A Thousand Dollars Worth of Wood || Buying Wood Online
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Without the beard, I don’t know if I trust him. 😂
Took me far too long to realise it was even him 'o.O
I do. DONT!
I was thinking the same thing 😂
Who's this????
😅😅😅
I can’t believe Beardgate was not addressed in this video. The viewers demand answers!!! 😂
The blade guard on his clippers fell off when he was trimming his beard. He talked about it on facebook
@@christianhelms6676happened to me too sometime ago, pure agony.
@@christianhelms6676 oof, been there. It sucks!!!
llol
Beardgate is a thing ... LOL! Knowing Jason though, that thing will grow back in just a few hours.
Jason, your review and appreciation mean the world to us! We built our business on two principles: delivering quality service and top-notch hardwoods. We couldn't be happier to hear that you enjoy our S4S products. Thank you for your support! 💪
Please keep your comments strictly on topic to the fact that Jason shaved his beard, thank you.
Kiss ass
Maybe his shaving his beard was a trade off to get a good response from the vendor.
And to the vendor: nice quality response, but why did you demand his beard be shaved?
Spoilers! LOL
LOL @@SecurityClearancePodcast
Hey there Scruffins, hair goes nothing! This video was well groomed even though it was a bit of a short cut. You are always here to shave the day. Your beard was starting to grow on us. All good things must comb to an end. Thanks for shearing the online sources even though they didn’t make the cut. That will help us with our shavings account. Maybe you can sell that wood as a fund-razor. It could be a mane source of income for someone. Ha!
*chef's kiss*
That was an impressive amount of puns!
*slow clap
Well done!
ChatGPT wrote a zinger.
Well done
i live about 40 minutes from Baird Bros. and have been buying wood from them for over 25 years never been disappointed good to see props for an Ohio company
I have ordered from them in the past and they were awesome.
They're an hour from me, totally agree.
I’m under the impression that the control was for rough lumber, would have been interesting for you to have your local wood store prepare the board S4S. I know that when I get mine prepare it generally take about a week so my local shop would not actually ranked first in that regard. I think that one of the main appeal of the online supplier is to be able to order S4S as not everyone is equipped to used rough cut lumber
I hope Jason addresses this comment because I had the same thought- is the price he listed S4S?
Also, one must consider availability. With oak/maple/walnut, it's probably not an issue. However, your local place may not have the exotic wood you need while somewhere on the internet will.
This is still a great video and the information is certainly useful!
I wasn’t ready for the $600 Wagner moisture meter price tag.
Wow, no Bellforest? You can handpick from the site, you can contact them directly for your order and they work with you. I think you had a big miss not having Bellforest in your test.
He was pretty clear about how/why he picked the ones he did; first up in google search which is what 99.4% of humanity does. ** shrug **
I'm suddenly even more grateful for Hugh's Hardwood here in Sacramento. Red Oak is $4.25/BF and Maple is $5.25/BF. I could get all of that wood for less than $250.
Right? I've Got Macbeath Lumber near me( 25 minutes away) I cannot imagine what it would cost to get Afromosia or Black limba via delivery.
For us Germans that sounds like an unfathomable dream
Out of curiosity, what kinds of woods do you work with most often and have the most access to? @@dgrwd
Hey!! That’s where my dad always got his wood for his cabinets. Nice to see a fellow Californian!
Thanks for that info!
"That's ugly, old person wood." Lol.
I'm kinda shocked Bell wasnt one of the companies. I've had great luck with them for exotics
Their prices are pretty good too. $30+/BF for white oak is highway robbery
Bell Forest Products is a great company to deal with. I’ve ordered a few hundred bf from them and always gotten fantastic quality boards. Their big boxes of exotic cutoffs are also awesome for turners
Bell Forest Products, great people to deal with.. Boone & Eric are the best…….
I have ordered hardwoods from Bell Forest and have been very pleased.
