What Killed the Crew of the SS Venture? - A Lesson in Visual Storytelling
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- čas přidán 28. 09. 2017
- Fan Theories are often debated heavily within the Jurassic Park fan community. Usually with the base splitting in two and supporting a side that supports their own
personal feelings on the series. I want to take this time, to draw attention to a specific theory that needs addressing. This theory has long been debated within
the fandom and one that a relatively large amount of people seem to put faith in. This specific theory will be discussed in full today, and hopefully can be put to
rest for some that have had it long on their minds for the past 20 years. I'm talking about the theory that the crew of the SS Venture was killed by Velociraptors
that stowed away onboard the ship, thus causing the boat to crash into the InGen dock and start the infamous Incident in San Diego. When addressing theories such as
this we need to go directly to the source of the topic, and look at the evidence provided that gives this theory its legs.
This video is all about filmmaking visual storytelling and storytelling filmmakers utilize to make for better films. The example is from Jurassic Park Site B which is not a Jurassic World Chaos Theory but rather a Tyrannosaur Fact as such. This proves why Mommy's Very Angry and also some things about The Lost World Roland Tembo and even The Lost World Dieter though to only a small extent. Its important to note that these are not only Genetically Engineered Dinosaurs but that these are Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom Dinosaurs accompanied with the Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom Tyrannosaurus in what is certainly the Tyrannosaur Revenge against Ludlow. While talking about Jurassic Park Isla Sorna we need to also discuss the possibility of a return with Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom Nick Van Owen even though its unlikely but the Thrasher Tyrannosaurus and Jurassic World Fallen Kingdom Sorna demand a well described description with keywords that will rank high in the search, and thats just what we will do. Have you heard about the Indoraptor yet?
After I'd completed this video and gotten ready to upload it, I actually made an interesting discovery, when I examined a certain piece of concept art more closely.
Even though I just said that there was no way of knowing exactly how this severed hand was cut from the captain's body, it turns out there actually is. In fact in
this exact piece of art, the cabin is shown to have a giant hole torn through it, where the Buck's head would have broken through, and effectively eaten the
poor soul on the other side of the wall. I realize this is a serious fan theory that is talked about very frequently amongst fans, but I can't believe this is the
first time I've actually seen concrete evidence for what factually happened to that bloody hand stuck to the wheel. There it is plain as day. The T-rex really did
break through the wall and eat him! The evidence is at 7:52 and make sure to pause the video and get a good look and check this out for yourselves...I don't think
anyone else in the fandom has caught on to this. 20 years late, but still quite cool! - Zábava
Ok here's a factual rant for those that have clearly missed the point of the movie (this originally was a reply so there'll be quotations but you can take them as thoughts that _you_ might have had).
*"There is NO WAY the T-rex was the one to kill the crew."*
It did.
*"What did it do? Get out by breaking the doors"*
*"Except that in a later scene, when we see inside the hold, we can clearly see there is no cage. Therefore, the hold was supposed to be its cage. Makes sense, considering that the program was for the Rex to be sleeping the whole journey"*
Its cage is _shown_ to be on the deck broken after it breaks out of the cargo hold. As Klayton says in the video, a guard mentions that they used *Naltrexone* to _counter-act_ the effects of the tranquilizer which had sent it into a coma (due to over-dosage). _It become hyper-active as a result and broke out of the cage, killing the crew._
*"kill and eat everyone WITHOUT leaving even a single drop of blood on the bridge, left a single hand on the steering wheel"*
*"OF COURSE there would be loads of blood on the deck!"*
*"Plus, talking about severed limbs, if a T-rex was to bite you, your arm wouldn't be sitting innocently on a steering wheel"*
If they had *showed* the hole as in the concept art at 7:52 then there would be _no ambiguity_ about the hand itself. However, the editor director probably assumed that the _crew's fate would be obvious_ to the audience through the shots shown and the usage of dialogue so there would be no need to show it. Also _to cut down on run-time and avoid an R-Rating._ The T-Rex burst through the side of the wall, trying to eat the Captain who presumably hung onto the steering wheel for his life before it ripped off (along with other parts of his body) onto the floor. It's worth mentioning that we don't see the floor of the cabin either so *don't assume* that there isn't any blood (or remains) on the Bridge. The guard who enters the Bridge answers Ludlow's question of where the crew are with _"all over the place"_ to which he vomits in response.
*"and an arm holding the correct button down"*
We only _see_ the man's arm. Just like how I mentioned about we not seeing any blood on the bridge, it's odd to *assume* that he doesn't have the rest of his body intact because it's obscured by the control panel. It's most likely a full corpse because he's gripping the button tightly (even in death).
*"if what you say was true, there would have been a full body."*
_Why do they need to show his dead body?_ Much like the many deleted scenes in the movie, it would consume run-time. It's also possible that his state, were it shown, would be R-Rated.
*"then went back inside the cage to wait to be released once back in SD"*
*"Why did the T-Rex go back in the cargo hold? And even if it did, who closed the cargo hold once he was inside?"*
The best explanation is that either a surviving crew-member lured the T-Rex down there, or it chased a crew-member down there while one that was fatally injured closed the doors before he died. _As I said, the cage is on deck not in the cargo hold._
*"There are so many holes in the concept of the T-rex being the one killing the crew"*
Just because the movie omits the presence of blood, body parts, and other gruesome remains of the eaten crew-members doesn't mean that the T-Rex didn't kill them. Before releasing the T-Rex, a guard's footprints are shown to be caked in blood as well. It's the only logical explanation (see above). If you're going to mention the hand again, see 7:52 once again and that giant hole in the Bridge's wall.
*"Also, remember that on the boat there are the "bad guys" of the movie. Both that, and them being normal human beings and not protagonists, precludes them ever wanting to sacrifice themselves to save the rest of the crew."*
So because they're working for or with the company (or were simply hired for the job of transport) who are meant to the be the 'bad guys' then that somehow makes impossible the notion of self-sacrifice because they're not the protagonists but normal people? Normal people aren't capable of sacrifice too? _Your logic is flawed._
*"Exactly because seeing is believing"*
_Seeing is believing? That is very flawed logic._ We wouldn't have allusion, references, hints, clues, or ways for the audience/reader to figure it out ourselves otherwise. There wouldn't be self-explanation or imagination for things because they are guilty of the sin of omission and therefore cannot be true or trusted because as you say "Seeing is believing."
*"I will never believe that the Rex killed the crew."*
*"My only argument is that there is no way the Rex was the one who ate the crew. That's all. I don't care what "really happened". All I care about is people using some logic and realizing there is no way things happened in the way we were told they happened."*
_Your attitude towards this really makes it difficult for others to actually convince you that you are wrong._ You speak with the mind of one who'll refuse to see anything else because you absolutely believe you are right, despite evidence to the contrary. You *warp* the use of logic to make it look like you are right, as well as indirectly jabbing at others who may be right by calling their arguments illogical because you refuse to believe or be persuaded by them. Granted, most of the comments I've seen in reply to your opinion would lend credibility to your opinion as they either suggest other theories (such as the debunked raptor one), agree with you, insult you, or don't put forward a convincing argument. For that I forgive you.
_However, if you don't care about what really occurred then that is a problem isn't it?_ Your previous questions as to how could the T-Rex have killed the crew and ended up in the cargo hold *suggest* a frustration through the lack of a good answer and that you _do_ want to know why it happened (or why they showed it the way they did). But, if you're not willing to hear the answer because as you say, you'll never believe that the T-Rex killed the crew or that you don't care how it 'really happened', then there's no point in arguing because you won't be persuaded otherwise. *_You obviously prefer conspiracy theories (such as the shady organization that you mention) and fan-theories so I'll put it bluntly. You. Are. Wrong._*
*Edit:* Replaced amphetamine with Naltrexone (which was the drug they used, not amphetamine) and also fixed a few grammar mistakes.
This. Comment. Is. Golden. Pinning this! Thank you for the excellent logic and reasoning skills presented! I'm preparing an entire video dedicated to The Lost World's criticisms and have to use this level of deductive reasoning and logical thinking to combat confirmation bias and irrational subjectivity thrown at the film. I greatly appreciate this intelligent response!
> *"I don't care what "really happened". All I care about is people using some logic and realizing there is no way things happened in the way we were told they happened."*
That sounds like an ad hominem of @Unslaadahsil's comment to me. Not that I disagree with your points but still.
I didn't really believe the theory of the T-Rex because to me it sounded impossible, but after reading this entire comment--yes, entire comment--I am now open to that possibility more closely. Kudos to you.
that took Time to write
Nate royer But it makes sense.
Obviously, it was raptors. They snuck into the ship when no one was looking. killed the crew and escaped into San Diego during the confusion. Where they established themselves to this day as a feared street gang Los Raptoros.
insertjjs LMAO
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They started a biker gang, known as...... The Tunnel Snakes.
Tunnel Snakes rule!
Nobody goes into the Raptor part of town, which is colloquially known as "The Long Grass".
