to the cops? Why are you asking for a lawyer? What are you hiding?"
I'm not hiding anything. I'm protecting myself from people who make mistakes or love to misinterpret or twist what you say. Never talk to cops, talk to attorneys
Wow that is scary. So by just that little twist of the words you now look like a criminal committing a crime and you have a firearm (assuming you were armed) that could have went horrendously for you 😳😳 that is mind boggling. I think that right here proves why the advice of not talking to the police after a self defense incident is usually suggested. By just a few little twist of your words (by the officer or detective) you became the criminal. I am very glad the detective cleared that up.
@@Dydreth Frightening? That's normal. Cops are trained to look for convictions, not justice. It was a stupid thing to say. How the hell would he know what some other person is thinking? So the answer should have been "I HAVE NO IDEA". Don't give cops ammo in your language. Thats why the Miranda statement says what you say will be used against you.
@@SuperPapadzul - You're obviously directing your comment at the wrong person. In fact, going over the thread, I don't see a comment anywhere saying you should talk to cops. So why are you texting me saying I should never talk to cops? Where did I write something that made you think that I thought talking to the cops was a good idea?
Being prior LEO, that is exactly why I refuse to talk to the police and teach my children the same. I only speak through my attorney because the incompetence and miserable state of training of current law enforcement is too dangerous to be gambling with.
A true character, of which we today lack in our world. Upon coming to America in early 70s, had looked everywhere for a stable man of that John Wayne type; never found one. This man is as close as I've seen. Nice to witness a stable, level minded individual. Thank you Sir..
my stepfather is this way. I'm fortunate.
Twice I've had police tell me that I was at fault. Once, when I was attacked and kicked to the ground by a crazy teenager (I'm a senior citizen) and the other, I was on the road when a man backed out of his driveway ramming my car. Both officers blamed me even though witnesses established my story.
Cops can really mess up the truth.
Cops are Not your friends
its just whatever is easiest and less paperwork for them. and prosecutor's just want a win no matter the truth
@L.R. Track, thanks for sharing your testimony. Sad to hear how the LEOs responded to your case. The system is flawed. I too was approached and jumped by 5 angry men, at a parking lot in front of a convenient store. In the end after my hospital visit I went straight to the police station and wanted to do the law abiding citizen thing. They cops questioned me like I was the perp, why was I there, why didn't you just drive off. The police did not detain anyone, they did sloppy (inaccurate ) paperwork. In the end went to court only one perp went to jail (30 days) for simple assault . Peace be with you.
It's a mistake to assume that a) all police officers are competent, b) all competent police officers are having a good day, c) that the perp and one of the responding officers aren't related or friends, etc., etc. It's probably a good idea to state that you were in fear for your life by the actions of the assailant and then offer to answer further questions after speaking with and in the presence of your attorney. It's a mistake to place too much trust in law enforcement.
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Scene, Compliance, Evidence, Witnesses, Attorney. Got it.
Thank you!!!
Summation. :
1.)Don’t leave, (it looks bad)
2.) Let the cops know how it escalated into the situation now.
3.) Tell them you would be willing to cooperate, just as soon as you get a lawyer.
4.) Point out to the cops objects relating to the investigation. Guns, wallet, shell casing.
5.) Make known who saw what happened, because whoever saw it won’t want to get involved.
…..
My two cents.
Pray to God.
As far as #3, pointing out evidence, I'd note that we all have a very powerful tool in our pocket. Take pictures and video of the scene as soon as possible, in case evidence gets missed or altered before being documented by the police.
I've read on the news where cops will smash phones. Email away the photos as soon as possible.
The prosecutor might claim you were taking souvenir photos
@@jason200912 why would the prosecutor be working against you in this manner. Who takes souvenir pictures.
@@jason200912 it would makee more sense to be taking pics as proof right?
@@AnaStudent basically the prosecutor would call you a psycho murder who enjoys gore pictures. And dude of course a prosecutor is always against you. Their goal is to set a new record for how many people they can fit into a prison because they get higher pay
"Never talk to the police" is a good motto in any instance.
Except if you are white in a traffic violation. I get off with warnings every time
Since they are trained to lie to try to trap us - being quiet is best.
I gave both of you a thumbs up because you both make good points, but I think the best course of action is somewhere in the middle.
I would advise a person in a self-defense shooting to:
1. Tell the police that it's a self-defense situation, very briefly giving a broad outline of what happened but _without_ going into details, and then
2. Politely assert your right not to answer any questions and your right to talk to a lawyer.
@@halmc8109 Not talking to cops is pissing off the cops? Ok, fine, but better that than convicted.
@@antoniorobles8706fk the road pirates and their twisted panties.
I live near the Kitty Genovese scene and have been familiar with the case for over 40 years. People DID call the police. There I a recent documentary in which the residents of the building are interviewed. The reason the 911 system was instituted is due to the FAILURE of the POLICE response.
The fact someone was being actively stabbed and anyone thought the police would be of any use until after it was over is pretty crazy in and of itself.
But it's nice to learn the truth that at least it was reported, even if nobody had the balls to actually help.
Wtf are the police supposed to do, camp outside every door, have a teleport machine? This is a failure of the duty of a common citizen. JFK said it best “what you can do for your country.”
Spectacular!
Having been at the place of business where a murder first, and suicide occurred after, in ‘84, clarity of mind is quite probable.
At least in my case. Perhaps because of being a Head Chef for many years helped. There are many disasters that occur in a kitchen and freezing up is not an option. One should think about ahead of time (like this video recommends) what possible problems can occur. Forearmed with knowledge goes a long way.
