"THE REVEAL" - A NEW TITANIC DISCOVERY?
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- čas přidán 26. 02. 2015
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After studying countless references for the production of our game, we have been uncovering new design changes of the RMS Titanic that were previously unknown. - Hry
i'm a Titanic enthusiast for over 20 years....and i want to say thank you for bringing back to life the ship guys....your work is amazing.
Being a detail freak myself, I can only commend you for your thoroughness. I've been a Titanic enthusiast since childhood. What you're doing is amazing. I happen to be 3d modeler myself. Top notch work you guys have done so far! Should you ever need some extra help, feel free to contact me.
Your presentation is so well-done, so well-presented. The re-creation of the Titanic's interior is remarkable. I don't do games and such but I'm a serious ocean liner enthusiast and it's a great pleasure to see the inside of this ship. I think your discovery could be considered additional evidence that the Olympic and Titanic were not switched.
I'm one of the guys who is mostly interested in the tank top deck. I want to explore the boiler rooms, engine rooms, learn what all the pumps are for, follow the pipes, crawl down the shaft tunnel, go down into the bulge under then engines, climb up on top of the boilers, go inside the coal bunkers. But that's just me, I can't wait to see the rest of the ship also, you're doing the Titanic great justice in your attention to detail. Maybe even go inside an unlit boiler and clean the tubes.
You can do most of those things on the working (free) demo, now.
Same
What an amazing discovery! I am speechless. You guys did the right thing to ask Bill. He knows that ship better then anyone alive today. James Cameron even praised him for his knowledge. I spoke to him on a few occasions on Facebook. Very nice guy.
After viewing this, I can't wait to see the final result of our masterpiece. I am so going to buy it. I got goosebumps just by seeing the beauty of the dining hall.
To Bill or to James Cameron?
SERVESH KUMKI Bill
@@doyoulikedags3534 I think Bill, as Cameron does not speak on facebook I think
Did any of you look at the 2001 wreck footage? James Cameron was in this exact spot!
@Vicente Studer you can look at Titanic archive project. Ken Marshall also describes the details on marconigraph.com (you have to use wayback machine as it's a dead site now)
Exactly, more open but am doubting that glass would be fitted in the Keystone area because of safety reasons would have been same size without glass in my opinion. do you have any photos of the kitchen and food prep areas? It would still be First class so a division area without glass of that size is very probable. I feel that the design would be correct. It makes perfect sense. The doors would serve as separation of both areas while giving the continuation of the space, ventalation (sp) and communication by not adding glass, also the glass like I mentioned earlier would be a safety concern being that large.
@@JamesLeonMahan- That's a very interesting point you are bringing up! It might very well have been a safety hazard to have such large glass surfaces in those windows, but I'm not buying your suggestion that they would have been open (i.e. without glass).
To me, this is just another argument against THG's reconstruction of those windows. I am probably the only one here who believes that there wasn't a significant difference in window size between the Olympic and Titanic. With all due respect, I don't think the photo interpretation in this video is accurate, and I don't think the proposed reconstruction is convincing.
I think I'll make my own video with an alternative analysis of Brown's photo of the dining room. I love everyone working on Titanic H&G, but I don't believe the reconstruction of those windows is correct. I think the design was identical to the dining room on the Olympic and therefore I think the proposed redesign is a mistake.
@@j.vonhogen9650 The only suggestion I would like to make is that the woodwork design is concealing pipework or electric wiring of sorts, If the design was photo shopped I think someone needs to say yes it was. I agree with your point. a lot of things were carried over for both ships, There should be some type of document in the original design specifications of the correct application if any, I agree totally, I am not suggesting glass of that size was used in the Titanic unless it was leaded or stained glass for safety reasons.
Amazing! Its amazing how they changed a lot of small things between the titanic and olympic. It makes me wonder what small changes Thomas Andrews had in mind for the britannic after finding small flaws around the titanic
Apparently Britanic was going to be similar but very different from the other two
Britannic was going to be the most Iuxurious. The smoke room was different, it was apparently supposed to have a Winter Garden Cafe, etc.
If he had survived, he would've thought to change the watertight doors and make them over the bulkheads, and strengthen the double bottom of the ship.
