Massad Ayoob's opinion about the Kyle Rittenhouse trial - Critical Mas episode 22
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- The case of Kyle Rittenhouse gripped the nation. It was the most high profile 2nd Amendment trial in years. Massad Ayoob has been part of similar trials as an expert witness for decades. Our viewers have asked for his opinion on the trial. What did they do right? Where did they go wrong? Mas lays it all out.
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Critical Mas(s) with Massad Ayoob is a show that provides expert analysis over a wide range of contemporaneous topics related to civilian and law enforcement self defense, the use of force, and second amendment issues, provided by a renowned and established author with a career spanning decades in training law enforcement officers and the public at large, who is frequently called upon to provide expert witness testimony.
ABOUT MASSAD AYOOB:
Massad Ayoob has been handgun editor of GUNS magazine and law enforcement columnist for AMERICAN HANDGUNNER since the 1970s, and has published thousands of articles in gun magazines, martial arts publications, and law enforcement journals. He is the author of some twenty books on firearms, self-defense, and related topics, including “In the Gravest Extreme” and “Deadly Force,” widely considered to be authoritative texts on the topic of the use of lethal force.
The winner of the Outstanding American Handgunner of the Year Award in 1998, Mas has won several state and regional handgun shooting championships. Ayoob was the first person to earn the title of Five Gun Master in the International Defensive Pistol Association. He is the current President of the Second Amendment Foundation. He served 19 years as chair of the Firearms Committee of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers, and several years as a member of the Advisory Board of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association. In addition to teaching for those groups, he has also taught
for the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors and the International Homicide Investigators seminars.
Mas has received judicial recognition as an expert witness for the courts in weapons and shooting cases since 1979, and served as a fully sworn and empowered, part time police officer for 43 years, mostly at supervisor rank. Ayoob founded the Lethal Force Institute in 1981 and served as its director until 2009, and now trains through Massad Ayoob Group. He has
appeared on CLE-TV delivering continuing legal education for attorneys, through the American Law Institute and American Bar Association, and has been retained to train attorneys to handle deadly force cases through the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. Ayoob served for two
years as co-vice chair of the Forensic Evidence Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. He also appeared in each episode of Personal Defense TV (Sportsman’s Channel).
0:00 - The Kyle Rittenhouse Case
0:55 - Jacob Blake Riots
2:20 - Legality of the Weapon
3:00 - Doctrine of Necessity
4:30 - The Four Shootings
6:50 - Know when to Stop Shooting
7:45 - Demonization of the AR-15
9:10 - Don't Embellish the Truth
10:00 - Should he have stayed away?
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We want to hear from you too! What was your opinion of the trial? Do you agree with Massad, or did you see it differently?
I wanna hear about that A Hole Prosector Binger and his dirty tactics he pulled or tried to pull.
All I know is from this video; truth. After less than ten minutes, no question.
Blame the politicians for allowing the situation that created this . DA was a complete moron thankfully.
Having the "Right" doesn't mean you're in the Right. If he was there as a medic he should have been unarmed but with escort. My personal opinion.
WC I confess that I started watching prepared to contest at least part of the presentation. Massad presented a concise, balanced perspective on the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. The only things I would emphasize differently are that Kyle worked in Kenosha, his father and grandmother lived in Kenosha, and the Illinois/Wisconsin border is something like 1-1/2 miles from Kyle’s home. The attack media kept repeating the “he crossed state lines” crap over and over, so it’s important to get those facts out.
I thought Rittenhouse had exercised amazing self control during the attacks on him, but Massad made an excellent point - Kyle stopped shooting the instant the threat to himself ceased every time. Even if it didn’t help him in the trial, that is the right thing to do. I hadn’t really thought as much about knowing when to stop shooting, but it is so important as Massad points out.
Finally, Massad addressed the troubling issue for me in this whole case in a very reasonable way. Should Kyle have put himself in harms way while carrying an AR-15? No - in my opinion. His motives were all good AFAICT; however, he did not need to be there. I am very glad that he was not seriously injured himself, and even happier that the jury refused to convict him in this clearly politically motivated trial. But it was a situation a 17-year old should have avoided.
“Knowing when to stop shooting is every bit as critical as knowing when to start.”
So important. So well said.
The police could learn that lesson; in too many police shootings the cops will mag-dump, which greatly increases the chance of someone other than the armed perp getting hit, as happened with the nurse in Louisville who was killed when her idiot boyfriend fired one shot, and the cops replied with over 20 shots.
@@gregb6469 That is because there is cases where people who have been shot a dozen or more times still manage to run, get into vehicles and start driving. Adrenaline can make the body do incredible things beyond normal. Police are trained to "terminate the threat" immediately and that unfortunately means end their life to save your own and others. Also when you are in that state, you cannot pause to think about anything because milliseconds matter. It is easy to sit here and think about it because we are not involved and have no clue what it is like under that condition, of life or death. And, not all bullets are going to hit the target in the right spot, center of mass, so the more shots the greater likelihood to end the threat. This sadly can lead to innocent bystanders getting hit or killed like you mention, but it is a necessary measure to combat evil. I hope that made sense. I agree it sucks, but I also sympathize with the police putting their lives in basically war zones, for the better of society.
@@leadgindairy3709 Just like Binger seemed to think Kyle could have paused to consider the result of his first shot at Rosenbaum. It was a ludicrous thing for Binger to try and insinuate that Kyle had heaps of time, when the defense made it clear that Kyles first defensive, was four shots fired in less than a second.
@@leadgindairy3709 -- No cop should ever go into panic mode when facing a perp. They MUST be taught to fire one or two shots, then stop to see what effect their shots are having. In most cases the perp will either have been hit and have gone down, be trying to surrender, or be fleeing. In almost no cases is a spray-and-pray mag dump ever justified.
I'm thinking, if knowing when to start shooting saves my life, then it might be ever so slightly more important to me than knowing when to stop. Just a thought.
Craziest thing about the trial was that Binger said he would not have prosecuted the rioters if they had killed Kyle. It’s beyond me how anyone can remain employed after publicly refusing to perform duties of their position.
you can never underestimate the stupidity and ignorance of people.
Just look to the prosecutors in LA, San Fran, Portland and Seattle, etc.