Since that time, I have under missile attack in Iraq, been at houses and businesses on fire, medical emergencies needing immediate action, vehicle catastrophes, and each time, I was prepared for action.
I can now add a new piece of knowledge from the wise advice of this channel.
Wow, there is a wealth of information here. Many thanks.
A policeman who lived nearby and learned over the years that I was one of the good guys, gave me a tip. Similar to your fantastic advice, he said, "Tell police, I would like to assist but right now, I'm really shook up, not sure what really happened. I'm feeling rather ill. I really think I need to go to the emergency room and be seen by a doctor".
That does three things.
1. You will not go to the police station where you are questioned repeatedly. Do not have to worry about contradicting self.
2. It gives you an escape to cease answering questions on the site.
3. You won't sound like a criminal demanding a lawyer for protection.
Depending on the state or city policy, the police will drive you to emergency room and drop you off so they don't get stuck with the bill. If they escort you to the desk most of the time the dept is liable for the cost.
Or, they bring an ambulance with EMT to check you out. You can still insist going to emergency room. Main thing with claiming illness is it gets you away from the scene, and friends of the victim.
This is genius. I’m remembering this
As a healthcare professional, say you have chest pain. They’ll be forced to take you to the ER as it’s an emergency. Chest pain can easily be a panic attack due to the attack you’ve just been through and explained away. Still gives you time.
Damn, this sounds like absolutely excellent advice…. Duly noted, for sure….
How come you said victim. 😅
@@silllykitten329 I disagree. Honesty is the best policy. ER Staff can smell a lie. Its not just the negative Troponin and lack of NSTEMI that points to a panic attack. You do not want any ER staff telling any LE that you are faking or being deceptive. A complaint of . Panic is enough for the medical staff to do what they need and avoids jumping the cue for medical care for an emergent myocardial workup that you don't need.
This is so true. I was a victim in assault. There was no gun involved. I told the police what I could remember shortly after the incident took place, (he was charged and went to trial) but later when I testified 2 years after the assault, I literally could not remember the sequence correctly. The highpowered lawyer pointed out I was a liar. He got not guilty. My life was on hold for 2 years. You cannot function as a normal person if you constantly think about the incident, it was getting so tough on myself, so I forced myself to forget about it after 6 months. The trial simply got continued and continued and continued to no end. It was not a Rittenhouse trial or anything. Assault with broken bone case. Its a shame that the process is so slow and no consideration or convenience for the victim is there in the process.
@Ozymandias the Misanthrope Do you also believe in the third article of the constitution, and the fourth and fifth amendments??
This is the argument against what Ayoob is saying. Start instructing cops about the scene and later they say you're changing your story. I completely disagree with what this video is teaching.
@@HowardLuken I don't think you understand what this video is teaching. The point is, that you should only mention the bare minimum so that when the police testify, they at least know that you called first and were the first to say that you are the victim.
"he attacked me, I was in fear of my life, there is his weapon and there is a witness (if there was one). I will fully cooperate and testify the details after I talk with my lawyer".
You got punched at a bar and tried to sue the guy. That is not assault.
@@owendigity1581 then what the f*ck is it a friendly greeting
Always good advice.Been reading and listening to him since the late 70's.
I'm a young LEGAL firearm owner who grew up in the streets I find what you say to be insightful & helpful. Thank you
Think about it this way: when a LEO is involved in a in the line of duty shooting they are instructed not to say a word until a FOP attorney can speak with them first. Now if the police are given that advice………
True, but you know that SOME animals are more equal than others..
@@bmbullman what is this ANIMAL FARM?!
ohwait...
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Your 911 call is recorded by a dispatcher who is trained to illicit incriminating statements. Lawyers know the law, OK but they have to look it up. A gun owner who thinks he knows the law is in trouble when he admits to what turns out to be breaking the law. Police are NOT pro self defense, some are, some are not.
Add in that in a shooting, the shooter is at an extremely high stress level, people do go into shock after. If you are that stressed, you will make mistakes. A mistake can be as easy as how many rounds you fired. It is a crime to make a false statement to the police, even if it's an honest mistake.
Massad is saying, "Don't say much to the police," basically not answering any questions beyond what was indicated. That won't give the police enough rope to hang you, but may give them a more favorable view of you.
"I was attacked, here's some evidence, that person saw it, and I'll cooperate after I speak with my attorney."
Necessary because some people think that "don't talk to the police" should be taken literally. I've seen people end up in jail because they think they don't have to even identify themselves after a serious event.
@@claudiuspulcher2440 "I'm not driving, I'm travelling!"
hahahahaha
It's even more important to not talk to police now. Was law enforcement and I can tell you we're trying to get evidence to arrest you as a victim and even as a witness
This was a damned good presentation, one that everyone who may use deadly force to save their life should watch, and certainly all those who conceal carry should watch, and commit these 5 tenets of talking to the police to memory. Thank for the good advice and keep producing great content.
At any shooting, even if you are the victim of a life threatening situation defending yourself, you will most likely be arrested. As an arrestee, ANYTHING you say WILL be used AGAINST YOU in court. That is why you do not talk to police until AFTER you have spoken with a lawyer. State that you want to cooperate but are adrenalin filled and you don't want to make any inaccurate statements. State ONLY that you were attacked and in fear for your life. Then SHUT UP.
"I want to cooperate with you. I will answer all of your questions. First I need my lawyer present." Repeat these three sentences until your lawyer is present.
I couldn't agree more. Thank you for that advice
I am a USCCA instructor and this is almost exactly what we teach our students. The issue becomes how composed you as the victim can express yourself. If you can't think straight and are emotionally compromised, it's best to say very little and request an attorney. Even police have about 48 hours before they are questioned. Food for thought.
