Big Ashes of Creation Drama
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Asmongold Reacts to Ashes of Creation, an upcoming new MMORPG, going through some DRAMA..
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Finally some good drama
Haha nice one
♥️
Good for you josh.. keep up the good work👍
Need some reactions to reactions to explain this please.
Why isn't this comment pinned?
Asmon: No one would ever confuse the two.
Josh in his latest vid: So I accidentally confused the two...
@@blkwng bro. He admitted to mixing the games up. If he's talking about taming in terms of scope creep there's no way he's mentioning Ashes. Maybe the game that did the big video about taming is the one he's talking about? Regardless, he admitted to mixing it up.
There's animal taming on the ashes wiki and the ashes forums.
Even if there wasn't a video release, it's still there as a concept.
lol i saw that and was in tears
@@blkwng you're missing the point. Josh was talking about SCOPE CREEP, adding new things continuously when you can't afford to. Animal husbandry in Ashes isn't *scope creep* because they mentioned putting it in the game years ago
Big drama show
Josh is never wrong. He is temporarily inaccurate.
... XD spot of tea, gov'na?
But eventually...
True
@@JoshStrifeSays hello Visa!
he is right though, ashes have to establish core gameplay first. How the leveling works, how is raiding, how is pvp, general combat and how does the node system work etc. Things that people actually do 80% of the time they play the game. I think they should figure out and finish these features before they even start thinking about "pet breeding(?)". Blizzard didn't talk about pet battle system when WoW was in alpha, it wasn't even an idea
Josh starts Drama then immediately says sorry, explains why and how he was wrong, has no bad word to say about the other side, and just moves on. That man is just too classy to understand how to milk CZcams drama. :D
A Chad
I don't think he even started drama. It was made in to drama by others. He literally just mixed up two in dev mmos.
Narc seen an opportunity to attack a much more successful CZcamsr over an innocent mistake made in just a couple minute reply to a viewer question to play to a large, passionate audience in order to boost his signal and attract viewers. Simple as that.
so when is this two worlds sequel coming out?
He actually did confuse the two. He recently released a video talking about it.
@Lycanthrope how do u want to know that? they nearly said nothing about the "husbandry" and the "Npc creating"? xD
But what was being argued was not which one was more complex but rather feature creep. JSH said that he would prefer the original promise be met before adding new things.
@@fasla Yeah but he was saying he's worried about Ashes having feature creep because they were talking about features that aren't core to the game which is entirely untrue for Ashes. We've been receiving updates and giving our feedback about basic combat for Ashes for months now. The feedback being addressed towards Ashes is completely misguided.
People still are not familiar with Josh's sarcasm
@Lycanthrope you missed the point, it's not about complexity, it's about the concept of scope creep
Josh was asked about Ashes Of Creation during a live stream, in which he was making Warhammer models, so he made a brief comment that because the game seems to have so many systems and mechanics it won't have a core identity. That's it. Not particularly inflammatory or controversial.
It turns out he was thinking about Pantheon, because in some regards the games are similar, but his criticism remains equally valid. This comment was clipped into a 3 minute video which Narc spent hours writing, filming, and editing a response to, a response that completely ignores the actual substance of what Josh criticized
And narc's criticism is about how he mixed up the games with proof. Which is also a substance that you completely missed.
@@Giggle971 Which is completely irrelevent because it doesn't address the criticism Josh made.
If someone asked you about the new generation of iphone and whether or not you were hyped for it while you were building a gaming PC and you said something like "well it looks promising but I'm always cautious about new iterations of established technology not living up to the hype they create as they're often just mild upgrades of the previous generation, and some of the newly added features like XXX aren't as useful as people think they are before getting a chance to test them."
And then someone said "you're thinking of Samsung's new galaxy Y that just released with XXX feature, how could you possibly mix up iphones and galaxy phones they're SOOOOO different (meanwhile like 90% of the tech specs are the same)" the very general statement wouldn't be invalidated, and spending an inordinate amount of time trying to dunk on you would be cringe asf
@@akaiji1513 I would say it's not irrelevant, because Narc is talking about how many people makes this mistake and set Josh as an example. Which just shows what a hypocrite you are. Josh just happened to be the icebreaker of his topic, and is not the main focus of the underlying issue, but the result of it.
TLDR, Narc's video was never about Josh. So you're doing exactly the same thing as the thing you're complaining about. The title of the video is litterally saying it. "Josh Strife Hayes COMPLETELY Wrong About Ashes of Creation - But it's Not His Fault"
@@akaiji1513 why do you keep dodging that a trusted voice in community couldn't tell two games apart?