Bellforest is hands down the best I've used and my number 1 go to. I'm surprised he didn't use them, especially since i saw them pop up when he showed the screen cap of google in the beginning of the video and they were the first result
Should have thrown the big box stores in there as options so we could see how they ranked verses actual hardwood suppliers.
hardwood for big box is usually 20% more, but its usually ok stuff. hell it could be half assed as still the same quality and 1/14th the wait time as shipped
The HD near me ONLY has red oak. Anything else, nope. Special order only. :(
Not going to get a great selection of hardwoods at either as far as species. Red Oak, Maple or Poplar. HD used to sell Walnut, but no longer does (at least the stores I worked in). Lowes is the same. Quality/consistency though is actually pretty good, and it is all S4S.
@@RB-vr7mqI was just at HD today for something else, and my local HD (near Seattle) carries Walnut still! White Oak is super expensive locally though, definitely not getting $7/board foot like Jason
@@RB-vr7mqIf you have a Menards in the area then try them. They have a decent selection of red oak, alder aspen, popular, cherry, hickory, mahogany, maple and walnut. All in stock and wrapped in plastic. Some have more variety of sizes and thicknesses than others. All probably cost less than ordering it online from any of these places.
This is a very informative look at how to order wood online.
The linear rating system can distort the ranking.
Example: If the delivery times were close to one another, say 6 days, 7 days, 7days, 8 days, 9 days the 6 day delivery would get 5 points and the 9 day delivery would get 1 point. That is a big difference for just 3 days.
Also each of the rating categories are rated out of 6 which means they are of equal importance.
Good point. I think each person might value certain aspects differently...for example, silver ranked higher for me as someone without milling tools. Vs someone that needs longer boards, fast shipping etc. Overall very informative with tons of useful info that can be applied to fit the viewer's unique circumstances/preferences.
I just typed up the same thing without reading the comments. Should be 0-10 (or 0-100) points and scaled. Bunch of stuff shows up quickly, but one is super late, give them points between 8 and 10, but one score of 0. A lot have quality issues, but one is great, give them points between 3 and 6, but one score gets a 10.
Having each category the same amount of points kinda makes sense to me. Maybe you need it fast, maybe you need it to be the best, maybe you don't have the money and can deal with worse quality.
The data is there and I think one can apply a weighting to each category that aligns with their requirements. This would then lead to the best choice for them.
@@jbrickey good point
totally agree. I think certain categories should be weighted more heavily.
Steve Wall Lumber in Mayodan, NC, y'all. Great folks, great prices, easy to deal with.
No affiliation, just a happy customer.
I used to work for Rockingham Co, small world 😂
100% agree. Better cost, product, and responsiveness than any of those reviewed. Good guys!
I buy mine online from Ocooch Hardwoods. Never had a problem with anything. Quick shipping and always quality stuff. One time they did forget one piece that I had ordered. I called them and let them know. It was on a Friday afternoon. I had the board Monday. Even though I told them not to expedite the shipping cause I wouldn’t be using it soon.
That's who I use when I need to order something. Never had an issue
love them best prices from online
Checked them out, can't order anything longer than 24" unless I'm missing something. Not really useful for 90% of what I do.
@@robingreding7696same. Not many uses with 24” lengths
@@robingreding7696 you can just had a buch of 6 footer orderd
I went to buy wood online and the shipping was as much as the wood cost. It was actually cheaper to order S4S wood from homedepot with free shipping.
HD will send maple, walnut and red oak right to your door. Thx for let folks know.
What was your order?
@DownloadFreeWoodworkingPlans I ordered some walnut and some maple. The walnut wasn't great, there were lots of color variations and several flaws. but a lot of the maple had flame figuring. Every piece had planer marks and one piece of walnut had some bad snipe.
If you are going to buy from HD go there in person and rent one of ther trucks for $20 for an hour. At least you might get something useful by picking each board yourself. They are going to grab whatever crap is at the top of the pile for online orders.
@@gredystar8333 The only hardwood my HD carries is poplar and red oak and they don't rent trucks.
I have bought moldings from Baird Brothers. It was a pleasure working with them. I got what I ordered. Delivery was easy. I would order from them again without hesitation.
Robert, thank you for choosing Baird Brothers!
It looks like a good experience.
