Where was the Spinosaurus During the Events of The Lost World: Jurassic Park?
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Isla Sorna is the largest of the islands within the Muertes Archipalego and it is this island that InGen began its genetic engineering of Jurassic Park's dinosaurs. This is also
the same island that is featured in both The Lost World: Jurassic Park as well as Jurassic Park 3, and the numerous differences in the landscape and vegetation seen in both films
of the series has become puzzling to some attentive audience members. One particular observation has led many to question the introduction of the star dinosaur of the third film
as well as its origins within the timeline of the series. The Spinosaurus featured in Jurassic Park 3 is shown to be, quite possibly, the strongest and most formidably destructive
dinosaur on the entire island.
This video is specifically dedicated to the possibilities of The Lost World Spinosaurus being a probable thing. Many have searched for the terms Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom Spinosaurus or Jurassic World Spinosaurus in general in the hopes of finding any information on the Jurassic Park 3 Spino but not much has come up as the Spinosaurus Isla Sorna is very different from the Spinosaurus Isla Nublar and the JP3 Spino will probably not make an appearance as one of the Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom New Dinosaurs unfortunately. Now if Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom Sorna does indeed become a thing than a Rexy vs Spinosaurus rematch between the Jurassic Park 3 Dinosaurs may happen but I honestly don't want to see that. Mainly because the Spino vs T Rex thing has really been played out and seeing another Spinosaurus vs Tyrannosaurus scene would really take away from the Spinosaurus Mystery and make the Spinosaurus Returns idea kind of stale. That is just my personal opinion on the Spinosaurus Jurassic Park dinosaur being used in another T Rex vs Spinosaurus segment and should be taken as such. - Zábava
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Blitz Fire well he did
LOL
He’s using some kind of mind trick... he has to be
I want to see the rexxy location
lmao
Am I the only person who actually liked Jurassic Park 3?
Are you the only person on the planet? :P
I do
Yes
I liked it just fine. Remember being excited seeing the poster at Universal Studios Islands of Adventure after 4 years of silence and not expecting it.
Nope, you're not. I always liked it. Still do.
The spino was there. He was just standing so still that no one could see him.
Are you saying that the Spinosaurus is actually Drax?
*phone rings*
should be renamed Draxosaurus. It got more spines than any predator in the 3rd expansion of the Jurassic Park movie. XD
Johncenosaurus
Hes just standing there,
MENANCINGLY,
They bred some honey badger in the spino...
Attacking anything, that's honey badger behavior
Tank: stand there
honey badger: i probably could eat that
Rex needs a bit of wolverine dna, wolverine is honey badger, bigger and meaner cousin.
damn they needed to put tasmanian devil dna in it spicies it up
@@yung_doood hahahahaha
The honey badger doesn’t give a fuck
Considering how large the island geographically is, I think it's certainly possible that Spinosaurus was already on there when the second film took place. After all, the expedition team haven't spent too much time on Isla Sorna, they didn't cover a whole lot of grounds either which means that there are still plenty that they haven't seen and Spinosaurus may just be one of those things. Personally, I don't believe that any organisms, no matter how overly aggressive it is, would be self-destructive enough to go after "anything" it detects. The JP Spino might be constantly itching for fights with other large predators on the site but that doesn't necessarily cloud its own judgement. There have been not one, but two fully-grown Tyrannosaurus Rex at that time, both far bigger than the bull T-rex which Spinosaurus have handled in the third film. Besides, Spiny was not yet fully-grown in Jurassic Park 3, that means that it was even younger and smaller in Jurassic Park 2, when the T-rex family ruled. Going after the pair of T-rex and picking a fight with them is a mean of suicide. What Spiny want is to stay away from them, as far as possible, that is why it was never seen in Jurassic Park 2.
Supernatural 3878 Wonderful perception. This sounds very accurate.
Yeah, very interesting
that a really good theory i agree
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As well as that it's paddock may not have been breached yet at that time
He was sitting back with popcorn watching the events take place...
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In Jurassic Park III, Billy mentions the Spinosaurus not being on InGen's list, in which Alan replies, "It wasn't on their list, which makes me wonder what else they've been up to." In other words, JP3 alludes to Ingen creating new dinosaurs and experimentimg on the island
The dinosaur protection group website states that the spino and others were illegally cloned by Ingen under masrani global in 1997 100 days after they acquired ingen, explicitly mentioned that there had been reports of the spino and others in 2001, but that these statments were discredited by bribed officials.
Here's the link, look for the list named "the illegal species"
www.dinosaurprotectiongroup.com/what-killed-the-gene-guard-act.html
@@tychogoedhart286 Thanks.
Man I would love to see a Giganotosaurus. That dino is like waayy bigger than Trex & Spino. Possibly bigger than the Indominus rex.
Cpektir that dude must’ve played Dino crisis 2😂😂😂
@@danskyl7279 now they fulfilled your wish 😁
*Its cool they finally found another Spinosaurus skeleton after 70 years...the only other specimen was destroyed in WW2 in a museum*
Hemi204 crazy
Privateer Hunter there’s a good nova documentary on it, called Bigger then T-Rex
It used to be on here but I think it got taken down
And now it is an ocean monster
@@purplexninjamom I saw a mini doc that suggested the Spino was actually a water based dinosaur that could bridge the gap between land and water.
Seb Parkinson. It is, they have reviewed the tail and have realized that it was a water predator. Trex is still king of the land.
The concept that the Spinosaurus may have been Henry Wu’s first dalliance with making hybrid carnivours is tantalizing. It would explain why Spino, Indominus Rex, and Indoraptor all seem to have an insatiable appetite and why they always end up in duel with a regular Dino like Rex or Blue or both.