Welcome to the neo liberal state of mind.
The judge is liberal but stuck to the law. Props to him for interpreting the law 100%!
Why would he prosecute the blackshirts of his government? They were only following orders.
As it's been said, 100% of the people that did not attack Mr.Rittenhouse were untouched
From what I've seen he wasn't the aggressor at any point. You could argue maybe he shouldn't have been there probably shouldn't in my opinion. But when you're there and you're being attacked you have a right to defend yourself! I'll never disagree with that! A lot of people end up in places they probably shouldn't be doesn't mean you can't defend your life! Especially when you're being attacked!
@@bobbob-vi4jx given the circumstances he was in I think I can buy that our justice system can not, and probably should not, convict him of murder. but, he's on record as viewing those protesters very negatively to the point of believing some of them deserve to die. he went out there that night not perhaps with the intent to kill, but with an expectation that he might need to kill (or perhaps more like: "get to" kill). at a bare minimum, he deliberately put himself in a position where he would be forced to defend himself with lethal force and then he defended himself with lethal force. every action he took before he killed, and after, indicates that he's a menace to society in that he views people of certain political views to be expendable or worthy of state-sanctioned murder. and, that he will happily carry out those murders if given the chance - hopefully he never actually gets to become a cop
I hope the civil actions against him, and his reputation, render him destitute for life and selling right-wing coffee for a living as the only job he can get. it would be more than he deserves. sadly I probably hope for too much
I also think it's instructive to compare and contrast the treatment of rittenhouse by the state, with the treatment of michael reinoehl who also defended himself as rittenhouse did, but instead of becoming a cause celebre for the right he was the victim of an extrajudicial murder at the hands of the state
@@msdos_kapital I hope you suffer every tragedy you've wished upon Rittenhouse.
Except for the children the pedo touched.
This does have a pretty decent point !
In my 30 year police career, I probably learned at least 75% of my "Use of force" report writing skills from reading Mr. Ayoob's books and listening to his lectures, and nearly 100% of my ability regarding how to clearly articulate the justification for a proper use of force in court and during Internal Affairs interviews. Mr. Ayoob, although I have never had the honor of meeting you in person, I cannot thank you enough
I too appreciate Mr Ayoob’s clear explanation of self defense. My curious question to you, as a 30 year experienced police officer is how would you of handled seeing a person walking toward you with a semi auto rifle during a riot?
@@Ostrich101R Action would depend on the context. Taking cover would be the first move regardless. Then evaluate: Is the person walking toward me with the rifle approaching in an attack posture, a defense posture? Is he yelling aggressively or offering help? am I under fire? Does the person with the rifle respond to and/or cooperate with any verbal or other directions I might give? There's not one good answer to your general question. If your question is; Does a police officer treat armed citizens like criminals? Answer: No, it depends on the circumstances and context. Best advice, if you are armed, stay inside and let the criminals come to you then repel them on your own terms and home grounds. Let the cops handle the outside.
You probably hear this a lot, but thank you for your bravery and courage in serving your community.
@@anusmcgee4150 Mr. McGee, I always appreciate the sentiment you expressed but no thanks are necessary. I considered it a privilege to serve the city where I worked and I believe it is I who owe thanks to the good people who built a community so worthy of protecting; giving meaning and importance against some of the dangers of the job. It makes it easier to live with this plate in my head. It was worth it.
Too bad your writing skills never involved learning about run-on sentences.
It absolutely floored me when the prosecutor seized on the use of FMJ ammo as evidence of wanton recklessness. First they tell us that the use of hollow-point bullets is sinister... now we can't use FMJ either? Sorry, but nobody loads 5.56 ammo with Nerf dart tips.
I think he was trying to imply that the .223 was a hollow point, which it is not. And that hollow points are exploding rounds, which they are not. The judge derailed that train. In fact, if he’d gone farther into it, he may have found that the Glock that Grosskreutz aimed at Kyle was loaded with hollow points, which is the right carry round for a pistol anyway.
True BUT any 5.56mm rifle owner, armed defender can buy ammunition suited to personal defense. Like Hornady TAP 5.56mm.
yeah when that was said i lol and asked do you want us to use Soft Points then
No matter what he had in it, it would have been "the worst kind", because they lie.
I have actually heard a defense att. say not to load your carry guns with "Zombie Killer" rounds or put "make my day" grips on them either. Anything that makes you look like you want to shoot, will be amplified to make you look crazy. Just like you really don't want cute signs talking about how you shoot intruders on your front door.
And all the "high powered rifle" crap. I wanted the defense to scream "Objection! Facts not in evidence!" A 5.56/.223 is not HIGH powered.
I was just a kid in the early 1970s when I first picked up my brother in laws books that you wrote. Little did we both know 45 years later I'd be still a fan of yours. Thank u Sir for helping to shape my life. Your a National Treasure!!!!
I've read and heard articles by Ayoob since the 1980s. Combat Handguns, American Handgunner. Ayoob had LFI for years. He trained 1000s of police, service members, ccw users.
That is awesome!
What are some good books by Ayoob that you'd recommend for someone who has never read any of his work?
@@jazeenharal6013 In the Gravest Extreme
@@Paelorian thank you very much. I'll try to find a copy.
When I learned self-defense in the 1990s you, Mr. Massad Ayoob, were one of the most prominent authorities. I learned so much from you and I'm so grateful for everything you taught me then. It is amazing to me that in the 2020s you are still here, explaining self-defense in the new medium of CZcams. Thank you so much for everything you did and everything you're still doing.
I picked up his books on the newstand in the late 1980s.
This man just earned my respect. Erudite, coherent, decisive.
Due to the current state of affairs I didn’t expect justice to prevail but it did.
The judge was on Kyle's side for sure,foolish prosecution helped.
@@paulscountry456 what helped the most was the evidence it was purely a defensive shooting. Stop trying to legitimize a case that should have never been brought.
What? I thought he was acquitted????
By the grace of God. System won't let it happen again if they can help it.
fact is, it's the "foolish" acts that change the course of law, culture, and politics. rittenhouse was a necessity. america needed rittenhouse. the justice system needed rittenhouse's example
I watched the entire trial and that was the most dishonest prosecution I have ever seen. The prosecutor flat lied to the jury. He made fun of the skateboard as a deadly weapon.