I’m amazed that Woodworkers Source was rated so low. I’ve ordered white oak multiple times from them and it was excellent quality and good color match. I did specifically order premium quarter sawn white oak though, so I’m not sure if that made a difference.
I've only ever ordered carving blocks and once when it was on sale baltic birch from them and it was great
I've also ordered rough sawn Walnut from Woodworkers Source and it was not only inexpensive but really nice quality. I'm surprised they didn't do as well here.
I ordered walnut the only time I ordered from Woodworker’s Source and the quality was great.
I ordered 10 board feet from Woodpeckers because it was one of the deals. The price for the walnut was descent however what I got was terrible. The wood was bowed, poorly planed, had knots in the middle of the boards, had sap wood, and some of the pieces were not 4' as advertised. I did not attempt to contact them because it was awful all around. I had seen Four Eyes order a lot of wood from Woodworker's Source and never mention an issue however since there are some local to me, I would rather go into their show room. However, their prices are higher than other local hardwood dealers so I don't.
Thanks for doing these type of in-depth videos. I enjoyed the oiled rag experiment as well.
Can't thank you enough for this "experiment" and analysis!
I've been buying from Baird Brothers for years and specifying their moldings for years. Great people and great service!
Daniel, we're happy to hear you enjoy our mouldings. Thank you for choosing Baird Brothers! 💪
You misspelled “Beard”.
They are good.
Great video Jason! Thanks for all the hard work !
Thanks Jason, very helpful!
My one and only true woodworking project was a coffee table. I sourced ash from Baird Brothers. I can’t say enough positive things about them. They were open during my Covid lockdown so I could maintain my sanity with this project.
Eric, we're thrilled to be a part of your coffee table project. 💪
As someone without the vehicle to move wood, thanks for this video!
For those prices it would be cheaper to rent a uhaul and get better wood
@@builtat_the_beach1516 ain't that the truth
See if you Home Depot rents flatbed trucks. One near me $30 for first 75 min. Enough time to run to a lumber yard and back.
@omm2745 that's a great price. I'll definitely look into that
You could put the 4ft boards in the trunk of an Uber :)
My experience with Rockler was not good. First they were not responsive. Second they wanted me to pay the shipping for a return, making it more economical to keep an unwanted produce and make the best of it. Last, they had a notification that there may be a restocking fee. S, I'm not so sure that they would be accommodating. Good bye Rockler, I will not shop there. But this video was the best. Very exhaustive. You hit all the important points. Very informative. Thanks!
What do people hate on Red oak so much? I love red oak! It’s not ugly old man wood LOL
Thanks for this comparison. Surprised Bell Forest wasn't used. I've purchased rough mahogany from them and it was pretty much perfect. Actually received more than I ordered. I also bought some cherry from Rockler once when it was on sale ... junk. Half of it had wane, knots, bows, and twists ... sent it all back. Whoever did the picking didn't care in the least.
Great video and very educational. Some influencers show getting wood online from a particular company but you know that they are not paying the $30 a BF like we would pay. I was hoping that you would have used Bell Forest Products since i have used them a couple of times with great results. And you have the benefit of picking out individual boards like you would at the local lumber yard since they have pics of each board. Thanks for your videos.
Very helpful. Thank you for putting this together.
SIZE MATTERS!(no,seriously). Great experiment & analysis Jason! 1 factor hardwood buyers should note is quality & size rarely increase proportionally.
For example, if you ordered 1’ length boards from each company I’d expect uniform high ratings. Doubt you’d see any defects.
Now place the same order for 16’ lengths. I’m guessing 1/2 the orders would be unfilled & what showed up would look less impressive than what you received here.
Slight bows over 12” length seem benign.
Same curve stretched over 192” looks horrific.
Etc.
I'm honestly surprised by the Woodworkers Source. When I lived in AZ, I used all of their local stores and never had any issue, the stores are great, the people are great and the wood you pick out was great. Since I've moved to another state, I have always kept them in mind if I needed to order online since I've dealt with them and knew that you could make an online order. Thought that they'd be up near the top in this blind test.
