The Way It’s Meant To Be Named! 4090 Laptop = 4080 Desktop?
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RTX 4080 Desktop vs RTX 4090 Laptop Timestamps:
0:00 Why 4080 Desktop & 4090 Laptop The Same?
0:18 GPU Spec Differences
0:41 Size Difference
1:07 Power Scaling
1:34 Laptop Test System
2:00 Desktop Test System
2:20 Differences Between My Laptop & Desktop
2:36 Power Draw
2:54 Temperatures
3:04 Clock Speeds
3:13 Performance Per Watt (Efficiency)
3:28 Cyberpunk 2077
3:56 Cyberpunk 2077 + RT, DLSS & Frame Generation
4:16 Microsoft Flight Simulator
4:25 Microsoft Flight Simulator + DLSS & Frame Generation
4:34 The Smallest Difference! Assassin’s Creed Valhalla
4:47 Weird 1% Lows - Dead Space
5:06 DOOM Eternal
5:14 Forza Horizon 5
5:25 Rainbow Six Extraction
5:35 Red Dead Redemption 2
5:51 A Plague Tale: Requiem
6:00 A Plague Tale: Requiem + DLSS & Frame Generation
6:08 14 More Games Compared!
6:42 23 Game Average Difference at 1080p
7:00 23 Game Average Difference at 1440p
7:12 23 Game Average Difference at 4K
7:30 4080 Laptop vs 4080 Desktop - Bigger Gap
7:43 23 Game Average
7:55 Content Creation (Blender, V-Ray, DaVinci Resolve)
8:20 Price Difference & Sales
9:47 Cost Per Frame (Value)
10:17 Which Should You Pick?
10:44 Misleading Names?
11:33 More Laptop vs Desktop GPU Comparisons!
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Check out more laptop vs desktop comparisons next!
RTX 4090 Laptop vs 4090 Desktop: czcams.com/video/x0ljEqAb-TM/video.html
RTX 4080 Laptop vs 4080 Desktop: czcams.com/video/MFOf8gQRScU/video.html
have you done a 4080 laptop vs 3080 laptop gpu yet ?
@@daniels5607 No, I probably won't do any 3070 or 3080 laptop comparisons as I consider them to be 2 generations old, the ones I have are paired with 11th gen CPUs and even harder to fairly compare.
@@JarrodsTech Ah well I can understand just makes it bit more of pain due to me owning a 3080 laptop but i still feel that next gen may be a better upgrade hopeing for lower costs and i feel i will double my prfomance. THank you for the video you where a massive help when choseing my laptop.
thanks.
4090 name = an extra $600 on the price tag. What a scam NV
@@JarrodsTech Please compare scar 16 4080 with scar 18 4090 thanks.
Finally a heads up challenge between mobile 4090 and desktop 4080. I've searched CZcams for this exact thing and not been able to find it. Thank you Jarrod 🙂
Jarrod to the rescue without biting into the marketing material, and actually testing similar GPUs, regardless of what they want to tell us with the naming. Same goes for 4070 vs 3060!
@@AlexandreG Yes, he threads the line very well. I was a bit worried in his initial 40 series coverage for calling the 4090 laptops just that and not mentioning the die difference but I had faith in his integrity to bring it up at some point
@HanmaHeiro I also left a comment on that video about that because I know he reads many comments, he probably did not see it, but still came through for us, as expected from Jarrod
Nvidia would never try to mislead, please. How you dare! The name totally help us to not get confused.
Exactly Nvidia rulezzzz AMD is a suxxx. Yuckkkk AMD
Wait.. do you know last year 3060 desktop slightly similiar with 3060 laptop.