When I was a kid I always thought the baby rex killed them
The baby rex was on a plane (or was it a helicopter i cant remember) to san diego and got there before daddy
Lol
When I was a T Rex I thought a baby did it
... I still think that lol
I always thought it was raptors or those flying ones lol
See the only thing that confused me about this when I was younger was that it didn't look like everything was completely destroyed. I honestly didn't see how the T-Rex that big would be able to get around and eat everybody without the entire ship looking absolutely destroyed
Exactly what I thought. I still don’t see how that occurred with the ship looking fine when we know the trex breaks through walls
To add how did the large dino get into the bridge of the ship? How would it even get its head in, there were no windows broken
@@adamfam7183 the pinned comment on this video explains this but in short they cut the scene of showing the hole in the bridge (it was in some concept art) to save run time and to not show all the gore to give the movie a R rating
@@adamfam7183 How we see the severed hand is the POV of the T-rex attacking that man. The missing hole inside the deck is supposed to be in front of Ludlow when he's standing in front of us, the spectators, and sees the hand. Another possibility is that the hole is just in the floor of the bridge and that could explain why the hand holds the grip tightly pointing up (see 7:36) as if the dead crew man was holding his grip to avoid falling to the lower part of the boat and would explain why Ludlow or his guard partner didn't enter into the center of the bridge to search more evidence (because there's no floor where the hand is).
@@ethanhensley9355 I had never seen that thank you
It is worth mentioning that in the books, there are Raptors on the ships. (I believe it's the original Jurassic Park where this is depicted)
yes the kids spot them on the ship leaving with alan after escaping the t rex.
Yes, this is correct. In the first book, Tim saw these raptors on ship that would go tp the mainland.
What if in the movie the Raptors jumoed into the T-Rex cabin and Buck ate them? I mean it was slightly open and Raptors could definitely fit there
I just read the book again after binging all six movies (what a week!) and I want to clarify something:
the raptors that Tim spots on the boat are juveniles- I want to say two of them. they're hiding from the crew and aren't actually a threat to anyone. the danger is in letting them escape to the mainland and having them mature into dangerous predators. plus, there's an implication that this has happened before.
either way, it's more of a plot device that gives Lex, Tim, and Alan a ticking clock for getting back to the main facility, and has nothing to do with what happens in The Lost World.
just putting that out there
@@pikarari The raptors would still be juveniles at the age Muldoon mentions they would be lethal. I forget the age but I think it was 8 months.
The captain got so scared that he just said "Fuck this place!" and took off so fast he left his hand behind. Mystery solved.
🤣🤣 better than what the writers will give us...
🤣🤣🤣
😂
No the captain just felt like playing a prank
Moral of the story: Dont do drugs, kids. You'll escape containment and kill the crew of a ship.
Trex: I'm on drugs
Crew:we're idiots
That makes me WANT to do drugs
lol true words
From watching the film, it's clear the intent is for the audience to assume the Rex, however the scene raises a huge number of questions.
First off, the entire crew is dead which makes no sense if it was the work of the Rex. The crew on deck and in the cargo hold might have been fair game, but the engine room, crew quarters, etc. would have been safe from something the size of a Rex.
Secondly, they are well aware the Rex should be on board but they don't seem to react as though the "off-screen" carnage and damage is the work of the Rex. They seem to assume it's still asleep or went overboard at best, though there's no indication they fear the Rex to be lost.
The result is a scene that, at best, feels like it was meant to be tied into a later reveal which was ultimately cut. At worst, it's something akin to a plot hole, with the scene raising questions that can't be answered with the narrative. I like to think it was meant as a setup for _Jurassic Park 3_ that simply never got any follow through.
I completely agree, and they picked up from that plot hole at the beginning of JP3 with another mysterious boat attack.
Then why was its cage damaged, as well as the cargo hold?
While your comment is 2 years old and I haven't watched the movie in months, I don't believe they confirmed that the WHOLE crew was dead. Otherwise how would Sarah found out that the Rexs heart had stopped and they had to give it drugs to get it pumping again? If the WHOLE crew was dead how would anyone of known that? So you're probably right about areas the Rex couldn't get to and in turn some of the crew was able to hide until they got to their destination
@@kaylamontoya2264 They could have called the mainland about it before the trex went berserk. Haven't watched it in a while but IIRC the movie also said the whole crew was dead.
This was so creepy for me as a kid, seeing the dead hand holding the remote.
same for me too
powerful imagery ≠ good visual storytelling
(not criticizing you, just making a point)
Harbor Master: "Skipper SS Venture, this is InGen Harbor Master, do you copy? Over."
T-Rex: "Buuuurp."
hahaha this comment actually elevates the scene
Oh man. It's been some time since a comment has made me laugh so hard. Thanks for that. ✌
ohhhh shiiit
What if nothing killed them and their bodies just did that
Joe C. Nu
How would that even happen
@@ozfb The Thing!
Ngl this is what I think happened to my dad
Lol
(3 years later) I think it's pretty obvious that this entire scene was tacked on and there is no answer to this question. The cabin would be demolished if a T Rex were the one to kill whoever had their hand on the wheel. Raptors would have attacked those who boarded. There is no answer to this because, well, they needed the boat to crash. Spielberg is a fantastic director, but he's also notorious for overriding logic/reality for a great visual. For him, who cares what killed the people? The people are dead, crash the boat!
PS: I've been binging your videos and, man, you really love Jurassic Park lol. You make great vids, keep it up!
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yep, pretty much
I don't like people making excuses for this and then turning around and nitpicking every little thing about the Jurassic World series. it reeks of obvious bias and makes any other opinion provided by the author impossible to take seriously
Raptors could have jumped off the ship when they saw the rex was trying to break out. They knew they would not fare very well against the tyrant lizard king and the best option for them was to flee.
This is also true, or the raptor(s) could have received a lethal gunshot wound while attacking the humans and went off to a corner of the ship to bleed out.
Frankly, it's an insult to the intelligence of the audience for Steven to think that we are too stupid to see the plot holes in this hastily written scene.
Bad writing killed the crew
Or bad setting designs. I thought it was supposed to be the Rex that killed everyone, but the body placements and such didn't make sense.
Pretty much. From watching the film, it's clear the intent is for the audience to assume the Rex, however the scene raises a huge number of questions. First off, the entire crew is dead which makes no sense if it was the work of the Rex. The crew on deck and in the cargo hold might have been fair game, but the engine room, crew quarters, etc. would have been safe from something the size of a Rex. Secondly, they are well aware the Rex should be on board but they don't seem to react as though the "off-screen" carnage and damage is the work of the Rex. They seem to assume it's still asleep or went overboard at best, though there's no indication they fear the Rex to be lost.
The result is a scene that feels like it was meant to be tied into a secret, post credit, reveal of it being the work of raptors.
@@ArtumTsumia It would be pretty funny if the Rex fell overboard.
Anyone else think the raptors in JP2 look the coolest/scariest? I love their orange colouration.
I don't like the Orange but I respect your opinion
I personally prefered jp3 raptors but the Lost world Jurassic park are My top 2
100%.....they were less cunning and were more like brutes!
I like the male raptors from JP3 in my opinion
I like the Jp3 raptors more
The darts that Eddie had that would "kill you instantly" were filled with the venom of a coneshell sea snail.
The carfentanil darts that Roland shot the rex with were different darts brought by ingen.
Indeed. That was a mistake on my part.
Gotcha
it does feel like it would make more sense for there to have been raptors too tbh as a ship has a big crew and small tunnels, if it got loose its hard to imagine not even one person was able to survive by hiding in the engine room or something
“the Rouge Tyrannosaurus rex that was high on amphetamines”
And I thought a sober T-Rex was bad...
"Rouge"? The T-Rex used rouge makeup on its cheeks? Didn't see it.
"Welcome, to Mulin Rogue"
at least it wsant a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus!
I always thought the scene was a shout-out to Dracula where the ship that was transporting his coffin to England crashed on the dock and the whole crew was already dead
Yeah always hated how much of a pvss¥ the captain was
That is exactly what i think.
Ya, you explained visual storytelling fine...but you neglected to mention some painfully obvious things, like how did a T-rex eat the ship's pilot inside the cabin (except the guy's arm on the steering wheel) without destroying the entire cabin of the ship, and why was this guy still trying to steer the ship, not hiding or running did the effing tyrannosaur sneak up on him quietly? And how did the severed arm attached to the cargo hold manage to press the button AFTER its owner was eaten, THEN the dino went (or was forced) back into the hold ? Also, there were NO crew below deck in any of the ship's quarter's? NOT one person? Every single person came up on deck and ran around until they got eaten, because we know for sure the 20 ton dino didn't squeeze down into the crew quarter's through 5 foot doors.
mistert791979 Took the words out of my mouth
You know, I always assumed the arm was severed. I could have sworn I remembered it being severed. I just went back and watched the scene where they took the button out of the dead crew member's hand, and the way he handles the arm looks much more like it's attached to a body. I agree that he must have just been mortally wounded, but had enough life left to operate the button once the rex returned to the hold.
I agree with the rest of the points though. The wheelhouse should be destroyed, and there should be at least one cowardly crew member that hid out below deck. Hell, I'd be that guy.
mistert791979 t.rex weighed 7 tons not 20 that's way to large.
Why do we assume that the Rex would go through the door? All it had to do was make a hole big enough for its head.
And about the arm connected to the switch...there is no evidence that it was severed. It never showed the other side. We can't assume that it was just an arm because the officer who removed the button could've easily lifted the arm.