Agree with you. I’ve been ordering from them for a while now and have been nothing but completely satisfied
Also agree with you. I use Woodworkers Source exclusively for my hardwood needs. They have a large selection of exotics and their standard hardwoods are priced right….typically well under $15 bft. I do live in AZ but I have to travel 100 miles one way to stock up. But if I only do that three or four times a year it’s not a hassle and I can select nice looking wood for reasonable cost.
Maybe they dump lower quality online and sell higher in person?
Agreed. I have nothing but good experiences ordering online from them.
You only get one chance to make a first impression, so this was very unfortunate for them.
I've ordered online from Woodworkers Source for years and never had any problems at all. I was really expecting them to be one of the best companies throughout the whole video. Not sure if it's just a fluke or what. But this definitely doesn't look good for them.
I'm SO glad you did a piece on this. I've been struggling with the idea of buying boards online and had no point of reference whatsoever. I recognize four of the retailers you reviewed and I can honestly say, I would have to be in dire need before I tried to make use of the "convenience" of buying boards online from them. Thank you.
Great information. Very helpful. Thank you!
Nice of you to take the time and everything to go through this process and educate us on the experience.
Hey, baird Brothers is my local place. Great people
I know you won't want to hear this, but I have had several great experiences ordering cherry, walnut, and mahogany online from... Home Depot. And they allowed me to order 8 foot lengths.
Really? Didn't know one could do that. And the prices were reasonable?
Crossing my fingers on a delivery I have coming today from HD. It’s only a bunch of 2x8 ground treated deck board, so I figured it wouldn’t matter much anyway, but it was really my only option right now
This was great information. Anyone who has a limited number of tools, owns a small vehicle, and the nearest quality wood supplier is 200 miles from home has few options. I will pay for wood that is good out of the box. Thanks.
I moved from an area where I had 3 local sources within 20 min of my shop to the backside of bumble fu*k nowhere so I'm forced to buy online now which has pretty much priced me out of working for miney. I've used WWSource several times and the last two orders were absolute firewood. Purchased walnut that netted out to about $20bf and waited like 10 days to get bowed, warped, cupped lumber. I'm not sure I can use them again. I don't have time for them to make it right and im sure they would but I can't have projects jamming up the shop for so long. Looking forward to trying other options. Thanks
Thanks for the video, very comprehensive and although there are a few other factors to take into account, it seems about as fair as it gets.
The only note I would make, the lumber you got from your local lumber shop was probably not S4S at ~$7.50/bf. If it is, then we’re definitely all missing out. Then again I’m in Canada, so prices are different but that seems really cheap for S4S white oak.
Also. Look for lumber yards that are “local” but may be an hour or two away. They may have really good shipping rates for being within a certain distance. I have one here in Dallas that does free next day delivery on orders over $400 within 75 miles. So you might be able to find some savings that way.
That's a good tip!
Which yard is that? I am in DFW area.
This was informative. Should do local suppliers test the same, including homedepot. Mainly because my HD has better wood than my local supplier, so I think ppl are against them just to "stick it to the man", lol.
Thanks for the info and the work you have done for us, this is always a guess. Thanks for the channel and great content, I always look forward to hearing from you. I was an Oregonian back I think 70's still have a lot of good memories. Thanks again. Mg
One factor you didn’t think to rate is actually their return policies. That’s probably one of the most important factors when using online retailers.
And to be fair to some of these online stores, it sounds like the usability might be a bit higher than a local retailer if they’re sending you milled boards. I mean it would probably save them more on shipping.
For me personally, I think you over-weighted delivery time and under-weighted price. You can plan to buy early but material cost can make or break a project. For me at least. I think the price should match the quality.
Oh and now that I think about it, what’s the distance of all these retailers from the delivery address?
Are the most expensive ones the furthest away leading to a higher cost?
who's this stranger?
That's what happens when you run out of hair on the arms to check your chisels with...
@@jaafarmejri3361 😂💀
It's his intern stunt double. You think Jason is going to risk his personal safety doing all those "over the work bench" rolls himself?!
The foreman would have his hide for that!
I've ordered from Woodworker's Source several times and have been happy with my orders. The prices came in cheaper than my closest hardwood store (about 1.5 - 2 hours away). The people at the local store are also rude, both in person and on the phone. I would love to shop local, just don't want to give my money to them.