I am so excited for Ashes. Hopefully it delivers when it releases in ten years.
@@taylorg8509 Nah Bethesda will go out of business before then. Great name btw.
Ten? Well that's hopeful
@@taylorg8509 oh I love me some elder scrolls. Just think everything else Bethesda puts out is trash.
Cant wait to play Star Citizena and Ashes from my hospice bed
@@taylorg8509 Elder Scrolls VI coming out never
what happens with scope creep is that it's very easy and cheap for designers to come up with new ideas, but actually implementing (meaning coding, testing) is very time consuming and expensive.
IO think a much worse type of scope creep is with single ideas, where they open up more questions about interactivity and now suddenly one idea or concept becomes twenty.
The thing is, as someone who backed Ashes in 2017 as a Founder / Braver of Worlds I would have no problem with them reducing the price point on the higher tier packs because I got a lifetime subscription to the game, which is no longer available.
damn Im so Jelaous
I wasn't even aware that was available. I wonder what your account would be worth on the black market now..
@@frequentsee3815 Really not that much. Kickstarter backers still have the option to upgrade their package, so theres about 20k accounts with the ability to have lifetime subscription. Ive been thinking about upgrading myself, but its hard to justify considering to get a full "return on investment" you'd have to play every month for 3 years on a game that you dont know you're actually going to like or not.
@@James-kv3ll you can easily sell the account with lifetime subscription after hating to play it. Its an investment. And afterall people who bought that kind of subscription does not really bother spending 500 usd on random stuff, not like you - crying for no reason and being broke :)
@@James-kv3ll not at all. Don't worry, we will not cry about it ;)
My incomplete MMO is better than your incomplete MMO.
I think it would help if people understood that "working on graphics' is more than just eyecandy, and includes t hings like better on screen physics, and fps optimization that make a huge difference in the feel of quality across all platforms at launch and beyond.
Narc should start focusing entirely on unreleased games, thats where the juicy content festers.
@@James-kv3ll exactly, he pivots into the same pocket spreading hopium along a 3-dimensional space.
Big drama show
Who said this was drama. Oh that's right the internet thinks anything and everything is drama or drama waiting to happen.
90% of people born post 1990 just need to be erased......
clickbaited
People like drama, that’s why we’re here
Saying that it's drama is more a joke than anything and since you watched the video you just got successfully baited by the title so get owned.
@@lucidcortex8444 they got a click out of me no watch time. I follow narc and josh. I just seen the title and made a comment. Lol
Your point on getting sick of early access games is spot on. I'll never spend another dollar on a promise. Just been taken advantage of too many times. Same with Blizz games. I bought WC3 reforged and after that I've washed my hands with the company.
Yep before WC3 I was happy to pre-order any Blizzard product because they typically had the never release an unfinished game. It's sad how things have changed.
full blown world pvp will make niche game (see Eve Online).
I would argue that people are excited about the Riot MMO because of the company behind it, combined with the immense success of Arcane. We expect quality from a company like Riot, not because people don't know anything about it.
Riot has really shown that they support their games too. From what I understand Legends of ruinterra their card game has not been a massive financial success but they're still pumping out content like crazy.
Every riot game, regardless of your opinion on League’s balance and design, has been extremely popular for a reason.
Look at this man's face and CONVINCE me it isn't a Drama Goblins face, go on...
For people who are curious why he has so many pizza boxes behind him: they are called munchy boxes which is a thing in the UK in which it contains an assortment of fast foods in a box (Chicken wings, kebab meat, chips etc.).
Do you think they're empty? Otherwise the smell would be unbearable right?
this does not answer any questions and in fact only validates my assumptions of his lifestyle.
You’re saying he lives in the UK?
We know what they're for.. we're wondering why they're part of the Decor lol.
@@SquaulDuNeant I'm just asking whether you think those boxes were always empty, or whether they once contained food.
So we get Asmon reacting to Narc reacting to Josh reacting to Ashes... and maybe if Josh makes a video about this, we have Josh reacting to Asmon reacting to Narc reacting to Josh reacting to Ashes
I can’t wait for Ashes of The Fallen Elyria Pantheon Citizen to release in about another 10 years!