I don’t think a guy who got attacked by a T-Rex would have a “dying breath” to push that button with, how would a T-Rex injure someone without killing them outright, while a raptor could take a swipe, get distracted and attack someone else
so i just rewatched The Lost World, one thing i've noticed that no one else has mentioned (out of the few videos i've researched) is after the ship crashes into the dock and everyone starts to board it from the starboard side, at time marker 1:45:05, you can hear personal exclaiming, "Odd damage up top, got broken walls" so as the crew door they enter is on the port side of the ship, so personal can see that there is damage and "broken" walls at the top of the ship where the Wheel Room was.
As for the arms and lack of bodies/blood, well if you were trying to hide and got grabbed, i'm sure you wouldn't fit fully into the dinosaurs mouth and some limbs would be left out as it crunches down on you, and once then, your arm would be full of blood pressure as you were trying to keep hold of whatever it is, and over time, as the pressure was released since your arm was bitten off, it would "relax" thus the hanging arm on the steering wheel. as for the arm that was holding the door controller, all we see is an arm, and a guard pulled the controller from the hand, if it was just an arm, he probably would have just picked the whole thing up, but you can see the arm still had weight to it, and was still attached to a body. Jurassic Park likes to keep the movie family friendly and hides some of the gruesome deaths/mutilations so perhaps the body was just so mangled, they hid it behind the control box. thus the blood pressure didn't get relieved like the severed arm did.
How the T-Rex got out attacked and got back into it's cargo hold, well, i kind of assume the T-Rex killed everyone, or thought it did, and since it ate, needed another nap, and since the cargo hold is big enough to hold it, it decided to go to sleep. The "hand" you see trying to close the cargo hold, could have been the last survivor who died due to his wounds and was in the process of closing the hold when he died.
anyway, i know this is an old post, and due to being locked in, i'm re-watching old videos i liked and looking at theories from Jurassic Park, i figured i'd put my 2 cents in on how i see things happened.
Good catch! Great assessment on limbs being left over as people try to hide, though I don't agree with the blood pressure thing. Instead the reason the arms are still holding onto things is rigor mortis which stiffens and fixes muscles in place shortly after death. In fact rigor mortis lasts about 72 hours which is consistent with how long the trip from Isla Sorna to San Diego would be according to James Wilkins comments under his pinned post. Anyway it's nice to find someone watching this video around the same time as me so I can reply to comments that weren't made years ago!
@@Billy-rz1jg yeah i was just trying to look at it a different way, but don't fully agree with it myself, and think Rigor Mortise is the correct way to see it.
At 1:58:24 when Ian runs across the deck and you look from the cargo towards the bridge, you see the smashed cage of the T rex on the deck and behind you see the undamaged bridge. Again at 1:58:37 Sarah hauling the Tranq gun has moved through the bridge and positions herself at the left (port side) of the bridge. No damages seen.
Visually it just doesn't add up that the Rex smashed through the bridge to gnaw on the captain/helmsman. But it may just be about saving bucks on set and instead of damaging a ship or making a set piece, they just counted on the audience to make the connection that the Rex killed them and not question the specifics. Sadly it didn't work for me and since we have this topic at all, it didn't for a lot of people either.
@@m.r.r.2636 also at the end where they show the cargo ship being escorted back with the fleet of navy ships (on the news) it doesn’t appear to show any damage to the bridge. I doubt they used a different ship and would risk danger while transferring the recently sedated TRex.
I’m still thinking it was raptors but we all know how the trex likes to fling raptors around. I can imagine a scene where raptors end up attacking the crew soon after The TRex is given the medication to wake up. Like if a crew of people administers the medicine and soon after they do so raptors begin attacking them on the deck and in the engine control room. Then the Rex wakes up and fights off the raptors and flings them out into the ocean and whatnot (since we know that’s how Rexy handled the 2 raptors at the end of Jurassic park.) finally one dying guy manages to close the cargo bay doors while the Rex climbs down probably chasing after people trying to hide and ends up dying while holding the control button.
There is no way that boat was still useable to take the T rex back to the island.. I mean look at it..it smashes into the docks.. The t rex somehow killed everybody on board (no idea how) but certainly would have caused extensive damage inside the boat and cabin..Heck look at the cargo doors here they can't even shut properly they're broken then the T rex literally smashes the cargo doors open no doubt breaking them even more yet when the T rex is back those doors shut perfectly? And the ship works perfectly fine still? No way it's impossible, why Spielberg included the last 15 minutes of this movie I will never know. The rest of the movie is amazing just not the ending
As ex-Navy, I can testify that there are tons of sealable compartments on any ship where you would be safe from any dinosaur. These include the engine compartment where you could stop the engine and the damage control center where you can stop the engines and radio the coast guard.
The plothole still stands.
I think the director just wanted to do a sh1tty reference to dracula
P.s. never understood why the captain didnt sink the ship,but decided to play bondage with the wheel,but I guess the novel would have ended really short🤔
I would have sink myself along with the ship
Also there must be pretty big crew on the ship, and some members - under the deck, in totally safe rooms at any moments of a cruise. And at the same time - there must be like only 4? 5? crew members on the deck and control room. So yes, the plothole still stands.
@@user-gp7rr3ll5f Also, when out to sea, ships have to maintain material conditions. Watertight doors can be opened but have to be closed behind you to protect against flooding. No dinosaur would get very far without being able to open those doors.
Another safe space on this ship would be emergency steering back aft. Any competent seamen would be able to have this ship going in circles while waiting for help.
Just cuz theres places to hide under deck doesnt mean you would die either by getting eaten or from the crash cuz nobody is in control of the ship or getting eaten by realizing this and attempting to come up and gain control. Also it's a 90s movie and movies arent all foolproof. I wouldnt say the plothole stands just cuz theres places to hide. It doesnt really have any correlation with what happened
@@madmagboy 1. No dinosaur would be able to access every part of the ship because almost every door on a ship is locked closed when out to sea (to limit possible flooding).
2. Rooms like the engine room, emergency steering, anchor windlass and damage control center are manned 24hrs a day and they're locked closed. You can stop the ship from any of those rooms and wait for the coast guard.
The plot hole still stands. Who ever wrote that plot has clearly never been on a large ship out to sea and and it sounds like neither have you.
How is the T-rex going to be able to kill all of the crew with minimal damage to key hiding and compact areas?
Exactly, if it was T Rex who had caused all the damage, there would definitely be survivors. It’s a ship, so it has many rooms and tight spaces where T Rex couldnt even see. The thing that killed everybody had to be human size, something that could check every floor and room
Because it didn’t.
I think the answer to all of this is that it was meant to be the Rex, they just didn't do a very good job with this part of the film.
@@gre894 Like the velociraptor.
@@jessecrump1424 But there were no velociraptors there.
It was obviously Chuck Norris because he was trying to free his pet the T-Rex
I can't argumnet something aganist that logic
Obviously
The hand was from when he round house kicked someone and their hand was left behind.
Raakin Hassan Abdulla its a joke dummy
😁😂😆😃
I've always thought it was the rex but I'm more confused about how the crewmates in the wheel of the ship didn't make sense.
because it's bad visual storytelling and Klayton has no idea what he's talking about
@@pikarari But he does though, it's the lack of proper visual storytelling here that's the issue. We have clues, but not enough of the grand picture for a complete idea on what happened.
Wasn’t there a crewman that survived the attack by hiding in a locker and he was the one explaining what happened with the T-Rex? I think that was in one version of the the script.
Correct
@@unseen-ghost was it?🤨
A little late to the party, just want to add my two cents from what is visually seeable in the entire ship scene:
The T.Rex cage is on the ship deck itself. If the rex cage is on the deck, then that means the cargo bay is not meant to hold the rex during transportation. Aka, the rex should never have been there. This is further illustrated by two things, first of which is the cage itself seems to be broken, and secondly, the main "antagonist" who runs the entire company orders his people to check the cargo bay in case there might be crew alive down there. He would never have given that order if the cargo bay was actually the place where they were supposed to keep the T.Rex. Meaning, it never should have been there.
Other visuals include a lot of destruction on the deck itself, metal parts that have been torn off and thrown around, the kind of damage that could not have been caused by anything other than the rex.
All this factually indicates that the Rex at some point broke out of its cage on the deck, caused a lot of destruction to the ship deck itself, killed most of the crew (we still don't know if anyone survived, nobody got to check the entire ship before the rex ventured into the city), and finally the rex somehow ended up in the cargo bay. I imagine that the most likely case would be that some crewmembers opened the bay and tried to run down and hide, and the rex followed them. Someone (an injured person who possibly bled to death or succumbed to internal damage) closed the cargo bay after the rex went down.
People complain that the rex could not have gotten into the ship bridge and eaten that guy, but we are never shown much of the bridge, only one part of it. On the other hand, the two people who go to investigate the bridge enters through the door, but they leave by going through the front (the side that the camera films from). This part is typically closed off (as it is where you have frontal vision from the bridge), so them going out this way clearly indicates that the entire front end is ripped open (it is also the side that faces towards the rex cage. Coincidence? I think not.). Clearly shows that the rex burst through the front of the bridge, bit the captain right off in one go, leaving only his arms locked in a panic muscle retraction around the wheel. No other animal could have done this, only the rex.
After the rex goes into the cargo bay (likely following some fleeing crew members down there), and the bay is shut on it, it would most likely have come to rest. This is a common effect on animals that you calm them by blindfolding them or otherwise blocking their vision to keep out visual distraction and interference. It would likely have calmed the rex enough to stay here for the rest of the journey. Suddenly, the ship collides with the harbour, and it hears many voices and frantic shouting on top of the deck, which lures it up once again.