Billy says to Grant when given the tooth, “I don’t remeber that being one InGen’s list,” and Grant says, “It wasn’t and that makes me wonder what else they are up to..” Perfect foreshadowing of Wu’s hybridasaurs. However, a simpler answer is the Spino was hatched and matured after The Lost World, as evidenced in Eric and Grant’s conversation in the InGen truck, “when Ingram left they left behind a lot of stuff,” to this Grant asks, “did they leave any weapons?” Now you could infer that Eric simply means from when InGen left fear behind in the Lost World, but it could mean InGen visited the island when Eric was there. However, this does not explain how Spino was already an adult Apex predator because Eric was only there eight weeks. So the more likely is Henry Wu and Masaroni/InGen developed the Spino between The Lost World and Jurassic Park III. If this is so, we then can view Spino as the first harbinger of hybrids, predating the Indominus Rex and Indoraptor.
Another fan favorite theory is the Spino is responsible for killing the crew on the boat that carries the Adult Buck Male T-Rex to San Diego. Story boards debunk this with scenes of Velociraptors and Pteradons attacking the crew. But the Spino could have been responsible. His crocodile snout did get into the Kirby rented plane with ease and could have gotten into the narrow entersnce to the bridge and eaten the man whose hand was on the wheel; then again a missing hand of arm is raptoresque; examples being Mr. Arnold’s in JP and the man eaten by the Indoraptor in his cage.
It also fits better with the new information we have about Spinosaurus (it likely a ambush predator, not pursuit, and it had a newt like tail which allowed it to swim, but most likely it spent it's time wading in the shallows)
@brummyuk It wasn't the infant from Lost World. But you're right. It was NOT fully grown. It was much smaller than the other adult T-Rexes.
@@cicada300wasn’t the spino the spino was created in 1999
The obvious real world explanation is that they didn't care about continuity. In-world however, I would say that the reason the Spinosaurus wasn't in Lost World is because it was too young to challenge the Rexes, and therefore stayed in a small territory. When it got older and was able to take on larger prey, it became bolder. In JP3, it was in it's ... shall we say teenage "I'm invincible" stage, thus it's daring to take on even a Rex
Wesley Molt spinos are bigger than a trex all Of u in the thread seem to think the trex is way bigger
@@dylanmayabb8847 Thats because T.rex was indeed bigger, Spinosaurus was longer however T.rex was heavier, this means T.rex was bigger then spinosaurus
not like a mega diference
The largest T.rex specimen scotty is estimated to weight about 8.9 tonnes . while the largest specimen of spinosaurus MSNM v 4047 has a mass estimated from 6.9 to 7.6 tonnes
And the avarage weight of T.rex ranges between 7.5 to 7.9 tonnes. while the avarage weight of spinosaurus ranges between 4.5 to 5.5 or 6 tonnes
so yea. T.rex was overall larger then spinosaurus,
@@raptormage2209 i mean, there are far more found specimens for the trex than for the spinosaurus. Wasn't the overall estimation for the spinosaurus around 7 tons?
@@dylanmayabb8847 at the time it was 1 vs 2 regardless. He stayed out of their territory
@@raptormage2209 Not true, the spinosaurus was proven by scientists to be bigger than the T Rex. Stronger. Even heavier. That’s why the T Rex lost.
I've always thought that maybe it swam off the island to explore the area
The writers did not invent it yet.
@@anubusx
There so slow.
The spinosaurus was cloned when Ingen was bought by Masrani global, in 1998, and the second movie took place one in 1997
Yes
Masrani brought ingen after Hammond's death
I love Jurassic Park 3 it's got a talking velociraptor hey Allen
This had me laughing
Very good comment my guy 😂
That's the best part of the whole movie always makes me laugh 😂
JP3 would've been ever better with longer dream sequences.
funny but its alan not allen
The background music is forever stuck in my head now.
The only REAL problem I had with Jurassic Park 3 was the OVERABUNDANCE of screaming.
god , tea leoni was so incredibly irritating in the movie. she should have been raptor chow.
Ben, Ben, Ben.
@@anubusx "WHAT'S A BAD IDEA?!"
"Yes, but then there's the running ... and the screaming." Ian Malcolm - The Lost World
ERIC!
Going through the Red Woods and seeing where Lost World was would be absolutely amazing!
As was seen in JP3, the Spinos territory is by the worker facility where Lost World ended. So, I think that the reason why the Spino attacks the Rexes in JP3 is because the Rexes tracked the humans into its territory during the events of Lost World. So that explains why it is so hostile to humans and Rexes in JP3. Both invaded its territory in Lost World, so it was defending against them.
Spino be like: i hate humans and rexes
@@godzillagurus576 all my homies hate humans and rexes
Probably because in the Lost World we have a pair bonded coupling of two full grown Tyrannosaurus that are extremely protective of their infant. Despite the Spino being only slightly larger, I doubt the spino would even attempt to encroach on the territory of the two tyrannosaurus. It would have to take on not one but two beasts of similar stature.
@brummyuk the one in the movie was a bull. Very much fully grown
@brummyuk source for that claim?
@@Lingist081 it was a young male juvenile T. Rex. It was written in the script 🤦
@@Wrangler59 No in the script it said it was a full grown bull T-Rex. I don’t think you read the script.
