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- The SEC and Big Ten announced a joint partnership to address issues within college football and Greg McElroy is here to help explain it all. Will either conference be aggressive in future expansion? Will Notre Dame be forced to join a conference sooner rather than later? What is the future of the 12-team College Football Playoff (and automatic qualifiers) and so much more.
0:00 Intro
2:30 It is wild to think the SEC and Big Ten are working together
6:00 It should not be 6 automatic qualifiers for the CFP
8:30 College football is a mess right now
11:40 Will the SEC and Big Ten split from the rest of college football?
22:40 Will the Big Ten or the SEC be aggressive in the next wave of expansion?
26:45 Would the SEC or Big Ten kick school's out?
28:50 Will Notre Dame be forced to join either the Big Ten or SEC?
30:40 Will we see more coaches leave programs NOT in the Big Ten & SEC for the NFL?
33:35 Could this ultimately affect the 12-team CFP as far as automatic bids?
36:20 Will ESPN and Fox ever come together in broadcast rights to help support each other?
37:35 What will scheduling for the SEC and Big Ten look like with this new partnership?
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2023 was already the last normal year for college sports. take in college basketball and baseball, it won’t be the same. i’m not against paying players, it’s the fact that there’s 0 rules
you wonder why Chip Kelly is leaving along with Boston College’s coach who already left. they know CFB is unstable, and if you’re at a program who doesn’t have the resources to compete to begin with, but now it’s become enhanced with the rules, there’s no point trying
If they don’t regulate this quickly, it’s going to spiral so out of control, that it may be too late to reign in things.
Such a bummer to see CFB turn into NFL jr, losing a lot of what makes college football special
Yep. I’m out. A free education (which a shrinking percentage of players care about anymore) AND getting paid…it’s going to become a thug league and all the smart people will got to D2 and D3 where the true essence of college ball remains.
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11th place 5 loss SEC team: “look at how hard our schedule is …we should get in over that 2 loss ACC runner up”.
Meanwhile they only played 3 actually tough games.
Facts
I’m seriously considering checking out on college football. Been my passion since 64. Don’t want NFL junior. Recruiting your own roster, NIL , portals. Despise prospect of two conferences ruling or breaking away What universe are we in with USC etc in Big 10? Hate to see PAC 12 destroyed over money with ACC likely next. Money and greed destroying the game. Hate leaving just when Tennessee finally emerged from 15 years of futility. Coaches smart to bolt for NFL. At this point, It Just Doesn’t Mean More! And 12 team playoff too many, cheapens regular season. Could keep ranting but….!
College Football overall is spirling the drain. They are losing fanatics faster than pocketing money.
Super Conference isn’t happening. Alienate too many fans. How did it workout for European soccer, it didn’t.
This would be too simple, have 4 conferences, Southeastern, northeastern, northwestern, and southwestern. 16 team playoffs with 4 play in games. But that would be to much to ask for.
16 teams is too much, 12 is already gonna show it’s flaws soon
Problem is we have 131 FBS teams so you either have to limit it to just power 5 schools or youd have 30+ teams per conference, and there are WAY more teams east of Texas than there are west coast of texas teams. Like way way more. Other than that if you limit it to P5 only then you're completely eliminating half FBS schools.
@@MeesterCHRlSa bigger problem, which also wouldn’t work (regions)
@GoatedAtNFS I agree totally!!
I am a die hard Nittany Lions 🦁 fan, and I think if we couldn't get in the 4 team, I am not mad, we didn't deserve it obviously!!! I think 8 team playoff is the best idea, but they already jumped that idea!!! WE ARE
That's a great idea but how are you going to get the other 60 AD'S to agree with you. I love college football because of the rivalries and the history. I love hating other teams. IMO the NFL has to adopt an amateur league where college players don't feel like if they're not in the spotlight they'll never make it in the league. And there has to be some transfer portal and NIL rules
College football was at its greatest heights during the 6 power conference held strong. Look at college football today we lost the Big East soon the Pac12 will be dissovle. And most of all the debate of college football will no longer exist in my world.