You might question, why they even had this huge cargo bay if it wasn't to keep the rex there. Well, originally they were meant to bring a lot of dinosaurs, and the cargo bay was most likely meant for all the other animals. Most of the other dinosaurs were herbivores too, so it would be a good idea to separate them from the rex. Also, the rex was the main attraction, so it would make sense to have it visually in the front and out in the open for people to see when the ship would arrive. Also being the first dinosaur they'd want to relocate into the dino zoo, it would be most logical to have it on the deck itself close to the off-loading area. Yet again, the rex was never supposed to be in the cargo bay, but it ended up there anyway, which states that it at some point broke its cage, went rampage on top of the deck before it got there.
T.Rex killed all the people, case closed.
I know this is an old topic but you are actually incorrect with one detail, although I agree with the rest.
First, the entirety of the bridge is completely visible when it is crashing through the jetty; at this point, you can see that it has literally zero external damage. Also, the camera shoots from the port side, across to the starboard entrance, not the front; then the security officer actually steps towards the back of the bridge, again, not the front. (There are doors there and there actually may have been a staircase leading below deck from there. It's very common). To add to this detail, you said the cage was to the front of the bridge, but the bridge is located on the bow (the front) of the ship, and the cage is on the deck BEHIND it. This spot is where the dead guy is holding the cargo door control, and there is no damage there either, which is where Ian is also standing.
So as most people say, the dead crew INSIDE the bridge at this point still makes no logical sense and although it will likely never be properly answered, we can still make our own assumptions with what little information we have.
As I said though, I agree with the luring of the rex into the hold, where at first it probably attempted escape (hence the reason those doors were broken and partially peeled open), but then it eventually calmed down and rested down there.
There is actually a cut-scene (in storyboard form) that was auctioned off last year. It was spine chillingly scary. The scene took place on the island rather than on the ship, it appears. This was probably before they decided to do the San Diego ending. Scene goes like this -
T-Rex is caged and unconscious as we saw in the film. A gust of wind blows a bunch of papers that the veterinarian tries to gather. One of the sheets lands on the sleeping Rex's eye. At a distance, there is a pulse monitor that is mapping the heart rate of the T-Rex which appears to be normal. The crew member who is supposed to keep a watch on the monitor is sleeping. The pulse becomes stronger. The vet removes the paper from the Rex's left eye and doesn't notice the eyes are open.
Pulse beat becomes very strong. Worker wakes up with a jolt, realises what has happened and fumbles with the controls. T-Rex is fully awake! Worker tries to slam the Buck's head down to the ground with the bulldozer arm; it shatters the muzzle. They try to restrain the Rex with a forklift but accidentally punctures the the Rex's back, causing it immense pain. The cage breaks. T-Rex gradually finds footing and rises. We know what happened next...
Seeing as the Rex is also restrained in 'Fallen Kingdom,' i hope they film that scene this time. It'd be incredibly scary if shot well.
Any photos of this scene?
I saved the pics from the auction. Couldn't afford it though. There is no way to attach photos on CZcams to comments, or I would have posted them here.
Upload it on tumblr or google docs or dropbox... there are many ways if you would really had pictures...But you cant upload what didnt exist
@@utthapa why not provide proof? You've had a year to upload them somewhere and post a link.
@@TJ.85, I shared it on a Twitter thread -
twitter.com/JhnReed/status/969109713232244738
I always believed the picture of the raptor in the unknown room was supposed to be what Nick Van Owen was doing while waiting for the InGen helicopter. Lonely man with a flashlight, where a Raptor appears and the only time we see Raptors are right before they leave the island. What I believe the photo was, was a concept art for when Van Owen was looking at the mural before going to the radio, and a Raptor would be hunting him. But then they changed it too where the mural was closer to the front door, instead of in a different room, and saved the Raptor surprise for Malcolm, Sara, and Kelly.
That hand in the cabin has always bugged me since the first time I saw it. I still don't believe that the trex would have done it since the cabin itself looks small and closed off, so if the trex went through a wall out of our view, there should have been rubble/destruction shown at least in the shot. But ye, thats just my thoughts on it.
Theres a pretty big hole in the bridge mate
The lack of any damage to the wheelhouse (or the ship as a whole) really destroys visual storytelling as an argument for this theory. Sure, it's possible that the rex ripped out a wall or something and bit that guy so hard that only his severed hand remained on the helm, and it's possible that through tricky camera angles that the damage somehow managed to stay offscreen the entire time, but why would a director telling a visual story go so completely out of his way to hide that?
Either this scene was so poorly written that they simply never thought of how a giant animal could pull this off, or it was never intended to be a rex that killed everyone.
Also, in the books, raptors were stowaways on ships. Just sayin.
" but why would a director telling a visual story go so completely out of his way to hide that?"
Budget. And yes, it is bad visual storytelling.
For starters, they should have just left the hull open - what purpose does keeping it locked in serve- besides confusing audiences as to who killed the crew? It was down there sleeping before the impact. When they go aboard, it emerges. Simple. They undermine logic just to give the hero another "i'm smarter than you moops" moment.
Good movie
jurassic park movies are full of that. In the first film how the hell did the T-Rex make it into the main lobby with no structure damaged. Also there is a scene where the raptor is pushing up a vent with his head and looking around then falls out of the vent and then has to jump to get back up to the vent and is still like 5 feet short of the vent makes no sense what so ever unless part of the gap in the genes is the ability to rapidly grow or shrink.
truemadmanmatrix There’s actually a HUGE open area still being constructed that the Trex could simply just walk into.
@@MadManMatrix yep its why you see the clear plastic "curtains" in the scene it's part of the construction materials and was shown off even more in jurassic Park the game.
But the real question is.. what killed the dinosaurs?
THE ICE AGE!
FREEZE IN HELLLLLLLLL 😂
I mean to be honest even if the dinosaurs were dead long long ago before the ice age
The ice age would have oblitoraited dinosaurs I mean really really extinction heack there are some rumors that an ice age could have occurred after the comet hit that resulted in the oblitoraition of all dinos since they were cold blooded animals prolonged winter would mean certain death us humans survived because 1 we developed the adladel (a pseudo bow if you like) and we skinned the fur of the mamouths and wouly rhino's keeping us warm
P. S I would like to add that during this period the neantherthales were not a sub species but a above species then ours they were faster stronger and had bigger brains than homo saipians (they weren't really smarter than us there were the same actually) but their big phisic and homo saipians inginios plan to shoot pointy stick from very far away and not risk injury and high reward low risk made homo saipians champions of hunting while neantherthales while good at hunting they always lost a member or 2 in hunting eventually we out starved them and out bread them? There are some rumors that homo neantherthalies women had specific seasons when they could have get pregnant while homo saipians women well they were like today every season could get pregnant so outnumbering them and starving them eventually they died and some mates with us but very very few
Cool party.
Allow me to break the ice...
Victor Bruant good joke
My theory is that it’s just lazy story telling. The movie should of never went to San Diego anyways.. Should of ended on the island, besides the ending it was a good movie..
Zack Hartley couldn’t have said it better myself.
I loved the San Diego part the most. Seeing Sarah and Ian baiting the Trex through their domain was so fun to see. Also, the scene where Ian was looking at the cargo doors and Sarah turning back was phenomenal.
Aleks Dreeve It was just silly in my opinion, did not make any sense. Changed the whole feel of the movie.
@@zackhartley4718 yeah Spielberg decided during the filming to add that in. That's why it felt like that.
@@parisjones2875 I feel like Fallen Kingdom took HEAVY inspiration and some might say that it copied the Lost World in terms of its story except this time ALL the dinos escaped and they didnt control them properly
I like it. I assumed that the dart in Eddie Carr's rifle was intended to be lethal, turns out the venom of conus purpurascens (the shell he mentions the mix is derived from) contains conantokin-p. Which aside from toxcicity, inhibits motor control in many animals) the detail they went into over a dart 20 years ago is nuts but fallen kingdom and world can't be consistent with a map....
I don't buy it... that ship had plenty of places to hid and get away from the T. rex...
yeah. This seems insane to me. the whole ship would be a wreck if it somehow was busting through steel to get everyone
The rest of the crew probably jumped overboard. Or they locked themselves bellow deck somewhere and were too afraid to come out. We are not shown or told that everyone died. They didn't get to explore the entire ship by the time the rex broke through the door.
@the wooly
Either way i think it was a poor move to not show more. Either way raptors (which was originally in the writing) or rex we are expected to accept a lot of incompetence.
And i think a reasonable crew would be able to have most people survive, either way it appears the animals killed everyone but didn't eat all of the bodies? Somehow a guy was wounded but survived to put them back in the cage??? i can't name anyone who has ever been mauled and lived in any of the movies. They failed to SOS.
Well they couldn't really hide since someone has to control the ship. Even if someone hid they would come to the realization that they have to control the ship at some point, and they probably tried but died in the process. Most probably went over board or something, and only a few remained and tried to retake control. I would watch a mini movie of the events of the SS Venture.
MrSirFluffy dude that’s a great idea,Make it a 40 minute film and explain what happened, Have Spielberg direct or executive produce
5:47 - you kind of messed up at this point of the video, Klayton.