I do know that the Britanic was going to have a full on pipe organ in the foreward 1st class Grand Staircase, just behind the elevators. None of the fittings and fixtures made it into the Britanic. With the outbreak of WW1, the ship had to be immediately converted for military use before its completion, so everything was put in storage before installation. After its sinking, all of the finishes got sold off, including the organ, which has been found to be in possession by the Museum für Musikautomaten in Switzerland.
Water Spray - The bulkheads on the Olympic were raised higher due to the Titanic disaster and the double hull reinforced.
God, this looks so good. I'm looking so forward to just walking around, exploring the ship, let alone play the actual story. All the luck to you, guys!
That's AWESOME!! I've donated and I really hope you get more attention. Rarely have I ever seen such dedication and passion for their game - AND the history of the ship as well. I'm always trying to spread the word on this project. Fingers crossed you get more attention, and soon.
Love how thorough you guys are. It’s going to make the game that much more authentic.
I strongly believe, once the project has ended, you should assemble copies of all the research and notes that went into this, and secure copies of your titanic recreation, and hand it out to a number of museums, for safe keeping.
Shows that White Star Line and Titanic were ahead of its time, that’s quite a remarkable discovery! Just when you think you know about something, that same observation could change in the snap of the fingers! Keep going you guys!
I have been obsessed with the Titanic as long as I can remember. I am so looking forward to the final product and I am happy to see the passion and attention to detail you guys are putting into this game. The little details are the most important aspect.
I'm sure that Eva Hart said that she looked through a big glass window and if it were Olympic's design, it wouldn't be a big view and she would have probably not said this if it had Olympic's Design.
Jack G Plays Eva Hart wouldn't have been able to look through these windows as she was a second class passenger.
Maybe it could have been the second class dining room? I'm not sure. Oh, and demo 3 is fantastic! The dining room is amazing and the I tried recreating the Father Browne photograph and I mistook it for the real photo!
Looks amazing! That's a very interesting discovery you made there about two of the most prominent rooms on the ship. It certainly looks much better and more modern with three large windows there, and much less enclosed.
I have donated. You guys are doing an incredible job! Keep it up :)
And now i understand why you didn't show these arches in the prvious video
Thank you for your part in keeping the story of the Titanic alive. The story, on a larger story, is the entire human experience. It has it all - heroes and cowards; greed and charity; power and weakness; the guilty and the innocent; hubris and humility; panic and calmness. It fascinates for it’s unbelievable aspects and yet, in hindsight, it was an accident bound to happen. I have been a student of the Titanic going on 55 years plus and never tire of discovering something new. Your work added to that ongoing discovery. The one thing that we will never discover is how any of us would have truly reacted that cold night in April, 1912. We all hope that we would have acted with dignity and courage but we just never will really know for certain. The more we discovery about the Titanic, maybe the more we can come to a clearer understanding of how we truly would have acted.
It would be cool if you could explore the ship but change between the the ship and the wreck with the touch of a button. Kind of like the Halo anniversary where you could swap between the graphics. One minute you are looking at the beautiful grand staircase. The next you could be looking at a dark hole where it used to be. All the Rusticles hanging from the ceiling, the Haunting Blue light from Mir 1 outside shining down the staircase. Obviously they would have to make a "Mock Wreck" as nobody has looked at the wreck in that much detail.
if they do that they will probably spend more time doing it
They aren't doing the wreck they made it clear thought podcast
+josh kusia I didn't see the podcast...
That'd be pretty cool, just make it like a fade kind of thing, not really the effect a light switch gives, it'd be cool if you could switch between both.
My personal preference is for the original round arches, but it clearly was a matter of making the spaces look larger by having larger windows. Plate glass was quite a fetish at that time too with recent advances in production technology yielding larger sheets of glass and they wanted to exploit is as much as possible.
Looking absolutely amazing. I'm floored.
Very interesting find! This is just more evidence to all out there that your guys are serious about your topic and approaching this game with true passion. Keep up the good work!
Hope you guys the best of luck in your phase 3 drive and I hope you are able to finish and release this game soon.
well done.. I've been a big fan of Titanic since childhood.. It definitely lives on through your efforts and work
Wow you guys are awesome, I love everything you have done on this project. I cant wait for the next upload from you
This just goes to show the incredible amount of effort that has gone, and is going into THG. Well done, y’all.
Proud of your hard job.
Titanic it's my obsession.
#Olympicclass
#OlympicClass or #Olympiclass
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#Olympic class!
Fascinating! Minor yet, It makes me rethink how I view the Dinning Saloon and the Reception room.