Which would be 99% of people. Those who are totally calm, having just shot someone during a life and death moment, might be of a psychopathic leaning.
It's telling that many far-left cities are now trying to remove that delay/window and force police officers to testify right away, and that testimony can be used against them by 'citizens review boards' that have independent police-sanctioning powers.
@c3bhm What's wrong with that? It's supposedly a democratic society, in which the police operate by the consent of citizens. It's only right that they should be held to account by those citizens. That includes you.
Trust me, you don't want to live in a society where the cops have free reign and can do as they please. It would be naive to think that the integrity of the police wouldn't head South, in a heart beat - as if they were in some less developed country - without answering to an independent authority.
That has nothing to do with being 'far left'. It's the spirit of American democracy and a safeguard against tyranny.
@@afroliciouspresents3603 WTF are you babbling about? The defund crowd wants to punish police. Having time to debrief and calm down is how,it should be. Police and citizens alike. You have obviously never had a traumatic event that required your brain to process it and that takes time. And yes, I have had those things happen to me so I know of what I am speaking.
@@takl23 I'm fluently conveying my opinion, not babbling.
This should be taught in schools. Very clear and actionable
What a great 60s radio voice!! Thank you for this valuable info. I gotta get trained. Asap
Great presentation. I should point out that the second half of “don’t talk to the police” is by a veteran police investigator, and it is just as worthwhile as the first half by the law professor.
And the officer said that he might one day become a defense attorney - which he did.
That law professor (who is an attorney) has a fundamental conflict of interest because his advice directly benefits his profession. A clean/legal shooting with an investigation-cooperative victim (of the crime) can easily result in the DA not issuing any charges in the first place. Happens WAY more often than a clean shooter getting charged with a crime. But if you stonewall the cops altogether there's a much higher chance of going to court/trial (which makes A LOT of money for attorneys, since now you're going to need one). So Ayoob's advice is fundamentally superior since he has no monetary conflict of interest.
@@c3bhm it’s still the right advice. A cop can twist your words or you could mis speak under pressure from a major event and being interrogated and now they have evidence against you. You aren’t ever going to talk your way out of a charge, only into one.
@@dickwellington8578 I remember "My cousin Vinny"; although it is a comedy, you can clearly see how their statement was twisted, like removing a ? mark, and turning it into an affirmation.
@@c3bhm And if you cant afford one, you will be given a public tender. *wink
As a former LE, this is great advice from MAS. Always invoke your right to remain silent. Cooperate at a later time with your attorney present.
NEVER invoke your right to remain silent and NEVER say that you will cooperate later with your attorney present. Just ask for your attorney and this will shut down the questioning. If it doesn’t, request to speak to a supervisor and tell him/her that you asked for your attorney and that you’re still being questioned about the incident.
There is nothing wrong with invoking your Miranda Rights.
You have ***The Right to remain silent.***
***Anything you do or say can be held against you in a Court of Law***
You have the Right to have an Attorney present during any (all) questioning.
If you cannot afford an Attorney, one will be provided to you free of charge..... ie a Public Defender.
Keep quiet, until your lawyer is present, calm down and organize your thoughts and recollection of what happened, and other salient details.
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ THIS STATEMENT COULD PREVENT YOU FROM A LIFELONG MISERY
@@zackiinu7194 You MUST invoke your right for it to take effect.
On another video on this topic, it was recommended to ask for medical assistance for yourself and the other potential victims. You will be in shock, as will your wife or family.
Your name is truly trusted! Your commentary is superb. Semper Fi
We need more voices of reason like Massad in our world - thank you for these videos
I came up through law school, worked in the federal courts, worked as a criminal defense attorney and always professed the rule to never ever talk to the police. I still feel that way after this video. I greatly appreciate this is well thought out advice, it is great advice 95% of the time. And in those cases it will speed your exoneration and maybe save you a night or two sleeping in a cell. But the advice of never talk to the police is good advice 100% of the time. There's a lot of reasons why I have heard this rule should be followed, and there's additionally many reasons I have found in my professional experience as well. It's axiomatic for a reason. I don't profess to be an authority so I'm not going to attempt to summarize. To be totally clear, I never defended anyone involved in a shooting where self defense was claimed. However, I have made numerous observations of police procedures, investigation and evidence gathering that don't leave me confident that the department investigating a crime involving me, a smoking gun, and an attacker I just turned into a lead pencil is guaranteed to 1) be competent, 2) be acting in good faith, 3) won't decide to just lock me up instead because 'reasons'. I've just seen too much stuff.
@@smithsmithersen1646 bullshit. What the cops "think" because I didnt answer questions is irrelevant at trial. Cops aren't mind readers and any attorney would object to the line of questioning before a witness drew a breath to answer. I don't give 2 shits what the cops "think" during their investigation. Only that I don't give them a reason to shoot me. You can never go wrong remaining silent. You can't talk your way put of handcuffs, but plenty of people have talked themselves into them.
Thank you, sir!
“Reasons” Lmmfao 😂😂😂 isn’t that the damn truth!!!!!
After being a victim of many assignments. I completely agree with you. Im not perfect and i am Pro-Police, but were literally at the mercy of who's wearing the badge
@@smithsmithersen1646 nobody has ever talked their way out of an arrest. It also seems you didn't watch the entire video because Mas said almost everything you remember will be distorted. Not flapping your yap means it can't be used against you as it most certainly will. Miranda states anything you say can be used against you. It never says it can be used to exonerate you. Don't be a fool and run your mouth because it will be impossible to stop after an extremely stressful event even after rehearsing. And quick tip. Cops will know if your help is rehearsed because it will sound rehearsed, making you look guilty.
A friend who had been a cop and worked for security shared a smoke screen with me.