I can’t wait to play ashes in my retirement home 😂
You'll be ashes by the time ashes of creation is out. 😂
Ashens of the Fallen is going to be so good.
i said it under Vladhus video too and still stand by it
"Asmongold put it in a good way (cant quote him exactly):
the core game has to be fun, if its fun you will create alts and play through everything again
that is the content that mmo's should have and focus on
What JSH is referring to is that AoC has to come out and show that the core systems are good (combat, leveling, ...) or it will become another Star Citizen thats really ambitious but its never coming out
the barn is full of promises, but at the end its nothing but promises"
and when i hear about AoC i feel that there are more and more untalked about stuff being added, while i would really just like a condensed and perfected experience
This is why I prefer the way FFXIV does it, I don't want to be forced to start a new character to experience the story again. I can simply start new game+ and play through the entire story on any class you want, since your character isn't tied to 1 class either. Some people argue that you're less attached to your character but 99.9% of people who say that, go into the battlefield and cutscenes dressed up like a clown anyway.
Do you mean Squadron 42 (single player), because Star Citizen is already out in alpha, and that will just get more and more modules (gameplay loops and features) online as soon as they are ready for their first iterations.
better to say it will never be able to deliver everything they promised, like the 100 star systems at the 6 million stretch goal.
(at that time I doubt they planned to make the planets as detailed as they are currently making them tho...)
Don't forget City of Titans & Ship of Heroes or whatever which are continued on the love from City of Heroes / Villains - Still haven't heard anything about either of those in AGES :(
Asmondgold. I will play Pantheon knowing it will be garbage. Also Asmondgold: Gw2 is a garbage game will never play that.
Hes a 🤡
I mean, I think ashes of creation looks amazing. I also think 350$ to get access to both alpha and the beta's is pretty expensive. I'll just wait for the game. Edit: I guess more like 200$ with game time and cosmetics included.
Cosmetics have zero effect on how much money came out of your bank account lol.
It is fucking crazy is what it is. I also can't stand that bald fu**and I don't mean Asmongold but they guy constantly pushing Ashes in every fucking video. Is he paid by them ?
@@WalterWhite-jz7ct Compared to the time machine to get back there? Try and open a free alpha that's actually an alpha and not a pre release for marketing. Enjoy that waste of time and effort.
@@larperdixon723 LMAO too true, I was just giving some benefit of the doubt when really it's just too expensive.
For once I have to disagree with something Asmon said. Scope creep is not natural, scope creep happens when something isn't properly defined during an analysis stage (or worse, when no analysis is done at all), before starting development. But I do get why he comes up with the analogue, for someone outside software development it does seem that way.
Tencent is invested in every breath anybody ever took.
Tm.
It’s either Xbox or Tencent that are doing it. Or both.
Imagine shelling out hundreds to back a game almost a decade ago to still only be in early alpha...
***Looking at my $250 backing for star citizen made back in 2013***
I'\m going to laugh when Riot drops their MMO on the same day and Ashes just collapses after all this time
@@alexbrennan9928 I do wonder if Riot's MMO will be any good. The world building and lore is already there, they just have to make a good game.
@@1LuvMLPFiM They will need to make money so get ready for 100+ skins or lootboxes of some kind.
Them: I'm worried about them confusing the 2
Me: I have literally never heard of pantheon
It's always fun to watch 2 games that probably won't see release fight
AoC will definitely release, whether or not they achieve the scope of the project is yet to be seen.
Pantheon will likely just fade away as the devs pocket all the cash. Or release as a Proof of Concept
I'm excited for Pantheon. 500 players in one zone all fighting, exploring etc and the game was handling it really well! Hotfixes to bugs allowed instant reentry into the game instantly. If this is maintained graphics will come along just fine. Narc is just wrong about Pantheon.
remember when steven said the first beta would drop at the end of 2019?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
The Blizzard PTSD is so strong in Nac, was fun in the beggining, but now is tedious.
I cannot wait for Ashens of the Fallen in 2077
But good drama, good fake drama for now.
Josh is right they need to finish the core game first then work on the other contents
Did he collect a year of pizza boxes as a joke??
None of it matters until either is done and released, if ever...
My guess is Josh will start by making sure the tutorial introduces game essentials properly at the start with out huge info dumps.
rofl I will use that scope creep analogy with my clients
Ashes of Creation 100% does have that No Man's Sky feeling to every Q&A. Almost every single answer is yes, probably, or we'll work towards it. One of the few times they actually said no is that you wouldn't be able to upload outside pictures into the game. Maybe feature creep isn't the right way to put it but basically Ashes of Creation is just vaporware atm. No reason to hate it or hype it, but we all know people want content on the internet tubes.