@@earthsekarang8159 yeah , 🌚
@@earthsekarang8159 Except with half the vram, probably because the 3060 laptop was a cut down 3060 ti instead of a cut down 3060
@@earthsekarang8159 so are the others from the 30 series. Last year was not the problem, guy is being ironic about this year. Because this kind of marketing bamboozling isn't any less sketchy just because they have been describing GPUs properly in previous years, that should be the norm, not something to praise NVIDIA about
Essentially the 4090 laptop probably performs on par with the 4070/ or 4070ti. I'd actually like to see that comparison if you get one on hand soon :)
Benchmarks online suggest desktop 4070ti is 10% faster, but I hope Jarrod tests this in real life performance and gaming fps+
Its a 3090 desktop basically
Completely agree. I'd love to know which desktop GPU the laptop 4090 most closely matches, it'd make conversations with my desktop-owning friends much easier!
@asd it depends. I've seen it faster on 1080p but perform on par and even slightly eek out the 4070ti on 1440p and 4k. Im assuming that's because the 4090m has 4gb more of vram. I think of the 4090m as a 16gb 4070ti
@@ericryang1757 more like 3090 ti
Thanks Jarrod for doing this community requested video. Happy Easter 🐣
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Thank you for doing this comparison Jarrod. This is what everyone wanted to see. You're the best laptop reviewer.
If they had called this the mobile 4080 I would be alot more impressed with it. There isn't any need to mislead with naming. It's a very fast laptop. I'd be curious to see how a 3080 Ti desktop stacks up. I wouldn't be surprised if the laptop was faster.
People fall for the naming scheme, that is why they do it.
Yeah it's faster
@@-opus yeah I know. As sad as that is. I wish they weren't aloud to do that.
does it really make a difference? The price would be the same.
No no no, let this guy cook
The performance is pretty much equivalent to the 4070ti.
Id say its between 4070Ti and 4080.
Hmm, doing a comparison with some E-Cores disabled sounds like an interesting idea Jarrod. Keep up the good work man!
yep atleast whit 12-8 e cores disabled 4 cores for background will be enough
Gizmo's review of the HP 17.3 with the 13700 did perform (in games) better than different brands with the 13900. I think you may be right those extra cores arent helping at such low power.
hi, I'm wondering between Alienware x15 r1 and Legion 5i pro 2022 when they both use rtx 3070. Can you compare these 2 machines because in my opinion they are quite similar.
Would have been nice to see power scaling on the 4080 as well instead of just the 4090M. The power target on the Suprim X is adjustable down to 150W.
I hope you continue these Desktop vs Laptop GPU comparisons once the lower end cards are out. It seems like there won't be a gap in the 60 & 50 classes this year (at least in terms of leaked paper specs). Great video (series) and keep 'em coming 👍👍
Thank you once again for continuing to test with MSFS 2020.
Hey Jarrod have been a subscriber for a long time ⏲️ ⏳️. In scar 16 mini LED model I am seeing that while scrolling through youtube home page the screen brightness in the blank grey area goes up and down according to the scrolling rate. This is not present in single zone mode and only present in the multi zone mode. Is it normal or I am having a display issue? Please reply
I've had gaming laptops for 15 years. really loved me 2080 GE75.
this week for the first time I've built a 4070 ti PC, because the equivalent 4090 GE78 costs double!
Thank you so much for doing this video! Keep up the great work 💪🏻💯
Thanks Jarrod, been waiting for this
Hey Jarrod, nice video. Ethereal Darkness sounded pretty nice, have you given Year of no Light and Mare Cognitum a listen? they both deserve some tshirts ^^.
As far as laptops, i have had a hard time picking anything up given the current landscape. At this point in time, would you personally go with getting a top of the line laptop for around 2600-2900 USD or wait untill computex and another 3 months of announcements? I am in no rush but my laptop feels old and i would like to acquire a machine that can serve me well for the next 6-7 years.
Yes. Please make a video on disabling e-cores on 13th gen Intel laptop CPU and see if it affects gaming performance and wattage consumption.