And attorney Kraus said something along the lines of “sometimes you just have to take a beating.” It was the most absurd prosecution attempt I’ve ever seen
Unfortunately that behavior is all too common from both counsel tables. Not just the prosecution.
@@nathanbryant9658 That fat tub prosecutor could not take a beating, but told a teen to get your ass whipped by a mental unstable Pedo.
I agree. The FBI and ATF are no 👼🏼. They too made major errors, cover ups.
It was the nail in the coffin to my anti death penalty stance
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The cross examination of Prosecution's witness Gaige Grosskreutz was absolutely amazing if you know a thing or 2 about trials.
When Kyle's lawyer got him to admit that he didn't get shot until he was aiming his gun at Kyle, I was like "that should be 'trial's over'".
Best defense witness ever.
As a skateboarder, a good board and it’s parts are meant to endure lots of abuse from skating handrails, doing tricks down stairs or gaps and then you have to land back on that board with your bodyweight at full force. You’re damn right a piece of equipment like that can kill you if you Swing it as hard as he was! Kyle’s reactions were 100% self-defense! 🚀✨🚀✨🚀
Totally agree... you get whacked by the edge of one, you are going down. Is was the second story I saw where protesters used a skateboard.
The other case was a person defending a statue and a few protestors started wailing on the person, once in the , and the protestor got in trouble for brandishing a weapon afterwards. I was like :" what the ef"... If you are or were a skater you know those suckers can be deadly. I almost knocked myself out once doing something stupid with a board and it winged around and clipped (we didn't have to wear helmets back then). We chalk that up to learning...I digress. anyway, certainly can be used as a weapon. I don't know what happened in the end to the person defending the statue. The article was already slanted.
As someone who knows getting hit with any fast moving objects with even slightly substantial mass is deadly, I can confirm this is true
Hi, the trucks can do damage as well.
@@clutchpedalreturnsprg7710 Especially if it is a brand like “independent” which is What i skate. They are very robust and beefy.🚀✨🚀✨🚀
Fists and feet can kill you. Especially coming from multiple sources.
Having watched the trial, I find it outrageous that both members of prosecution counsel are not facing disbarment for misconduct.
Unfortunately, prosecutors pretty much routinely do asinine and nonsensical things, because their mindset is usually winning a case at all costs. It's just like some of the creative fantasies that defense attorneys can be expected to apply. Lawyers are trained in basically complicating the obvious, and skewing things to benefit their positions.
Having watched the trial pretty much in its entirety, the prosecution was clearly not focused on right or wrong legal or illegal. They simply wanted a win no matter the cost to justice. Now imagine being a poor person who could not afford the defense that young rittenhouse was lucky to have afforded to him. Those people represent a scary percentage of people in prison. Let's keep being upset, now that we know how prosecutors operate. Let's demand change before it happens to one of us or a loved one. The legal system is broken.
@@badmandansanchez1823 Understatement of the year.
@@joetaylor8687 part of the reason I went into Powersports repair, after finishing pre law. Odds are I would have started out as a public defender, in either a county, or city jurisdiction.
At the time I was married to a survivor of child abuse, and had been helping my grandparents with their foster kids, from similar backgrounds, for a little mover 10 years.
I was also raised by parents that wpiod have taken me out, and the body would not have turned up, had I ever done something along those lines myself.
Imagine me having to defend a pedophile. Couldn't have done it. There's just no way.
Better to change directions a few grand in, than to have to find work, after being let go, for refusing clients.
Even if they ranked between pond scum and that white crust that forms around your mouth, when you're really thirsty.
Also saw.some of the same tactics used by Binger, used by a.few prosecutors in NY, where I lived at the time. And that's not even getting into the shit laws of that state.
Moved to Florida with that wife, and went to MMI in Daytona. Got divorced there, moved back north, put 4 years in at a local dealership, met my current wife, and we opened our own shop in PA.
20 years later, we're happy, business is doing great, recently expanded and opened up our own dealership, daughter works at Cleveland Clinic, and we are happy with where we are. No regrets.
The prosecutors were constantly trying to move the trial out of the courtroom and into the court of public opinion. Their conduct was nothing short of disgusting!
Mr. Ayoub is quite the professional. My thoughts as a retired 20 year U.S. Army Vietnam veteran are these. Do we want to confront danger? No, of course not. But sometimes when others run and hide a meager few step up and draw a line in the sand and say "No further!" The military is one group, the police are another and sometimes its the average citizen who realizes "If not me to protect my loved ones, then who?"
"Do we want to confront danger? No, of course not." LOL. Meanwhile in pesky ol reality land, Kyle left home wander across state lines looking for danger, and brought a gun because he intended to shoot someone as soon as he found the chance. He's nothing more than a poster child for bad parenting, and you ammosexuals fantasize about being him because you wish you could get away with murdering your fellow Americans just like he did.
Also noteworthy, the vaporized bicep guy, did try to shoot Rittenhouse after getting to the curb he sat on after being shot. The round misfired and was then cleared from the chamber, it was found on the ground near the pistol. How Rittenhouse's attorneys didn't expand or see that I have no idea. But they missed that although it was mentioned in the trial.
And one satisfactory note, the poop head that had his bicep blown off had to enter the witness protection program and one night, as he tried to cross a road, a black guy in a car ran him over. He was in the hospital with a lacerated liver along with some other injuries. Verse in the Bible...."Be not deceived, God is not mocked. For whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap."
Justice delivered! In Minneapolis blacks and everyone else had AK-47s and other guns in front of businesses. The Minneapolis Police gave guns back to people who were not allowed to have guns, i.e. illegal guns, during the looting and arson. In St. Paul they still just confiscate guns at traffic stops from people who cannot legally possess a gun!! No charges or arrests of the illegal gun possessor!!
I'm gonna go WAY out on a limb and guess that Kyle's lawyers ignored that fact because it shows Kyle shot first...this shit aint rocket science folks.
Liberals can't discern reality because they don' t do their own independent research., they are a cult who just believe the narrative the enemy tells them to believe in cabal controlled mainstream media.
If they watched the actual trial start to finish there would be no doubt in their minds Kyle wasted all the right people at the right times for a perfect case of self defense. And due to all the footage, the jury was basically able to be there to see it all unfold with their own eyes.