@@Lingist081 lol I don't think you did my guy 🤣😂
It would be cool if we could talk about the abandoned ingen facility in Jp3, and talk about what dino fetuses were in the tanks
Eddie Confetti raptors
Eddie Confetti I agree
That is a good idea bro☺☺☺😀😀😁😂😂
Levi Thirsk one is a spinasour
Raptors , baby spinosaurus was seen
maybe the spinosaurus wasnt fully grown in the 3rd one? and so it would have been even smaller in the 2nd and so wouldnt appear in it as it would be hunting small dinosaurs and not fighting bigger ones yet...? just my thoughts
The size was the same one from The Lost World, so, it was an adult.
The dinosaur protection group website states that the spino and others were illegally cloned by Ingen under masrani global in 1997 100 days after they acquired ingen, explicitly mentioned that there had been reports of the spino and others in 2001, but that these statments were discredited by bribed officials.
Here's the link, look for the list named "the illegal species"
www.dinosaurprotectiongroup.com/what-killed-the-gene-guard-act.html
The most likely answer it didn't want approach the 2 adult trex territory
Yes the spino in that movie was a very aggressive animal but no animal is gonna take on two rexes
The Spinosaurus was cloned illegal in 1999, so he was born two years later and couldn't be there
Yes that was i thought...
He was on vacation.
A huge sign hung across the main entrance gate to Jurassic Park -- "Gone fishin'" (signed) The Spinosaurus.
I would say in the events of lost world, with the Rex's moving as a family unit, perhaps that has something to do with no Spino. The fact 2 adults were running around as a team would deter it from entering their territory. Perhaps the events of lost world altered the Rex territory so much that they split up more with the extra space or to cover more ground. This would have given the Spino a 1 on 1 chance, and perhaps this lead to it's rise to the top.
The dinosaur protection group website states that the spino and others were illegally cloned by Ingen under masrani global in 1997 100 days after they acquired ingen, explicitly mentioned that there had been reports of the spino and others in 2001, but that these statments were discredited by bribed officials.
Here's the link, look for the list named "the illegal species"
www.dinosaurprotectiongroup.com/what-killed-the-gene-guard-act.html
Spinosaurus:"Bruh, I was busy playin' Sega with my roommates. Now shut up, ya know nothin' chump!"
lol 😂
what's random is that in the latest movie "Fallen Kingdom" it's all about saving the dinosaurs from extinction from the Isla Nublar island volcano.. did everyone just forget about site B (Isla Sorna)????
Alo Baker It’s confirmed Sorna was purged of dinos or some were taken to JW
Timber_Wulf but what about other four islands
Where was that confirmed?
To: Timber_Wulf
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Sorna is NOT confirmed to be "purged of dinos" they can't know for sure, so they took whatever was seen.
There was a drop in population, nothing more.
I don't know if you'll see thiscomment, but just recently they released an image teasing Site B having something to do with Jurassic World 3.
The Spino was so aggressive because there were no McDonald's on the island, it didn't appear in The Lost World because it was looking for one
The Spinosaurus being the first hybrid species is definitely and interesting theory. If I remember correctly Hammond died shortly after the events of Lost World and Masrani aquired InGen around the same period of time. So it's likely that Spinosaurus was the off the books first attempt at hybrids leading up to the Indominus Rex.
Spinosaurus is a real dinosaur not a hybrid
Kohrs Films what you mean by hybrid? Spinosaurus is a real Dino lol...
The spinosaurus in JP3 looks nothing like an actual Spinosaurus, and concider how agressive the Spino acts in the movie, is it too far fetched to believe it to be a hybrid? the real spinosaurus had short stubby legs and mostly lived an aquatic lifestyle. while yes we do see the Spino in the movie being in the water with the boat scene, the Dinosaur they showed us is waaay to big with long legs, being bigger than the T.rex.
Sure it may be error from the people making the movie, since not a lot of information about the Spinosaurus was known around that time, but it is a fun theory to imagine it to be the first Hybrid. A ¨mistake¨ left on sorna. It would explain the errors with its irl counterpart.
Really? it has? just seems to me like a fun theory to bring up. Doesn´t neccesarly mean it´s cannon, but wow, people act like dickheads about it ? lmao
It's official info that this Spinosaurus is the result of heavy alterations.
That's not the Redwoods in California, that's Endor.
very very true
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Indeed, and the Spinosaurus was not featured in The Lost World: Jurassic Park because he got killed by Ewoks :D
I've been in the red wood forest before
I've been where they shot the scene in walking with dinosaurs
He was just particularly pissed at alan's gang as they actively harmed him early in the film.
This one of the question I have stuck in my mind
GO! Take pics and videos of the movie sites and show us! awesome idea. Just remember... "DON'T GO INTO THE TALL GRASS!!"
I've been to Hawaii twice, in '94 and '97. The '97 trip was spent entirely on Kauai. We visited two spots they filmed the original JP: The island intro with the helicopter when John Williams' epic score enters (which is only accessible via boat tour) and the Velociraptor feeding pen (which was torn down before we visited and replaced with a beautiful botanical gardens that you can walk on and is a tourist hot spot).
The most recent canon information suggests the Spino was created in 1997 (A few months or so after TLW) by a small team of Ingen scientist that returned to Isla Sorna. The also made some ankylosaurus, corythosaurus and one other I can’t remember. They experimented on it for 9 months and then left.
This would explain the line in JP 3 that the spino wasn’t on ingen’s “list”.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Dr. Wu was one of the scientist that returned to the island and helped create it. It would honestly fit his JW character’s personality to do so.
That's FALSE canon information!
The other was Ceratosaurus.
Wasn’t it created in 1999?
@@tvvistedv3nom26 yes
No way, already ingen experiment centers and laboratorys were destroyed (saw in jp2)
i lived in hawaii all my life and a huge JP fan. however I have yet to take that tour to see the filming location for JP here
It'd be cool to see the Spinosaurus in the new upcoming movie or at the very least mentioned by Dr. Grant.