People want things so fiercely that they forget about things they have available.
@@sitrueis4007 exactly that. Feature creep comes also from the players who want way too much and directly to release. And of course as a MMO developer, you also love many ideas that would match into your game and want to have it into it. As developer you always need to step back and hold yourself back not to make too much at once. Why? Because developers are the biggest fanboy of their game, many love their games so much, that they not even recognize that it is totally bad. And no developer would say to good ideas "No, I don't want to make my game better". XD
@@daroaminggnome vaporware it definitely wrong here. Too much seen content, too regular and frequent communication from the developers. But people like to judge games in development bad, because they have absolutely no clue about it.
@@daroaminggnome not really, the definition of vaporware is:
"software or hardware that has been advertised but is not yet available to buy, either because it is only a concept or because it is still being written or designed."
Most of the features and concepts are still being written and designed. They pretty much scrapped the entire previous build to transition to UE5 as you brought up. The key thing is they have a ton of ideas and features which they have shown in a limited capacity. There is nothing they have shown that is close to a release build. Vaporware doesn't mean scam. It just means be cautious about your expectations. There's reason most games never show or say anything at this stage of development. The amount of games the change radically or 100% scrapped and restarted would most likely surprise you.
You need to realize regularly there are massive investments into vaporware. Very often they pay off. Just because it's a game that supposedly going to be self funded, doesn't mean it's special and immune to failing. I feel like there's way more people that get upset about people like Josh say to have cautious optimism. Again mostly because they don't know the first thing about game development and business cash flow.
I would love to play a WoW 2.0 re go through the whole story but with updated tech and art and systems. More classes and specs and races.
Yea as long as they tweak where they went wrong. They need to get rid of the damn alchemy boxes in WotLKC, get rid of heirlooms, keep dungeon finder gone(at least they were able to figure that one out), keep the talent tree when moving to Cata instead of that dogshit they came up with at that time, and either add combat abilities to flying mounts or make it to where you can stun and polymorph people on flying mounts and get rid of the cold weather flying account bound book.
There's a couple things about AoC that I'm a bit apprehensive about and curious what the dev team will do about them. First, with the recent Q&A, we've learned that each class will have about 35 abilities available. I'm not exactly sure which abilities will be able to be augmented with a secondary archetype augment, but assuming every ability has 4 different augments available, that's 4 augments times 35 abilities. There'll be 8 different classes, and 8 different secondary archetypes. 4*8*8*35 is 8,960 different abilities to animate and make art and effects for. That's likely an overestimation since its assuming all abilities will have all augments available.
Second, non-combatant (green) players will not turn into a combatant (purple) when attacking a corrupted (red) player. This means that if an already red player attacks a random green player, even if that person fights back, they'll receive the penalty of dying as a green player according to my understanding. It's probably not that big of an issue since this seems like too much of an oversight for Intrepid to not catch by 2030 or whenever AoC releases. As long as green players killed by reds receive a minimal death penalty (or maybe even none at all, further encouraging players to fight back and take care of red players running around and killing random greens.
The way I understand the combatant logic tree is that defending yourself doesn't trigger the change, only initiating.
@@dudestolemyname69 not true, if you die you lose mats plain and simple, you just lose less as a combatant and more as corrupted. It's a non issue though because if a red player kills a green player then they accrue more corruption which means more xp loss, more corruption stack which makes them weaker, itll be harder to get rid of the corruption, and they'll lose more/have a higher chance of losing crafted items and non-mats.
It'll take care of itself. Yes a green player can still get fucked, but with bounty hunters and the corruption penalty, theyll be getting fucked WAY harder. But in case you were concerned, don't get it confused, there will still be people like me who YOLO and grief greens and stack corruption and dig myself a huge hole just because i'm a troll. I won't be doing it to people lower lvl than me though. Consider me no different than some rogue badass mob you gotta defend yourself against. I don't want this to be an easy game, I want people to feel like theyre on an epic dangerous fucking adventure, I want people to get close with other people, make friends, get a guild, find protection, watch their ass. And thankfully I have been given the ability to ensure that's in your best interest.
The point still stands, don't overhype things that hasn't released yet. Asses of creation tho promises well, good for them. But im not gonna be one of the guys to hype it.
Camelot Unchained has also been in development since 2012 and it doesn't even have a playable alpha. They made over $2 million on Kickstarter.
