Zodiac Killer Case Analysis | Mental Health & Personality
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- This video answers the questions: Can I analyze the Zodiac Killer case? What are the mental health and personality factors at work in this case?
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American Psychiatric Association. (2013). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders (5th ed.). Arlington, VA: Author.
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Antisocial Personality Disorder
1. Repeated unlawful behaviors
2. Consistent deceitfulness
3. Impulsivity, poor planning
4. Aggressiveness, physical fights
5. Reckless disregard for safety
6. Consistent irresponsibility
7. Lack of remorse
"He didn't have any respect for the rules of grammar!!!" As an English teacher I cracked up. Priceless Dr. Grande. Priceless.
Please don't forget the Oxford comma in the third sentence; else we may have consider you an accessory to the charge. Thank you.
Isnt english supposed to be written without capital e when talking about the language? Or are you writing it like that because its a title? 🤔
@@brad3378 Maybe its because im using my native language's grammar, which isnt even indoeuropean, on another language which clearly is. 🤔 Id still say that ive mastered english, both written and spoken.
"he murdered grammar" was ment to be the funny part lol
@@ilkkarautio2449 The word “English” always should be capitalized if correctness is your intention. Do you ever use the lower case when you write the words “Spanish,” “French,” or “Japanese”?
It's hard to believe that the zodiac killer went on to become a prominent Texan senator. Truly inspiring.
Well we just say that Ted Cruz was the Zodiac, but he’s too young. It’s just a dis of Ted Cruz.
@@jujubean54ify I do believe that he is joshing.
I love how Dr Grande talks about these serial killers' personalities and exposes their vulnerabilities and their real personalities. Too many of those creeps build a cult of personality around themselves and manipulate people, or think they have some kind of a "legacy", and the good doctor just cuts right through all of that bullshit and calls them what they are.
Yes he does 😂
I so agree, he doesn't glorify any of these creeps. Intellectuals do that just like they did with that creepy Austrian guy that the intellectuals sprung from prison thinking that somehow the tiger had shed his stripes!
He really did take the zodiac killer down a few pegs.
Back in the day, they thought you were a genius if you played computer games. I remember they made a big deal about Zodiac knowing about radians but, like Grande indicated, this is something we could all pick up in a high school geometry class. It's literally 9th or 10th grade material.
I'm blown away by the amount of women who fall in love and fawn over these serial killers. The attraction has to be biologically driven, the killers display an attribute that women find irresistible. Normal women can over ride this attraction through logic and morality, but dealing with the public proves that logic and morality is certainly not part of everyone's being.
I think this guy's main motive was more about power and control, and outsmarting everyone.There's almost never just one motive.
Until now the evidence has shown that practically all known serial killers are sexually motivated. This is the first motivation. The other motivations come after.
6:36 *...”Here we see our first look at the Zodiac Killer’s ability to murder grammar... that's what he did in the letters that he wrote. He didn't have any respect for the rules of grammar.”* OUCH, this statement alone makes me want to repent for living a life rife with grammatical errors. 🥺
S. D. You used the word rife and quotes! I’m pretty sure your penance will be minimal 🥰
Some of the more sinister, cunning criminals might intentionally misspell words or use bad grammar to avoid detection or shift focus. Recently, I saw a case where a female killer who murdered a rival used broken English in emails and letters to try to frame a female Polish-immigrant for the crime. All over a guy - Shawn Gayle, a former Chicago Bears football player.
Repent!
😆😆😆 Here you go! I've committed a few word crimes myself, (and may even be committing them now 🤔). Weird Al is always willing to help.
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@@majorkade My Engrish teachers are spinning. I do identify with them, now! I remember Shawn Gayle, but not the case
Dr Grande has such a relaxing voice, even while he talks about the most horrific cases.
Agreed! I go back through his videos I've already watched and listen until I fall asleep 😴
I love listening at bedtime. I'm glad I'm not the only weirdo
I was doing the 'Story at Bedtime' thing too!!! Maybe he should try being the voice for Audible books.
I agree, very relaxing and calming ... I guess that’s a good thing in his line of work 😉
@@colleenharding8665 Hi Colleen. I Like your comment. We are all a little "Weird" (what is "normal" anyway?)
Thank God most are NOT capable of (serial)murder.
Finding serial murder fascinating yet repulsive is Not Weird.
”Here we see our first look at the Zodiac Killer’s ability to murder grammar... " hahahaha -- That killed me!
Ha ha ha.
Genealogy tests and DNA testing gives me hope that cold cases like this will become solved more and more frequently.
Yes, DNA and video cams have brought down violent crime rates, including serial killings. 👍
@@getjulietyeah the people who would be serial killers now often get caught or killed by law enforcement before they even become a serial killer, after just one or two murders
Wás any DNA collected from the 4 crime scenes?