Dr Grant won't appear, it will be Ian Malcolm!
The Spino was apparently confirmed dead and that the Spino skeleton the T-rex smashes through in the Jurassic World was the Spino from JP3 (also a way to appease the fans who didn't like the Spino killing a T-rex)
Jorgey Jarvo No it was not, you are absolutely wrong. That spino skeleton that was destroyed in JW was much smaller than the Spino from Jp3
For some dumb reason, JW ignores JP 2 and 3.
There is a relative of the Spino in JW: FK called the Suchomimus.
Dude, vlogs from places where Jurassic movies were shot -- that`s a brilliant idea.
Personally I'd love to see the area where Deter took his last breaths. I don't know why, but that part always creeped me out and I thought the setting was awesome and quite eerie. Also since I finally got around to reading the books in recent years I enjoyed how similar his death is to John Hammond's in the novel.
Also I just want to give a huge thank you for your channel and awesome videos! I've loved JP since I saw the first one in theaters in '93 and your videos provide plenty of information about the franchise I didn't know, or even knew existed, and backup theories I've pondered relating pieces of the book to scenes in the movies! While new official JP movie releases are few and far between over the years, your videos offer up so much lore that it feels like a mini combination of book/movie version playing out in every single one. Thanks again!
Dude, you have a Jurassic Park, channel. This is absolutely fantastic!! Congratulations!
This very issue was addressed in the screen play for the latest movie, it reads as follows “He flied up then s’plode in magic go bye bye land.”
the dinosaur protection group website states that the spino and others were illegally cloned by Ingen under masrani global in 1997 100 days after they acquired ingen, explicitly mentioned that there had been reports of the spino and others in 2001, but that these statments were discredited by bribed officials.
movie: "we need a dinosaur that is bigger, tougher and meaner that T-rex"
me: "The third movie had that spinosaurus, perhaps you could use that"
movie: "let's make a new one"
me: (ಠ_ಠ)
They could use a giganotosaurus
@@nigelsworldofcreatures5871 yeah they haven't used that carnivore in the Jurassic movies
Actually, a T-REX is "meaner" than the Spino, and also tougher, the JP3 Spino was very exaggerated. But the fil was made in 2001, so eh.
@@zakokutesi2083 its a hybrid so its much stronger and bigger
@@zakokutesi2083 aww t rex fans are salty
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I remember finding this channel years ago when you had like 10k subs. Glad I refound it
Crichton's Lost World Novel alludes to the idea that the pack of Raptors on Sorna are...for want of a better term, "Feral," because they were abandoned on the island and had no parents to teach them about proper social behaviors and hunting patterns. Thus, they came off as more aggressive and wild than the Raptors from Nublar.
The expanded lore surrounding JP3 states that the Spinosaurus' creation was ultimately an accident surrounding a case of mistaken identity.
The engineers on Sorna at first believed that what they were creating was a clutch of Baryonyx eggs; the first two being real Baryonyx, but the third being the Spinosaurus.
The geneticists couldn't immediately tell the difference because the creature's sail wouldn't develop until maturity.
So the three animals were raised together...until Spino got big enough and aggressive enough, to realize that he could easily overpower the other two "siblings"...
He ate them...
I wonder if what happened to the Feral Raptors is the same case that happened to Spino...It technically happened to the Indominus as well, but there are so many other factors that played into that; further complications that might overlap if the Spino IS a Hybrid.
So...My theory is, that because Spino didn't necessarily have any actual siblings to interact with, when it figured out that it was "different" from the other two, and didn't necessarily have anything "bigger" around to keep him in line...Spino started testing his boundaries...
In essence, it's a lot like what Indominus was doing; it was killing to see if there was anything that could stop it or at least stand up to it. Maybe that's why Spino kept going around intentionally looking for a fight with Tyrannosaurus; it wanted to prove that it was the biggest, baddest bastard on the block...
Granted, I somewhat disagree with Crichton's description from the Lost World, because that would mean that every single Dinosaur bred on the island and in Jurassic Park would be feral; it's not like they'd actually have parents to raise them BEFORE hand.
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Hey thanks man! Really appreciate that!
Could be the giant ass fence that stoped it from being in the second movie
I haven’t watched jp3 in a while but didn’t it run through that fence ?
@@thelightpost6056 yes it did but it was actively chasing people i imagine that it wouldn't bother otherwise and that's why it wasn't in the lost world
Yea I've been saying this for a while. Everyone always forgets about that detail. That huge fence was the Spino's "pen." That fence was covering an area that was like about 10 square miles of territory, which is why we didnt see the Spino in the Lost World. It smashed the fence during JP3 when it was actively chasing the characters in JP3 like you said, and then it had the entire island to roam around freely. Isla Sorna is suppose to be astronomically larger than Isla Nublar also. Isla Nublar is like 25 square miles give or take, whereas Isla Sorna is suppose to be like the size of Jamaica or Puerto Rico in the books, so its a huge island. Where they were in the Lost World was probably like 100 miles away from where they are in JP3.
That doesn’t make sense considering the spino was already in the scene at the airstrip, and I find it unrealistic that Ingen would have such facilities INSIDE the spino’s pen. It’s also unlikely the spino hadn’t already broken out of its pen during the events of the second movie because it would have needed to hunt to survive
@@Xadovthe fence is weird , it might not be the enclosure for the spino maybe a divider of sorts. Plus the airports in a weird spot away from the other facilities we see. So maybe ingen was just shit at designing islands
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Oh, I really love these elaborate theories! Even though in reality it probably was just "we need a bigger dinosaur for part 3". Or (as a colleague of mine often said): "Puff, magic."
