Charlie's Porsche Cayman 987.1 Base
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- čas přidán 11. 03. 2020
- Join us in this video where we drive Charlie's Porsche Cayman 987.1 Base. It may be at the cheaper end of the used car market, but that doesn't mean you get any less thrills. The best value for money Cayman?
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3 yrs now owning my 2008 987.1 ,5 speed manual base cayman. With the Carnewall GT exhaust it revs like a GT3. best car ive had and will not sell it. Will drive it till i or the car dies.
The best Cayman is the one who you can effort......Base is just fine.
Best Porsche videos on CZcams. Real owners and their cars talking about the cars that most people can afford and enjoy.
Better to live an honest and real life, than always be trying to be someone else. Plus it’s pretty easy to spot fake people as you get older...
Great car, great owner, lovely interview. I’ve had both a 987.2 & a 981. Now, I’m the owner of a 2017 718 base & it is spec’d with more options than most the S models I’ve come across. It has Sports Chrono, Sports Exhaust, upgraded Sport + seats & lots of other goodies. You just have to look, but base cars with lots of options are definitely out there. There really isn’t any bad model Cayman. Also, none of them are underpowered, it’s the nut behind the wheel that can make all of them go fast. I bought mine as a daily & I drive it every day. Some of my friends can’t believe I drive it all the time, but it’s such a great car that I ask them, “why would you not drive it all the time?”
Great to watch a measured, intelligent, genuine discussion about the merits of the 2.7 vs 3.4. Just what I wanted to see.
In my opinion, the whole idea of devaluing a Porsche because it’s driven is ridiculous. I’ve had Porsches as my daily drivers (base models) for the last 40+ years and they are meant to be driven. If I want art for arts sake, I’d by a Chagall and hang it on the wall. But, though I still look longingly at my Porsche in the garage, the real joy is starting it up and getting out for a drive every single day. Nice video review!
Max...great content. A variety of real life and real dreams!! Still looking for my 981 GTS
I had my first Porsche 987.1 2.7 5 speed manual , fantastic car , totally put it through its paces , lots of drive outs with friends in there 911s wales road trips 2 European road trips , Monte Carlo , Swiss alps , German autobahns , Silverstone track day , totally put the car through it’s paces , believe me I ringed the snot out of it had 75000 miles on it when I bought it and 110000miles when sold it none of this worrying about putting mileage on it just got out and drove the thing like a Porsche should be not sitting under a dust sheet , had a second gear synchro go , a couple of broken springs , discs a few sets of pads , window regulators love breaking but the engine never missed a beat in amazed it never blew up god it took some abuse , when your friends are in front you have to give it everything that’s part of the excitement. At the end of the day it’s all in the bends , it came alive on the right roads , I miss it some times even though I have a 987.2 3.4 pdk now , funny last summer a mate of mine wanted me to test his 986 2.7 manual boxster it surprised me just how good it was still a bloody good fun car that if you want to get on the ladder and you can pick one up for around 4K ...
Great comments, thank-you for sharing! Just a small typo on the mileage when you collected the car ;-)
MAX REVS Yes well spotted :-) keep up the good work
What a good bloke! Good video max as always, keeping it real!
ECO mode at 7:55 - turns the air conditioning compressor on/off but allows air to continue to flow in. Another wonderful down to earth pure enjoyment video Max! 👍🏻🏆
Thanks for that, never seen that button before. Labelled AC ON/OFF in my car ;-)
As a Cayman 987 base owner. All Cayman owners always give me the obligatory wave! Regardless off the model! Love the car. Could have bought the s model, but couldn't afford to run it. Great review guys
Smart man. Most bang for the buck period!
No way you can argue against that!
Just a great vid. I have a 987 Boxster, just a great driving car!
Nice guy, nice car and nice video. From one 2.7 Gen 1 owner to another. Real drivers car. Cayman R is the one for me too!
Charlie ! Your a lucky man it's the best car ever made And it doesn't cost a fortune
Brilliant video. I’m an owner of a 987.1 base but I’m upgrading to the 987.2S as it’s pushing an extra 100BHP.