@@sirstephen9825 I looked it up and it looks like the only possible DNA evidence would be under the stamp of one of the letters Zodiac sent. The police developed a partial DNA profile of it in 2002 but I don't think there's been any new developments.
I guess the answer is no. Or they're not releasing that information.
I think it would have made him mad that those two, average, every day, normal schoolteachers solved his cipher in only two days. As a result, I believe his next ciphers were made of nonsense characters. They were never solved, because they cannot be solved. Psychologically, this would help him restore his wounded ego, and add to the public's intrigue. He wanted everyone trying desperately to solve the ciphers. He wants to be seen as mysterious and brilliant
I used to feel this way. However, the FBI and other code breaking professionals seem adamant his unsolved ciphers do contain msges. I'm not bright enough to explain why, but there's some good videos on youtube regarding the subject. And, not made by fruitcakes. Ironically, the teacher that solved his cipher shared your last name. Also, a cipher key arrived at the Vallejo PD a day after the Harding's solved it. It's thought to be authored by Zodiac, so, he wanted it solved.
@@frankdrebin1023 his name was actually Harden
frankdrebin , i never knew a code key arrived at VPD but i agree with you ,ive seen those videos on it they're fascinating.I dont believe if cracked it would give his name though,i think he was lieing about that
@@dawnfarrow3264 I stand corrected, thanks. It's funny I looked at her name and saw Harden, and not Harding.
@@phoneone1371 Yeah, they say only a small portion, in the center of the body of the cipher, contains a msg, the rest is gibberish. I think when it's eventually solved it will be a bit like when Ralphy in A Christmas Story solves his Orphan Annie cipher. Disappointing, it will be another sarcastic taunt at police, or something like "SLAVES BY GUN, BY KNIFE, BY ROPE, BY FIRE". Something he later communicated b/c he couldn't wait for them to solve it, but still wanted the msg conveyed w/o giving up the cipher(s).
Dr. Grande slips wry humor in with no effort at all, love it
It’s so understated. Easy to miss if you’re not paying attention.
Murders grammar lol
missprojected valueing? Love how many of these mental health practicioners seem to have some unresolved underlying issues. A shrink I visited said one patient had an death idealization. He also told me matter of factly about a former patent who commited suicide. Strange therapeutic approach. I mean what purpose would it serve?
I wonder if he even knows he's being humorous!
@@janniedotson9559 He doesn't strike me as the humorous type. Although the subject matter covered by him is quite serious.
25:18 This is the scariest thing about reading Robert Graysmith's book. We meet suspect after suspect that are horrible, dangerous people and each one in turn definitely seems to be a match, but then something proves that it's not them, and the takeaway is that killers just like the Zodiac are everywhere. It would have been nice to catch him, but it would also have only been a drop in the bucket.
Allan no a lot are like him
Truth
“It’s on and on with this button thing”
😂 Dr. Grande is hilarious in the most dry way and I love it. Zodiac was such a child.
I loved the fact that darlene was sleeping around big time eventhough she was married, go darlene! : )
This quack might of been the kulpreet for all I ker. Look at them evil ays on his head!!
@@ilewtf2234 💀💀💀
He was a child but he still didn't get caught like Joseph DeAngelo
Is that why he got away? Cuz he was such a child?
This video creeped me out at the end.... The guy was never caught, he's likely dead now, many people think they know who he is, but an eternal mystery.... I don't like that, unsolved mysteries bother me
I can promise you if I told you the name of the Zodiac killer, you would say “who’s that?” There is solid evidence (DNA, fingerprints, handwriting) just waiting for a suspect to match. Law enforcement has ruled out every credible suspect they’ve had.
An inordinate sum of unsolved mysteries have occurred throughout history, many of which I'm certain you're unawares to and yet would find much more interesting.
@@aiGeis
I doubt ANY cases are as interesting as Zodiac. Or will ever be.
While considered a non-canonical crime in the Zodiac sense, the Riverside Confession letter of 1966 re Cheri Jo Bates when converted to Morse through word length variation reveals -
' Intestis as I hone Z...Mete Stine I ensure it fund... a hiss and tart senses a shake...it's like mescline (sic) East I sit/East is it etc, etc. ...Gar.
The coding requires a very high IQ of which the Zodiac killers certainly have.
I propose they are
GSP ('Gar' ?), TK (both were at Berkeley, former in military previously) -also in the group Dr G.H, EVB Jr? TK is none other than ...
It is multi layered esoteric cryptography that echoes a world shaping political event that the events in turn cryptically name participants in that apparent travesty. They also appear to be asking for payment in the form of cars. Easily hideable/convertible cashless transactions?