Hi Jason, thanks for a great review!
Baird brother is right around me and their wood quality is unbelievable and relatively affordable if you pickup in person. Shipping the wood is brutal on the price!
It also varies by how far you live from the mill. Jason would pay a lot more for the same wood shipped from Maine than from Washington state.
Great timing. My buddy and I were just talking about ordering some wood. Canadian viewers have to remember the 30% for exchange and getting hosed on import fees as well. Local always wins. But! If you don't have a local hardwood place, start searching. Odds are you're not that far from one. Maybe it's a couple hrs drive, it's still going to work out cheaper especially considering you're going to be able to choose your wood and check the moisture
Except the two hours drive is at least a four hour trip. That ends up being a whole day just to buy wood. With the cost of gas, that is like the shipping cost of ordering online.
Justin Trudeau is a fig!
@@ChrisStCyr-gnt7 Except for the fact you get to pick out exactly what you need/want. So there's still value in doing that. Plus if you plan accordingly, you can get a few projects worth and save even more. When you order more online, you pay more shipping. I'm fortunate to have a fair number of options closer than 1 hour drive.
@@souprmage you points are all valid and are trade offs. The next step in that logic is by giving up a day to travel to the lumber yard you save by not having to return sub-par wood.
It’s like choosing to buy a $5 flea market find over a hundreds of dollars tool new, well the opposite in wood though. There are always trade offs in time for money.
The nearest retail woods yards I know of near me are at least 1:10 away. I do know a couple of guys with band saw mills more locally.
Awesome video! Keep up the good work Jason
Definitely, most useful/informative video from this great channel
Moral of the story, don’t buy wood online. It seems to expensive and takes forever to receive and if there is a issue with the wood takes more time and frustration. Find a good local lumber yard and get to know them. In my opinion 😎
Since i live in a city with a really good hardwood dealer, i wouldn't order online. And we have a couple of "ok" sources.
But if i had to drive over 100 miles i would think twice. But ¢20+ for a board, i guess id drive 200 miles.
Im within free delivery for Baird Brothers, In Ohio. I imagine shipping across country affected the price a lot. The wood I get from them is always higher quality and cheaper then the local bib box stores.
big box stores here in Colorado only sell red oak .and some walnut. they sell white oak there?
Ohio doesn’t have a local hardwood dealer? We have a lot of them next door in Indiana.
Not white oak but we do have on that has a lot of options.
Baird Brothers probably is my preferred dealer, they are a saw mill and hard wood supplier. I can go and pick out slabs but if Im getting surfaced boards or hardwood ply having there truck deliver and unload for free is great.
Great to see Baird Brothers on here. They’re my local so I can skip the shipping.
Thanks for doing this. Much appreciated!
You should have tried Bell Forrest ive had great luck with them
Yup they are in my back yard and one of the best in my opinion
Are we all supposed to just sit here and ignore the fact that you shaved your beard and didn’t address it!
I can agree. Baird brothers worked well for me. I purchased hickory for a project and one of the boards had an issue. Without hesitation they addressed my concern and sent me a replacement. I'd say they stand by their product and present the best quality possible.
I was just thinking the other day how I should research online suppliers. Thanks for the video!
Baird Bros is just 25 minutes from me. I've gotten lumber from them, had them make me a big cherry board for a floating computer desk, and they've even cut a butcher block counter for me that way it butted in the center perfectly.
Little spendy, but they're great people and have never had the slightest issue with them.
Who is this guy and what did he do to Jason???
just wait till he takes his cap off next.
I really liked this! Good breakdown, I'd have to travel far to get to a hardwood store around me, so this is useful!
That was pretty dang useful info. I appreciate the video.
You look like you need a Pale Ale now…
Hipster Moth woodworking…
Who is this guy?
Great video! It helped me understand what to look for when buying wood.
Great video Jason. I’ve been looking for someone to do one of these. Where I live, I only have big box, online or Facebook marketplace with home lumber mills. This gives me another good choice.
I really like that mustache! 👌🏽
New guy in the shop?