To make it seem you are trying to cooperate say, "I'd really like to help you but right now I'm pretty shook up so I better not say anything till I see a lawyer."
If you are too calm and collected they might suspect you for a vigilante that has been involved in several shootings.
Thanks to your buddy
Beware of going to the hospital. They wrung out a confession from a man after the hospital loaded him up with drugs.
I don’t give a rats ass what they think… lawyer.
If the police are so offended and so cock-in-hand sure, they should have prevented said shooting.
Surprise; they didn’t. So I don’t want their opinion, to be Frank.
🤷♂️
I’m sure they’re fine people, but my lawyers finer.
That's the exact reason why you don't talk to them, even without a lawyer, your body and your brain need time to calm down so you can think straight after the rush of pure adrenaline.
Anyone that is calm and collected and gathered 5-20 minutes after a shooting is a psychopath and should be treated as such.
@@dazzling3237 Idk about all that, I mean the 1st time I shot someone I was shook up, the 12th time it happened it was another walk in the park. Then I got back home and 2 years later used my piece in self defense against thugs trying to rob me of my PS3, laid 1 down and the other 2 ran, I was calm with adrenaline for about 2 minutes. I still told the cops simple stuff like "I bought a PS3 and these 3 gentlemen came at me with knives trying to rob me, I defended myself" they keep pushing after that and I said "I'll tell you whatever you like when I have an attorney representing me present". Then they replied with "arr you a veteran? Active duty?" And I replied "would love to answer your question but as I said when I have an attorney representing me present only"!
It terrifies me to think if I, or one of my family members, or friends, are involved in a shooting with a criminal, and we have to worry about everything that we say to a police officer, because it can be misconstrued, and sound as if we are the perpetrator. Sad state of affairs we are in, w em the guilty seem to have more rights than we do.
I love listening to people with years of quiet, well-earned confidence talking about their craft.
Me Too!! So Humbling and brilliant.
As a person that’s been in a dynamic critical situation. I can tell you first hand, you’re in no condition to talk to the police. This is gonna sound weird but you can’t remember the situation minutes after it happens. You remember captions/pieces/snap-shots of what happened. The tunnel vision and adrenaline dump overloads the mind. In my specific situation. Two dudes tried an attempted robbery. One ran interference while the other sprang out with a gun.
I remember everything up until goon number two sprang out. After that it’s snap-shots. I remember being startled. I remember going for my weapon.Then I remember green dot front site,yellow dots rear sites,grey hoodie running away. Then all I remember is the gas pump clicking off when my vehicle was full. That kinda snapped me out if it.I can’t remember if I shouted anything.
It took almost six months to put those pieces together. There’s no way you can accurately explain the event hours after it happens. Later that night I went through the second guessing phase. Had to look it up. You second guess and analyze everything you can remember. Didn’t get much sleep that night. It’s been over a year now and can’t fully remember everything but I’ve put 95% of the event together. Keep in mind folks. I didn’t shoot theses two upstanding citizens of the United States. I can only imagine how much more that would have complicated this event.
So in conclusion. I highly recommended not talking to the police. I couldn’t have if I wanted to. I would have been all over the place. And as soon as you make a small mistake,they try to lock you into that statement. In my particular case, this was a brand new gas station/convenience store. So if needed HD video would’ve been my ultimate witness. Not something all self-defenders may have at their disposal. Stay safe guys.
Really glad you had enough wits about you to draw, defend yourself, and survive. Here's hoping you never have to deal with that again.
You describe classic physio/psychological symptoms of having been involved in a life threatening event. You are 100% correct cops are trained to take advantage of this both on scene and in the In-terror-gation room afterwards using the Reid Technique of Interrogation. Glad you made it out OK.
Maybe use an acronym like VOWEL "I was the Victim", "Oath to cooperate", "Witnesses", "Evidence", "Lawyer"
@Brian Ray, cool great idea!
OH I LIKE THAT!
Name, DOB, Victim, Lawyer. Nothing else.
Good advice, & clever.
Talking to the cops can NEVER help you.
I am 52 and my Brother and I always read your articles in gun magazines back in the 80s. Love seeing you on CZcams
This is spot on. No, you should not just STFU after a shooting, you should always establish that you are the victim and you defended yourself. Do this when you call 9-1-1. Everything else he points out is not in the category of talking with the Police, it's ensuring they don't miss anything. I've been both a police officer for a major CA city and a Federal Agent, I've seen how the process works at the State level and Federal level and this video is SPOT ON!
It's still very easy to screw yourself over with any amount of details you divulge. Like saying the perpetrators had guns when they had knives.
Especially easy when you're stressed and not thinking about what you're saying. And misremembering.
It's like asking for a lawyer when being interrogated. It's a much better move to make instead of staying silent. But most people are better off staying silent.
Any thing you say should be incredibly vague and abstract and any evidence for your innocence should be forwarded to your lawyer not the police.
Call the police say "I was attacked and I had to defend myself with lethal force" Or something along those lines. And then shut up and do whatever the police order you.
@@user-mc6dg6qe8l I agree. The discrepancy doesn’t even have to be as stark as guns vs knives. It can be details or combination of details that you got wrong or remember incorrectly in the future. A prosecutor in a criminal or defendant’s lawyer in a civil case will use every one of those mistakes against you to frame you as a liar. Doesn’t matter how innocuous the errors may be, they will add up.
Wow, a cop telling people to talk to cops?
Wow!