Again very good review, thanks for the good job) last year I've chosen my new laptop regarding your reviews, and last year still it was advantegous to have a gaming laptop as desktop graphics cards were not easy to find. And now availability changed and it is time to go back to desktop
i would love to see RGB lighting in your background to improve videos performance !!!!
Thanks! I was looking for this comparison.
Is the ASUS rog scar 18 with the 4090 mobile worth it? Or should I wait for the next gen 5000 series, and maybe we can expect actual 4090 performance in the future from the laptops
Hey jarrod I have a question regarding ssd upgrades in a laptop
so i want to buy a new laptop around 1000$ so what better for me 3060 or 4050 ? for 1080 gaming
Hey Jarrod, I really enjoy your content! So, I have a question: Are you planning to do a comparison of the 4090 vs. 4080 vs. 4070 vs. 4060 on the XMG NEO 16 platform ? Also, will there be a bigger NEO 16 Review coming any time soon ? Thanks (:
I'd love if you make a 4070 Ti desktop vs 4090 laptop next!
You are by far the best laptop reviewer/tester!
Not worth it, just search 4070Ti vs 4080 and compare
kinda curious about this as well. according to userbenchmark, the desktop 4070 ti is 10% faster
@@aoimichirukun but then I'd have to keep switching tabs to compare, and the games tested won't necessarily be the same.
Jarrod has already done half the work, he'd just have to test the 4070 Ti.
Userbenchmark is absolutely awful and biased beyond belief. Be very wary of anything that website says. Plenty of youtubers have discredited them
@@I_Do_Poor_Ppl_Stuffwdym
Thanks for your efforts. Always pays to be useful for me!
I was waiting for this one! Finally
Very insightful. I'm debating either a laptop or a desktop which the latter could be cheaper in terms of performance. Can you recommend how I can build the cheapest PC with a RTX 4080 GPU?
Hey jarrod , I have a question if you could please answer. I have a lenovo legion 5 , gtx 1650 Ti , with AMD Ryzen 5 4600H , if my laptop is fully charged and I want to play a game and i plug in the power for performance mode, will it cause damage to my battery since its already charged and I am pluggin in the power. Thanks in advance , and ive been around the channel since you had 50k subs , way to go dude !!
Scar 16 4090 at $3700 really closes the price gap with the Desktop I think and still maintains pretty close performance to the Titan. I wonder what the price delta between the two systems would be if the desktop includes a mini-led monitor like some 4090 laptops do?
great content! curious if maybe down the line you could add in some a.i. stuff such as stable diffusion. Might be cool to see? Or maybe just a section on it when you do the vram/memory vid? I have a ton more interest in creative ai stuff now that chatgpt can help me code and even interface with different ai (hugginggpt). I'm sure others out there would be interested as well. I know it is way different content tho.
I admit I do not know much about that, are there any standard benchmarks for it that you can point me to?
It's funny how efficient you can push these "big" gpus to be. Like if you reduce the clockspeed a bit on the 4090m, and pair it with a ryzen pheonix CPU it will be a hell of an efficient gaming laptop at 1440p ultra settings.
Judt wondering but will you do a rview o th legion slimmm 5i?
Hi Jarrod. Are you expecting Clevo X370 barebone based laptops in review? For example from XMG.
Also, which laptop with 4090 is the most quiet in your opinion? Maybe with custom fan curves if the laptop still would be capable for spreading 175W TGP.
Also would love to see in your part of software review check is laptop allows you costomize fan speed at any current components temperatures. MSI gt77 for example allows to control fans only with temps below 80 degrees :(
Get a laptop that is compatible with a water cooler. You'll be amazed!
nice test, thx^^
Hey, can you do a review of the Aorus 17X with the 4090 pls ?
1:04
My brain also does this sometimes randomly. Stupid thoughts😂
TY I always wanted to know how the laptop compare with the desktop, esp the die type info.