The darts that Roland used on the Rex were animal tranquilizers, loaded with Carfentanil - common for Animal Tranquilizers - that were brought by the Hunters.
The Gatherer's Team however actually brought Lethals; because Ian was largely concerned about safety more than completing Hammond's photo-record project. The Darts that Eddy was using were loaded with the Venom of the South-Sea Cone-shell; the most powerful neurotoxin in the world.
When he said the "Animal goes down before it feels the prick of the dart," he's talking about it *dying*.
Easily followed up on, considering that when Ian DOES ask about a possible antidote, Eddy points out how within 1/2000th of a second of being injected would be far too late; you'd be dead before you even realized you'd be shot...
This, conus purpurea, one of the deadliest substances in the earth
yep time wasting video by an idiot who couldnt even pay attention to the movie.
Yes
yeah plus carfentanyl and other fentanyl derivatives are extremely powerful, but you wouldn't be "dead before you hit the ground" if you were hit by a fentanyl dart. The fent works by slowing/stopping your breathing and it would take a minute or two for you to die, plenty of time for someone to administer narcan. So I believe the darts must have had a powerful non opioid neurotoxin in them that had no antidote. You can always reverse carfentanyl with narcan provided the patients heart is still beating, it might take a few narcan shots/sprays but it'll work.
Klayton has absolutely no idea what he's talking about in basically any respect. This video is kind of embarrassing.
when you play the lego Jurassic Park in thw back of the ss venture there are little carnivores in the game which attack u, what i thought this meant was that they put smaller carnivores in the ship and they too escaped and may have caused damaged to crew members within the ship which the t-rex could not attack and but it could just be there so that the lego characters have an opponent
*le gasp* I play that! 👀
After I played that level I actually concluded that they were killed by Trodons.
What if a lone Raptor snuck onto the ship, killed that guy with his hand on the steering wheel and maybe some other guys to, and then when the T. rex was done with all its killing it killed and ate the velociraptor
This has always been my thought. either they hopped off while near the island or got gobbled up by the Rex
Doesn't explain the hand on the door button, the broken door, or the fly in my souffle
Damn I just posted that theory before scrolling down and see this 😑
And what if a Raptor killed the crew, hid away and escaped and in the next Jurassic World movie Blue is going to be a mommy?
@@IdleLancer that would be lit
The darts Eddie is showing Ian Malcolm are not tranquilizers, or used on the Rex. It's stated right there in the scene that it's venom from a South Sea coneshell, that's incredibly fast acting and lethal.
And while it's an example of visual storytelling in The Lost World, it's a poorly executed one. I'm sure the intention was that the Rex killed the crew, but they did so by showing remains laying in small, enclosed areas with no sign of the Rex battering it's way in.
I've never heard anyone say it was the Raptors because of concept art, in fact, only that the crew were killed in places where the Rex couldn't fit without tearing open. Which then prompts speculation that it was something smaller on board.
I was just going to mention the difference between Eddies darts and the tranquilizers.
Seriously! Like how a man's hand was left on the wheel of the ship in the helm, but the helm is completely intact. I still think there's no way it could have been the rex itself.
Carfentanyl is a narcotic. The reversal agent (narcan) naloxone, is what was used to throw the animal into a narcoleptic state. My compliments on your attention to Eddy’s scene regarding the darts. I was about to fact check but had luckily found your comment instead. Nice
Also while it might "kill a man before he hit the ground" I doubt it would have the same effect on a Gigantic reptile/amphibian hybrid as a mid size mammal.
Since it was their primary defense against any dinosaur attacks, i would assume that the dosage of the neurotoxin in the dart was sufficient to kill the larger predators*. Eddie was attempting to grab the rifle shortly before his death after all.
* That they knew about. I would say they believed it was sufficient to combat species like the Rex in an emergency, but we know from Jurassic Park 3 that there were other species on the island that Ingen didn't make public.
ON THE ISSUE OF THE SEVERED HAND IN THE WHEELHOUSE - The concept drawing which we see at the 7:52 mark of this video does indeed show a large hole in the front of the superstructure, presumably big enough for the T-Rex to stick its head into the wheelhouse and chomp the poor soul(s) inside. However, I see two flaws with this piece of evidence. First, if the Rex came at the helmsman from the front, as the concept drawing would have us believe, then there would likely have been visual damage to the helm itself, as it would've been between the person and the T-Rex. In the film, no such damage can be seen. Second, and perhaps most damning of all, the superstructure of the SS Venture is shown as being more or less undamaged in the actual film. There is no hole anywhere to be seen. If the writers and powers that be behind The Lost World insist that no raptors were on board the Venture, then we really ought to take their word for it. However, that still leaves the final film with several major visual and set design oversights.
ON THE ISSUE OF THE TRANQUILIZER DARTS - The darts that Roland shoots the T-Rex with are NOT the poison darts that Eddie brought. Early in the film, Eddie explains to Ian that he loaded his darts with enhanced South Sea Cone Shell venom, which according to him is the most powerful neurotoxin in the world. However, when the T-Rex escapes from the Venture, an InGen worker tells Sarah that the darts Roland shot it with contained carfentanil, a synthetic opioid typically used as a general anesthetic for large animals. In other words, exactly what you'd expect to find in a tranquilizer dart. If Roland had been using Eddie's neurotoxic darts, the T-Rex would've dropped dead on the spot.
thank you...
That always bothered me.. I wonder if Eddie was lying or somehow the Rex survived
Old comment but: FYI, the photo at 7:50 shows the hole in the BACK on the wheel house, not the front, so would be consistent with what the theory suggests
The biggest stumbling block in this scene is a severed hand holding onto the steering wheel of the ship with no obvious damage to the cabin and the trex unable to get inside such a small area.
Here's a question. How the hell did the boat stay on course perfectly to impact the dock.
I think this is what should of happened. There's a thick fog that night (cliche I know). Everyone is waiting at the peer for the boat excited, news reporters, government officials and others await eagerly for the trex. Boss man strides around in confidence shaking people's hands and talking with potential investors. He can smell the ink on the checks that would land on his desk, making him one of the richest men in the world. All that has to happen is for these people to see the beast and he'll be talked about for the next 6 months
But, the boat doesn't arrive. After a while people start to get uneasy. The main boss reassures them that being on time isn't guaranteed, no matter what you pay people. Give his crew some credit, they'll arrive, late or not. So the people keep waiting, trying to convince themselves nothing is wrong. And they wait, and wait, and wait some more. Finally in frustration the boss asks a dock worker.
"Where the hell is my boat?"
"Last anyone heard they hit some rough seas and some of their equipment got damaged. They said that their comms might go out. That was a few hours ago."
Boss swears in frustration, away from the onlookers. One of partners ask why they didn't have any other ships follow it or try to meet it.
Boss man looks him the eye with a look of worry. "Would have expanded the budget unessarily.... I'm not like my uncle I can't spare no expense." The boss goes on to try to rationalize his position. The crew was the best money could buy, they had procedures and they were instructed to keep the rex sedated. There wasn't any doubt about the capability of the crew. That's what he tried to express anyway. All the while onlookers are disappointed and some begin to leave.
But suddenly a dock member rushes out. The ship was spotted an hour ago! But whats strange was it was it looked damaged, and was drifting very close to shore. Boss man visablys sweats. Another report comes in. The coast guard just found a ship matching the discription beached on somewhere where it shouldn't be, and there's huge tracks leading away from the ship wreck.
Any thoughts or improvements?
@@23Jpro hey, that's not very nice. At least appreciated what he did, this stuff might put up with him for hours to type and think of a scenario. At least say that it was nice and could improve more. But from what I read from it, ... It's actually pretty good writing.
It's good. But I can see and hear the suspense when reading it, it's like the boss were sweating like crazy of the waiting, people were impatient to see the product, and all-around was tense. But sooner the reveal it was in a pure shock, damn son you're good in writing, did you make any novel or fanfic?
I really like it! Maybe have the damaged equipment include the ship’s transponder; perhaps it worked intermittently and then failed completely due to total damage.
Simple dumb ass ships have an auto pilot 😂 you think captains pilot the ship the whole way in a straight line no! They alter the course or heading manually and land th ship other then that they go in a straight line them selves and you’re a fucking moron dude and no offence what you have wrote is so generic and stolen from other things you’ve seen or read fuck yard be original
I'm very late to this but first, you should write. Books, screenwriting, playes... Man, that was good! Secondly, even if I agree with you and REALLY liked your story, I think that the boat had to hit the harbour to give us that cool ass T-rex-goes-on-Godzilla-rampage scene. Also, if your version was included the movie would have had to be considerable longer (of course I personally wouldn't mind that!). Also also, we don't know when the one who steered the ship was killed, one could assume that they would do their darnest to get to shore. OR, as another commenter pointed out, the ship was in autopilot and had a fixed course.
Anyway, I truly enjoyed your little story and I thank you for writing it!
Hahaha that hanging hand has bothered me for 20 years. It doesn’t make sense! 🤣
Most of The Lost World: Jurassic Park doesn't make sense.
Yeah. Just like how the T-Rex enclosure from JP suddenly turned into a cliff.
The Baby T-Rex done it
I don't know why this is so difficult for people to understand but I'll spell it out: the T-rex encloser is on one side of the road, the cliff is on the other.