7:40 is EXACTLY what's been happening with Star Citizen for years now.
Ashes of Creation is the ultimate "wait and see"
Tbh a player driven world sounds like a horrible idea for an mmo. You just know that people are gonna min/max and take advantage of absolutely everything in the game they can. Wonder how it's going to affect the game to put the power to literally change the world in some random shmuck's handsm
Wow, that was a long video just to say "JSH confused Pantheon to Ashes of Creation".
Reputation bleeding into other things that just happen to be in the vicinity is a real thing that sucks. Like the reputation 'Unity games' have from cheap asset flips, despite powering loads of beloved games. Hearthstone, Hollow Knight, Kerbal Space Program, Oxygen Not Included, Rimworld, etc., are all Unity games for example.
The difference with AoC in terms of features is that creating traditional expansions doesn't work with their node system. The way the node system works they'll pretty much have to have all of the core features finished at launch because they are all integral to the system. Things like mount breeding that doesn't affect the core systems could be added in the future but the core things must be finished at launch. So AoC can't release a barebones mmo at launch. All levels of each node has to be finished at launch. Any "expansion" would have to be adding a brand new level to all nodes which adds new dungeons and such or features that don't affect the nodes.
As a Pantheon main in League, I felt conflicted hearing about Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen until I realized it was another MMO lol
I just feel like there's no RPG in MMORPG's anymore. If I choose a CLASS, I want a different context in the narrative and gameplay than a totally different class choice would experience when soloing (different kinds of mobs, different narrative or environmental challenges that MY class excels in, etc.). In a party of 3 or 4 different classes of player characters, I want separate challenges arising that is in context for the group's particular specialties, tabletop style, that goes beyond just a different form of combat. This kind of specialization and STORYTELLING has been completely lost because IT'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT WORK, and it might be easier to just play D&D IRL.
Ashes of Creation will fail because it's a pvp focused MMO.
Some of this feels like Landmark Purchase for Ever Quest Next.
So when is this game going to be released?
so basically, cringelord makes video to dunk on non-cringelord for misspeaking once because no other victories are to be had in life
This is cringe
0:09 pretty sure he said "asses" of creation lmao
I agree to an extent that delaying for too long is bad. But releasing as a base game without enough content is worse. I think New World is a prime example of releasing with 2 months of content leading to a 95% player reduction.
3:35 there was an animated LOTR?
Everyone pissed at our boy Josh .... because he said things, they're afraid could come true ...
34:40 valheim is not the best example. Since release there was only one "feature": rebalancing food into hp and energy. It had all it got now at release. They added more content, yes, like enemies, and items, and buildings, but they added no features.
I always thought graphics were such a huge deal until Eve Online got me into a permanent D'arce choke and I realized ya dont even need visuals in that game to play it just as effectively lol
I wish all of you will love a MMO game as much as Eve players love theirs
Why does this narc guy talk about a game that hasn’t even come out like he been playing it for years? I’m confused. What does he gain from praising a game that he hasn’t touched?
He did play the alpha last year. He just likes the game man.
@@LukeD02 the alpha doesn’t represent the entire game tho. Liking a game doesn’t mean he has to hype/shill the game to everybody. If anything he should have some level of skepticism.
@@hahabamay People can do what they want, not our place to say what they should do. I agree he's overhyping it a little, but a lot of content creator are like that for their main game. Ashes seems to be going pretty well, if you look at their development streams, so it's not like he's hyping up nothing at all, but I get what you're saying.
In pantheons defense. The head dude literally died. But Jesus Christ that shit is never coming out
He is dead fucking wrong on "players should be rejoicing". They should absolutely be cautious and look at things with both scrutiny AND hope. It is still a Kickstarter MMO. History has shown us that we SHOULDN'T get too hyped.
It looks promising, yes. We can't let that supercede caution entirely
Josh on Narc's second monitor: proof he is a true Josh fan.
I've had a Intrepid Launcher icon on my desktop since 2-17-19. Totally forgot about the Kickstarter, thanks.
After years of getting excited for nothing for many games, im not going to get excited over the "next big mmo" until it actually releases and has what it promises.