In the interview you have also used colors which could be from that time or from the 1940‘s. You have obviously used a red filter to achieve that. I love it.
Great work guys! I truly admire the amount of care and time you are putting into this project. It shows how amazing the finished product is going to be. I am ecstatic to get this.
Haven't seen it but WOW... a reveal! I can't wait...
Well this sure was a piece of discovery that surely should allow followers to see your dedication. I will admit that as you started explaining your discovery I, too, was thinking....so? It literally took me until the end of the video to WANT to go back and look at the photo again. After examining the photo myself I ALSO came to the same conclusion. Something so simple as this proves how dedicated to accuracy you really are and I love it! My question would be, what will you do with rooms that literally have no reference or documentation at all?
Oh my goodness! I'm super excited about this game! Great job guys!
I've watched several tours of this product and I don't know why, but I feel so strange, it's so familiar walking through there. Sometimes I can feel the wood or the floor.
Jesus Christ the amount of detail in this game.
Anyone notice the background music? It's perfect. You hardly know that it's there but when you do notice you can't unhear it. They use it a few times and I love it. lol.
What an amazing find! I took a look at the photograph and you're totally right!
As a Titanic fan, this is really exciting, indeed. Great work guys! Here you have my like, subscription, and donation. I'm looking forward to play the game. Keep it up!
Remember that much material and many records were either lost during the Blitz or burnt in the 1960s through a de-cluttering drive. What have we lost ? Thank you for your fine efforts. Greetings from Southampton, England.
You guys have done an awesome job with titanic honor and glory. So many times I see photos of the grand staircase mislabeled . From what I can tell there is a brass strip on the edge of each step on titanic while olympics is rounded wood .
This is AMAZING.Great job!😍❤️❤️❤️
Wow! Respect for you guys! I love how much detail you spend on this project.
It would be amazing if this game comes out!
When I was younger, I used to thought about a game where you can explore the whole Titanic. And now when I discovered ''Titanic Honor And Glory'' I couldn't believe my eyes. Finally there comes a game where you can explore the whole Titanic.
This is so cool :)
Now I’m curious what Britannic would have looked like if she had a chance to enter service. Felt like she was the apex of the Olympic class liners, taking lessons learned from the two elder sister ships.
Fascinating!
Very solid and ambitious work - I solute you guys !!!
What an amazing fantastic video just to see inside the Titanic was great.... Thanks for sharing have you any of the engine room
Amazing!
This Is HUGE great discovery!!!
I truly respect and appreciate this beautiful video. New information about the titanic is always more than welcome. Tip: if you want an experience that makes you feel feel like a passenger on a trans Atlantic Ocean liner....I highly recommend a visit to the queen mary in long beach California. (not a victorian ship, but simular grand proportions) my visit was for two nights and loved it!
What an amazing find. It really shows how dedicated you guys are to make this game happen. In my opinion, from a aesthetics standpoint, I think the small arches worked better because of the windows in the Reception room and the niches in the Saloon. I like the way the bigger arches look though and they are similar to both rows of center arches and columns that run the length of the saloon, the only difference is the missing keystone in the center of each arch. Is this part visible in the wreck of the Titanic?I remember watching a video of the windows in the reception room but Im not sure about the entrance to the saloon. Anyways, great work you guys, cant wait until everything is finish. Hopefully the fundraiser is a success, I've been sharing the link with friends.
I would defer to you guys on this kind of research any day although I've been deeply interested in maritime history for years.
This is so incredible how you make history come to life! Such a vast knowledge, thank you for sharing. AWESOME! Greetings from Berlin Germany 🤗
Great work guys, been following you for quite a while now. Love what you are doing. What is your opinion on the recent M and P letters showing after the N and I letters fell of the Bow Titanic name Location?
The name carved on her bow it's Titanic. No cospiracy
Great study guys!
Amazing...
Now we just need to find a way to get Penny Pringle to put out
I was wondering if you guys knew about this game.
***** That game was great. I was always hoping for a reboot of that game of sorts, showing more of the ship's interior with updated graphics. I'm new to stumbling upon this but so far its looking great. As far as Adventure Out of Time goes? The Gorse-Jones were hilarious!
EXTRAORDINARY GREAT JOB CONGRATULATIONS
Amazing discovery! Exactly what I thought, it is more modern!