Thanks and good luck with the sport model. Not that many around for sale.
This video is causing 987.1 base prices to skyrocket!
Hahahaha!!
Great point I started owning a 987 Cayman to 981 Cayman S and finally to 991.1 911 Turbo. All of them have diffrent driving dynamics but they are all fun to drive.
Nice to see someone who gets the message, especially one who has progressed upwards through the models. Can’t deny the punch in a 911 turbo, though that doesn’t mean you can’t enjoy a base Cayman.
Nicely modded Cayman that. Exactly how I'd do my Cayman when I hopefully in the market for one. Turbo style alloys and led spar lights. Looking more at the 2.7 for the reliability aspect plus cheaper to run on road tax and little in fuel. Sounds stupid mentioning running costs but something I'm looking at for saving more of my savings
Chris Harris from Top Gear used to write for GT Purely Porsche and his opinions are massively respected by the motoring world. At the time of writing for the magazine his previous long termer was a 993 GT2 followed with a short stint in a 996 TT. His purchase of the 2.7 base Cayman back then was considered pretty significant, as the 2.7 model was largely over shadowed by the more powerful and popular "S" model. Access some of the press clippings from this website: www.arthurlea.com/Porsche/Harris/Harris.htm
Thank you so much for the link. The owner of the 987.1 featured in this video will get a kick out of reading this ;-)
@@MAXREVS You're welcome. Keep up the awesome work, Max.
Thanks for link! Was gonna google that! Chris H is God of all things sideways.
Top content as ever 👍
Thanks Phill. Julian has suggested the 987.1 will hit £5k. Would you rather have your 718 GT4 or 20 x 987.1 Base Caymans?
@@MAXREVS well at Swiss prices I'd get 30 of them 🤣🤣🤣
I’m looking in to buying a cayman end of this year. Thanks for the video. I have TTS just now but trading it in
The best Cayman is the one you can afford.
Fair points and I’d even add the 2nd gen 2.9’s are even better value still with NONE of the afflictions. Stupidly rare too.
Good one, two content guys loving their Porsches, nice to see. Think the reverse gear is a difference between the 6 and 5 speed, not the gen 1 and 2. I have a gen 1 Cayman S with the same gear configuration as your gen 2 S. Cheers
Thanks for clarifying, as I said in the video, usually I have the oldest car, but not this time. Still, they're both Caymans and they're both great!! We left two happy chaps.
great vid as usual
I've just bought a 2006 987 base and find the brakes quite spongy
Thank-you sir!
Regarding the brakes, I noticed that in Charlie’s car coming from the 987.2 CS. Maybe fixable with new / different pads?
I have a gen 1 cayman 2.7 my everyday car and I drive it hard. A great sports car for a great price. Going to Belgium on Monday to Gert at carnewal to fit a GT EXHAUST so watch this space
You'll love the Carnewall GT exhaust!
@Jason Fitzpatrick, did you get the exhaust fitted? It would be interesting to see you car on this channel! @Max
1530swimmer yes went over to see Gert last day before lockdown makes a massive difference sounds amazing especially 4000 onwards to red line also sound great on tickover Gert in Belgium certainly knows his stuff
@@jasonfitzpatrick4061 It would be awesome to see your car featured on @max's channel!
That 6th gear option cost an extra 300 in road tax !
Recently just brought a base Cayman 987.1 and considered the same options as mentioned in your vid. And the truth is there is more than enough power for the uk roads. Also I know if I had gone for the options, I’d always be saying what if I got the Porsche Cayman, but I’ll never say what if I got the Audi TT, Mercedes convertible or Audi S3. Feel 100% I made the right choice and paid £10k less than my other options although much older it feels,looks and drives like a 5 year old car not a 12 year old car. It would be nice to content about modifications are they worth the money eg £400 for rear led lights or better to keep the money in case of in expected repairs this is my dilemma
Saying that i did just refurbish the steering wheel and gear knob with Alcantara and again feel it 100% choice. Finally like your vid been watching for the past month or so, great work and always look forward to the next one
Congratulations on your purchase. You never forget your first Cayman!! I'm still on my first one, and loving it. If you're fairly new here, check out the previous videos. We have a massive Cayman playlist on this channel. Enjoy!