See my very recent video on the Lake Berryessa Caesar field code a deliberately annoying and crude robot voice and in the style of 'Z' an apparently crude and somewhat inept video .
'Pyro Z's Dr at BUC'
'Drs cursed Ted K in a Z job'
'Z a G.Hodel man'
Click on the generic R profile icon to see LoFi cryptography videos with the answers. Thanks
Before he could be identified, the Zodiac successfully ran for office, becoming a US Senator from Texas. This way, he could use his political influence to shut down any investigations that might lead back to him
I believe the main suspect died in jail, put there from other charges. Nothing could be proven but the killing stopped. I lived two blocks from where son of Sam made his last kills, two people in Brooklyn. The neighborhood was frantic. They caught him because of those shootings. He was parked in someone’s driveway and they called the police that ticketed his car. Good police work found a ticket was given to someone who’s car was registered in the Bronx that morning. They found the car and looked in the backseat and saw weapons. Waited for the owner to show up and they caught him. His words to the cops were “ what took you so long “. Very creepy times......
The use of radians is a SIN of an attempt to seem intelligent COS he did not implement any further use of trigonometry. He just wanted to confuse the police by sending them off on a TANGENT.
I think you have the RIGHT ANGLE.
Aren’t you clever!
I like how "Matter of fact" you are in presenting this case Dr. Grande.
The secant you mentioned radians I know you have to a very intelligent man.
I hope that your comment is not to OBTUSE for some readers!
The 340 cipher was solved this week!
@@kathykline7202 you didn’t attach a url
And seems like he did see that TV show.
The guy sounds so insecure and immature.
Wow.
Sadly, after reading tons about this case over the years, my conclusion is that the police are never really as smart as they want you to believe they are. The FBI have brilliant people, no doubt,
but they are rarely involved early on in cases like this, or at least, years ago they weren't when it counted, which is tragic.
They want to take the short cut more often then they care to admit at times.
Good points. As the FBI has to be asked to help with investigations by the police, helps to explain why the FBI are not involved at an early stage. That is very unfortunate as the FBI have more experience and resources. Which also speaks to your point about police. The focus needs to be on the victim. Asking for assistance from all agencies is the smart thing to do.
I just don't understand, with all the clues the killer left how the police or FBI did not catch him? No DNA on the letters? No tracing of records, it is just sad that there are unsolved murders
And none of them are God
Buncha pot smokin' fools
im no doctor but ive been around alot of criminals, my take is he had a short stint in the military after dropping out of high school,then tried to become a cop and was either fired or didnt get the job. so his next best thing was a security job mental hospital , a lot of people went missing in the san fran area in that time period so its hard to say how many he really did kill.
I like your analysis
A pretty official group of Ex-LEOs (army intelligence, police, etc) said they found out who he was. His name is Gary Poste and his story reminded me of what you said
I live in the area that Zodiac stalked his victims. It's extra creepy when you've been to most of the sites of the crime.
I lived three blocks from where the cab driver was killed on Washington Street at Fillmore Avenue in Pacific Heights. And dated a girl who lived on Maple Street. I think it was in 1975.
@@surfside-hj2ue how big was the case for locals back then? was everyone scared?
Are you a tour bus operator?
The Golden Gate Killer seems way more creepy and scary than the Zodiac ever was (not that his victims wouldn't disagree).
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 The media makes or breaks anybody or anything, good or bad by whether they harp on it, or ignore it.
I'm sure eventually they will figure out who zodiac is if they really want to. They have his DNA (assuming the samples from the letters are accurate), it's just a matter of using family tree DNA to find some distant relatives and trace back from there. One of his ciphers was cracked recently, so breakthroughs are possible in this case.
Isn’t it recently theorized to be Ted Cruz, or related too? At least according to Trump’s research. I heard there was a television expose…but they only aired it once. 😮🫢
Maybe, but maybe we will never know who he was, like Jack the Ripper.
They might have his DNA, but they don't have the DNA of everyone who lived in the 1960s. There is very little to match the DNA sample against.
Excellent take on Zodiac. I tend to agree with Robert Douglas regarding the type of person Z was: if Arthur Lee Allen wasn't the Zodiac, then the zodiac was someone very much like him. Dr Grande hit the nail on the head: "It's frightening to think of just how many people fit the profile"..
Arthur Lee Allen wasn't the zodiac a lot of things shows it such as the footprint on the taxi of paul wasn't the one of arthur and also a lot of people who saw the zodiac killer tend to agree that he isn't arthur so
The bad grammar may be an attempt to hide his identity.
interesting, but I use bad grammar to identify scams, the Jamaincan posse, that Nigerian Prince that wants my money, and what if they all started using "Grammarly"??? I'd be toast. Bad grammar hides the identity (apparently) of several hundred MILLION facebook users.
Exactly my thought.