As an, “Ayoob Files” survivor (July August edition 1991) having been in the the gravest extreme situation personally. I agree with most of the things Mas has said, however every situation is different and it is not a one-size-fits-all program. I left the scene and it was fortunate that I did because someone came out with a shotgun and someone else came out with a 38 caliber revolver and I might not be here had I stayed. Added to the mess was that a incredibly corrupt cop with a checkered past fabricated evidence, lied and actually destroyed physical defense evidence. I was charged and faced many years in prison. I had a horrible prosecutor who was later disbarred. As a former cop and was and still am a licensed private investigator I was able to uncover their conspiracy. My jury acquitted me after only four minutes of deliberation! They demanded that the thug I shot five times and his daughter be charged with Perjury, Evidence and Witness Tampering. They both later plead guilty. Had I said anything that shitbag cop would have lied in court about what I told him. For me, leaving the screen and my silence was golden. I say when in doubt simply ask for a lawyer. Friendly appearing cops can be dangerous. Whatever you do don’t exaggerate or lie to police! My number one rule is always avoid conflict!
You shot the thug five times and he lived to tell about it? I mean this in the most humorous, well-meaning, smile-provoking way possible - time to upgrade from that .22 LR buddy! Just kidding!! =)
Seriously, the thug is lucky to be alive and it sounds like you are too. Thanks for sharing your perspective! =)
@@PurrsPlace Maybe God kept him alive so he could face punishment here on earth.
@@brettblack7049 You know, I hadn't thought about it that way. Thanks for the perspective! =)
This would make a good book!
@@brettblack7049 Skydaddy aint real buddy, It's just a warm blanket to protect you from facing reality.
When it comes to the police : remember -- if you say nothing , you won't be asked to repeat it - just say nothing - smile and be polite
Hands down- THE MOST valuable guidance offered free of charge. Thank you’ Mr. Ayoob for your guidance and partnership with responsible gun owners.
If you shoot someone in the city, STAND on the gun/knife/weapon they threatened you with until the cops show up. Because it will grow legs and vanish. Either because someone tries to simply steal it, or because you're the wrong color to someone who saw what happened. And in 2022, I would fully expect witnesses to lie if you don't match their skin color.
Damn bro you might wanna go outside and actually talk to people, it’s not really like that
@@dickwellington8578 Damn bro, I spent 20 years as a PI in one of the most violent cities in America. I am TELLING you it's like that. It's up to you to heed the advice or not.
@@Followme556 PI aren’t popular people because of your line of work. You think it had to do with or race or your occupation?
@@dickwellington8578 I think it has to do with a variety of factors. First and foremost being, There are a lot opportunistic criminals in the hood. And yes, race absolutely can play into it, though class plays into it as well.
absolutely, seen it first hand in some high profile cases in the last few years..... there was that case where the "victim" had ingested enough fentanyl to kill an elephant but it still ruled the suspect guilty....
I was once threatened by a guy who pulled a knife in me. The cops happened to be driving by at that exact moment, so I flagged them down rather than use my TKD on him. (I didn't have a gun or a knife of my own.) As it was, they drove by three times with the guy standing there holding a knife on me until I walked out into the street and blocked the 4th drive by.
Then the cops were pissed off at me even though I had waved them down 3 times and they just drove right on by.
When I walked into the street the guy through the knife in the grass, But I saw where it went. When I tried to point the knife out to the cop the knife wielder's Girlfriend stood on it and the cop played dumb.
He was all "What knife? I don't see any knife." I told him to have the woman move her foot. Instead, he took me aside and never bothered to look for the knife.
He did threaten to arrest me though. I think "Disturbing the peace" or something like that.
I haven't trusted police since.
Bro so next time you're on a jury, if the person say the cops are lieing, remember how they were with you. It my be true.
If you apply that logic to life, you wouldn't be able to trust any group, even your parents.
To fault an entire group for the failings of one or two is quite illogical and letting emotion rule over fact.
@@mark-1234 it this mark of the beast , this is the world we live in , who do you really work for.
@@RoyRoys-lu9zv - Your answer conveniently ignores my point. The entire scope of law enforcement cannot be judged by one or two individuals. To claim it can is to ignore every societal lesson you should have learned by now.
As to your comment regarding the mark of the beast and who I work for, I have no idea how that would relate to what I said.
So this cop wasn't Lt. Kenda, Columbo, or Dick Tracy. Get over it and have a weapon if ever again.
Thank you, sir, for good advice. I've had negative experiences talking to the police. No more!
You’re very informative, cohesive and knowledgeable. Thanks for the information.
Never talk to the police for anything other than courtesy and small talk. Period. There is NO WAY you can improve your situation by giving the police more info. Never in the history of the US has someone been convicted for shutting the fuck up. But PLENTY have been thrown in the can for something they did say.
Best advice I read in all these comments
Not even small talk.
1. Lawyer
2. 5th
@@mangomaniac4194 I meant small talk if you see them around. By no means small talk if they’re trying to pin something on you.
No, but it could result in unnecessary pre-trial confinement
@@eq1373 better than risking a conviction. Bottom line: lawyers get paid HUGE bucks to know about this and no component one will say “sure, ask questions without me, thats a GREAT idea”
The advice I got as a young defense attorney was that "nobody ever talked their way OUT of jail."
Nice saving that to my reminder s
How often did you defend a client who actually turned out to be innocent?
@@rayg.2431 Maybe 40 %. Although there is a difference between being innocent and the government being unable to convict. The more salient question would be how many clients that were innocent were convicted nonetheless.
Excellent addendum to the classic advice. Going to imprint this list on my brain, in case of trouble.
Been following Mas for over 30 years. LISTEN TO HIM. He knows what he is talking about. There is not another person on this planet wiser on these subjects. I have no perks to say what I'm saying but because I have listened to him I've made it through two life and death encounters I. Civilian life without drama I couldn't afford. Thanks Mas!