It would be nice to see comparison of RTX 4070 with laptop 4090..... maybe performance would be closer
Hey Jarrod, I have bought a Lenovo legion 5 one year ago. Came with 16 gigs of ram and now I want to upgrade it. Will you be able to answer if I can upgrade it to 32gb? Could you try it as you also have same AMD version, just different GPU. My model Legion 5-15ACH6 Laptop (Lenovo) - Type 82JW
You should be able to do it with my upgrade guide. It's from the previous year but should be fine to follow: czcams.com/video/RoIQqTFFL-M/video.html
Everyone seems to be surprised the Ohm's Law still prevails in electronics.
can you review asus tuf gaming a15 ryzen 7 7735 and rtx4050?
These prices are out of hand, guys the situation is terrific 😳😣
should we even get 40 series or just better with 3080ti
Hey Jarrod, could you please do a Legion 5i Pro 2023 review? I haven’t seen much coverage on CZcams and am wondering how it compares to the 7i Pro and last years 5i pro. Thank you!
That should be up next week
Damnit Jarrod, don't you know I'm trying to go to sleep?
Jarrod'sTech Красава . Твои обзоры и тесты самые объективные и точные.
Could you do a 4060 be 4070 performance comparison please? Would be amazing!!!
Do you think Nvidia will release mobile rtx 4070 TI just like 3070 TI?
love your video. i hope you would always be this honest.
Great video Jarrod
Thnx!
I plan to use this laptop for 4K gaming not 2K at 4K it's pretty close to the 4080 desktop version which is pretty amazing
2k? You mean 1440P.
1:05. All you need to know
Thanks for the comparison! This is very misleading indeed.
This also shows that, had Nvidia named the mobile version correctly we'd have much smaller difference in performance between a laptop and desktop versions due to the laptop version being much more power efficient.
Hai, can I know when should I change laptop. Kind hard to follow trend from GTX to rtx. Does hold up for 5 year worth it to buy best laptop. Other thing, laptop only suitable for 1080p gaming right. 😅
Yo personalmente le doy una vida de 3 años a 5
Awesome video as always!
Ps. I like the way you riffed on "The way it's meant to be played".
Would be interesting if we got a desktop 4090 175w with much lower BOM cost.
how close are they when you cap the power limit on the desktop 4080 to 4090m power limit
Didn't bother testing, I guess it might be interesting "for science" but ultimately no one is running their desktop that way.
1:14 Would've really liked to see the desktop card at 175W, maybe in a 4080 Laptop vs 4070 Desktop video?
If 4090 Laptop = 4080 Desktop then the laptop using people are actually winning because having a 4080 (or little below a 4080) in a laptop is fantastic, considering the form factor and the energy consumption. I really think getting a desktop 4090 is impossible. Having a 4080 desktop in a laptop is at least amazing.
It's practically the same chip (AD103) only at lower TDP and smaller cooling system. Laptop 4080 has AD104 chip from 4070Ti desktop.
not really when you pay nearly $4000 for something thats called a 4090 yet it performs sometimes under a 4070ti.
@@gersongaete1574 precisely
YAY!!!!!!!!! Thankyou very much!!!!
Jarrod was the Titan overclocked or undervolted because in your Titan review it just got a score of around 22500 in time spy but overclocked and undervolted it can get up to 24000 in time spy and beating a RTX 4070TI/RTX4090 (and also beating any other laptop)
Now see, this guy's videos answer the questions you have
Imagine if the Framework 16 gets a 4090 Module. I’d love to see how that would work. Maybe a 4060 on the go and keep the 4090 at home?
Perhaps just get a egpu dock for desktop 4080 for your laptop at home
I think framework will use AMD GPUs, because Nvidia is not really open-source friendly and I highly doubt they would work with someone small like framework
@@lamka02sk I mean I'm all for that
Honestly considering the 4090 at 80w still beats a 175w 3080 Ti, it could be interesting..
Oh, I didn’t realize the efficiency was that much better. I expected it to perform considerably better in terms of efficiency but hearing that. I can’t wait for the framework 16 to release, imagine making our own makeshift ASUS Duo 16.