It's odd that a man couldn't spell kid correctly knows how to use a semicolon and words like consternation. In some cases I think he's punning. "a cid" = acid, for instance.
👈 ' Pyro Z's Dr at BUC'
' Drs cursed Ted K in a job '
' Z a G Hodel man. '
'Taurus'
All text adjacencies found within two arrays of ' Lake Berryessa ' Caesar shifted.
LoFi vid on my YT channel (complete with 'annoying Robot voice' ) Thanks.
Zodiac was far from a genius. Nor was he smart. He was however incredibly lucky. That's probably why he stopped. He probably bought a lottery ticket and won the jackpot. The racist cops would have caught him redhanded had the idiots not "mistaken" white male for black male.
That's not intelligent that's just stupid.
I have a possible theory on the “bad grammar” component. As a child in grade school I was hospitalized for behavioral issues. This was at a time when I would have been taught hand writing, and grammar. That was likely the a cause in me having bad spelling/grammar. In the hospital, the school work was mostly math based, and I wound up excelling there. So much so, later on I was moved up grades, and graduated HS two years early. My writing skills are not terrible by average standards, but are when compared to any of my other academic skills. Plus, I have spell check.
Interesting. So is your kill count higher or lower than 5?
Very intriguing point. There were many long-term childhood hospitalizations in the first part of the century. Your theory is quite valid. I like it.
That is very interesting, because of course it’s easy to imagine the Zodiac might have been in some sort of institution as a child or teen.
Great point Mike! When I had to do a mentorship in college, I sat in real job interviews with my mentor as he interviewed perspective hires. One gentleman who came in was a mathematical genius PHD but his writing was awful. My mentor mentioned this to him and the man responsed that his PhD dissertation was all math based and therefore he didn't need to write. He didn't get the job, by the way.
Iron Fist Films I’ve also found many of us who are math and logic based, don’t really give much importance to writing. To purpose should be to convey the proper information, not make it pretty or technically correct. Spending mental resources concerned about such things seems like a waste.
It would be very interesting to hear your analysis of the Black Dahlia killer. Vicious murder.
There was a video by Deadbug where he gives more information about the whole thing. It seems she was a mafia killing.
@@aliceg2586 nobody knows anything. They never will.
It was Steve.
nothing sends chills down my spine like a grammar murderer
Julie Nguyen yes, 26 cases from A to Zee....😍😍😍😍
I guess he wasn't paying attention at school after all.
Was on my way to bed when I read your comment and it really made me laugh, I needed that so I won't have bad dreams, I have enough of them without watching videos about serial killers:)
...EEk Gads!....truly a terrifying thought
Julie Nguyen, right, one can’t trust a person who doesn’t have any respect for the rules of grammar.
It's interesting that he called himself "The Zodiac Killer." That smacks of narcissism right there. It's also Interesting that the media puts labels on serial killers, too. The killers want the attention and the media gives in mindlessly to their notions.
And interesting he failed to use the Zodiac label in the first letter. Doubtless he then spent hours brainstorming on something that would sound "cool" :) .
Right u r the zodiac isn't the universe it's everything n the universe he said I am everything
He probably got it from the zodiac branch watch, which also had the circle/cross hairs logo he used.
We all do, which is why we are here.
It is because of the wristwatch. Wqs it expensive back then???@@paulcarpenter999
The drawing of the suspect in the upper right hand corner😂 I thought this was one of those jokes on a news anchor where the pic matches the anchor😂
I grew up in the area where he did the killings. Back when I was in grammar school, he sent a note to the police indicating that he might target children from school buses. So we had police cars following our school busses. Weird.
I remember when I first learned about this case, how his letter that referred to killing the schoolchildren as they got off their school bus sent a chill down my spine. Yet, I wonder if the reason he didn’t kill the woman he abducted was that she had her infant child with her. He seems to have had some change come over him after the Paul Stine murder, in any case. I doubt we will ever see this case solved. Thanks for the analysis, Dr. Grande, and I’m glad to see your concern for the welfare of the English language - so rare, these days! 😄
He was stopped by police officers right after the Stine murder and witnesses saw him from a window as well as the police officers that were able to provide a description and do a composite sketch of him. I think how close he came to being caught he got scared knowing he's flying to close to the Sun and stopped.
@usmc 03retired yeah that is also likely. It's very possible that was done by another sick individual
There are many who feel the episode in Modesto did not happen at all. I don’t know for certain, but the woman ended up not far from where she claims she was kidnapped. Seems a bit unusual to go through the trouble of a kidnapping and simply bring the victim back to where it started.
@David Mitnick who cares? Unless he had some interesting theory to share, his opinion is entirely irrelevant.