@@TwoTreesStudiothe bicep guy actually pointed a handgun at the back of Kyle’s head “execution style” when Kyle spun around and vaporized the bicep
As a police officer, firearms instructor, and academy instructor it was clear after seeing the compilation of all the videos of these shootings Mr. Rittenhouse was acting in self defense at the time of the shootings. He acted only when he felt his life was in danger and ceased shooting when it was not. This was clearly a politically motivated prosecution. Your breakdown of the events is spot on. Why he was there is irrelevant. This is still a free country and he can go wherever he wants to. People climb cliffs and fall off and people rarely ask why they climb the cliff. The prosecution's arguments about the legality of the gun possession and questioning why Rittenhouse was even there lends to a totalitarianism of thought and control over the people. The courts should have never allowed this prosecution in the first place.
I am also a firearms instructor and concur with your assessment completely. I had a student who disagreed and asked to state her case and we just stated facts and then she understood and changed her assessment and agreed with mine.
Why he was there is certainly not irrelevant, any more than why violent protestors were there was irrelevant. If he had revealed to people he was with that night that he was hoping to shoot some protestors, that would not have been a great intention to have to offset in court.
But he was a public spirited person whose main goal in life was to help others. His career path included EMT, and something else that was public spirited. Interesting parallel to George Zimmerman, where you have individuals who maybe should have stayed out of harm's way on the days in question, but were people who want to help others and to some degree will take on personal risk to do so. Zimmerman assisted at a Hwy accident shortly after his acquittal.
@@HondoTrailside yeah, I agree. In fact, even though he may have gone there to help, I still think it was a stupid move, especially bringing his rifle. Yeah, like Mas said, being armed in that circumstance is reasonable, but if your only option(especially if you're only 17 with little to no training) is to open carry an AR, then maybe its best to stay home. Especially since his stated reason for being there was to defend the car dealership. My problem with a lot of these people who go out to "counterprotest", or to be helpful, defend buildings, property, peace, etc. and bring their rifles along is, what do they plan on doing if deadly force is not justified? Obviously you can't just shoot someone for breaking into a building or vandalizing cars, and if someone who's unarmed attacks them, or they get into a physical altercation with such a person, what are they going to do? I feel like a lot of these folks just don't think this stuff through, or think about everything that could go wrong. In fact, if Kyle never went that night(or if he had just didn't bring his rifle) almost certainly nobody would have died/got shot.
That's not to say I think it was "all his fault", or that he should have been found guilty. I think the circumstances were just enough on his side that it would be very difficult to find him guilty of murder(or of being an "active shooter" or "mass shooter" or whatever nonsense the prosecutor claimed.)
As for Zimmerman, I tend to disagree. He went after a 17 year old(I think?) unarmed kid, just because he "looked suspicious"(not sure how.) In my personal opinion, he wasn't "just trying to do good", he wanted to play "I'm a cop." He wanted to feel like a badass or hero, despite the police literally telling him _not_ to follow him, or engage him(again, my just my opinion.)
Was he legally justified in shooting Treyvon? I guess...? I don't know. We only have Zimmerman's testimony. So if what he said is true, then yes, a self defense case could be warranted. However, even if he was legally justified, or there was not enough evidence to find him guilty of murder, doesn't mean he isn't "morally guilty", or that he doesn't at least share some of the blame. He introduced a gun to the situation, and chose to emgage/follow the kid.
Not only that, but his actions and some of the this us he's said since the shooting have left me thinking he's kind of a piece of shit.
I disagree with the piece of shit who commented before me.
@@Mockturtlesoup1 "if Kyle never went that night(or if he had just didn't bring his rifle) almost certainly nobody would have died/got shot." WRONG If Kyle had gone there without the rifle... HE WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED. Why were those men chasing him??? Because he had a rifle??? NO. They were chasing him because he put out a fire one of them started. They were trying to burn another place down... and he was stopping all their fun. The reason Kyle was there... was because the police and fire departments were told to STAND DOWN and watch the city burn. If YOUR home and/or YOUR business was being set ablaze... and the police and fire department just stood there and explained that they were not allowed to "interfere" with the fun... you would simply hand the rioters some hot dogs and tell them to have fun roasting them over the coals of YOUR properties??? WARS are fought for buildings and properties. And, a riot IS a war.
I always enjoy listening to Mr. Ayoob. He is a voice of reason and wisdom and is someone worth learning from. Many thanks to Wilson Combat for making his presentations available to us.
+1 Massad Ayoob knows a lot & his input in modern cases, helps.
He could easily play GOD if they make a new series, his demeanor and voice say it true
As my dad would say, “That’s sage advice, and you would be wise to listen.”
I have read your writings from many magazines, articles and different sources, now on these videos and I never cease to be amazed at your knowledge and ability to articulate your thoughts to the layman like myself. Thank You.
Massad... Thank you for your very intricate well thought out well explained views on everything firearm related. And I'm also proud to say that this man has helped us here in New Hampshire beyond measure. As New Hampshire native I am proud of this man and everything that he stands for. Thank you again. 🔥
Very well said as always... I completely understand why he went and I think anyone who didn't fall for the BS the media and that garbage of a human being DA was saying also understood why he went. If riots erupted in my town and people were burning and looting I'd want to do something about it also we need more Kyle Rittenhouse's in the world...
“One man’s foolishness is another man’s courage and commitment “. Spoken like a wise man Massad. I like your analysis
But so is ‘one man’s inaction is another man’s opportunity to also not act”…
2019 was a year of ‘Good Men Doing Nothing” while our cities burned, leaving the very few who did stand up, facing Persecution by the state, standing alone.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon I don’t know what this means
This man is a national treasure. Period.
"One man's foolishness is another man's courage and commitment." Well said.
"It is a wise man who knows - where courage ends - and foolish begins"
The important thing is that a precedent was not established that Left fascist rioters have the right to kill anyone they like, for whatever reason, and that the potential victim has no right whatsoever to fight back.
Discretion is the better part of valor.
@@chemicalcowpoke307 Confucius say, "When three man force boy with assault rifle to fight or die, they usually get fight."