When I last played a Titanic game... it was Titanic Out of Time. I remember playing it constantly and doing the most bizarre of tests:
Tests to see what happens where and when I get off.
Tests to find out.. what happens where I am in the ship / game and what time.. and is still gives me chills.
Sure, I can nitpick at the game about the modeling of some parts, or about the sound and or actual happenings... but sitting at a computer, at night, with no light or sound (besides the computer), knowing the ship by heart.. being somewhere at 2:20a, is truely a experience. The modeling then was 25+yrs old and it was at the forefront then.
It just scared the hell out of me to hear.. and listen to what is going on. I cant even imagine... a game made currently and being on "Scotland Road", in the dark.. at 220a. Also.. I will painfully admit, its not JUST about detail oriented or "a FAN"... its about the Beauty of THAT ship, that perfect Four Funnelled Steamer. Its an addiction.
There are very few items Titanic related.. I dont own:
A Full High Res Copy of her Deck Plans
A Copy of the Notebook written by Thomas Andrews -- detailing his notes while on Olympic.
The British Board of Trade and American Inquiry
Much Appreciated for all the work you've done.
:O
Wow factor!
Love it!
I'd love a look at your references for my own projects, thanks.
Good job, lads.
I there fly/noclip?
so you might explore more or see the Titanic sink far away?
Really great job done by two dedicated and super-enthousiastic forensic-spirited 'architecture-and-design'-detectives. All needs to fit based on 1001 photographs, filmfootage, blue print drawings and 101 construction and furniture catalogues and comparing ship-interior-designs and floor tapistry from that particular art period...
Congratulations.!!! Very well done 👍👍👍
I am a docent for the Frank Lloyd Wright Trust in Chicago. You mentioned the "openness" as being more "modern." Have you considered the possible influence of Wright on that design? The Wasmuth Portfolio was published in Germany in 1911 and introduced Europe to Wright's design ethos and had a profound effect on European architects and design. That would have been between the building of the Olympic and the launching of the Titanic.
Excellent.
Oh yes, we were very exited
*looks at you with no show of emotion*
very exited
But seriously, this is incredible!
Can you make a whole video on the Titanic Olypmic differences?
When you do the 103rd anniversary tribute will you do recreations of the dining room flooding?
I guess this will prove Titanic and Olympic was not switched?
Yes
Why would they have switched them anyways? What would be the purpose?
don't mind him. Hes a fucking troll
Awesome
This game is going to be and is a work of art. Wow guys.
"Well they can look at the photograph" winks calling folks OUT
oooo Wink gets testy. Don't mess around with 'im.
YOU ARE GREAT!
nice work fellows
Cool, I hope the game gets to completion, but personally I'd only be interested in a full walk through of the ship and think the docks and surrounding streets is something that could be dropped. Good luck!
I'm so looking forward to this game... Finally a game my interest is in come out. But will their be online multiplier???
Holy! Baby Tom, lol. Interesting information. Great video guys.
Ah gorgeous I love it I just love it!
Mind blownn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Do this room or these windows still exist today? I suppose it would be too convenient if we were able to observe these windows today through expedition footage...
That part of the ship is close to the breakup zone and is completely in ruins. There's a chance we could find further evidence if we dove the wreck, but an expedition is a multi-million dollar endeavor. The footage that does exist from the wreck isn't clear enough to come to any further conclusions, but it does further support our claim.
*****
Thank you! Do you know of any videos that explore this area specifically?
@@mistertitanic There is one from 2001.
Can you make a dining room flooding video when the dining saloon is finished?
No 2 Sister ships are ever the same. Titanic, Britannic and Olympic were no different.
I equate this to putting mirrors in certain places in a home to create the illusion that rooms are larger than they appear.
Just out of curiosity when you say it wasn't lining up , did you see that there was a difference in the plans between Olympic and titanic ?
cool clip
Well presented fact on this tragedy
"Titanic" was supposed to be superior to "Olympic" in detail. Where "Olympic" was tiled, "Titanic" had carpet. Creating this open space illusion seems logical enough, when one reasons that a goal of architects at the time was to create open space dinging arenas, such as was finally accomplished on "Normandie", in the early thirties. Nice piece of research and revelation.
'Where "Olympic" was tiled, "Titanic" had carpet.' Well, this was not true in the 1st class dining room, I know. The opposite, in fact.
The Titanic had lino just like Olympic. There was no carpet in the dining room - only reception.