"the way it's meant to be played" first time I saw this on gta San Andreas loading screen😂
Wondering if the RTX 40 Series Issue was already fixed? (Laptop)
OMG NEO 16 review coming in??? ;D
Can you please compare this laptop RTX 4090 with desktop RTX 4070 super?
in your future game tests can you please include escape from tarkov?
Add hell let loose/squad to the games list please :)
Can An Air Conditioned Room with 18-20° room temperature Help in Cooling the components of the laptop ??
im sure his studio is already at those temperatures. Only difference is if you live in a really cold place where its usually 0-10 degrees, then you wont ever have to worry about temperatures.
Well,when you see performance, 4090 laptop = 4070 desktop
I am seeing a lot of people on reddit raving about turning of the E cores in 13th gen intel chips when gaming. It increases average and 1% frames pretty consistently.
Hello Jarrod ! I have to say you are the best laptop reviewer on CZcams, and I watch most of your videos and I appreciate the amount of work you put into them. I bought a Legion 5 based on your reviews. I don't know if you know about Dota 2 but it's a very popular eSports game which requires a lot of CPU power in order to deliver high framerates as it's based on Source 2 Engine. It would be really really nice and I think a lot of people would be interested in this .Could you consider including this title in your tests? Thank you !
I used to test it a few years back, but it runs on pretty much anything so I stopped using it. I could consider it when I do a CPU comparison video.
@@JarrodsTech that's all I could ever ask, thank you !
This year the desktop and laptop performance gap is massive! Damn, last year the laptop version was very similar on performance
Please test the different laptop CPU options against each other! Especially considering the possibly worse performance of the i9 HX processors. Thanks again for the excellent reviews Jarrod.
I have that planned!
@@JarrodsTech Excellent! There's truly no one else like you on CZcams! Thanks Jarrod!
Thanks for doing this Jarrod.
Just as I thought;
I REALLY wouldn't mind if Nvidia name it a 4080 Laptop instead as the average performance differences are nearly minimal, Max-Q Design like, at best.
At least there are some truth in it in terms of specs.
Hey Jarrod. I am wondering if you can make some testing if 1% low can be increased on 13900HX CPU by some tweaks. Maybe like CPU undervolting, Disabling Dynamic boost, E-Cores disabling, using Process Lasso maybe, something. I think will be very usefull for a lot of peoples :). Or this issue is GPU related, not CPU ?! I don't know..
I may make a video on it when the reason for the 1% low issues in 2023 can be confirmed. I don't know the reason for it yet though.
The really interesting thing is how the 4090 laptop compares to the 4070ti desptop.
Still waiting for RTX 4060 vs 3070 comparison!
When will the Zephyrus m16 review be out?😅
It's in testing at the moment.
Worth watching video!
Good comparison. No one spending $5k dollars on a laptop is being misled. They have the basics down to look for. I promise. Naturally Nvidia has to use 4090 over 4080 Mobile as back in the day mobile versions sucked. Just makes sense to go with 4090. The Blade 18 I bought is absolutely awesome. Every single game is Ultra Maxed RT Quality FG and plays absolutely great. Definitely expensive but worth it from someone who actually spent the money on one.
SInce you are actually using a Titan (which you shouldve made clear in the title or in the beginning of the video since gpu performance varys from laptop to laptop) the actual desktop gpu equivalent is actually a overclocked 3090 ti but with 16gb of vram instead of 24 and 40 series features.
please compare amd ryzen 9 7945hx with intel 13980hx with rtx 4090
Quite surprised with the performance of the laptop. Yeah, it's slower, but it's certainly very power efficient per frame, although it looks like they need to sort out power delivery to many cores of CPUs. I must admit, I'm favouring laptops more for gaming now compared to desktops, mainly because I save space and energy. Plus it's a mobile setup which is also useful for me.