@@DrCruel WTF are talking about," Left fascist rioters" You don't even know what fascist mean,
"have the right to kill anyone they like for whatever reason". So what "rioter" killed someone or "thought they could kill ANYONE they LIKE for WHATEVER"?!?! Only people I see getting away with murder are cops and right wingers
"and that the potential victim has no right whatsoever to fight back" You people just say some of the dumbest s**t.
I worked in Kenosha at the time, I followed every thing I watched the whole trail the morning after my son who worked 3rd shift text me don,t go to work ,that's when my son and I got permits and started carrying ever since.Kyle was self defending. Our government let those riots happen. Couple of interesting facts the FBI supplied the prosecutor clear night vision footage that wasn't shown to defense theirs was a low pixel blurry useless version. A couple years prior Jacob Blake was in a bar near my house got into an argument and pulled a gun and the mag fell out and people laughed him out of the bar.
Priceless!😂
It's possible that the gun had a round in the chamber though. 😂😂😂
@@Cybertron824 Some semi-auto's will not fire if the magazine is removed.
You mean the FBI, the top law enforcement agency in our great land, withheld exculpatory evidence from the defendant, who is presumed innocent until proven guilty??!! How could that happen? Wouldn't they lose trust and credibility with their employers? It would be almost as if they had an agenda other than determining the facts to the best of their ability.
@@johnemerson1363 Tell you what, you are correct, so lets put it to your head and find out..... Does your comment look idiotic now???
When I got my concealed carry license, my father immediately had me read Mr. Ayoob's book. My dad couldn't stop talking about this guy. My dad was an SF medic, psychology PhD, and Mensa member, who had me read "Rival Hypotheses" when I was 14. Now I see why... This is some of the clearest, most logical thinking I've ever heard relating to guns. In a subject where reflexive dogma is the norm, Mr. Ayoob focuses on facts, experience, and uncommon sense. I'm going to have my nephew watch these videos! This is what responsible gun ownership is about.
Many years go someone told me about Mas Ayoob.
They were right. He is a wealth of knowledge, for Righteousness Sake!
Thank You Mr. Ayoob!
Christ bless!
Absolutely the best rittenhouse breakdown I’ve seen. Well done as always Mas!
Wow, thanks!
@@gowilsoncombat WOW? Mas, it's just what you (always) DO, sir--nail down, and state the facts! lol
Agreed, Colion Noire does a good one too tho
I watched the 2020 summer's "Mostly Peaceful Protest" coverage by 'American Media' with dismay. I watched the events of Kenosha play out on the Lame Stream Media while their experts fed me 'facts' the video coverage didn't portray. As I watched the trial, I was very saddened by the continued drum beat of the media and the theatrics of the prosecutor's team. Thank goodness for an excellent defense team and honest clear thinking jury. This is the best trial analysis I have seen, bar none. Short, concise, without any drum beating or chest pounding. Thank you sir. Another excellent analysis.
It was mostly peaceful.
Or maybe Rittenhouse didn't want to be righteous and just wanted to walk around w/ his gun , at night during a mass protest and riotters , yelling medico. When a suicidal person saw what must have looked like a scared 17 year old w/ his AR, telling Rittenhouse to shoot him, that's what happened. Then people who see a kid start shooting people who was unarmed try to stop Rittenhouse, he shot them as well. If Rittenhouse simply wanted to clean up the area after the protest , he could have done that during the day, when the SUN was out. Instead he brought a gun to a violital situation. And killed two people. One who was a scumbag but also didn't get the mental health treatment needed. Cause again this is the USA.
@@monotech20.14 Rosenbaum deserved those extra holes.
I wonder what would have happened if one of the jurors had reacted to the prosecutor pointing a firearm at them by standing up and saying something like "What are you doing? Don't point that weapon at me, you idiot!"
@@monotech20.14 he was hired to act as security for a car dealership that was vandalized the night before. He was threatened while acting as security...things escalated from there.
wow so much detail that never was on the news , keep up the good work Mr. ayoob
I was floored when that prosecutor grabbed that ar, bolt closed , no flag in the chamber and heald it above the head of the jury to scare the crap outta them. If I was the the defense attorney I would have screamed at him for that. Way to many safety violations were ignored there. Yes its not suppose to have ammo in it but ask Baldwin about that.
If an average citizen did that it would be aggravated assault
You Damnnnnnnnnnn right about that. @@portersorensen8814
Justice delivered! In Minneapolis blacks and everyone else had AK-47s and other guns in front of businesses. The Minneapolis Police gave guns back to people who were not allowed to have guns, i.e. illegal guns, during the looting and arson. In St. Paul they still just confiscate guns at traffic stops from people who cannot legally possess a gun!! No charges or arrests of the illegal gun possessor!!
Wow, it's almost as if y'all ammosexuals' gun range rules aren't applicable in courtrooms or movie sets.
yes, a good attorney knowing firearms well could have interrupted that safety failure of the prosecutor, or waited until finished and then ask for the rifle. Show , and ask the jury why would you listen to a maniac that just pointed a rifle at you in court ?! Unacceptable for any reason, proving prosecution is invalid and out of control. What else will you get wrong, and how else can you show your ignorance against the defendant?! Then take the rifle and demonstrate proper safe handling and refer to a 'blue' gun if you don't have one.
If you need an attorney, be sure they are very capable to handle your secific situation. I once had a simple easy shooting/safety case where someone injured me. I LOST the case because my attorney was ignorant and knew only a fraction of what I did. Mistakingly, I used him not because he was the best person for the job but because I had already employed him for something else.
If I had been on the jury and the prosecutor pointed that hopefully unloaded AR-15 in my direction I would have demanded that he be charged with reckless endangerment!
I would of dropped to the jury box floor in a heartbeat, would of made it clear what I thought !!
"What terrible times are these, when a mere prosecutor can wave a weapon around in a courtroom in our justice system!"
#MeToo
I would have also demanded that he be removed immediately by the bailiffs and security IN HANDCUFFS. What a POS he was.
When anyone talks about Kyle's situation I always have to start by saying first and foremost the government failed the local government abandoned its citizens because of optics. Anyone who talks about crap hit the fan no rule of law bug in situation that is what happened. If the government cant be held accountable then no one who did anything that night should be accountable. Kyle defended his community and did nothing wrong and showed amazing control and judgement.