Funny you mention redwoods and tropical jungles. Ironically I think the tyrannosaurs favored the redwoods since that was one of their natural habitats and the Spinosaurus favored jungles since humid, wet, and swampy environments were natural to them. Personally I think the Spinosaurus just surveys its territory for rexes and takes them out for the sake of a T-Rex being a threat to its territory and a powerful rival.
That is very plausible
Dennis Nedry many modern animals do it today so I took an educated guess. If you want me to talk more about sciencey subjects check out my channel.
Fallen Kingdom is now out! Loved it! There's something about the movie series that will always have a special place in my heart!
Fallen Kingdom was an absolute garbage fire. Pure shit from start to finish. You actually enjoyed watching them rape the franchise for a quick buck? You must adore Dominion then.
@@VitZ9 bro both of the movies were alright stop hating cause you saw someone say it was bad
I've been watching ur channel for a while now so I JUST subscribed
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Jurassic Park Operation Genesis... brilliant
TurtleBurger ready for the new one coming out this summer?
Yeah absolutely excited for it, haven't been hyped for a game since Alien Isolation... I just hope they don't mess it up with too many microtransactions or locked content. There are so many ways to fuck up a modern day game so I will wait for about a week after the games release before deciding to buy it and I hope sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much that its good ._.
I have high hopes for the game, its being made by the same guys who did Elite Dangerous, Planet coaster and Zoo tycoon so it should be good, If its not I live near their studio so I will just burn it down :)
I love Operation Genesis but there will be a new one? NICE!
I was just asking this like for like 1 whole week and this been up for like 2 years lol I’m a new subscriber
Dude I love your intro😎
Dude going to the set would be dope af
It'd be like it happened years ago.
Like it was real
Spinosaur was a good swimmer maybye He was on nubla and swimmed to sorna
wouldnt be able to swim that far
It cant live in salt water, thats y it went extint, cuz glaciers melted and sea level rised and delta’s were salt-ified, and its prey died and it died
Even if it could swim that far...
...even if it could live in salt water...
...that's one quite humongous stretch.
Michael Ford yeah, because nublar is about 30 miles from sorna
Spinosaurus most likely could have swam like a swan or pelican.
Great breakdown
I would also like to point out the fact that apex predators no matter how much stronger than one another would likely try to avoid each other as encountering another animal of that level even if guaranteed victory would probably have a high chance of sustaining an injury that would make you more vulnerable and incapable of defending your own territory. Even other non apex predators could potentially challenge it if it were to be seriously injured in a fight , so I am sure the spino wouldn't just willy nilly roam.
There's one idea that I haven't seen many people suggest, but the evidence to support it actually goes back to the very first movie - the idea being that the plant life on Sorna, like the Spinosaurus is genetically engineered.
Ellie Sattler says to John Hammond that Ingen has chosen plants for Jurassic Park simply because they look good, but that like the dinosaurs they have absolutely no idea what century they're in.
It would make sense that if Ingen wanted to create dinosaurs from so many different parts of the world, it might have been easier to engineer environments for them rather than engineer the dinosaurs themselves. Such meddling would have made sense on a testing ground like Isla Sorna. They might even have done similar on the other islands.
Hypothetically, in 1997 the Spinosaurus may have been resident to a part of the island that Ingen had engineered a more tropical flora. That flora - the more tropical and dense forests we see in JP3 - would abundantly support prey the Spinosaurus was capable of easily bringing down (unlike the drier, wider plains we see in TLW which would have been abundant in more dangerous herbivore giants like the Sauropods). It's feasible that by 2001 this flora had spread like a contagion to other parts of the island - once introduced it didn't stop spreading. With that, the smaller herbivore species flourished and the Spinosaurus was able to expand its territory too. That'd also explain why by JP3, the command center looks far more overgrown with tropical growth.
Put more simply, whilst any theory is simply addressing inconsistency as a result of sloppy direction with JP3, it would actually make sense that Ingen is dabbling in the engineering and even possibly hybridisation of plants as well as animals (Ellie pretty much confirms it in JP1) - and Isla Sorna is literally an isolated cocktail of warped science.
They really need to bring spinosaurus back for this next film!!!
i don't know, i do hope for at least a small mention from Henry Wu about Spino
It was in JW. Did you not see it's bones get mowed over by Rexy as she made her entrance? 😂 It was glorious too.
CBright7831 that wasn’t Spino
Pablo Herasme it was a Spinosaur, just wasn’t the same one.
It was a spinosaur skeleton.
He probably was just chillin like a villain somewhere hahahahahaahhaha please tell me someone gets that Disney channel reference
I know these video is old but I just found you channel and I love it. Also with one spino there is probably another one because what if the first one failed they most have a second one it would make sense like in Jurassic world
Spinosaurus was like "two fully grown trexs?! Fuck that. I'll take my chances will the single baby one".
lol
Kain VS Predator more like teenage one
Baby is much more smaller meanwhile Trex in JP/// is almost the same size of the Spinosaurus :b
I would love to see Stark's final resting place, aka the river in the lost world. That location was so vast and intimidating that I've become obsessed with forests thanks to it.
I feel like this guy needs more subscribers because of how much lore he explains.
i sub cause your vids have interesting things
As much as this very likely isn’t much to go on, I remember the Lego games map showing a smaller mountain range within thick vegetation separating the two parts of site b.