Guess I best start saving a newer laptop! My one running a 1650 has it's limit 😅
Same here. Ryzen 5 3550H, 8GB RAM and the 1650 is definitely starting to show its age atleast in games.
I'll hold off until the RDNA4 / RTX 50 series tho and hopefully by then miniLED or OLED and good battery life also trickles down in price
Check out the 2022 Asus ROG laptops Bestbuy is selling currently. Shockingly cheap for what you're getting. Last August I got the 2021 G15 with a 3070 and AMD 5900HS for under $1200(open box but like new). You can now pick up a 16" QHD 165hz laptop with a 3070ti and intel i9 12900k for under $1500. That's incredibly cheap for the performance, it'll be night and day compared to your current 1650 laptop lol
Save energy? I wonder if it does? Given battery losses. That could be a good idea for a video.
@@Showz333 I assume you're talking about the Legion 5 pro with the 6900HX + 3070 Ti. Yea that one of the Lenovo website is a pretty damn good deal, considering it has a good screen, 2TB of storage, and 32 gigs of DDR5 ram. I would pick that one up for $1750 if I needed a laptop currently.
I think the XMG NEO would have been a better choice for comparison, since it can run with watercooling and can be OC'd safely and stay stable even with clock speeds of 2600 MHz.
OC wouldn't be fair, i think it's better to compare them stock for the matter of this video
@@JacobSmith-rd8hl why, if the 4080 is running with 2.6 Ghz? Imo it would be fairer, just to see how the same die performs with the same speeds. And while OCing in my testing, the 4080 was only 15% ahead.
I guess it is probably quiet confusing for a new consumer. But otherwise they would either have to add letters to 4080/4090 laptops like 4080/4080ti which to me seems a little more complicated, or maby shift the whole line to start from 4040) but then it creates more discrepancy at the low end. My brain simply treats laptop and desktop as entirely different lines, where:
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Hi Jarrod when will you be reviewing the Ryzen 9 7945HX laptops?
Yes.
@@JarrodsTech lol Yes works for me man. There's just very few videos on it so I can't wait for it
Hello. Is it better to have one 16GB DDR5 than two 8GB DDR4 in gaming laptops?
There isn't a huge amount of difference between them.
@@JarrodsTech Thank you
@@meep6121 No problem! Just for some more info, one stick of DDR5 still technically can run in dual channel. 2 sticks will improve performance, but it's MUCH smaller compared to what we saw with DDR4.
They really need to change the naming convention. Just adding a fucking M at the end like they used to do.
If you get arrested for murder, can I get the GPU you used for it?
Definitely the more impressive laptop this generation.
The price was decent on the ASUS Scar on launch. Though that pricing no longer exists.
Seems that despite the hate these laptops are selling a lot better then the desktop parts.
Jarrod, did you see the Star Wars Jedi Survivor?? System requirements: 8GB VRAM. I 've bought my laptop a few months ago with 3060 6GB VRAM and it's already dated. WTF is going on with Nvidia and the VRAM?? The laptops are far behind due to VRAM. Can you make a video about it??
Hey, i love all your contents. I have a budget of 2k-2.5k and I mainly play Dota 2 and Valorant. Could you please recommend me which gaming laptop should I get? The more durable the more better.
Any professionals in the comment section, please do give your view. Thank you.
I could be wrong but I don’t think nvidia mislead anything as laptop variants are not desktop variants regardless of how similar the boards are. In the laptop arena the cards are what they are and prove it with performance results. Performance now is also so good that people just look to complain because games aren’t over 100fps at 4k as if 48 to 70fps is bad. The only gripe I’ve had even though I’m loving the 4070 notebook variant is the low tgp when compared to the higher end cards considering they seem to hit full dynamic boost while the 4050, 4060, 4070 seem to be nerferd. If people get stuck on the naming then they have more issues that can be helped because personally they could have named it donkey brains and as long as it performs well for the price then why should I care.