You need academic standards too.
Jesús saves ❤
And how does this have anything to do with the topic being discussed?
i save also after every change to a document
Lol they can’t break away. They would have to get anti trust exemptions. The same laws that are applying to the NCAA right now, would apply to “breaking away”
I just do not understand how it's so complicated when all the other divisions have big playoffs. All conference champions get auto bids and the top 7 in each section (4) get into the playoffs.
Coaches Salaries are a mess.
Nothing wrong with NIL. Do Salary Cap and give players 10% Revenue.?
Portal should be cleaned up. One transfer per contract
Do two conferences
8 divisions with 10 teams each
8 divisions winners with 4 wildcards
26:46 Northwestern and Vanderbilt are both AAU schools. Huge research NSF type grants and networking with regional schools for even more money and multi year stipends. They will not become flotsam and jetsam. Football is football but the universities are also into profit making outside of athletics. SEC went actively went after other AAUs such as Missouri and Texas A&M to increase their academic rigor that had been mocked for many years and a decades in research earnings.
still has nothing to due with football. while it looks good. those are large government grants not profits for colleges. i wonder now that college football is a "business venture", how much academics "face" will remain in football. if a new league is made.
Every Big Ten school is AAU.
@@MrLigmenarxis Dude you know nothing of the greater landscape of profits the top tier universities vie for. I worked in that realm for many years. Grant writers are highly sought after, money from the stipends is competitive, if renewed successfully billions of dollars resulting in valuable research patents. Northwestern and Vanderbilt are both going nowhere despite your "face" remaining solely on football
@@teddy.d174 YESSSS!
@@teddy.d174 no, Nebraska isn’t AAU.
With regards to Northwestern and Vanderbilt: Northwestern is in the biggest TV market in the Big Ten: Chicago. Vanderbilt is in the second biggest TV market in the SEC: Nashville. (I'm assuming that UGA is in the Atlanta market.)
Nobody is kicking either one of them out and then letting the ACC or Big 12 gain a foothold in those markets.
I used to love it I like it but the romance is fading. Becoming too much like the pros which I despise
As a Ole Miss fan this scares me that one day us smaller sec schools might get booted from the league
Ole Miss isn't going anywhere brotherman. Any super league would include Ole Miss
I think that is what is coming next. You don't need Michigan State if you have Michigan. The Rutgers, Northwesterns, Ole Miss, Miss State, Vandy, etc are the next to face the axe. What happened to Oregon State was just wrong. They won't be the last.
@@craiganderson8569Oregon state and wazzou will figure it out they control the pac just won’t be the same
@craiganderson8569 No, Ole Miss is very relevant, lol. I mean, they've won at least 10 games 3 years in a row, and there's gonna be no let up with Lane Kiffin there. Like I said, any super league would include Ole Miss
@@Todd_B639 Oregon State was pretty relevant the past few years as well. Stanford was a top 10 team not that long ago and is one of the wealthiest schools in the nation. Cal is the top public school in the nation, in one of the biggest media markets. No guarantee if those schools are left out, that Ole Miss wouldn't be. The only schools who are safe for sure are USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Bama, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Oregon, Washington, LSU, maybe Wisconsin, UCLA etc.
Sooner, rather than later. Just can't keep going with all the chaos. But, there are some real issues with who gets in and who gets left out when the big move to a mini NFL happens. For example, got to include FSU, Miami, Clemson and some Big 12 schools IMO. along with some more ACC schools. But, do Vanderbilt and Rutgers and Northwestern get in? The sorting that has to happen will be both interesting and heartbreaking in some cases. I hate it because I'm a traditionalist and miss the idea of Washington State beating a USC for example.
Hate to burst your bubble but all The big 12 schools have already missed it. They would of been taken already in the P2 if they were big enough
The 2 automatic qualifier for the G5 is necessary
College football as we know it is over. Say goodbye to College football fans across the country who'll be on the outside looking in. Who wants to see just the SEC and the Big Ten playing eachother?. Greed is a good thing, 'ami right?! 🙄
Money!