And we’ve seen this divide in the opening to the lost world game too, when the island is shown. It makes sense to me that the mountains, much like real life, would create the dry forests on one side and the jungle on the other, and with the spinosaur being so large I can accept that it might not be able to traverse this central ridge and thus stay on its portion, whilst rexes could at a young age wander through to its part of the island-also explaining its territorial nature.
2:32 when your friend is running to get a drink but he's one shot away from dying so you try and stop him
It could've been released on Site B during the lost world!
It would also explain why it's 20 feet instead of 50 feet.
We need more channels like this
Go to the redwoods in Patrick’s Point I have been there and it is amazing...I hiked the valley the Rex ran through and it was so cool!
Hey Klayton!
I just moved to Oahu a few months ago and the first thing I did was visit Kualoa Ranch where they filmed the scenes from the original. One of the reasons I moved out here was to be closer to the filming locations throughout the islands, haha. I even have a photo of myself with the infamous log from the gallimimus scene which was incredible experience and one I had dreamed about since a very young age. Just like you I have alway wanted to visit Eureka and the Redwoods in the Lost World, but until then I am going to explore Hawaii's filming locations.
If you do end up coming to Oahu, hit me up and we can hit the ranch and take notes and photos of the locations! I Love your page and content of course and I can say that your channel has filled the void of the Jurassic lore that I have been waiting for for a long, long time.
Much respect bro!
Regards,
James
Hey thanks man! Good to hear such an awesome offer haha! It would be awesome to check out those locations!
always love the background music you use
I read somewhere that the Spinosaurus was released sometime before the events of Jurassic Park 3
well it definitely wasnt afterwards
Oh, man! I just found your channel and I'm ecstatic!😍 I've been a fan of dinosaurs and of the franchise all my life. Thank you so much for your work and I really don't care what you do next; it will be awesome either way! ❤
Hey thank you! I greatly appreciate hearing that! :)
The Camp site from TLW would be BIBLICAL just seeing everything and imaginging beast walking among us would be amazing 😭🐊💚
Would love to see you tour those places. Would love to hear deep dive details on some of the locations and left behind sets, even if someone else has already covered it.
i found your channel in 2019 i love your youtube channel and very good points in the film franchise
FYI from the spino family my fav dinosaurs is baryonyx ,& suchomimus .
spinosaurus is in the middle
Always wondered if they bred a normal spino first before making the hybrid one.
Xenomorph King yeah like did they have one before deciding to make a modified one
That's my theory. They managed to create a Spino, Wu saw it differentiated GREATLY from what they, at the time, thought it looked like. Seeing as Hammond wanted to create creatures that looked as closely to what they thought they looked like, Wu decided to see if he couldn't "make" the Spino like they thought it looked like.
When he noticed that splicing together Spino, Baryonyx and Suchomimus DNA wasn't all that difficult (kind of relatives), he decided to challenge himself and threw in something completely different: Raptor.
This explains WHY the Spino seems so intelligent, is hyper aggressive and follows around the survivors: it's holding an immense grudge (something we've seen the Raptors do in JP with The Big One).
Well, it wasn't on Ingen's list, so it was unlikely. The Spinosaurus wasn't entirely well known, and it would make sense to only have one or two super predators (I am obviously talking about the T rex, but its debatable about velociraptors, due to their intelligence). The T rex alone would be able to make back the money spent on all initial expenses for the park, within 5 (at most) years. The other dinos would just expedite that.
Im Sorry But You Can’t Afford That actual spino was longer than the movie one. Just walked differently. No scientist doubt it was larger than a trex.
I honestly don't understand why they didn't do those Lost World call backs. There was so much potential for Jurassic Park 3
The Red Raptor I would like to see Vince Vaughn’s character back...that would be crazy if the kid in the new Jurassic movie is a younger younger brother or cousin of the black girl from lost World.
Trex: you have no spine
Spinosaurus: hold my my spine.
More like, “My arms are much longer than yours.”
My personal head-canon is that the Spino was on the other side of the island. As to it's fate, I imagine the Rex killed in JP3 was the juvenile from Lost World, having recently left it's nest and wandered into Spino territory. The buck and doe discover it's body (by smell, no doubt) sometime later and begin to follow the Spino. Ultimately a fight ensues, the hyper-aggressive Spino does not back down and, against 2 furious adult Tyrannosaurs, is defeated. InGen later discover and recover the skeleton, later putting it on display at Jurassic World.
The JP3 spinosaurus used to be seen on the dinotracker website, which is considered canon to the movies, so that disproves the theory unfortunately. He was also planned to be in both sequels to Jurassic World, but scrapped.
I'd love to see that battle in a jp movie.
Hey man! First off, i recently found your channel and LOVE IT!!!
2nd. I actually had an opportunity to go to Kawaii over a year ago and took both a helicopter ride and snorkle tour. The helicopter showed many events from the first film including where the galamimus were running, amd Jurassic Falls where the characters decended in their helicopter. The snorkle tour actually brought me around to the area that the opening scene of JP2 were filmed! (The compies attacking that little girl). I highly recomend going to any fan of this wonderful franchise, i think you'd enjoy it!
Wish they would of referenced JP2 and jp3 in Jurassic world instead of ignoring the movies
What would be the point though? It's not like the events of those two films affected the plot of _Jurassic World_ like _Jurassic Park_ did.
Okay, so there was some minor affects, but they still didn't affect _Jurassic World_ as much as the first film did. I mean _World_ was set on the same island as the first, aka Isla Nublar, so bringing up the events of those two films would have been superfluous since they were set on Isla Sorna. That's what I was trying to say.
3 was a group of people trespassing on the island no real reason to mention that I think
The T. rex got revenge on the spino by destroying the skeleton
hope? In Fallen Kingdom we see an effort to transport dinosaurs off Nublar before the volcano goes off. Well, where else would they put them but Isla Sorna?