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I have gone through the past videos. I suspect we are not far away from each as you mentioned brook lands Porsche is near as it is for me. So if you ever want see my Cayman and have a discussion more than happy to meet up
Ah excellent👍🏼 In that case we gotta feature you and your car!! If you’re up for that the email is maxrevscars@gmail.com
Great video guys. My original 987.2 was manual and the clutch pedal felt very very heavy. Got it from Porsche with warranty and the cable went a year or so into owning it but it took me a while to enjoy changing gear. Is it just a gen2 thing? Rifle bolt feeling but heavy pedal
I can’t say what is normal. The clutch pedal should be fairly stiff to depress. That’s what my car is like. Charlie’s pedal was a hot knife through butter!
The 987.1 Cayman S were fitted with upgraded ims bearings from production day 1, so not sure where the 5% issue with ims bearing myth has come from (probably confusion with 911 996 and Boxter 986 forum chat).
The difference in power delivery between the 987.1 base (245bhp) and the 987.1 S (295bhp) is also significant and noticeable when you stab the throttle.
I didn’t know this. Both 987.1 base and sport got the upgraded IMS?! Nice👍🏼
Was all too much for me 3 years ago, being power hungry I went for the 987.2 CS
MAX REVS I think the confusion comes from Porsche not ceasing production of the weaker ims bearing until 2005. Leading some to assumed/speculate that the 987.1 S’s were fitted with it. It’s impossible for any Cayman S built after 2005 to have the weaker ims bearing as Porsche had stopped manufacturing it.
Good choice on buying the S 😉 All Caymans are awesome, but that extra power you get on the S just makes the car even better 😁
Thanks for sharing your knowledge here
Thanks for sharing this information about the upgraded IMS in all 987.1's. I’ve been avoiding looking at 987.1S models as I was informed by a local specialist that not all 987.1 S had the upgraded IMS...
Roland Rohrle - I think that assumption comes from when the weaker ims bearing was discontinued by Porsche (2005), which led a few people to believe that a few of the early 987.1S’s (made in 2005) were fitted with the weaker ims bearing. I guess it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that a few of the early Caymans may have been fitted with the weaker bearing and changed after a year or so, but is Porsche the kind of company to make a new model out of spare parts that have proven issues with previous models manufactured 10 years prior (986 and 996)? I’ve owned two 987.1 S’s - a 2006 and a 2007 and both had the stronger ims bearing fitted (can be checked when you change the clutch). Also, the 20+ people I’ve known who have owned early Cayman S’s have never had an issue with the ims bearing on their cars. Honestly, I think it’s a myth perpetuated because of the problems with the 986 & 996 models that came before it.
My clutch on my 987.2 base is not soft or hard. I never really noticed any odd feeling.
Sorry but I'd take a 6 speed anyday.. Closer gear ratios! I like the extra character the gen 1 engine has but i love my 2.9 gen 2. Enjoy your cars, personally I love them all, I'd start a Cayman collection if I could.
No need to apologise. This should be a safe place to express your own opinions without hate from others👍🏼
I think the gen 2 base has the gen 1 s brakes and the gen 2 S has 911 Carrera front brakes.. The base 2.7 gen 1 might have vw golf front brakes (joking) .. Not sure
MagicAyrtonforever The 2.7 brakes are actually petty bloody good , 299 discs rear 298 front discs , the S 3.4 models use same rear bembo callipers only in red and the fronts are larger callipers with 318 front discs , the 996 3.4 and 997 base models do use the same 318 discs and callipers , you can convert to the larger 330 callipers and discs from the 997 3.8 s , that’s a great thing about the 987 lots of 997 parts are interchangeable..
Porsche did add more sound proof to the 987.2. The 987.1 just seems loud if once you realize how quiet new ones are
I believe they also improved the ride as well
I have a 987.2 base and it was too quiet. I just added the Carnewal GT mod and it’s barely louder. I hate loud exhausts and drone, but this is just way too quiet. The OEM base suspension is really smooth on nice roads, but once the road gets a bit rough, the ride is terrible.