SEC Commissioners Rhetoric is useless ..Players Unionization is imminent
The direction they're going in is a mistake. While college football may be the farm system for the nfl, people still perceive it as something else. Triple-A baseball isn't a must-see tv every week. They're turning cfb into minor league baseball.
You don't draft from your farm system.
@@kevinbond8966 i said perception
@@massivedynamic2339 College football is not the farm system of the NFL. NFL has no farm system. MLB doesn't draft players from AAA baseball.
@kevinbond8966 it is a farm system. Just because the player acquisition process differs from the baseball model doesn't mean it's not a farm. Btw, what do you think the UFL is? Minor league football. CFB is minor league football.
@@massivedynamic2339 MLB drafts players out of highschool and college and other countries. Just like the NFL drafts out of college. You don't know what a farm system is.
I don't like the 12 team playoff format at all. It will make the regular season worthless and undermine long standing rivalries.
Greg, go back to the 1980's when The University of Oklahoma and The University of Georgia vs NCAA over the amount of games on TV. Now move forward to the 2024 partnership between The SEC and B1G10 Confence. I agree with a post below stating 2023 was the last normal year for college sports. July 1st 2024 starts THE NEW COLLEGE SPORTS YEAR.
2012 September 1st BAMA vs MICHIGAN, location Jerry's World I was at that game. This is one example why SEC and BIG10 are doing what they see as the FUTURE of college sports.
I was in a "Sports of Economics" class about 15 years ago, and my research partner an I, along with the professor talked about this happening, and why it hadn't happened. Our professor, who had worked with the NFL and NASCAR, simply answered..., "it will happen when everyone is happy with the money they are getting". High level "college football" will be as some say, "pro-light".., and the Cal Polys, Utah States, and UT-Chattanoogas, will be "true"college football.
If paying players was a big reason for all of this playing out how it has then yeah im against college players being paid. I dont care about the dollars I care about the traditions and rivalries. You know the things that made this better than the NFL for alot of us. Once again money kills anything remotely fun.
Yeah, instead of the "power 5", now it's the "core four"
And 2 of the 4 are kinda weak overall
@@brendanschriber3242 granted, 🫢🤣
The Big Ten and the SEC just raised their fists and stated…”It’s now the big two and the rest.”
@@teddy.d174 They pretty much are, lol
at least it’s P5 in basketball…a sport the AD forgets about.
At some point it makes since to return to regional groups - divisions within each conference. Starts to look like nfl
I’m done with BIG TIME college football. I’ll root for team representing my alma mater where I was sports section co-editor for the college’s daily newspaper. And I’ll root for my high school’s team.
I really think Oregon moving to the B1G jump started this 'partnership' you now have
the Nike brand and I'm sure that PK would love to leave his mark on College football.
G5 team has usually cracked the top 12 by week 10 or so every year. So just take the top 12 ranked teams.
I am in the Big 10 (OSU) but the Big Ten + SEC advisory panel has 1890 Sherman Act anti-competition violation written all over it. It's the richest and second richest conferences coming together. That's like Coke + Pepsi joining forces to corner the market. The same DOJ that's reviewing student athletes' trasnferring will be the same DOJ taking up anti-competition. Also Notre Dame will be forced to join the ACC because if ND is number 12 but a Power 4 conference is number 23, that conference would sue ND and the playoff committee for following the rules and belonging to a conference.
As things stand, the NCAA cannot possibly enforce the established rules in a fair manner-they have unequivocally proven this. I will not be surprised if they end up with a federal judicial agreement that allows them to establish a business arrangement along the lines of the professional sports leagues.
And actually, this is the trajectory of college football...and it is a good thing for the sport. There are solutions here that can improve the landscape considerably...solutions that will challenge the perennial, blueblood powers. When a structure of equity, fairness and parity are legislated into place everyone will truly benefit-especially the players...fans will always be unmitigated ignorant, crybaby fools-but that's life...deal with it.
The B1G and SEC will collectively bargain with the "student athletes" making any anti-trust lawsuits moot.