I’ve ordered boards from woodcraft online and they were exceptional
Two things I would have liked to be included is:
1. The packaging. Was there enough protection against the box being dropped or twisted during sipping? What about cushioning and stiffeners?
2. Customer Service. If you contacted the seller via website, email, or phone, how hard was it to get problems sorted out?
Grow back the beard IMMEDIATELY!!!
Very good and reasonably thorough study! Thanks!
Great info and comparison. It really shows that some companies have real quality control and some will just grab out of a bin, box and ship whatever they have on-hand.
I'm lucky to have several decent yards that also carry finish grade lumber, both milled & rough, and have a policy of discounting subpar pieces that are still salvageable.
I like the new look.
I have used Advantage Lumber, mainly east coast except Santa Fe, CA. I have ordered lumber as long as 12" to 13" no problems. The quality was great, and shipping was no longer then 10 days from the plant in Fla to PA. Ron USCG RET
Ha, seeing their name reminded me how well they treated me in the past. They sent me free samples the first time I considered ordering from them.
Thanks for the excellent informational video!
Baird Brothers is by far the highest quality wood I've found. They also practice sustainability and burn their sawdust to power their kilns. Their sales team is incredible. Eric Hiner is a pleasure to work with. I HIGHLY recommend.
We love Hiner! ❤
I live near Cleveland and have been looking for a more reasonable priced source of hardwood than Home Depot or Menards. I've considered Yoder Lumber near Millersburg but that's an hour and a half away. About the same distance away as Baird Bros.
We need a follow up video on what happened with the products that presented problems. Replacement wood... switcheroo for the stuff that wasn't long enough? That would be a second and critical half of the story.
I get my wood from Winwood Sawmill. Small place and open by appoitnment but they have a huge selection and always willing to help find what I need.
That trim needed an introduction ❤. Looking good 🎉🎉
Baird Brothers is one of the top places to purchase from here in NE Ohio. I’m shocked they even ship that far because they really pride themselves. And don’t get me wrong that cool that they will ship all over but it’s just surprising that they do. They’re friends of my wife’s family. Could not recommend them enough.
I will say in the beginning of my amateur woodworking, the local lumber stores intimidated me with dealing with the board feet and varying options. Not all of them allow you into the wood area and some do not offer S4S. However, I took the leap and learned. Most of the time they are very helpful. Always best to go during the day on a weekday when they are slower and can spend more time with you and your needs. I wanted to some specific length and width walnut and they brought the stack to the loading area and let me choose what I wanted.
Great video. Thanks for doing this.
Jason, I love the review & your new springtime beard is cool!
Thanks for this video. I've never seen anyone test different online sources before. I've contemplated ordering online a few times, but I've always ended up going with my local shops. I may consider online for the hard to find species though.
This was super helpful! Thanks!
I have a part time gig at Home Depot (in hardware) and its a great store for many things. Yes, they are not the best in store lumber yard (in my opinion). Love your comparisons.
Great analysis! That took quite a bit of time!
I have been driving the hour and a half to Dallas for lumber mainly because i don't trust the online lumber quality , you pretty much nailed it on this video .
That's interesting. The Tropical Walnut I got from Woodworkers Source was awesome. It was perfectly milled. I didn't have to do anything to it before I used it to make a cutting board. Plus, I got more than I ordered.
Great idea for a video and really nice execution 🎉
Love the mustasch!!!
Been using Baird Brothers and for the most part am happy with them, nice review that confirms my choice
I wish you came out with this video a week ago! I just ordered some purple heart from Woodworkers Source. It’s a 3 hour drive each way to my usual hardwood supplier so I took a shot ordering from them. Side note: I ordered from Kencraft a couple of years ago. I took a while for the wood to arrive, but it was nice quality.
Baird also sells rough lumber, for those of us who like to DIY that. And almost 1/4 the bf price for some of them vs. the S4S!
Great video.. couldn't tell my wife about your red oak comment. We are old, but she loves her red oak.
Thanks for sharing........................
I appreciate this video as I don't have a single hardwood supplier within two hours of me, and the one two hours away is only open during my work hours, so knowing what the good options are for ordering wood online is nice to know.