Ik I don't understand what happened 😂😂😂😂😂
As a kid I always thought that the baby rex killed the crew members
If T rex had his leg broken by Ludlow falling on him, I doubt he would be this unstoppable killer. Plus Ian and Sarah wouldnt been able to just tote around the Juv T rex if that deadly.
Yeah but I was a kid let me be a kid with no logic xD
Hey I would have agreed up until I saw the video that Klayton Fioriti posted on how the T rex Jr broken his leg. Though in reality, really a little hard to believe if you think about it.
TheZXKUQYB There's also the fact that in the film, they said that the baby rex was brought over on Ludlow's private jet.
Ya but who trusts Ludlow
There was a scene cut from the final film where raptors jumped onto the ship ate the crew and jumped off as it was leaving. It's a reference to raptors doing a similar thing on a boat in one of the books.
How did it (the ship) get to San Diego? It just auto pilot there?
@@tylerkriesel8590 most do run an auto pilot once they get out to sea. But that's after they get a mile or so away from the coast
I’ve got one question, it all make sense for it to have killed the men on the surface but what about the ones in the interior of the ship? Or anyone who might’ve ran deeper into the ship?
Did the ones in the interior decide to hide there? Did they abandon ship?
You are on a ship, see a giant man eating dino chasing and eating everyone. Chances are, you are gonna jump overboard.
@@theoneeyedartist3253 Considering we see at least one survivor to explain how the rex got worked up enough to break out, clearly he hid.
@@jessecrump1424 I know at least one survived by hiding. But OP asked if any of the crew abandoned ship. So I merely pointed out, chances are some did jump over board out of fear.
Damn the Rex was high all the time it was in San Diego
Na t rex is already immune cuzz ... Not human
Rexy Montana
Pushing to the limits starts to play
Sounds about right for most who visit San Diego. lol
Not sure whether this is mentioned in the comments below already (I didn't find it, but haven't read all 560+), but the main reason people think the scene was rewritten from raptors causing the death, is that the JP film creators like to pick up and incorporate scenes from the original novel as they go -- and a major plot point of the original novel, left out of the original film, was to stop a cargo ship that had left the island with a pack of raptors on board before it reached the mainland. Weirdly the raptors never killed anyone on the ship (so far as I recall), but security cameras on the ship would occasionally show the raptors to the headquarters back at the island. I can understand why this plot was dropped from the first film, as it wasn't necessary and didn't make much sense to the lethal actions of the raptors; but when the "Venture" crashed into the dockyard and people started searching it, I immediately thought "okay, here's the lapsed raptor plot, finally coming into play as the grand finale!" All the evidence shown in the film seemed to point that way. Then the T-Rex got loose (which was understandable under the circumstances, sort of), annnnnnd.... then I was surprised they never got back to the raptor plot.
The raptors would even explain how the T-Rex gets into the hold. (Not back in; as you note, the wrecked Rex cage can be seen on deck.) It was chasing the raptors, which couldn't leave the ship yet. And then the Rex kills the raptors below decks, so they leave the plot altogether.
That said, I realize the script and the narrative language solely credit the Rex. Good find on the alternate angle showing the top of the cabin having been punched in by the Rex's head, too.
Thanks man! Really appreciate this thought out comment!
I would love to see someone either as a short film or as a fanfiction write out what happened on the boat. Maybe and on one of the crew dying of blood loss as he desperately tries to hold the door shut with a dead man's grip on the controls.
I appreciate the video Klayton. But being in the Navy, this storytelling doesn’t make much sense if it was the Rex.
First, A T-Rex killing the captain of the ship in the bridge would have completely destroyed the entire compartment.
Secondly, at least one of the crew members would have hid inside the ship to avoid the Rex. Doesn’t make much sense for every crew member to be running topside to get eaten.
Thirdly, even on auto pilot, a ship
That size would either hit another ship or run aground with no one occasionally watching its course.
Fourthly, I think Idea of raptors killing the crew doesn’t mask much sense either. Did they kill the crew at the docks in Isla Sorna and jump off back to the island? Can Raptors swim? If they did kill the crew, the ship was on autopilot pilot for that long a journey with no navigation issues to ship or occasional communications with Ingen?
Lastly, I think the only theory that would suffice this entire sequence was pteranodons flying on the ship and killing the crew. The ship could have sailed near their nesting ground like The opening scene in JP3 and easily picked off the crew. Still though, at least one of the crew members would have hid inside the ship
I think the idea is that the raptors killed the crew- who, yes, probably would have tried to hide although I also buy the idea that they were heroically trying to kill the Rex or stop the ship- and then the T-Rex ate the raptors
but nothing in the film indicates this and yeah we're left with a nonsense shot that makes no sense and takes you out of the story, which is, you know... bad storytelling
Most theropod dinosaurs could swim. Especially the smaller ones like the raptors. I do have an issue with the autopilot thing however. Did ships in the 1990s even have autopilot? Do ships these days have autopilot? I also have an issue with JP III. The pteranodons in that film were locked up in a bird cage shrouded in fog. They couldn't have attacked the little speed boat with Ben and Eric parasailing from it without being spotted as they flew away. Not sure what it COULD have been. I presume with the splashing we hear near the boat, viewers are supposed to assume it was the spinosaurus that killed the operators of the boat which COULD account for the jerking of the tether but not the lack of damage to the speedboat where the only damage we see is the wrecked fabric canopy and a bloodstain.
None of it makes sense, it was poor storytelling and direction from Spielberg. I'm pretty sure by the time this scene was filmed he had already checked out. Spielberg has been quoted as say that he had become "disenchanted" by the movie as the production went on, he was also at the time preparing to film Amistad.
I came up with a new theory while reading these comments. At some point in the trip, the T-Rex tried to bust out, but only damaged the doors and knocked himself unconscious. Soon after, a stowaway raptor attacked and killed the crew, but one crew member managed to mortally wound it with a firearm in process. The wounded raptor hobbled off to a concealed area and bled out.
Never knew there were CZcams Chanel's dedicated to Jurassic I've subscribe and I'm gonna start watching more videos
Thanks man!
I am so glad this channel exists. Keep up the good work, Klayton
Thanks dude!
I always assumed the T-Rex killed the crew but was always curious how it ended up back in the cargo hold, Also why would Ludlow tell the crew to open the cargo hold when there was a freakin Tyrannosaurus rex down there?!
For the same reason that Selfridge in _Avatar_ idiotically sticks to the plan when presented with an incredible business opportunity: The director thinks businessmen are all evil, soulless morons and portrays them as such.
Ian realized that the Rex was awake in the hold by noticing the dead hand gripping the door controls. Ludlow did not see that important clue, and was under the impression that the Rex was still sedated. And without knowing what the bridge looked like, for all we know, he could’ve assumed that the crew were killed by raptors & sheltered in the hold with the still-sleeping Rex.
I don't really understand how the t rex killed the guy whos arm was in that small room holding the steering wheel or control thingy (I can't really remember what it was, I just remember the arm in the room).
No matter how you look at it, it just doesn't make sense. Even if the t rex somehow got to him there's no way his grip would've been strong enough to hold on while his body was being ripped off and if his arm was ripped off first he obviously wouldn't be able to hold on either.
It could've been the baby rex but it still doesn't make sense then.
It wouldn't make sense with raptors either, or any other dinosaur.
Just feels weird to hear someone praising the good "visual storytelling" when there's such an obvious plothole.
It didn't, do you remember the last scene when John Hammond says "they need our absence" then the scene cuts to the Rex family and then you see the Pteranodon.
It is a very discreet way to show a reveal of what killed the crew.
I agree I mean it dosent make sense!
I was going to mention this!! It makes no sense! And how did the Rex get back in the cargo hold and get trapped if he also killed the crew member holding the button? So many plot holes.
@@fAshoo0 The guy holding the remote was probably fataly wounded by its tail or something and someone sacrificed themself so the dying crewmate could lock the doors behind the rex and someone thinks a pteranodon snuck abord and killed the captain.
While an absolutely memorable and gory reveal of the camera panning down to a severed hand still grasping the ship's wheel, it makes no earthly sense that an arm could be torn off above the wrist while still maintaining a grip on the wheel, especially by animal attack.
The force required would have pulled the hand off the wheel long before the arm would have severed. Perhaps you could claim plausibility of that with a swift cut from an extremely sharp blade, but certainly not from a crushing force from the jaws of a Rex.
It's there to shock, but clearly not to make sense.
Also, as others have mentioned in the comments, the tranquilizers used to sedate the Rex were not the same as the neurotoxin darts in Eddie's gun. Quite a glaring mistake for someone so heavily invested in the JP series.
Couldn't have put it better myself!
Though I'd also add that if the T-Rex was standing free on the boat, that's seven plus tons of unrestrained weight lunging, stomping and moving around rapidly on the deck. It would have thrown the ship off balance and capsised it within seconds.
But let's say it somehow didn't sink the ship, the attack must have just happened before the harbour master scene. Otherwise there's no way it could have navigated itself there, nor would it have been allowed to get that close to docking with no contact from the crew. The Rex attack wouldn't have been so sudden nobody could use the radio to issue a warning, ask for assistance, or at the very least say "Mayday". Without any communication from the vessel, and at the high speed it was traveling, the coast guard would have definitely disabled the ship, or contacted the military to do so.