@Sunsetsully Awakened He could have read about the Johns claims in the papers (it was reported in detail), as he was not above taking credit for things he didn't actually do. And why bother putting the wheel back on and risk discovery? And who kidnaps a person and brings them back to the place where they were kidnapped? This is why so many are skeptical of the entire incident.
I agree in that he was actually average in intellect because we are talking about a time where the forensic science was not that advance.
Yes, Dr. Grande! I've been saying that both Son of Sam and the Zodiac were both what we know now as incels, killing that which they could not have for themselves.
I was a homemaker/mom in the Bay Area during that unforgettable time. Thank you, Dr Grande, for all your hard work. Please stay well.
I am skeptical that the Zodiac targeted women in particular here is why:
When he tied up Bryan Hartnell and Cecilia Shepard and stabbed them the woman was stabbed more than the man but...they acted very differently when stabbed. Bryan played dead while Cecilia thrashed about and made as much noise as she could until the end. It could have been this difference in behavior that caused Cecilia to be stabbed more frequently and not the fact that she was a woman.
When he attacked Darlene Ferrin and Michael Mageau the woman died and the man survived but...He shot Darlene five times and Michael four times (not much of a difference and Michael was shot first) the reason why Darlene died is because the bullets that struck Michael went through him and struck her too so she got a double dose. Therefore I don't see how you could deduce that he had a greater desire to kill the woman during this incident.
When he killed David Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen it is true that Betty was shot more times than David but...David was shot at point blank range while Betty was shot from d distance while she was running away. Again there are valid alternative explanations as to why more force was seemingly used on the female other than the Zodiac had it in for women.
I completely agree with your assessment. I don't think he particularly set his sights up to murder the women any more than the men. Great view of the case!
Agreed!
Yeah i think it's just the fact two of the men lived vs none of the women living. Which as you pointed at can be easily explained. I think he was targeting couples.
exactly. i was surprised to hear him say that. if he wanted to only kill women, why did he target couples and a single man? he'd just target women, period. it makes no sense to me.
@Pablo L. how do you know, pablo?
A symptom of schizotypal personality disorder is an unusual manner of speech. Zodiac's voice was described as robotic and monotonous.
Dr. Grande it must be difficult to see the way ppl misuse terms like "psychotic"& "sociopathic"w/o regard for actual scientific definitions. Thanks for another well-done analysis.
Scientists disagree on what those terms mean. It doesn't matter.
There’s just no way this guy wouldn’t have been caught in the current era. This is one mystery I’d love to be alive to see solved.
DB Cooper?
I agree, Zodiac would have been found in 2022. The thing is that he was a sophisticated predator and the police were bewildered because they were using old fashioned methods to search for him. Today, with cameras on every corner, he surely would have been caught.
Hold my beer.
Why is death the ultimate insult for a narcissist? Is it an insurmountable proof of the delusional base of their grandiosity? Is it because no matter how entitled to everything they are, they cannot obtain assured immortality? Does it challenge their false identity's strength and uniqueness by triggering the commonplace fear of the unknown? I'm offering my own conjectures but I can't be too confident yet I have noticed this idea of death and aging being a huge trigger.
At the worst, at some twisted level, maybe they believe the whole world literally ends when they die. So they must always go on. Them being the ultimate center of it. Everyone/ thing else is just fluff for them to use and abuse.
The narcissist can't die. Admission that they are mortal would cause the whole hollow structure to collapse. The world lives on; the narcissist is gone and soon forgotten. And that runs counter to any narrative of grandiosity.
It’s the one thing they can’t manipulate or have any control over.
Death indeed humbles everyone. Probably hard to cope with for narcissist.
because how dare nature make them do what they don't want to - age and die
they didn't sign up for this! they didn't give any agreement to die! wtf god?!
Congrats for 101 patrons, doctor. 🎈
I realize that this is an older video and that you will probably not see this, but I am really enjoying your criminal profile videos. I hope that you continue to make them.
I lived in Napa while the Zodiac was on his crime spree. He killed people at Lake Berryessa, Vallejo and in San Francisco. At the same time there was a copy cat killer called the Golden State killer who was just caught last year. He was in his seventies. So the Zodiac could still be alive. There was also the Trail side killer around the same time. He is in prison and in his 80's.
i used to think the gsk was the zodiac lol
That grammatical murder comment has me rolling
Me too! Truly no respect for the laws of grammar!
Yes, he must be really stupid. His syntax is little better indicating poor education.
The misspellings were on purpose...
Dr. Grande, I love all of your videos and your perspective on mental health issues.
Can you pls do a video on the series “Married At First Sight?” It’s a series where three “experts”, all of whom have degrees and licenses in relationship and/or sex therapy, convince ppl to marry complete strangers... at first sight.