James Gavin In earlier readings, I recall it being reported that "Titanic" had "bottle green" carpeting in areas where "Olympic" had black and white tiling. At least one shipyard worker claimed to have a slice of it, which is now in possession of the T.H.S. I can only report on what I've read, however it wouldn't be the first time "Titanic's" story got larger than life!
Titanic and Olympic didn't really have carpet in a lot of places to be honest. Most rooms actually had linoleum tiling, such as the 1st class dining saloon, 2nd class staircases, swimming bath room, Turkish Bath cooling room, etc.
PRR5406 Defo not in the dining room. The lino was recovered from the wreck.
I've been a titanic Enthusiast since I was 5
Me too
ohhh game hype
A quick question, was the dinning room carpeted? or it was linoleum floors, I know it doesn't make a difference, but carpets needed breath holes, same as wood floors, so maybe theres an interesting detail there
Non of those boats were the same. An interesting point of view.
Great presentation. Did this change in bulkhead design have an impact on whether she would have gone down or not?
no, because by the time the Reception room flooded, the ship was already going down by a LOT.
Nice work gentlemen. They should name these arches after you.
i can't wait untill the game is out i waited from 2014
I think evidence to support these design alterations can be found in a published account of the maiden voyage of the Olympic (June 14, 1911) During the passage it was noted that, "The reception room and not the first class lounge was the most popular room on the ship." After meals, many passengers lingered and listened to the music which was played there. The reception became so crowded that, "the spare cane chairs stored below were brought up from the baggage room and at times even that wasn't enough as people were sitting on the grand staircase." After the Olympic's maiden voyage, Bruce Ismay ordered 50 additional chairs, and extra ventilation. For the Titanic, the reception room was to be enlarged.
In my opinion, this would lend evidence to the idea of large windows in the Bulkhead which divided the Reception & Dining Saloon as such an alteration would enhance the idea of spaciousness in what was apparently a very crowded area of the ship. (I am surprised there isn't definite evidence however as James Cameron has made it into the forward corner of the Saloon, where he found an intact window and the remains of an upright table.)
Many other alterations for the Titanic are recorded in this post-Olympic Maiden Voyage publication (Enlarge the Assistant Dr's Room, Remove Stateroom C144-46, Remove wardrobe door mirrors adjoining entrance doors to interior staterooms on C-Deck, Sponge holders on B-C decks private bathrooms were to be omitted Back plates for electric reading lamps to be added behind beds, etc etc."
Christopher Lucki The wall has fallen down in the wreck. In 2001, though, Ken Marschall noted that the few remnants of the wall didn't seem to match Olympic and that was a mystery to him.
Nicolas Murgia Very interesting. I remember watching one undersea documentary and the robot was showing various saloon doors, so I assumed the walls holding the doors were still upright. I think this theory is a good one. I find it fascinating that after 105 yrs, we're still discovering new information about the Titanic.
Can you please do extensive research on the second cousins twice removed of the people who made the lightbulbs that went into the RMS Titanic?
Well you could dive down there and find out. ;)
Just kidding, good work guys!
In the movie the glass is big like that, isn't it? Awesome of you guys to see it in the photograph and implement this.
In the movie, it wasn't because it was thought to be like Olympic's back then. i.ytimg.com/vi/sFDW3gHBjPw/maxresdefault.jpg
+Benjamin MacHale I only saw it after I posted here, when I watched again. Thanks
Any chance that you will do the Queen Mary in VR? The original one, not the QM II.
The only thing that perplexes me is: isn't there video taken of the wreckage that shows the Reception Room and Dining Saloon areas? I remember in the movie Old Rose saw a picture from the remote vehicle filming Titanic's interiors depicting the wraught iron dining room entrance doors, triggering one of her flashbacks. Given that these remote vehicles' cameras went that deep into the ship, shouldn't the configuration of the arches on the dining room's bulkhead wall have been known and documented 20 years ago? Just wondering. Other then that, this game looks fantastic; I can't wait for it to come out!
Actually those were the doors leading from the D-Deck entrance to the reception room.
Would it be instructive to look to the Britannic to see how it was done on her?
Since there are only black and white photos to reference ....how did you guys come up with the 'colors' of the wall paper, carpets, chairs, etc? Can't wait for the game to come out..love the graphics..
There’s postcards from the era with color artwork depicting many of the spaces aboard Olympic, plus written documentation from various sources.