^^^^^ THIS. The federal government endorsed this insnaity and the local governments abandoned their duty to the citizenry...who were forced to then do their duty for them. Then they have the audacity to blame a kid who did everything in his power to get out of that situation WITHOUT hurting anybody and clearly only did so when he was left with no alternative...the fact that there was a trial was an abomination. Luckily, the system that failed Rittenhouse may not have been on his side, but the citizenry he stuck his neck out for was. There's still hope for this country.
you are very right sir!
Totally. GREE
The US Government offered federal troops to help but the help was denied by the Governor and the City of Kenosha.
I agree. I just made a post under the same understanding. Mr Ayoob was a police officer at one point, and his job was to get in the middle of trouble. Basically looking for trouble.
'don't get involved in trouble' is the quintessential advice and I'm glad it's been said across numerous videos on this channel. It's the smart thing to do. Live smart, live peacefully.
At last. Something sensible.
Finally someone in this forum is man enough to make some sense.
Just watch it all burn I suppose. Altruism Look it up
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The problem with ‘society” today is that for too long, people have wrang their hands of the responsibility to keep their communities safe.
In fact too many ‘communities” these days are merely a ‘place of address”… Nobody has any connection to their home, to their neighbors… ‘just keep your head down, not your problem”
We have built a culture Uninvolved Detached Apathy.. how can we ever expect anybody to stand up to protect us, if we don’t stand up to protect our own homes, or our own communities?
I've been carrying for over a decade now and will never stop learning!! I appreciate so much Massad's experience and comments on so many different things ! I'm also part of a safety team in a large church ! I've always pushed the guys to be alert ro every thing around you. You don't have to look like a detective, but smile and greet people but always on alert !!!
Some say it was foolish for him to even be there in the first place, much less being armed. But as someone else once said, “All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing.” I admire him for having the courage and conviction to act on his principles and for the way he handled himself that night and during the trial.
Absolutely! We need more young men like Kyle Rittenhouse.
Agree. We need to take a stand and I'm gracious that Kyle did.
As I told people: I wouldn't have done what he tried to do, but that's only because he is a better man than I.
Just like the McMichaels in the Arbery case. FOR SURE, after what happened to THEM, if I see someone breaking into an unknown neighbors house, I won't give a FLYING FUCK!
us on the other side see it the same way we see a racist police force occupying communities like in the colonial days and we are standing up against that violently if need be... this isnt black and white theres evil on both sides
Yea, load of garbage that some media or people trying to feed us, they were playing the "foolish = illegal" trick.
My favorite part was when the judge laid into the prosecutor. Also, when the Gage Grosskreutz confirmed that he was shot only when he pointed his own weapon at Kyle and you just saw the prosecution team put their heads in their hands. They knew the case was a slam dunk for the defense.
If a prosecutor aimed a gun at me in a courtroom, loaded or not, i would be pissed off.
I don't know how anyone could watch the video footage of the entire sequence of events (lucky for him, it exists) and say that any of the shots KR fired were not fired in self defense.
You dont have to like Kyle to think he is innocent
@@Thisisoscar_ You also don't have to think he's guilty (under backwards ass red state laws ofc) to see that he intentionally caused the whole problem by making a road trip to go wave a gun around. If he's somehow "innocent" then that says more about the need for national-level gun law reform than it does about Kyle doing right vs wrong.
I thought he showed extreme restraint, one of the things I saw while watching the trial that absolutely blew my mine is when the Prosecutor pointed the gun at the jury.
Many police and soldiers would have shot those thugs repeatedly if they were in Rittenhouse's shoes. He's definitely a cool customer compared to most people.
@@taraswertelecki9586 cops do it almost at every shooting.
If that prosecutor would have pointed a gun at me that whole place would erupted guaranteed never flag another human being that judge would have been making sure something happened with that one
@@perrylc8812 cops do what at every shooting? trying to clarify your statement
@@apistune shoot people repeatedly, ie "mag dumps ".
Mas, I've been a follower of yours since reading "In the gravest extreme". The local and federal government deserve full credit for the violence that they allowed or even promoted. I did 25+ years in law enforcement, about half as a firearms instructor. I readily concur with your opinion. That young man handled himself well, even during the trial. Thanks Brother for the years of education.
The Biden Administration and the "Nobody's Above the Law" party are the most criminal element I believe that has ever been in d.c.
@@r.a.facklam4851 Amen.
Mr. Ayoob, thank you for commenting on this case. Your final statements are wise and well placed.
JM
Good judgement and opinion by this intelligent and absolute guru.
Thank you Massad Ayoob for youre great and wise insight on the hero who stopped an insurrection in a peaceful town in the midwest. If only all could see beyond the media and its lies
Self defense is self defense
and the stupity of youth is the stupidity of youth.
You're still the King Mas! Please keep bringing truth and wisdom.
Sir. After listening to you on Rittenhouse case. We as patriots that would try and help other people should ware a body cam. Just my thoughts.
An excellent analysis. As a retired LEO, I was afraid that Kyle Rittenhouse was doomed to be a victim of the left.
The only thing that I can fault Kyle for is being young and enthusiastic for his beliefs. As a young man he was turning his enthusiasm to helping in what seemed the best way to him.
I hope all of his lawsuits against the leaders of the left and the media are successful and well published.
Mr Elliott,
I can find no fault with him. Enthusiasm is what lead you to become a law enforcement officer. Think about it. Your job was to look for trouble, and to put yourself in the middle of it. I was 18 when I went into the Marine Corps. My job was an Infantry Rifleman. It literally says we have to look for trouble as our mission. I was 19 when I went into combat. I was 2 years older than Mr Rittenhouse. They never tell you the cost of your decision.
Thank you for your service.
All it takes for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
IDIOT.. its not left vs right, its right vs wrong... He is guilty as sin and now will be hailed a hero from all the loons out there.