I’m concerned that the show prioritizes drama over mental health and I think the “experts” have to be in violation for deliberately putting ppl in embarrassing and dangerous (sometimes physically dangerous) circumstances.
Your perspective on this popular show would be appreciated.
I hope this show is all fake. I saw it once & felt it cringe worthy. How can people volunteer for marriage. Remember the Dating Game serial killer ? The girl did back out of the date ,but he was the contestant she picked. Thank goodness she had second thoughts !
As someone whose mother watches the show, I would greatly value your thoughts on it. Let's just say it's not a show I'd volunteer to watch with her.
Wait, what? There´s show where "experts" manipulate random people to marry other random people? It must be fake. Even the most desperate and lonely people would have some dignity to refuse this. It´s like medieval forced marriages. It can´t be legal in our society.
@@blazefairchild465 Wasn't that Ted Bundy on the dating game.
@@sadiestoltzfus9798 his name was Rodney alcala
The drawing of killer looks just like Dr. Grande!
I really enjoy when you go over the crime history AND the psychology rather than only the psychology. Adds great context to your explanations and it’s way more entertaining
Your assessment of Albert Fish would be quite interesting.
Yes! I believe him to be one of most notorious, yet tragically under recognized killers. Probably because it was so long ago. His exploits need to be brought to light for everyone nowadays that already have an interest in serial killers.
Sounds like a real jerk. The more I learn about that guy, the more I don't care for him.
@@seanseanston We have real Norm fan here!
He's the freak that also had hundreds of pins in his body inserted over many years!
@@vintagebrew1057 i think he was the sickest of them all since he tortured little girls
Great video doc. Just one question; what did you think of the David Fincher movie about the case, "Zodiac"? I think it's his best. And am fascinated with his approach, that is, his movie is not really about the Zodiac case, but obsession. And how obsession affected three lives. The lead detective, a top crime reporter, and a somewhat odd cartoonist, who became convinced he could solve the case, even at the cost of his second marriage.
Lawrence Klein(born April 29, 1924) lived at 217 Eddy St in S.F. in 1969. He had lived in Oakland 1964-1969. That S.F. address is near the Curran Theater where Zodiac hailed a taxi driven by Paul Stine.
Needs an incredible amount of attention....why does that sound so familiar?
I watched a video on the Zodiac yesterday, and this got uploaded today.
Stop reading my mind, Doc.
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There’s no you tuber I can listen to talk for 20 minutes straight. Keep up the great content
The thumbnail more or less proves it 100%.
Grande is The Zodiac, The Zodiac is Grande!
I really like how you list out the events chronologically - it's all very clear and concise - without much deviation or speculation. I find a lot of other true crime analysis tends to lead the audience towards a particular conclusion; I much prefer your format.
Keep up the great work!
"And probably a bed wetter."
Well that took an interesting turn...
Yep, it sure did.
Dr. Grande, your choice of topics, and your well put together and consice presentations are truly a blessing in hard times like these. It may sound silly, but people like you are keeping a lot of us stable emotionally with how logical and rational your videos are. A wonderful escape! Where are you located? Im curious as to what diagnoses youd come up with for me!
A J H PRODUCTIONS you seem to possess a lot of Individual Thought Patterns.
He would come up with a truthful diagnosis, not just random. He is in Delaware at Wilmington University..
this and a couple other therapist based youtube channels are helping getting me through
shane parry I was thinking the same thing? Maybe someone young and doesn’t use words like they had used very often? Considering the grammar etc?
Nick it’s more that his thumbnail is the band Death, and they had an album called Individual Thought Patterns, but I appreciate your comment!
I found your analysis very interesting. I'm watching some of your older videos. This one popes up so I clicked on it. So glad I did.
Very interesting. It is frightening that so many people thought they were related to
the zodiac killer. That is just plain scary!
Thank you Dr Grande.
from the way he kills people, the car crash, the stabbings, shooting at a distance, not killing the woman and child, etc. Its kinda weird how he does not seem particularly thrilled with the whole murder process. as if it's something to get out of the way instead of something he enjoys.
I know what happened to the Zodiac killer. He was killed by Dirty Harry: "Did I fire five shots or six? ..."
Have you ever seen the documentary Grey Gardens? I know it’s quite old but I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on those two and their relationship.
Top Tier Teal Tipped Spears this would be so good!
I’d love to hear him do Grey Gardens! They did a movie based on the documentary addressing the making of the first.
Great suggestion!!
Yes. It’s got a vote from me, too
This would be fascinating!
Nice suggestion. Ya know, I've had that dvd for over 15 years and I still never finished it. Not saying it was "bad", just there's something about those two that prevented me from finishing.