Oh BS. Lots of fantasy prognostication - and that's it. It's not exactly like the SEC and Big 10 don't have their own attorneys who have looked at the entire situation. Please...nothing quite like Internet legal experts quoting the anti-trust act. What law school did you get your JD degree from again? I think I missed your bona fides on the subject...
I'm.a Penn State fan Carla
I believe this is a way to knock the MAC and WAC (excuse the pun, but they're real conferences), out of playoff contention.
They're already on the outside looking in, and this
expansion of the "Big 4" conferences just pushed those schools further away
You won't find a two loss, let alone one loss Western Michigan, Ball State, Brigham Young or Idaho in the playoff unless they have a perfect season, and that don't mean much either, look at what happened to Florida State this season.
Fire Tony Petitti!
What?
I have been predicting this for years. But it’s not because I am Nostradamus. These 2 are gobbling up brand names. And not only are they preparing to go away, they should.
Northwestern is committed
48 teams: 8 divisions of 6. You play 5 games in division each yr and rotate every 2 years what other of the 7 divisions u play (so home & home game rotation). Thats 11 games. You get 1 additional game to do whatever you want as "rivalry" or whatever but has to be one of the other 47 teams in the league. Then each team that wins their division is auto qualifier. And then theres 4 "wild card". The top 8 division winners, top 4 based off records get auto bye first rd. Theres ur 12 team playoff. Badaboom badabing!
The thing is though the B1G and SEC are very top heavy and mediocre to bad at the bottom of their conferences. I don’t find it “fair” that teams like TCU, Cincy, Baylor, UCF, etc who have had success get screwed but teams like Indiana, Vandy, Northwestern, etc get to be in a super conference when they have been absolutely trash and haven’t don’t anything worthy at all. It’s all about money not football which is absurd.
Big Ten(NFC) VS SEC (AFC) = College Super Bowl . Where will Notre Dame land?
Crazy how Greg just says “these coaches are making 8-10-12 million dollars a year” so nonchalantly, but ppl are making a huge deal out of a NIL. SMH
College football can’t collectively bargain. Reason is too many ppl. They can share revenue. But not Collectively bargain. Almost a mathematical impossibility.
Plus, the PAC-12 alliance was FORCED with the others ..
I don't see the SEC or BIG 10 going their own way because why would they?
Multi national champs, possibly 3x
( big-10/sec/rest) naw .
The big-10 / sec is pretty much college-football so joing makes ALOT more sense
There is now only 4 power conferences, 4 winners are in and take the next 8 best teams as at large. Done.
How long will the SEC be scared to play 9 Conference games?
They’ve already said we are going to 9 games next year
@@jyrionbell848 Nope it was voted Down for '24 and hasn't even been discussed for 2025 yet.
scared? it’s called strategics. you don’t eat each other out of the playoffs and it was 2 teams at one point, now 4, and now 12. look at the OOC games too, you wanna kill other rivalries with the OOC games scheduled? it’s already been killed with conference realignment.
also, you still wanna help lower division schools, FCS schools and G5 FBS schools, with NIL that’s already unbalanced and teams like UTSA will never get a winning roster.
so it’ll stay with 8 teams
@joe_zeay people seem to have selective memory these days. Do you know when the Pac12 went to 9 games? Do you know what went along with that? Their TV deal. When did the Big12 go to 9 games? Which also happened to coincide with their TV deal. Even the B1G, the last conference to switch to 9 games. They all switched because that extra high profile game made them more money. So someone like you, who's hopefully ignorant of these facts (and not a hypocrite) demanding that they should switch without being compensated for it like everyone else has because you called them scared, is ridiculous. They voted it down for 2024 because ESPN wouldn't pay extra for a 9th game. Because their contract was negotiated before the TX & OU addition. They are calling ESPN's bluff and not switching to 9 until they get paid for it. Any reasonable person can understand that.
But since you brought up being scared, I'll quote College Football Nerds... June 4, 2023
"In the playoffs, 9-game conferences are 3-12 vs 8-game conferences. (1-12 since 2015).