I would love to watch you visiting the old sets♡
hey Klayton love what you do and your videos about site B and the spino make me wonder about a fan film, do you think you would ever write a script or try to make a fan film, filling in the gapes and maybe even explaining what went down on Site B before JP3 happened after The Lost world. Keep up the good work man
yooo SPINO is my fav 😭😭😭💚🐊
Their is a possibility that isla sorna might make an appearance again in the next film, i mean think about it, where as else can u re locate the dinosaurs you managed to save from isla nublar? the only other place would be another new isolated island, but it would be better to relocate them back to sorna, as for the spinosaur, the best explanation to it, is that it must have been a stand alone clone back when ingen were still first cloning dinosaurs, the process resulted an abnormality in the gene splicing and the result is the spino we have here, it was intended to be discarded, hence not being in the list but the company left the island before they do, i still think their is only one spino as unlike other dinos, we only see one single specimen, also the fact that it seems to live near the cloning facility itself, it makes sense that it originated from some isolated enclosure and left to form it's territory their.
Has nobody thought about the fact that the spino wasn't on ingen's list, meaning that during 1997 the spino hadn't been created?
Shout out to Klayton Fioriti . You have ALOT of interesting content . I love the Jurassic Park series, even tho I feel like the last five films haven’t been as impressive as the first , but you give a lot of love and devotion to this and I have to applaud you . “As always , take it easy “ . 🙏🏽🙏🏽
I think the lost world rexes were aware of the spino which is why they were territorial they didnt want the Humans to jepordize the young rex by accidently calling it in
you make great content, man
and you'd consider going to the filming locations? even hawaii? i'm in. i'm definitely in.
Post Michael Crichton... hollywood thought they would create a bigger and badder dinosaur than the T-Rex, and so was born the spinosaurus. The beauty of the Jurassic Park story was the spin that Crichton always took on the science. The conversations in the books were very different from what we saw in any of the movies.
"What you see here," Arnold said, "is an entirely separate counting procedure. It isn't based on the tracking data. It's a fresh look. The whole idea is that the computer can't make a mistake, because it compares two different ways of gathering data. If an animal were missing, we'd know it within five minutes." "I see," Malcom said. "And has that ever actually been tested?" "Well, in a way," Arnold said. "We've had a few animals die. An othnielian got caught in the branches of a tree and strangled. One of the stegos died of that intestinal illness that keeps bothering them. One of the hypsilophodonts fell and broke his neck. And in each case, once the animal stopped moving, the numbers stopped tallying and the computer signaled an alert."
"Within five minutes." "Yes." Grant said, "What is that right-hand column?" "Release version of the animals. The most recent are version 4.1 or 4.3. We're considering going to version 4.4." "Version numbers? You mean like software? New releases?" "Well, yes," Arnold said. "It is like software, in a way. As we discover the glitches in the DNA, Dr. Wu's labs have to make a new version."
The idea of living creatures being numbered like software, being subject to updates and revisions, troubled Grant. He could not exactly say why - it was too new a thought - but he was instinctively uneasy about it. There were, after all, living creatures...
Arnold must have noticed his expression, because he said, "Look, Dr. Grant, there's no point in getting starry-eyed about these animals. It's important for everyone to remember that these animals are *created*. Created by man. Sometimes there are bugs. So, as we discover the bugs, Dr. Wu's labs have to make a new version. And we need to keep track of what version we have out there." "Yes, yes, of course you do," Malcom said impatiently. "But, going back to the matter of *counting* - I take it all the counts are based on motion sensors?"
"Yes."
"And these sensors are everywhere in the park?" "they cover over ninety-two percent of the land area," Arnold said. "There are only a few places we can't use them. For example, we can't use them on the jungle river, because the movement of the water and teh convection rising from the surface screws up the sensors. But we have them nearly everywhere else. And if the computer tracks an animal into an unsensed zone, it'll remember, and look for the animal to come out again. And if it doesn't, it gives us an alarm."
"Now, then," Malcolm said. "You show forty-nine procompsognathids. Suppose I suspect that some of them aren't really the correct species. How would you show me that I'm wrong?" ...
...
As they were walking out, Gennaro said, "It looks like a pretty good system to me. I don't see how any animals could get off this island." "Don't you?" Malcolm said. "I thought it was completely obvious." "Wait a minute," Gennaro said. "You think animals have gotten out?"
"I *know* they have."
Gennaro said, "But how? You saw for yourself. They can count all the animals. They can look at all of the animals. They know where all the animals are at all times. How could one possibly escape?" Malcolm smiled. "It's quite obvious," he said. "It's just a matter of your assumptions."
"Your assumptions," Gennaro repeated, frowning.
"Yes," Malcolm said. "Look here. The basic event that has occurred in Jurassic Park is that the scientists and the technicians have tried to make a new, complete biological world. As in the graph they just showed us. Even though a moment's thought reveals that a nice, normal distribution is terribly worrisome on this island."
"It is?"
"Yes. Based on what Dr. Wu told us earlier, one should never see a population graph like that."
"Why not?" Gennarro said.
"Because that is the graph for a normal biological population. Which is precisely what Jurassic Park is not. Jurassic Park is not the real world. It is intended to be a controlled world that only imitates the natural world. In that sense, it's a true park, rather like a Japanese formal garden. Nature manipulated to be more natural than the real thing"
...
"Now you see the flaw in your procedures," Malcolm said. "You only tracked the expected number of dinosaurs. You were worried about losing animals, and your procedures were designed to advise you instantly if you had less than the expected number. But that wasn't the problem. The problem was, you had more than the expected number."