I always interpreted the grammar and spelling mistakes as entirely intentional, fundamentally designed to make cracking the cyphers harder. By adding additional letters on the end of words, it would make finding patterns in the code far more complex, and thus, trickier. Also find it bizarre how Toschi and Graysmith’s favourite suspect (Arthur Leigh Allen) misspelt words in Christmas cards because he thought it was funny. I.e. spelling Christmas as “christmass” - similar to how the Zodiac did in his letters.
I agree with the intentional misspelled words. Zodiac was clever, and he obviously enjoyed his cat-and-mouse games with the media. I think some of his cyphers are made up nonsense, that's why no one has been able to solve them. I've read up on the Zodiac case and I see similarities between Zodiac and the Unabomber. Also, I really believe that Author Lee Allen is a strong suspect
True, but you know the original spelling of Christmas was, in fact, Chriist Mass--the Mass celebrating the birth of Christ.
In my opinion I believed it was Arthur Leigh Allen. Thank you Dr. Grande I am getting addicted to watching your videos. Even on cases unfamiliar. The relaxed voice sometimes is the last thing I hear before sleep. So many big cases that I enjoy your analysis. Sometimes I wish there was more of a personal hypothesis, but usually there is.
He did not fit the police sketches that were drawn of the killer
One thing I don't understand is I saw an episode of Forensic Files about Zodiac and on it they caught him and showed his name and everything ...
I remember when we were kids this was going on and we lived in the area those were a ghost stories we told each other scared the crap out of us every time we heard somebody else that died this whole case was just crazy
Would really find it interesting if you spoke about the number of serial killers that started their murder sprees on the west coast. Of course, there's Ted Bundy from WA, Green River Killer also in WA, Columbia River Killer in Oregon, and then the many Serial killers originating from CA. There's Richard Ramirez, Hillside Strangler, Golden State Killer, Zodiac, Freeway Killer and many more. Is this just coincidental, or is there something unique to these West Coast serial killers?
Yeah, really! What is it about the Pacific Northwest, anyway? It's a beautiful place, but it seems to be a weird magnet for serial killers. WTF?!?
Great stuff, Dr, Grande. Your analysis is spot on, as usual!
Thank you for your videos, Dr. Grande! So glad I came across your channel.
Dr Grande looks like the sketch of the Zodiac Killer. LOL the side-by-side cracked me up! Good video, as always!
Comment 7: 35 views. I wish I could have more notice as to your choice of topics so I could read up before, rather than after. I genuinely feel sorry for these. However in watching a video on young Bob Dylan, being interviewed in a crowd, someone commented on CZcams they identified the Zodiac in the crowd. Incidentally I saw a look alike of myself in the crowd. 😄that was around 1969.
Thankyou for the videos, 😃. It gives some perception into the Pscyhe. 😀
I’m glad some people still look at killers like the Zodiac Killer seriously. True crime’s been ruined lately for me because of people treating these people like pop culture icons.
I’m probably most annoyed recently with all the people claiming to be related to the Zodiac Killer. There’s about a dozen online claiming to be his child, or relative, and even a book was published by someone claiming to be his son.
Haha. All the little groupies that want to crawl into their heads and fix them. Sickening.
I find it totally bizarre myself. Who the hell wants to believe that good old Dad was an infamous serial killer?!?
Hey Doc I know you are a trained professional but does looking into some of these people make you skin crawl? It does mine and I think wow you are a tougher man than I! It's scary to think there are people like this walking among us everyday.
The Zodiac seems to have been an "assassin" type of offender, as categorized by the FBI. His preferential method was clean and cool. He escalated at Lake Berryessa with the very personal stabbings, even stating, "I'm getting nervous" as he bound the victims. After two of the three male victims had survived, he singled out a male cab driver and reverted to his "assassin" method to prove that he could kill a man when the media had stated otherwise. Politics stood in the way making progress with the rudimentary forensics available at the time. Hopefully the truth is eventually known for the surviving victims, families and law enforcement that have lived with this for a half century and closure can be had.
There was an investigator, a retired police detective (sorry I don't recall his name) who spent years pursuing the identity of the zodiac killer. He was pretty certain he figured out who he was. The problem seemed to be tying evidence to the killer.
As Dr. Grande mentions, many of these criminals wind up behind bars due to other crimes committed. Very likely could have been the case here.
Who was it or the cop?
He isnt in jail. And he is not dead.
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I read and watched a movie about the zodiac killer and it was a journalist that pursued the identity of this killer and whom the killer kept in contact with him .A person who was in gaol years later by the name of Allen but sorry I can’t remember his last name ,was thought to be the zodiac killer and who later died in prison .At the time it was thought he had killed many more and the killings stopped from the time he was imprisoned .
Another interesting video, Dr. Grande. Well done❗️
One of your best episodes, Dr. Grande!
Thanks sincerely!
Another day, another video, giving us some new things to think about, thanks!