It was an impressive set piece with the boat crash and hand reveal, but none of the San Diego sequence makes any sense.
Indeed. The hand is the one major problem with the Rex killing the crew theory. When Ludlow exits the bridge and instructs the InGen team to check the cargo hold (4:50) you can clearly see the right side of the bridge undamaged. If a Rex smashed his head through the left side it seems unlikely that the metal is not bend or the windows smashed. When the ship initially crashes into the dock you can see a clear view of the bridge building's front and there's no signs of damage on either side. Finally when Sarah goes up with the Tranq gun to shoot the rex, she positions herself on the left of the bridge. Again, the structure is undamaged. Factually nothing smashed the bridge in the movie.
Cool shot but ultimately a continuity/storytelling error. When I saw the film I didn't picture the rex was the one who killed the crew. Both because of the hand and the fact the Rex got locked into the cargo hold again by an uneaten dead man. Later I theorized it was pterodactyls who did the deed, since the Rex was locked and there was nothing else on board the ship.
It does seem kinda weird that the rex goes into the cargo hold after eating everyone and a very visible (for the Rex) dying man on the deck closes the doors of the hold. He could have been hiding somewhere, badly injured. When the rex returned to the hold to sleep the man went to close the cargo hold but died of his injuries. It's just a little too convenient from a logical standpoint. Fantastic cinematic reveal with the hand, but illogical storytelling.
Thanks for the plug at the end man! Another great video. A lot of people assume the Rex was transported inside the cargo hold before it escaped but you can see the broken capture gear on the deck of the ship, it must have been outside before being locked below.
BTW I've never noticed that concept art too, showcasing the broken wheelhouse wall. You learn something every day haha! Keep up the good work.
Terrordome 3000 I’m still hoping we get a T. rex capture sequence in JWFK, we didn’t get one in LW, we didn’t get the one from the Lego kits to JW.....but I think we might finally get one next year
I know I've stated this before in a previous video of your's. But I wanted to reiterate, I really enjoy your videos. Especially when you discuss certain deaths in the film, or certain theories.
I remember an old PC Game of Lost World where they showed a cutscene of sailors on the ship being struck by lightning, so I had always thought that either the lightning did it or Pterodactyl's had done it. This was very interesting to watch.
After I'd completed this video and gotten ready to upload it, I actually made an interesting discovery, when I examined a certain piece of concept art more closely.
Even though I just said that there was no way of knowing exactly how this severed hand was cut from the captain's body, it turns out there actually is. In fact in
this exact piece of art, the cabin is shown to have a giant hole torn through it, where the Buck's head would have broken through, and effectively eaten the
poor soul on the other side of the wall. I realize this is a serious fan theory that is talked about very frequently amongst fans, but I can't believe this is the
first time I've actually seen concrete evidence for what factually happened to that bloody hand stuck to the wheel. There it is plain as day. The T-rex really did
break through the wall and eat him! The evidence is at 7:52 and make sure to pause the video and get a good look and check this out for yourselves...I don't think
anyone else in the fandom has caught on to this. 20 years late, but still quite cool!
Clearly it was raptors and they decided to cut that out of the movie (pre listening to your video) - For myself has nothing to do with the script, how does the severed arm end up in the bridge. So some where between SD and JP, there is a colony of raptors either with multiple or a female that did parthenogenesis. If you argue for T rex then you could argue the spinosaurus narrow jaw to fit inside the bridge. In theory, if you could see the blood spatter pattern, you could tell what size of creature attacked the bridge crew ...well at least size.
The other islands isle meta, meurta and tacano have to have dinosaurs on it by now .
Here's another example ^
One day when I can remember the name of my undergrad cancer professor at the U of MN late 80s, I can retell the story of Michael Crichton spending 3 hours plus asking question regarding a book he was writing. He was always pissed that he never got mentioned in JP book. Since he said a large portion of ideas came from that professor. However then again, I could tell the story of giving my lab partner a Strep infection using a cultured Strep in a micro lab or how a professor got the 2nd stage Syphilis infection (body/trunk rash) after exposure 24 hours before.
Klayton Fioriti the only thing that i cant figure out is if the buck is the one who killed the captain pre crashing into the harbor or such how did he get back in the enclosed pin cause when malcom ssys get off the ship sn the officer opens up the door the buck was in there an the scene before that the doors arent open wide enough for the buck to axtually fit through an run aboard the ship i could be missing something tho btw ur videos are dope
What a great explanation. Thank you. I don't know how the hell you aren't more popular, you go into such detail and i really appreciate that.
I just try to make sure no misinformation gets out anywhere. At the end of the day the facts of the films are more important than the theories. Thanks for the compliment!
This crew were killed by raptors. This is obvious to anyone who's read Crichton's novels. Renders this entire video moot. Poorly researched.
Okay to be honest as a kid I thought the guy's hand that was holding the button was Nick Van Owen only because by the third act we don't see him again.
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I Love the fact that a lot of this film was filmed here in my hometown, SAN DIEGO.
Ah Saint Diego. Discovered by the Germans...
That was the best part of the movie too.
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I remember when I first watched I thought it was the raptors as well, I don't know why. I think I assumed that the T-rex wouldn't have left behind body parts and that he would've swallowed his victim whole.
yeah i don't know either
I love the videos. Can't wait for your thoughts of a true nightmare that might show up: a fully grown Indominus Rex
Thats coming very soon!!!
I always believed the rex killed some of the crew while the rest jumped ship
TRES-4 It was on deck in restraints, broke out and killed most of crew, one crewman used himself as bait to lure it into the cargo hold, and another crewman closed the shutter while bleeding out.
some Cargo ships have only 10-15 crew, some over 30. The odds would be on a big job like this (bringing back a Trex) there would be a lot of crew. doesn't add up
When I first saw this movie when I was 8 years old, and saw that all of the crew had been killed on the ship, my immediate thought was 'Velociraptor attack', because of what I saw with the hand of one of the crew members on the ship's steering wheel, and thought there was no way a T. Rex could've broke in, since it still would've been in the large containment area on the boat.
Years later, I wondered what could've caused this, raptors were still on my mind, until seeing this video and getting the answer!
my assumption has always been that the hand on the wheel was severed from the captain's arm by the violence of the collision between the ship and the dock.
Eddies darts weren't tranquilizer they were poison darts
IKR? he missed that
yeah my bad
Daniel Stipetic “You mean if you shot yourself in the foot?” “Don’t do that you would dead before you knew it”
I always thought it was obvious that it was the T. rex who killed the crew, I never realised this was even a question until recently. I mean, it's the only animal on the ship and it's already awake when the ship crashes into the dock, it seems that the only reason there's been endless speculation for the last 2 decades is simply due to the camera angle used to show/partially cover the aftermath of the attack. If this were an R rated movie there would be no question, as I'm sure Spielberg would've decided to show more of the victims remains and therefore most likely the hole in the wall left by the T. rex. I didn't realise how full of conspiracy theories the JP community actually is. You do a good job of debunking this stuff. You should do one about "Site C" and put that nonsense to rest to. The whole 5 deaths misunderstanding is annoying as fuck.
Thanks for the kind words man, but I don't think I've heard of Site C??? What is that? I know about Las Cinco Muertes but was there something somewhere about InGen setting up a base on one of the other islands?
Klayton Fioriti You haven't heard of it because it doesn't exist anywhere in the movies or books. But everywhere I go lately on Jurassic Park videos there's constant talk and speculation about a so called "third island." It seems that there's theories going around that on another of the 5 islands there are also dinosaurs now too, Muerta being the one most thrown around as the likely option but I've never heard any evidence of this in any official canon. Have you ever come across any mention of this?
I mean its plausible because all of the fishermen stay away from the whole island chain, and some dinosaurs can swim and migrate, but I don't really think that too many would be on every single island and even if they were... like lets say I play Devil's Advocate and say the Spino swam up to Muerta and lived there, I mean it would probably run out of food pretty quick and then swim back to Sorna or somewhere closer. All the animals are technically marooned to that island chain anyways so it wouldn't mean anything if one ended up on a different island, but again theres been no record of that happening from my knowledge (definitely not canon) and as far as I know that will never be brought up. I think that may be a theory some people have thought up who want to see some more secret InGen stuff we haven't heard of yet or something similar, but as far as I know there are only dinosaurs living on Isla Sorna and Isla Nublar.
Klayton Fioriti I think it's purely fan fiction. I just looked it up and found paragraphs about how the UN became concerned with the over population of Sorna so a bunch of Dinos were moved to Muerta. I just find it a bit annoying when fan fiction is used to explain supposed questions in the movies. Like I said, you do a good job of debunking this stuff, you should do a series specifically dedicated to fan theories because most of them are ludicrous.
Unfortunately yes, in the Jurassic Park Fandom a lot of people like to say things and present stuff that hasn't been proven 100% or have any backup. This week I've talked about a lot of them. I think its important to bring the fan community together again. It seems like ever since JP3, and definitely now after JW got a ton of kids on board, that there isn't any standard thing that helps fans come together like Star Wars fans and others do. Most Jurassic Fans end up hating eachother after they meet someone they don't agree with and that really bugs me. I can only speak for myself and those around the same age, but when the first film came out and most of us were kids in that big 90's Jurassic Park explosion, we all wanted to be paleontologists and knew everything about dinosaurs in the fossil record and were more inclined to the outdoors. Being a Jurassic Park fan and a fossil hunter, a gun nut, an outdoors survivor and logical thinker (and film buff) used to go hand in hand, but now I feel like in the absense of films during parts 3 and 4, a ton of people have dedicated their lives to the more to debating about things that shouldn't even be questions. It seems there is more credibility with being a Dennis Nedry character if you're a fan than if you're an Alan Grant or an Ian Malcolm like the old days. I'd really like to change that.