@Backup Bottle Boss A lot of departments hire guys that are great at following orders of their chain of command, and not at following the law. The police department in Kenosha had a job they neglected because of the brass. Remember not one cop went in to put order back. The brass also placated to the politicians. I don't know about you, and this maybe Monday morning quarterbacking, but I would have defied the orders, and found similar people to go in with me. I would take being fired for doing my job over the city burning. I will catch flack for this, but I know through experience I would. This evidence comes from my past experiences in combat. Being outnumbered in a city that hates you, and is willing to rain lead, rockets, IEDs, mortors at your location is nothing new for me. Strictly the orders from higher in the Kenosha Police were unlawful orders. What happened to the Police Officers running into a fire fight? What happened to their bravery as the city burned? I think the public would have forgiven them if they actually did their jobs. It's too bad a 17 year old had to do their jobs. The trial wasn't about him. It was about how this 17 year old embarrassed the politicians and the police. How dare a 17 year old male make the government look bad? The trial didn't disappoint either. The prosecutors had egg on their face.
When this man speaks, I listen. Such a vast amount of knowledge has been learned from this man. Thank you!!
Great to hear!
Exactly my feelings.
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As a retired LEO, you're spot on. Please kee up the good work.
Thank you. May the truth prevail.
The prosecutor should have the life sued out of him for malicious prosecution: it was quite plain from the beginning that the evidence did not support the charges.
When you don't have much of a case, what else are you supposed to do?
@Tom Gulbranson If the prosecutor is assigned the case, that may not be an option for him. But then again, I'm no lawyer.
@Tom Gulbranson Well then whoever made the decision, whether the prosecutor, or someone above him, should be held responsible. I just don't believe in holding people responsible for tasks they had no choice in. That's like getting angry at the cashier for the store's return policy.
@@adammathers4879 Theoretically, the DA being told to charge a malicious case should refuse under ethics guidelines, and report the command to charge to the bar association for review.
Public opinion demanded a trial. To not prosecute was the correct legal thing, but at least fifty million Americans needed to see this kid go on trial. They needed to see the correct outcome, and they did. Look at the lack of competence we saw in Prosecutor Thomas Binger. They were doing all they could to make sure the kid walked. There were so many "blunders" and things that just looked like if this judge doesn't stop this the kid will be free on appeal. The way the trial was conducted there was no way 12 people would find him guilty and then an appeals court would still find him guilty. I still feel sorry for the kid. That's a tough thing to live through.
Thank-You, Sir for your excellent analysis of the Rittenhouse case ! YOU ENRICH US ALL !!
Thanks for listening
What a great factual rundown of the case. He included all of the relevant points and his analysis was matter-of-fact.
This is perhaps the most sober and straightforward commentary on this interesting event in American history and 2A related court cases. Thank you.
That kid showed way more self control than most adults including myself if I was in a situation like that.
Total operator.
There's a reason very few people choose to put themselves in a situation so mind-blowingly stupid.
He stood up when others didn’t and in the light that local authorities (etc.) couldn’t or wouldn’t control or extinguish the hellacious riots.
Yup. Read my longer post on this point. The Kenosha PD deliberately allowed the town to turn into a bucket of gasoline and that halfwit hospital dropped a lit match into it shaped like Rosenbaum, complete with a total lack of his bipolar meds.
But instead they tried to blame it all on a 17 year old kid.
@@1jimmarch; My thoughts exactly. I believe the whole city, government of Kenosha, well, some of them, are Narcissistic in the extreme.
Sometimes there is a price for doing what is right. Especially when one's society starts getting chaotic and evil.
And what the fuck …does killing people make it right ?
@@danbailey96 He killed people who were actively trying to murder him with zero justification on their part.
Self defense is a thing.
"One man's foolishness is another mans courage and commitment" Indeed Mr. Ayoob.... Indeed!
Well said and Semper Fidelis!
Love you massad thanks you for all your teaching 🙏
This was a GREAT explanation of the whole episode. Being a Vietnam infantry guy I am not going to go into a situation like this. I am not going the “answer the Panther” unless he forces me. Kyle did and with good, peaceful intentions. He was, in my opinion, wise to go armed. If you are going to go to a riot to try to HELP people, you still may need a firearm. Its better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it. I think Mr Ayoob’s comments are ALL correct and I believe that the outcome of the trial was correct in all regards. Do not try to kill an armed man is one lesson people might take to heart. I believe that Mr Rittenhouse showed extreme restraint in not killing everyone who attacked him. He simply stopped the immediate threat. Given my background from my younger days I am not sure I would have done as well in this respect as this young man did. I am certainly glad I did not find myself in his situation. In the end shooting people is bad for everyone involved. I hope Mr Rittenhouse suffers not “after effects” from all this.
For a young person, Kyle Ritenhouse showed exceptional maturity, focus, and restraint in the situation as he faced it. Heck, I am 65, and I don't know if I could respnd as well as Rittenhouse!
Thank you for your service!
Thank You Sir. For all your advice. 🙏🇺🇸🗽
EXCELLENT MASSAD, EXCELLANT.
Excellent and Outstanding!!! Thank You, Massad.
Thank You For Your Truth Testimony!
I appreciate your knowledge and telling it like it is!
Mas, thank you for the lesson on when to stop shooting. I've heard similar explanations of Kyle's innocence from others, but not "stop shooting when the threat stops". That's critical to ingrain in our minds.
The wisdom of entering the situation aside, he acted almost perfectly as if he had gone through police or combat training.
I pray I never am in such a situation, but if I am, I hope to perform as well as Kyle did.
Good motivation to continue to train!
Or maybe Rittenhouse didn't want to be righteous and just wanted to walk around w/ his gun , at night during a mass protest and riotters , yelling medico. When a suicidal person saw what must have looked like a scared 17 year old w/ his AR, telling Rittenhouse to shoot him, that's what happened. Then people who see a kid start shooting people who was unarmed try to stop Rittenhouse, he shot them as well. If Rittenhouse simply wanted to clean up the area after the protest , he could have done that during the day, when the SUN was out. Instead he brought a gun to a violital situation. And killed two people. One who was a scumbag but also didn't get the mental health treatment needed. Cause again this is the USA.
Funny how it was ok for Rittenhouse to protect himself but not others who just saw a kid shoot and kill two others.
@@monotech20.14 Not funny at all!Had the other guy shot him first,it would have self-defense also!But very often,the stupid are the lucky ones!
@@pebo8306 I beg to differ. Kyle was at the time trying to leave the location. The guy that leveled the weapon at him was a prohibited person from owning much less carrying a gun. Kyle did not level his gun at the pistol wielding felon until he was in danger. If Kyle had eaten the built from the felon, the felon would have to prove he was in direct danger of harm from Kyle which the video would have shown he was not. I am still wondering why the felon has not been prosecuted for being in possession of a weapon.