Kitty Genovese was the reason I became a police officer. After hearing about how over 30 people witnessed her murder and did nothing in NY, "The City Without a Heart" in 1964, not even calling the police after she was attacked not once but twice when the suspect returned to the scene to make sure she was dead. I swore I would never let that happen if I were around. This is Excellent advise. Also if you carry concealed, get the insurance that protects YOU in the event of a shooting , or even drawing you weapon and keep the phone number on your cell phone or wallet . Cell Phone, take pictures if you can remember that in the situation. You are the Victim or the Defendant in a Civil Suit.
There were not "over 30 witnesses" in that case, more like 2-3 eye witnesses and a few more that heard something. The police commissioner told the reporter there were 38 witnesses and the story inflated after that. It was a tragedy, and perhaps one of the few witnesses could have helped her, but there was no crowd standing around at 3:15 that morning.
@@macJohn1125 Yeah, that story is frequently a source of a lot of rumors and myth. The idea that no one contacted the police before the murder was over isn't true either. They had a couple of reports.
Bystander effect.
I talk crap about censorship tube all the time. But I'm damn grateful for knowledge transfers like this one.
Thank sir, and thank you Wilson Combat!
Mr. Ayoob, you’re awesome.
I was a PI in Killadelphia for 20 years. I had to talk to the cops all the time, and entertain such idiotic questions as "Why are you carrying a gun? Why are you filming? (either the subject or the cop) Why do you have body armor? What, do you think youre a cop? Why are your windows tinted?" and on and on and on.
The less you say to them- trust me- the better off you are. Most cops are not smart.
I agree 👍
Most people are not smart and as best as I can tell, the cops are people.
So you're saying to disregard this videos advice and not say anything at all tothe Police if you shoot in self defense?
@@MrHifihifi I listed some of my credentials, I specified the geographic area where I worked, I illustrated some of my personal experiences, and I gave my feelings on this subject.
You do what you want to do. I am not a lawyer, I do not give legal advice, and if you don't like my post you are welcome to a 100% refund for what it cost you to read it.
98% of the cops give the other 2% a bad name.
As a former LEO and prosecutor Massad gives the best advice on earth -- however you must follow it precisely. If you go beyond what he has said then you can get into treacherous areas. The challenge of all this is remembering the hard stop once you say what you have said. It's very hard to not feel awkward and not answer more questions once you've already cooperated. Therefore it's critical you do me no more (!) than what Massad says.
Signing up for a socialist jobs program where you work as a blue costume wearing gun grabber, carry out the orders of corrupt polticans and become a parasite on the taxpayers for the rest of your life is not something you should be proud of. Without the leeches of LE to enforce politicians edicts upon the public in exchange for taxpayer funded paychecks and pensions, every single anti-gun law ever written is a harmless suggestion.
@@jeffkaczmarek3577 You done venting yet venter? You people aimlessly babble all that nonsense online but never have all that to say to our (police officers) faces when we’re around. 🤔 Also it’s the “toughest” online talkers who are always dumb enough to use their extremely rare and uncommon legal names on CZcams and Facebook which any vulnerability explorer could easily track and lost your personal address here to prove a point. It’s never a Jack Smith that always has something tough to say with this type of stuff. There are only seven Jeff Kaczmarek’s in the entire nation as it could not be of the rarest names there is. 🥴. Use common sense for once.
@@DWCessna4130 You can't even dispute my argument, only make weak threats. If you know where I live, you're welcome to come try and shut me up at any time old man.
@@jeffkaczmarek3577 People like you talk shit and when your staring down the barrel of a gun you beg and plead for your life. You say the dumb shit you say because you don’t know any better. I can tell you’ve never even been in a fight in your life before. You say the and act the way you act because you’ve been allowed to your entire life. One day you’ll meet someone who will disallow your for once and you’ll shit yourself like the rest of them. I wonder if your this Jeff Kaczmarek from Dayton Ohio on Willow Brook Rd I’m seeing here? He looks about like a fkng tool. If I’m wrong there are only six others to pick from.
@@DWCessna4130 this guy looks about like an idiot , you have an email to post I will send you all of his personal info I’m looking at it bigger than shit. Cannot post it here it will be deleted. It’s not his name that tells me who he is it’s that phone in his hand and that is for sure his name.
Thanks for teaching me something I didn't know and I've been carrying a gun for many years with the job I have. Great Video! 👍
If you didn't understand what this man just got done going through watch the video again. This is one smart dude he put it so easy for you to understand 1st time I've ever seen kudos to you sir. I'm glad you're out there
What a blessing to have Ayoob’s wisdom imparted to us. May none of us ever need to employ it.
He Represents the gestapo. The USSA is a Pit of Vipers.
Don't! keep your mouth shut!!!!
Wtf?!!! He literally wants you to talk to cops after you shot somebody. That’s insane! He wants you to incriminate yourself by being a stupid lemming.
I was instructed the same thing. And if law enforcement decides to break the law and disregard what you just told them, tell them you need medical assistance immediately.
Massad is brilliant, this is some dam good advice, thank youi.
I took a deadly force seminar. Led by a 20 year cop, a defense attorney, and the formal DA for my county. All three said follow the script. "I was in fear for my life, I used deadly force to stop the threat. I invoke my 5th Amendedmet right, and will answer no questions until I speak with legal council." So I'm following the script.
Never heard of this human being until today, what a wealth of knowledge and experience.
U waited to long, better late than never
Yes he is awesome
Have you been in prison or living under a rock?
@@Jabroni2U possibly the dumbest comment I've ever read, especially 7 months after the original one.