After watching I searched up the scene on youtube 'jurassic park lost world ship scene' and at 1:23 the bridge of the ship is shown and appears to be completely intact from the front view of the ship as it crashes. So as crew were attacked in the bridge another dino would have to be the culprit.
Really good video you are definitely good at noticing things because every time I watch the Rex break out of its containment I'm just amazed by the trex so good spots!!
Seriously, you are becoming one of my top favorite discussion/speculation CZcamsrs! Like a knucklehead, how am I not subbed already?! I'll fix that!
Now onto the video! :3 I've been dying to know what happened here with the crew! :P
Thanks bro!
Thank you for explaining this. This is one of my favorite Jurassic Park movies and it bugged me to no end about how the crew died, considering how we couldn't see what the characters was seeing.
The Pteranodons attacked just before the tyrannosaur started it's rampage under deck.
So the dying man who tried to keep the T-rex inside was probably eaten by ptrenodons.
At the end of the movie you can see them flying above the T-rex family so they were in the second movie but a lot of people seems to have forgotten it.
Gustaf how would of they gotten into the bridge and inside
i always thought that as a kid but when i read the lost world book i assumed it was a script rewrite and it was supposed to be the raptors that escaped
Nice post! This will help me with my Jurassic Park Iceberg series I am doing!
Ive always found it unlikely, the carnage or lack off on the ship seems inconsistent with the destruction that a rex could inflict
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The hand on the steering wheel was the thing that made me believe it was not the Trex.
I think this scene was inspired by what had happened to the crew of the Demeter in Bram Stoker's novel, Dracula. The ship makes its way to the harbor, but the dockmen discover that the crew was dead while Dracula flies off to the estate he purchased.
Whether it was stowaway raptors or an undrugged T-Rex, both animals would be the "Dracula" of the SS Venture.
I have crossed oceans of time.
oh my god so that's how it happened. i always thought it was raptors similar to how raptors were shown on a boat in the original jurassic park novel as a rex could not have fit inside the bridge. But when i saw you say to look in the video at 7:52 i noticed the big hole in the back of the bridge in the concept art, it makes sense now!
Senkokura Reiken Except that 1)the TRex is too big to have walked much on the ship, 2) there is no way a TRex can bite a person clean enough to leave limbs hanging onto the last thing they grabbed, 3) Even if the TRex did it, someone would still have survived by hiding in place where it was too small for the TRex to get into (the captain cabin I can accept the TRex poking thru, but the ship would have to be made of paper for the TRex to get thru the crew quarters). Also, the captain would have been the first person to spot the TRex breaking out, wouldn't he have had enough time to let go off the wheel and send out a distress signal?
Well no movie is perfect, there are inconsistencies in every movie so i can let little things go, besides i like this theory cause it makes sense to me so i accept it, if you don't like it please don't try to ruin it for me by asking questions we will never have concrete answers to, have a nice day and Thank you.
I ever wondered which dinosaur killed the people on SS Venture
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TheZXKUQYB How high off the floor was the steering wheel?
TheZXKUQYB BTW that’s what I was thinking.
Pteranodon maybe?
The arm hanging there is what threw me off. But I understand what they were going for. Great video man!
This is really interesting because I have watched that movie COUNTLESS times and have never considered anything other than the rex to be the culprit. It's been some years since I last watched it but I can't remember anything that would point to another reason. It's funny how a movie can be interpreted so differently!
A rex being the culprit does not explain how the equipment on deck was undamaged including the bridge which we see is undamaged in the CNN news footage Kelley watched as her dad and Sarah slept.
Also the ship was already full speed so whatever got em, the crew had time to start the ship and get off the coast so my theory was that it was a bunch of flying pterosaurs.
You only got one thing wrong, IMO: The Tyrannosaurus was on deck when he got free. You can see the metal frame he was encased in on the island bent out of shape on the deck.
Indeed, he was. That was a mistake on my part.
Good video just subed to you keep it up up
Thanks man!
Lol how would the Rex fit into the Wheelhouse to kill everyone there?
"Everyone off the boat!" Still gives me goosebumps, the lost world is the best JP movie to date.
its the worst
But if the raptor theory WAS true, what happened to them? Did they get eaten? Did they jump of the boat? I NEED ANSWERS!!!!
Well, saw some video about that, it's also fan theory, tho some says that is what actually happened, no matter.
Basically according to that, yes, raptors onboard, eat crew, hence the ship is not damaged. And when they crash into the dock, they... can't even remember if only one or multiple ones... anyway, according to that atleast one if not more raptors also escaped into the city.
Aliens came down and captured them, taking them back to put in a zoo on their planet, and launch a brilliant spin-off film series.
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Could also be ptaerodons
“Where’s the crew?” “All over the place”
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i would love to see a version of the lost world that has all of the stuff that was cut from the theatrical version.
4:09 - Skip to the title topic.
I can say only one thing after this: There is NO WAY the T-rex was the one to kill the crew. What did it do? Get out by breaking the doors, kill and eat everyone WITHOUT leaving even a single drop of blood on the bridge, left a single hand on the steering wheel and an arm holding the correct button down, and then went back inside the cage to wait to be released once back in SD? Come on! There are so many holes in the concept of the T-rex being the one killing the crew that I honestly find the fan-theory of a shadow organization more credible.
The hand on the wheel is what doesn't make sense to me.
Basically...well yes. The video goes into the details but it is clear that it is meant to be the T-rex, the other theories come from the plothole of why/how it came back into the cargo hold. This breaks immersion for a lot of people and thus people try to explain it away by other theories but it is quite clear that it is meant to be the T-rex, no evidence for anything else is given.
I mean how would you explain the shattered capture/containmemt bars on deck of the ship? It isn't like AVP where the Aliens (Raptors) are freeing the queen. It all make sense. Yeah there was not pools of blood but would there be? Take Genarro and Eddies deaths. Just severed limbs in the end.d
A creature grabs you with his mouth, with you obviously struggling to free yourself, and bites into you to kill you and more easily swallow you... OF COURSE there would be loads of blood on the deck! Any death scene involving an animal eating someone where there is no blood is 100% fake and, in my opinion, unbelievable and responsible for breaking immersion. Plus, talking about severed limbs, if a T-rex was to bite you, your arm wouldn't be sitting innocently on a steering wheel. It would be probably in its stomach with the rest of you, or maybe (and it is a big maybe) on the floor a few meters from were you were standing at the moment of attack.
And as I said, I am more willing to believe a fan-theory about a shadow organization sabotaging the transport of the T-rex to ruin the people who wanted to open the Jurassic Park of San Diego (can't remember the name of the company atm) rather than believe a T-rex would break open its cage, stealthily kill a crew and then go back in its cage to calmly wait for arrival.
Unslaadahsil Actually, animal attacks rarely leave much blood at the scene of the attack. Crichton addresses it in his book, Jurassic Park. You may have heard of it. Frankly, as big of an animal as the Bull T-rex is, why would getting eaten by it leave any blood? It would just swallow you whole, the way it does with multiple people throughout the Lost World.
I always thought it was the baby t-rex
"We Brought the baby back on the Plane"
Its been a long time since I watched it so I guess I forgot that
There's actually a quote in the scene that tells you it was the Rex if you listen well enough.
When the security officer is climbing the stairs, you can hear someone say "A lot of damage up top, we've got broken walls".
Now that would fit that storyboard of the ship's bridge being broken open. But we still don't see any broken walls from the outside shot of it when Ludlow looks down. I think this could mean they shot the breakout scene at sea, which would give better evidence to the crew's fate, but Spielberg decided to cut it for that suspenseful aspect you've mentioned. That background "broken walls" voice could have been added in post-production to make sense of the tension of the severed hand shot.
I had seen TLW a million times and only recently noticed this line when I watched it with noise-cancelling headphones. I think it makes the scene way more interesting to let you do that kind of visual storytelling with a piece of verbal evidence like that.
Hello! I just want to say I love your videos! Got a request: can we see how peter ludlow organized the expedition to isla sorna to capture dinosaurs? How could peter have afforded such a huge venture keeping in mind Ingen was on the verge of chapter 11 since the events of Jurassic Park it would take significant financial resources. As well as commissioning the hunting equipment and hiring willing men who are willing to go to the island. Please consider a video like this!!!
The cage the T Rex was in was outside of the cargo hold not in it.
Good eye. That was a mistake I made that I can't believe I've never caught on to until now. Hopefully I'll get to explain that part of the film I missed out on in this video in a future video, but yep. He broke out on the deck of the boat, and then he was lured into the cargo hold. The cage is even destroyed and has steel bent up and twisted around it. Crazy I never saw that.
i never noticed that too, and i have seen the film many times.
My dumbass honestly thought that the baby Rex killed the crew since it kills later and left it at that😂
I always thought that the trex went quiet and they opened the doors to inspect, and it escaped and everybody died trying to put it back into containment.
Where are those concept art paintings in the beginning from?