9-gamers have blown out 8-gamers twice
8-gamers have blown out 9-gamers eight times
If 8-game conferences work the system to unfairly get into the playoffs, the results would be opposite".
If I haven't made my point yet, I'll go further.... Michigan is the ONLY National Champion with 9-game conference schedule. But they weren't the first... believe it or not the SEC was the first, with Alabama when they went undefeated during the covid year with the 10-game conference schedule. You seem to be regurgitating other peoples talking points without any knowledge on the subject yourself.
@@jyrionbell848theyve been saying that every year
CFB needs a scheduling committee like the NFL. If you want to enter the playoffs and championship than you tkae the schedule they give you. 10 conference game and 2 out of conference games from Power 5 conferences.
Than how can you quantify putting a non power 5 team in the playoffs? If no power 5 team plays non power 5 teams.
@@Ace-mw9pm if you are not a power 5 team you are SOL
Ya.. I'm out. the Whole transfer portal idiocy and the NIL make College football no fun. I guess the best place to enjoy real college football spirit is now in the FCS
Make the players employees, collectively bargain with them on NIL, the transfer portal, opt outs etc. Hire a commissioner to look out for the best interests of the sport as a whole. Right now EVERYONE is looking out for their own interests. The players, the coaches, the conferences, the individual teams are only thinking about themselves.
Very good program, great analysis. I agree with you on the points taken. I just think it will happen sooner than later.
Why not just skip the regular season and let everyone in the playoffs?
All fluff until @6:01
2 conf B1G and SEC 4 division each 4 team conf playoff conf champs met for the natty
Hey, Greg, you're a great analyst. RTR
The Original "Alliance" of the B1G, ACC, and Pac12 only existed to vote as a block against ESPN continuing to monopolize the playoffs and that's why they voted against it. They wanted the newly created 12 Team Playoff to go to the open market, so all the major TV networks could bid on the games, which would drive it's value through the roof. Therefore the "Alliance" wasn't necessarily against a 12 Team Playoff expansion. They were voting against ESPN's control over it. All that nonsense about Alliance schools playing against each other was just a ridiculous cover because they were too scared to openly challenge the power of ESPN and it's corrupt Playoff Committee. Nothing was stopping them from scheduling non-con games against each other and they didn't need some Alliance to do it. They were scared of getting scrooged like what eventually happened to FSU.
I'm a SEC guy, but these two GREEDY conferences won't be a good thing. This will be a battle over NIL and the portal. These two conferences will make sure that they have all the advantages over the athletes
Here’s how I think you get around kicking the weak teams out you pick your 36 to 40 schools all of them go independent then they play each other and make up your own rules !!! I think that’s what’s gonna happen!!
BERHALTER OUT
I personally think a 24 team format would do wonders. Have a “March Madness” type style of vibe
That’s way too many teams football, and basketball are way different. The playoffs would last months .
Yep. The NCAA BB tournament works and no one is complaining about it. Problem is ESPN has not figured out how to get a monopoly on the CFB tournament. Not yet, that is.
@@omelborpon3159 11 vs 11 is not 5 v 5.
out of the top 25 teams right now what teams do you legitimately think can win the championship? with NIL, there will be no more “cinderellas” and never really was cinderellas in the college football world. 24 is mad, college athletes got midterms and the beginning of another semester. you’re completely devaluing the regular season
@@GoatedAtNFS I think the landscape has opened up for more Cinderella stories. Just forces the ADs and Alumni Coordinators to put in that work to bolster their schools
Great video. Thanks!
It's the suicide of college football
This is not the golden age of college football coming. The golden age of college football is over. Money has once again corrupted amateur sports and has taken over. No longer will sports teach teamwork, honor, loyalty and fortitude. The damage has already begun an is massive. One of the most storied conferences in college football, the Pacific Coast Conference will be gone next year and kids are quitting their teams and transferring when times are tough or there’s more money to be made. Many don’t realize what we’re losing and won’t until its gone. Sadly, that is the history of man. Greed wins, humanity loses.
Boot both conferences from the NCAA basketball tourament.