Hason Lavajunk The 987.1 models have cats on the front headers and in the rear back boxes , where as the 987.2 s have the cats in the front headers there are no cats in the rear even though the rear back boxes on gen 1 and 2 look the same , A good mode for the 2.7 and 3.4 gen 1 is to remove the rear secondary cats it passes mot , you need to replace the headers to 200 cell on the 987.2 “more power more sound “ I’m pretty sure the 987.2 headers have 2 sets of cats in each where as the upgraded headers have a single set of 200 cell ones ,has your cayman got PASM suspension ? My 987.2 3.4 is like you said fantastic on the smooth but on bumpy back roads it doesn’t like it I know exactly what you are saying , strange but my 2.7 with standard shocks was a lot better . I’ve been looking into a DSC sport controller for the the PASM it’s a plug in controller that apparently completely changes the feel and damping factor ...
Got a 2.7 for the same reasons. I drive mine hard as Porsche intended and the brakes are small for track it really fast road driving. Fitted Brembo HP2000 pads which improve bite considerably. If you have driven other Porsche’s (big reds or later GT3s) the brakes don’t stand up to the usual Porsche excellence. Other than that it’s great little pure driving experience. Mines Rare GT silver 😉
Nice!! If you’re UK based and down South East somewhere, would be great if we could get you and your car on this channel. Email maxrevscars@gmail.com if interested👍🏼
MAX REVS thanks. I’m south west. If ever your way... or if you fancy a drive up over exmoor toward the north Devon coast let me know 😉
Matt Jones Thanks, been meaning to do the Exmoor national park drive this year👍🏼
MAX REVS let me know when you planning a trip and if I’m free I can show you the exmoor (Evo) triangle 😉 and some amazing roads.
Hi, any chance you can email me a quick hello at maxrevscars@gmail.com? That way, when the time comes, I won’t have to try and find this comment thread. I’m a bit old-school... email is easier for me to search ;-)
a bit stiff for normal driving, but for sportive driving, the manual 5th gear, the hydraulic steering as well as the balanced suspension make my base cayman a very exciting sports car. I don't miss any of the electronic gadgets available nowdays. My150 Euro Huawei-Smartphone does it better.
Great video. I disagree (there’s a surprise 🤪) that the price won’t dip any lower. It will, significantly so. They’ll hit £5k then begin to rise again in 20years.
Your not going to notice a 40kg difference unless you are doing bank heists.
Coronavirus certainly has not done residuals any favours. High mileage, poorly maintained examples will certainly depreciate faster but they are a false economy anyway. I'd be surprised if they go to as low as 5k.
@@1530swimmer Speaking of coronavirus, this video was published earlier than planned, as I figured we could all do with some uplifting of our spirits. I don't see £5k Caymans happening...
@@MAXREVS Insurance write offs, abused examples, maybe.... Worth more in parts!
1530swimmer how does the virus affect residuals? I can understand why people aren’t jumping on planes nor going to bowling alleys etc, but why the residuals impact on used cars?
MAX REVS caymans with circa 90k+ miles are sub £10k. A recent search confirms this and that they appear to be in great condition. Let’s fast forward 5, maybe 10 years, when they have 200K+ miles on them, there is no way they are staying at £10k. They’ll be half that. Then in 20 years time they’ll be seen as a classic and prices will rise when the loss of this generation get to the age of it being a nostalgic car of their youth. That’s how it goes.
I wasn't aware that Gus Fring was a car reviewer....
Porsche Cayman 987.1 base 2.7 l and 245 hp has no bore and IMS issues at all none the base Cayman has the better sound as the Cayman S the build quality of the first Caymans are higher then the new ones 981 and the 718 the Caymans build in Finland where the best which means the 987.1.2 I know somebody who has a base cayman 2008 with 200.000 miles and first engine with no issues at all the Cayman is the best car Porsche has ever made not the 911 sorry but it’s true mid engine is the deal my friends !
@Savariaxa That is crazy, 200,000 miles in a base! It would be interesting to see this car featured on the channel, @max!