@@jamesboyce9510 Jeezo Pete,jimmie, don’t be upset I pointed out your ignorance
As a teenager, the first self defense with a gun book I read was "In the Gravest Extreme" by Mas Ayoob. It is still one of the best that you can read!
Keep reading buddy... The way things stand in the US with so many righties and gun nuts with zero training and laws that allow you to be standing in your driveway and your neighbor walk up to you, shoot you dead, call the police, and as long as they say to the officers as they arrive that they shot in self defense because they feared for their life... You are dead and they walk... not even taken in for questioning. Yee Haw... that's America.
Amen!
Thank you Brother Ayoob. You are a National Treasure
I think it makes perfect sense to not want to get involved in an incident. Even when sometimes that’s exactly what you should do. Once I witnessed something at work, while in the cafeteria buying a snack. I went back to my desk and looked up that type of incident in the employee handbook and found out that I had a responsibility, bc of my position, so I reported it. Later the boss of the people involved chatted with me and the person who behaved inappropriately disappeared. I presume he was fired.
“I’d be happy to talk to you officer, but I promised my attorney many years ago that I wouldn’t talk to the police before I talked to him. I know this inconvenient for you but I feel obligated to keep my word.” Courteous and simple. The only exception to this is if it’s an obvious case of false identification.
If they say” are you John Smith” and you’re not , ok. That’s it.
Experienced police officers are experts at conducting an interrogation that sounds like a chat between friends. They always start with a smiling apology,
They will keep talking in a conversational tone and the next thing you know, you’re blabbing all over the place.
Don’t be lulled. Walk away. They’ll stop you if you’re under arrest. Otherwise walk away.
Another point: if they come to your house, they’ll ask to be invited in. The answer is, “I’m sorry, my house is kind of messy and I’d be uncomfortable with people coming in.” They’ll smile and say “Oh we understand, we don’t mind.” You say, “well I’m sorry but I’m not comfortable.” This is all particularly true if you didn’t know they were coming.
I’m a now retired attorney who spent many years as a federal prosecutor. I’ve seen it happen many times. The fact that you didn’t know you were being interrogated doesn’t matter. They don’t have to tell you that. I had a guy once who more or less admitted everything and at the end of the interview said “you didn’t read me my rights so you can’t use this against me.” He wasn’t under arrest so they didn’t have to. Bad for him.
how much is my lawyer to have him there at the site?
@@PM-oh5xs ha ha. Actually you wouldn’t want him there. Part of the point is you meet with him later and cook up your story…or, more politely, “ clarify” your recollection of what happened. Often the lawyer meets with the da to find out what they think before you talk to the po-po.
@@butchie2752 And lawyers become your leaders, politicians. Its one BS system. Do you see something wrong there?
@@Sig_P229 Public school?
I wouldn't have a problem living somewhere else. Why take the side of the abuser? If more people weren't so indoctrinated, there could be real progress. Your argument seems to be... It's worse in some other places so shut up and don't complain about the problems here. The democratic process sure as shit isn't going to help. People have been voting their asses off for a couple hundred years now and things just keep getting worse.
I read "In the Gravest Extreme" in the early 80's when I bought my first handgun. It is full of INVALUABLE education, even though if you read it now it's sort of hilarious. It was written before cell phones, even basic ones so try to imagine how many ways that'll affect your actions. It was a great book.
I will look that book up sounds like a good read
"Be ready to hire an artist to sketch out the scene. It's good practice to immediately send a telegraph to your attorney. If you don't have his information memorized, carry your Rolodex with you." LOL
Thanks. Another thing to consider is your health. Being in a situation like that has definitely impacted you physically, ask to be taken to the hospital.
Great advice - Never ever talk to the 🚨 period!
It is entirely irresponsible of police and the justice system to be suspicious of people who want lawyers, that is a training failure!
A lot of cops view all citizens in contempt. Hope you dont run into one of those.
@Rusty Highlander I would urge you to still carry combo pepper spray/mace. It works great.
@@Followme556 Just don't take it to a gunfight.
@@tyrantworm7392 Better than taking nothing to a gun fight.
Im gonna re watch this vid over and over again when im done at the range every time im done at the range till it sticks
I just watched this again , Thank you sir
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and WILL be used against you. Generally I agree with Mr. Ayoob, limited info.
I was attacked from behind in the middle of the night with multiple witnesses. The detective took my wife's purse with her credit cards, license, conceal carry permit, insurance card, phone, I guess she had a panic attack and the EMTs took her purse and gave it to the detective. She told the detective she has a permanent life threatening medical condition and needs her license and insurance to continue getting medical help (this was during the pandemic). The detective scheduled a time for her to go pick up her things, an hour before she left on the day of the pick up, he text her and demanded she give him her pin to her cell phone, otherwise he wouldn't give her license back. She refuses and a year later she never got her license or insurance credit cards ect. We spoke to a lawyer who said the police in our area routinely blackmail victims in this manner and the only thing we can do is pay thousands of dollars just to get her purse and such. At the time in our city there was a 4+ month wait to get another license since her original license was from another state. Police are not your friends and are not here to help you.
You bet ! The pigs are NOT our friends!
Most cops are people that are unteachable or have personality problems that prevent them from making an honest living in a free market. Many are packing grudges from childhood and are a clear and present danger to us all.
If this is true, why didn't you sue them?
@@eodyn7 Why didn't I sue them? Bevause every lawyer I talked to wanted a retainer and expenses to start, and I was working for a living as an hvac installer and couldn't afford it. I had a better chance of winning a case against the local newspaper that got the details wrong and printed an article on page 2 of the Sunday paper that named ME as the aggressor. I called them, threatened a lawsuit and they printed a correction in Monday's paper that no one reads.