College football is always lost coaches to the NFL. Why would you not aspire to be a NFL coach? Just because things are changing and people are doing what they’ve always done. Doesn’t mean somethings wrong. If coaches leave for the NFL other coaches will fill their gaps.
The question presented for the powers that be is whether schools outside of the SEC & Big Ten have a right to compete for a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP?
I mean the other conferences can come up with their own championship similar to how it use to be with claiming nc
How about addressing Ohio State’s involvement and inclusion in the NCAA Catapult Investigation… So sick of Herbstreit and the rest of you talking heads hiding the story.
Ok state tcu Baylor had one good year, they not good enough for sec or b1g
SEC-B1G is going to be another NFL-AFL merger. The rest of college football will be like the USFL struggling to survive and hoping to move into one of those two conferences.
Until the SEC and B10 get hit with their first anti-trust lawsuit that blows their universities back to reality..... You wanna play football like a business in the US, then youll need to follow business law in the US. The NCAA while terrible protected these universities from these cases for decades, but once they leave the NCAA it will be a legal massacre.
There is no joke 50 years of evidence of issues, and 5 cases of precedent in this sport alone against the NCAA, not to mention the NFL went through exactly the same thing and it nearly shredded the league before it even become the NFL in full.
CFB is going to be minor league football, it use to feel like its own thing.
People need to pay attention to what Josh Pate reports. He's pretty confident that a new league is already a done deal and everything they're doing now is just for the looks.
With Only 4 Power Conferences, this means only 4 Guaranteed and 12 Maybes. The way College Football is going, I may Dump them the way I Dumped the NFL years ago. If I were President, I would Cancell the NFL and NBA. Hence, No need for College Football.
As a Florida State Seminoles fan, I just hope that we still get to play Florida every year. I believe that we have them signed up on our schedule till at least 2035, but don't quote me on that.
What everyone going to do when the semi finals are all sec teams,
Or an all B1G championship like last year. 😂
SEC about to get exposed
Indiana is probably the dead weight in the B1G more than the Northwestern, by a little.
It is just a bit weird to have your Vanderbilts and Indianas be among the _haves_ in our brave new CFB world.
How is the debate between Indiana and Northwestern, when Rutgers is in that conference..... aka the university that hasnt been relevant in sports in 120 years....
Still, anyone wants to claim that joining these conferences is about skill - 2012 B10 took Rutgers over Cincinatti. I mean it doesnt get more obvious than that.
Mark Emmert and Charlie Baker... Dumb & Dumber
Jesús saves and loves everyone
@@Babylion2311 Romans 10:9
Greg, it's high time to do some grooming. Voice coaching wouldn't go awry either.
I see this alliance as a wise defensive move for the SEC. When the dust settled after the latest conference expansion, the SEC found itself as the only regional conference, spanning only two time zones. The SEC understands that the Big 10 is in a position where they may poach some SEC schools in the next wave of expansion. This alliance will discourage the five SEC that have the academic standards to be admitted into the Big Ten from leaving the SEC.
FSU Clemson Miami UNC VT UVA Duke ND would all be picked up.. teams like NCST Louisville Baylor TCU UCF etc.. teams like that would be in the next best conference or have an outside chance at getting in the big 2
The Big Ten and SEC should partner to replace the NCAA.
The new CFP format will screw the top two conferences.
The 12 teams in the expanded format should all be determined by the top 12 ranked teams by the CFP committee. No auto bids for conference winners!
Bye Bye Big 12 and ACC
SEC and big 10 follow the path of national and American Leagues in baseball and even out the team numbers. Then pull a page out of soccer book for the rest of the teams and allow relegation to bring in string tabs and drop underperformers.
Clemson and fsu will probably join the Sec soon
SEC should kick out Vandy, Miss State, kentucky,
Big 10 should kick out northwestern,rutgers, Minnesota.
The bottom feeders of their conferences. And bring in Florida state notre dame to the big10. clemson, miami for the sec. Bigger brands more $
Unless they keeping the bottom feeders so that every week isnt crazy. And teams could take an easy win.