Hi Dr Grande. I was wondering if you could look at a couple of interesting cases on this side of the pond. The cases of Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper who was interviewed by the police 9 times, the Shannon Matthews abduction where her mother Karen Matthew's staged a on abduction of a 9 year old,and two murderous couples the Wests and the Moors Murders. I am interested in your take on the perpetrators of these horrific crimes.
You are helping us to remain emotionally stable with your analysis; keep up the good work!!
I have no idea who the Zodiac Killer is. But it really makes me sick that he got away with it. He's very likely dead by now and they will never be Justice For Those victims. You would think that with all the new DNA testing available in this country that they would be able to figure it out. But apparently not.
I remember the zodiac killer from when I was a little girl. We couldn't go trick or treating because of the zodiac killers. I would go to Blue Rock Springs Park to play.
Blue Rock was the golf course.
In WI we used to play on the golf course as well, which was even more fun because it had to be done under the radar, as the ground's keepers hated anyone messing up the greens. We were very careful not to harm the greens, tho. Evading ground's keepers was the extra thrill. We loved the little ball washer stations, it was all so exotic. We also liked the cemetary, which was very scenic and well maintained, and we used to picnic there.
I love this one Dr Grande! Great analysis 👏🏼👏🏼
Dr. Grande , I just found out about you and your channel. I really like the whole set up and I find your insights and your analysis of these people amazing. Keep up the good work brother.
A very interesting talk, as always. Thanks very much.
Yay! Haven't been able to sleep all night, its 7am. I've requested this video before, so I'm happy to see it!
Edit: "his ability to murder grammar." Amen Dr.Grande
Your sense of humor has really come through in the past few videos! I enjoy your videos even more so now!
How witty is Dr Grande's sense of humour though 😂😂 He just throws it in there and continues talking like he never said it.
I love it! Fits my sense of humor perfectly!
LOL I can't sleep. Hazzah! That's funny. Dr. G is a great story teller.
@robertb3773 what? Am I whose ex wife?
I have no idea how I found you but I’m so glad I did. All your videos are fascinating and I only trust you and Stephanie Harlowe to truly look at things objectively and give every topic fair analysis. Thank you
I’m hooked. Can’t stop watching your vids, Doc! Thanks for the informative and interesting episodes.
I put your videos on to fall asleep. Not that you’re boring!!! You’re voice is calming and these are super interesting!!! Thanks for making these
Wow! This is one power-packed analysis!
Another amazing overview of another huge case. Thank you for your continued insight into both mental health, and how it has played out possibly in many cases. Great videos Gr.Grande💯👍🏼
Since the latest 340 cipher had been decoded recently, and the television broadcast had been mentioned in it, I think we can definitely conclude that the killer had been watching. it might have been his biggest success in life, he got on tv... sort of.
Your Detailed analysis is insightful and entertaining. Society craves certainty in the face of random horror. This explains the media circus surrounding the pandemic. Your calm reasoned approach finds a sympathetic audience at this time, sir.
Great video Dr. Grande.
You are really helping us get through this period with productive videos.
I love these videos. Soothing voice, and insights are pretty even on the pro/con which is refreshing.
Top of the morning Dr. Grande, I have literally tried to analyze why I find your videos so appealing ( other than my attraction to your shirts..lol)?. I've decided it doesn't matter. I find your videos a happy part of my day, every day. It definitely caught my attention when you mentioned the sending of a piece of shirt. In any event, please keep it up because I look forward to watching everyday.
i really love these videos!!! keep up the great work! ❤
This was my # 1 most wanted case (to be solved) for many years. Now, it's the Jon Benet Ramsey case. The idea of shooting kids as they exit a school bus reminds me of the only movie I attended where I had to get up and leave the theater. That scene in Dirty Harry was just too realistic for me at the time. Thanks for the informative and interesting video.
I didn't know Dirty Harry was, in fact based on the Zodiac until a few years ago.
Great analysis, thank you, doctor. ☺️
Love your insite Doc Please keep your sharing up
His best analysis yet. I've always been very interested in the Zodiac Killer and have read the book as well as watched the two movies about the Zodiac. Very interesting.
Thank you for all your video's. They are not only informative but interesting. I appreciate all the thought and time you put into them. I would love to hear you talk about The Golden State killer/Joseph DeAngelo.
Dr.Grande, is it Christmas?!? All the amazing true crime analyses! I’m gonna cry 🙏🙏
You are a person that captures the details. Like others, I studied this case a bit.
As per usual ..GREAT breakdown, DG 👍...I think he possibly made those grammatical errors intentionally...GREAT CHANNEL !
would you ever do a video about "gang stalking" and the people who call themselves "targeted individuals"?
Starbucks Activist Yes, this is very interesting. Troubling individuals