@@joshuathomas8529 What makes you think Mr.Großkreuz was a felon?Never mentioned anywhere!Opposite to Rittenhouse,he was a real EMT!
Thank you for sharing this video. Kyle Rittenhouse was fortunate to be aquitted. We're personally happy with the verdict.
Great video and explanation. God bless 🙏
There are no finer or more applicable and critical life lessons than these that Mr. Ayoob and Wilson Combat provide through this channel. I can't thank you enough for making them freely available to citizens such as myself.
Thank you, Mr. Ayoob. I have "been a student" of your's for several years. And I always recommend that my firearms students become a "student of your's", as well. I think this is the best opinion piece that I have watched.
I appreciate your continual service sir. Having retired from an injury, I have become the guy “in the rear with the gear”. My comment is not about K Rittenhouse but directed at you.
I simply say thank you and know that another guy with a little grey showing appreciates you.
Massad as usual your comments are well thought out. I appreciate you taking the time to give us your insight.
Thank you for your videos, very wise instructions. I love your calm demeanor and straight forward information.
He was the only one charged with a crime as far as I know. I personally would be someplace else. He is a stand-up individual.. I was a politically motivated prosecution on part of the DA The Judge had it pegged as such and since it's Wisconsin where deer hunting is pretty much a religion, Most have no problems with guns. The Video showed what occurred. The jury could not find any other matter. Kyle is going to have to live with this for the rest of his life. It's good that he came out of it ok. He still spent way too much time in jail for something that criminal charges should have never been brought in the first place. We can not allow politics into the courtroom.
They did later charge the rioter who shot before Kyle did and who was with the convicted pedophile with arson, I'm guessing to prevent him from testifying in that trial due to having rights to not self incriminate.
The very first time I saw part of the video I thought Man, if every cop and individual gun owner had this kid's amount of self control with his weapons handling, the world would be a safer place.
Spot on Massad! I’m glad you did an analysis on this event. It’s important to look at these cases and learn the positive as well as the negative from them.
Thank you!
Absolutely on point. Thank you.
I agree 100 percent with Massad! Well done.
Always love the content from Mr. Ayoob. Thank you.
"When called by a panther, don't anther" words to live by..
Can you explain what that means? Never heard of that saying
@@dumbeezy5480 I've never heard it either, but I would assume the panther is a dangerous situation. Meaning don't answer the call when you know there are elements that wish you harm.
I just saw online that it's a play on words between anther and answer! It's obvious and it never even crossed my mind! That's actually a brilliant little rhyme!
@@mplslawnguy3389def also related to setting one's ego aside as well
Excellent analysis. I followed that trial, too. Starting in 1980, I was trained in the defensive use of pistols, rifles, and shotguns. This training was from someone who was trained directly by Jeff Cooper. We also followed Massad's advice and read his articles. Thanks to Massad for providing his excellent observations and wise advice over all these decades.
Massad is a man worth listening to.
I was able to view the original videos from, several sources, of Kyle’s actions. Before CZcams removed them.
Colion Noir ,also a lawyer, provided his commentary.
The jury rendered the correct judgment.
Yep. Removing content in the name of fairness, is removing history. None of it is done in good will.
Sir, read your books as a kid and they helped me when I had to defend people in Afghanistan. I live in the General area you do and have been trying to get an autograph. Not because I collect autographs are anything like that, but because I respect your advice I received by reading your books. I had a 7th grade teacher see me reading your book once and he knew about it. He told me, don't let this teacher or that one see you with it. He gave me a copy of one of your other books at the end of the year. Kinda funny because he and I still email back and forth. If you have info on where I can send something to get autographed I'd appreciate it.
I truly enjoy listening to this quiet unassuming man in his description pro and con about the issues of today. May these teachings and philosophy reign for many years to come.
Clear and concise explanation. Kudos!
As always, a concise, accurate and useful presentation. Thank you.
Refreshing to hear the truth!
What an amazing and eloquent analysis.
This was very needed. I completely agree with what you said. Thank you! 👍👍
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing"
What are going on about? You're making Rittenhouse, the little runt, into a hero? Just because he was found not guilty, doesn't mean he isn't an immature, stupid little crybaby who had no business there playing tough guy.
I couldn’t agree more with your breakdown of that entire situation
As a retired police officer myself, I think you are doing an excellent job. Even if a person knows a lot about when the use of firearms is justifiable, it does not hurt to refresh one’s memory.
Thank You so much Sir for your analysis and commentary! I grew up in Kenosha. I watched with intent that night that this incident happened. My family moved to Kenosha when I was 3-4, I left Kenosha when I was 28-29 to learn gunsmithing at Trinidad State Jr College in Trinidad, Colorado. I got my As of Science with an optional 3rd year of independent study in metal finishing. I am now 68, and was saddened to see what was happening in my hometown. I am thankful that it turned out ok for Kyle, that poor young man is going to have to live with that for the rest of his life. Thank You again for all I have learned from You!
I've seen every scrap of video and followed this story from literally the moment I saw it on live stream. Your summarization of the events was extremely well articulated, simple, concise, and factual. It was a very pleasant video to listen to.
I was sitting at an outdoor bar in Cozumel a few years ago and a few uniformed Mexican cops sat next to me and had a few drinks.
The one closest to me had his rifle slung across his back and the barrel was pointed right at my head while he had a beer😳😳
I didn’t dare complain. Lol
Thank you! I never watched the trial because all news stations break too often for dramatic inserts. All I wanted to know was what happened. You laid it out perfectly (IMHO) and concisely. He probably shouldn’t have been out there but these days we all want to do our part some way but are told to stay inside and eat popcorn. We want this done! So I get his going into this thing as he did.
Why would you go out to a riot?
Effectively you would be making a public disturbance bigger by your presence.
I hope your superpower is calming an angry mob who are deliberately inflamed by thieves looking for motor easy takings.
Of ALL the commentary I've heard about the Rittenhouse case, yours is the absolute best! Right on the money with no wasted words. Thank you, sir!
Awesome, great job explaining and breaking down each action.