"Christ," Arnold said.
"There can't be more," Wu said. "We know how many we've released. There can't be any more than that."
"Afraid so, Henry," Malcom said. "They're breeding."
"No."
"Even if you don't accept Grant's eggshell, you can prove it with your own data. Take a look at the compy height graph. Arnold will pull it up for you."
"Notice anything about it?" Malcom said. "It's a Poisson distribution," Wu said. "Normal curve."
"But didn't you say you introduced the compys in three batches? At six-month intervals?"'
"Yes..."
"Then you should get a graph with peaks for each of the three separate batches that were introduced."
"But you didn't get this graph," Malcolm said. "The graph you actually got is a graph of a breeding population. Your compys are breeding."
Compare this to the dinner conversation from the first Jurassic Park movie:
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Gee, the lack of humility before nature that’s being displayed here, uh… staggers me.
Donald Gennaro: Well thank you, Dr. Malcolm, but I think things are a little bit different then you and I had feared…
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, I know. They’re a lot worse.
Donald Gennaro: Now, wait a second now, we haven’t even seen the park…
John Hammond: No, no, Donald, Donald, Donald… let him talk. There’s no reason… I want to hear every viewpoint, I really do.
Dr. Ian Malcolm: Don’t you see the danger, John, inherent in what you’re doing here? Genetic power is the most awesome force the planet’s ever seen, but you wield it like a kid that’s found his dad’s gun.
Donald Gennaro: It’s hardly appropriate to start hurling generalizations…
Dr. Ian Malcolm: If I may… Um, I’ll tell you the problem with the scientific power that you’re using here, it didn’t require any discipline to attain it. You read what others had done and you took the next step. You didn’t earn the knowledge for yourselves, so you don’t take any responsibility for it. You stood on the shoulders of geniuses to accomplish something as fast as you could, and before you even knew what you had, you patented it, and packaged it, and slapped it on a plastic lunchbox, and now
Dr. Ian Malcolm: you’re selling it, you wanna sell it. Well…
Not quite the same spark as any of the discussions from the book. In the book, Malcolm presents a real argument, explaining a real problem. The movie mostly just has him making vague grandiose statements filled with buzzwords.
I love that little intro
Since we can assume that most of Fallen Kingdom will take place on Isla Nublar, I would absolutely love it if we could see Rexy back in (or near) her old paddock where the original breakout scene happened! Now that she's free, I wonder if her territorial instincts would lead her back to her old stomping grounds :)
The Spinosaurs probably just happened not to be around where the humans were or had already eaten a big meal and was not hungry to search out for food.
Personally, I've always seen it as a matter of territory. The jungle of JP III is clearly damper and more humid than the areas where the Lost World takes place, with most of the film taking place in or around various waterways. I'd wager that the T-Rexes have their territory staked in the wider, more temperate plains and the conifer forests, while the Spinosaurus lays claim to the jungle surrounding the waterways. This might also explain why it's attracted to the scent of Rex urine, too, since the Spinosaurus would view the presence of a T-rex as an encroachment. Naturally, their territories do overlap in places (Isla Sorna is a big island, but it's still pretty small compared to the hypothesized range of T-Rex) and fights break out, but the two predators would only seek each other out in what amounts to border skirmishes.
True. Also in the lost world there is a pair bond of two full grown tyrannosaurus who are very protective and territorial of their infant. No way the spino would dare try and pick a fight with not one but two aggressive full grown T-Rex. The one it killed in JP3 was considered to be a juvenile as well.
@@kyleenglot9184 no the one in 3 was a full grown bull. Says it in the script. Even tho it killed the bull it wouldn’t have gone up against two of them
Man adventures to any of these places would be more then epic
I kinda believe that ‘ol Shredder (what I call the Spinosaurus..), like the raptors from the first film, has a deep hatred of humans maybe due to some not so positive experiences in the past when the dinosaurs lived behind bars. Maybe he was around since the beginning, but he was kept in quarantine due to being too dangerous for a park setting. Most would say just because humans tasted good, but why would a giant super predator waste energy chasing down tiny morsels, hellbent on tearing them apart, unless he carries a grudge against said morsels..
Stefan Salvatierra let me tell u why, because its a movie
Stefan Salvatierra i like your analogy
I heard from the special features from Jurassic Park 3 that unlike the T-Rex which is supposed to be as intelligent as a crocodile or an alligator, the spinosaurus was supposed to be not as bright, just more ferocious and more teeth!
Stefan Salvatierra the reason why spino has a hatred for humans is because they first intrude its home and try to shoot it and then later crash into it with a plane, OR, there are actually 2 spinos that lived on the island and it’s mate was killed by the plane soooo...ya but that wouldn’t make sense because spino wasn’t in the ingen list when it comes to making dinosaurs
#spinosaurushasfeelingsto
Extinction Level: Jurassic Park goes with the Spino not being on Sorna at the time of TLW as was just reveiled in episode 12. In EL:JP timeline it was created about a year later, making it 3 years old. A hint at how this dino already had the size it had has already been given in an earlier episode, but will be addressed again later on ;)
Arjan Bos precisely, ingen dinosaurs reach adulthood at 3 years old, that's how old rexy was during the events of Jurassic park.
Viktor Lecter even though this is a 6 month old comment it’s exactly what I’ve been thinking, the Spino(s) were created as island defenses so no one would be stupid enough to go back to sorna on account of two big ass dinosaurs that love water hide in
The second was always my favorite. I thought it was very fun to watch and more action packed with a much cooler set than the third