>crack open coca-cola
>pepsi behind him
27:33 I get Asmon's point, but Albion online is pvp focused and doing well and its a great game
Necrons firing line isn't so good anymore, but they're relatively competitive in this iteration of 9e
fuckin mad busted when they came out tho
"Order. Unity. Obedience. We taught the galaxy these things long ago, and we will do so again." -Imotekh the Stormlord
spotted the guy who knows nothing about 9e ... necrons are bottom tier dude
Kekw
Yea, when you look at ***tai and then see new suggestion click on that and after a while you are so long in to the suggestion chain that you forgot what ***tai you wanted to see originally
Asmongold, I'm sure you won't read this, but there is a program that allows an iPod to essentially act as a typical MP3 player where you just drag and drop.
I used to use a program to do this back in the day because I had an iPod that I got from someone, but never had iTunes or made an iTunes account.
I've always owned Android phones and all of that, as I don't really like Apple anyway.
Nonetheless, my point is that there is a program that will let you drag and drop music straight to the iPod without all of the iTunes bullshit.
Ashes of Creation ~ New MMORPG by Intrepid Studios:
You're backer 10937. May 2017
Estimated delivery: Dec 2018
These are our promises to you:
* And finally, in the case that Ashes of Creation does NOT launch, we promise to refund all backers in full*
I asked for refund but it got rejected.🤨
There is only one error made here.
...using an iPod instead of any other, proper MP3-player.
Yeah, last time I checked no one really remembers that the last God of War game was delayed by quite a bit, but they do remember that the game was amazing on release outside of the subtitles being a bit too small. Delay until its finished, no one remembers delays but they sure as fuck remember if the game is dogshit.
Kinda funny that OP-guy claims foul mixing the games up when he does it: no breeding in Pantheon was talked about…that was an ashes thing 🤣
“We don’t need a new fucking wheel. We had a wheel and was rolling.” AMEN.
2:49 for Copa Cola
Asmongold is just doing asynchronous podcast content
Same complaints with this and Star citizen. Don't wait for the game. Don't even think about it. When it arrives it arrives. If these games belonged to a publisher, you wouldn't hear about these games at all until it's almost finished. Since that's not the case , these Devs would rather have constant crowd testing from the games infancy.
I've never heard poignant plosives so particularly powerful as Asmon's potent pronunciation of words with P.
I proclaim that we're all facing pending peril because he is proficiently and persistently propagating pocket portal universes within the planet that will one day potentially pull apart the fabric of reality and we'll all perish in the explosion and then be posthumously plunged into that pure proton plasma of probability.
Shame hes never looked at the Pantheon gameplay streams for Coh's sessions, looks pretty fun tbh.
Cohh tweeted they are shooting for another in November.
the riot mmo and aoc will be the top two mmos after release im guessing if wow doesnt get better and ff doesnt innovate
27:33 This! Open world PvP is the #1 factor in me not giving a crap about AoC
Ashes of Creation can't fall in to the same issue Star Citizen fell in to.
Wanting too much and never finishing the product ever cause always new ideas coming in.
Alphas should only be granted to some individuals who have signed up for it, or game testers. there should not be a price attached to the alpha as it is called testing. this is a test that a company relies on for feedback. Real World companies pay people or give people items for free for testing. when you require payed access you are going to guarantee a certain audience wich may not reflect other audiences of the game.
9th year of alpha for pantheon? why not just count back to when brad wrote a name on a napkin in highschool.
this seems really overblown for what is essentially just josh confusing 2 mid, unreleased games for each other
It always makes my day when asmon says the riot mmo is gonna be good
looked up scope creep, and you explained it before I was able to type.
When you look back at the first videos of AoC, you can't say that it gonna deliver that ... Funny when you listen to this dude. I bet his video is a paid ad for AoC.
“Keep the wheel rolling.”
A great example is professional sports. They don’t constantly reinvent baseball and it’s been around nearly 100 years.
AOC isn't coming out for another 5 years at minimum. It's Star Citizen of the fantasy MMORPG genre.
why do people always bring up riot mmo like dont get me wrong i cant hide my excitement for its insane potential but we don't even know yet if its ever going to release. and theres like, 2 sentences of information about it. meanwhile ashes is a fully existing game with gameplay, lots of art, and lots of info on systems etc. i mean at the moment the two cannot be compared at all.
Features are not Expansions
"A lot of these concerns can be applied to AOC" No, it cannot. So far, all that has been shown is core features, they have not shown the secondary entertainment features yet.
Narc is starting to annoy me now, he sounds like a Star Citizen white knight maybe he should start a cult.
That's not how scope creep works.
I don't know how many years AoC will take but Unreal Engine 6 will release before game for sure, and in that time, dev will switch to UE6 and need to adjust things to take years :)