And wtf with the " if this is true"
You must be a cop
@@Zapheteroped thats the problem with our system and why it needs to go, police force and government and all. and people are pushing to ban automatic weapons when not only should everyone have one but we should all have rocket launchers too because the reall enemy is right here in our country and what happens when the government is purpatraitor of a crime? who will hold them accountable? themselves?
Cops are not your friend and they do not want to help you ! they are more concerned with stealing all your stuff and keeping it, you CAN NOT TRUST THE POLICE THEY ARE THEIVES !!
Mas' book Deadly Force is a must read for any firearm owner
Yes, commen sense, this is why I subscribed, thank you!
Great points. As morbid as it sounds, being able to talk to the police is a significant advantage to the vertical.
Obviously it can work against you, as well.
Actually cooperating with the police cannot help you and I would like to refer to you a video called “Don’t talk to the police” by Professor James Dwayne.
I live out in the country and power walk at 4 am before I go to work. I was stopped last week by a sheriff’s deputy who claimed that he just wanted to do a “wellness check”. He started questioning me by asking for my SS#. That’s when I knew that I wasn’t answering ANY QUESTIONS. He was relentless, but I very politely told him that I was going back to my routine and I wasn’t so much as giving him my name.
be careful what state your in, sometimes the state requires you to stop and identify. I don't agree with it but its just some friendly advice. They way it should be is when a corrupt person is trying to screw you you should have the right to defend yourself from criminals citizens or police and put them in the ground if thats what needs to happen.
Just say one word,...ATTORNEY, over and over until they shut up.
@@truthdoesnotexistot without probable cause.Failure to iD is a secondary charge after a person has been arrested with a primary charge.Forced ID is a violation of constitutional 4th amendment
@@piewhackit2me In most jurisdictions, if you are not driving, all you have to do is verbally tell the officer your name and date of birth, this defeats any chance for a failure to ID charge. There is no law as far as I am aware that says you have to have proof of ID on you at all times, with the exception being if you are driving.
Sage advice. I hope that I never wind up in a situation like that. Thanks.
Any time!
My friend is a reputable attorney in MN. He said state you’ll comply but won’t answer any questions until an attorney is present. If they ask for your gun have the police remove it from your holster just in case any of them are on edge. He said document document document until police arrive. This can be photo, videos, or taking notes on your phone so it’s easier to recall details if needed. He also said, you’ll likely forget this step due to stress, shock, etc.
Much like this video stated, he said too often police respond to crimes vs. positive situations, he asked a rhetorical question of “How many times are the police called by someone to report good?” Also, he said they’re trained to use tactics that coerce confessions, and if you accidentally state something incorrectly they will use it against you for charges and in court.
Further he said in a self defense shooting, the police will likely still state that if you don’t cooperate they’ll be forced to arrest you, which by itself causes fear, and puts you under more stress where you may not be in the best state of mind to be answering questions. Which is why he said be polite, state you’ll comply, but you also need an attorney present because that’s how you were trained in your in your permit to carry or self defense class.
I’ve been in a high stress situation where my adrenaline rush didn’t wear out until about an hour later. I don’t think I should answer any questions while I’m not in a clear state of mind after a violent encounter.
Working in LE for 25 years, don’t talk to police until your attorney is PRESENT! Anything you say can and will be used against you! You can say the person attacked you and you’re willing to give a statement with your attorney present! Seek medical attention immediately as you can be in shock!
I would be in shock. I went into shock simply witnessing a cyclist almost dying in front of me as I waited at a stop light (in my car). I realized it about 15 minutes later at the gym. So I sat in a daze for about 1/2 hour till I came out of it.
Another great video! Thank you for sharing
great video... very informative... THANK YOU !!!
As a lawyer, I believe you should retain a lawyer before you decide to carry a gun. I also told my clients that if a police officer asks you the time of day, tell him you want to talk to your lawyer. The police are NOT your friends.
They are looking to wrap every situation up as quickly and with as nice a bow as possible.
Neither are bloodsucking lawyers who only want your money. If I was a lawyer I’d also tell everyone to get a lawyer… makes business since for someone who charges $100s by the hour.
@@Rhinopotamus I am a patent lawyer. I don’t represent people who have had the misfortune to have had to use their gun. But having someone to call in the middle of the night when you’ve got a dead burglar on your kitchen floor makes sense. That is NOT the time to have to hunt a lawyer who will take your case.
@@CCoburn3 You want people to call you every time they talk to an Officer so you can make money.
Have them do that on a traffic stop, and see how that goes. Hint: Not well for them, but well for you because if they call you automatic $100+ dollars you get to charge them. You fucks are so slimey you'll slander everyone else while robbing the innocent blind.
I've been accused of a Class A Felony. I knew I was innocent. I knew I had nothing to hide. If I'd taken your advice I'd have owed some schmuck thousands of dollars. Instead I willingly talked to the police and told them my side of the story, showed them the evidence I had, and guess what? Six hours later I was released I didn't have to pay a lawyer or a bond and was never charged. Cops might not be your friends, but they aren't your enemy either unless you're a criminal. Lawyers though are never your friend. They are the slimiest form of businessman.
Edit: Fucking mind boggling that you think if a cop asks you the time of day he’s trying to get you for a crime. Living proof you can go to college, get a degree, and still be laughably stupid.
@@Rhinopotamus have you ever hired a lawyer
Thanks for talking like a human, not a lawyer. Have spoken with several people who have survived such events, everyone was different other than the assailant was killed. Most got taken to the hospital after the event. Thought that they were having a heart attack, the adrenaline rush was that bad. Like you said, we're dealing with an apex predator. Most people don't have any preparation for these events.