Forensic Psychiatrist Psychoanalyses the Zodiac Killer
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- The Zodiac Killer murdered five known victims in the San Francisco Bay Area between December 1968 and October 1969, operating in rural, urban and suburban settings. He targeted young couples and a lone male cab driver. Two of his attempted victims survived.
The Zodiac himself claimed to have murdered 37 victims, and he has been linked to several other cold cases, some in Southern California or outside the state.
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The Zodiac originated the name himself in a series of taunting letters and cards that he mailed to regional newspapers, threatening killing sprees and bombings if they were not printed. Some of the letters included cryptograms, or ciphers, in which the killer claimed that he was collecting his victims as slaves for the afterlife.
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Loved doing this as always, you're a legend Dr. Sohom.
Andrew so happy to see you two together!! You have such a gentle, kindhearted disposition. You forgot to call Dr Das The OMINOUS SOHOMINOUS (🤭🤣.) Always a Great show when you two are together! Much 💜to you Andrew. Really enjoy your channel!
@@ak49snocat89 haha i did forget to call him that! I met him in real life last week, was lovely! Thanks for the kind words :)
He was caught, but public is not ready to handle this full story. I have been called every name in the book for saying it. He was alive at the time of this recording. Public has not been told except people that have worked on the case. There was a true dna match. Most LE knows his name. I reported his name the minute I knew what it was.
I think the whole “slaves for the afterlife” thing was just to throw them off and he didn’t really believe that. I think he also purposely misspelled words to try and throw them off of the of his real identity/personality.
As a former mental health professional, I believe anyone who has ever been repeatedly violent or a repeat sex offender is at risk of re-committing. The only exceptions would be those who are physically unable to do so. So I would report their disclosures of previous crimes, and consider the safety that provides to potential victims, as more important than the risk of being sued by them if they never re-committed. Just my opinion.
But he is dead, can you then ???
Here's an important question, define what you mean by "violence"
same as the dictionary definition. Are you looking for a loophole?@@liambutler9427
Until a few years ago, I had Dissociative Identity Disorder. I was able to keep it hidden. I graduated from high school with honors. I completed an internship at a veterinary clinic. I was able to complete 2 years of college. I've planned my own wedding, including the design and fabrication of my wedding dress. The bride's maid dresses and a unique dress for the maid of honor. I have raised a child. I was an active member of the PTO at my son's elementary school. I organized my own fund raiser. I escaped my abusive family and dangerous husband. I was able to flee to a city with only the luggage that I could carry and $100-. I had a domestic violence shelter to stay in, but I did the work to establish myself in an environment that I have never been in before. I had to learn a lot of the skills necessary to become independent. In 8 months, I went from being homeless to obtaining housing. I assure you that a lot of people who have DID are perfectly capable of good cognition and independence.
The alternate identities helped me cope with the trauma and made capable of functioning during trauma that should have destroyed me. I was able to achieve more than I could have, without this condition. Having DID for so many years, isn't a tragedy. What was done repeatedly to me from a very young age, by people who were supposed to protect me, was the tragedy.
People who have DID are phenomenally strong survivors and should be given credit for those strengths
Zodiac did not send any letters composed of letters cut out from magazines or newspapers - that is completely inaccurate
@13:04 Oof! I wish he had better described the costume the murderer wore at Beryessa. He was dressed as a medeival executioner. I think a TON of planning went into that attack. And, ever since I read about that attack I have never forgotten it, it's so terrifying, even compared to other terrible murders.
As a native Californian from the San Francisco Bay Area, born and raised in the 60's, there were plenty of symbols that have nothing to do with executions that showed up in the Zodiac Killer costume and correspondence. The First Presbyterian Church is one of many Protestant churches that used the same symbol. The hood could have simply been used by the killer to cover unique, identifiable physical features.
@@user-yd6th5ch5k Fascinating! What were the symbols? I was raised as an atheist and because of that so much subtext goes right over my head! But, I can deconstruct SpongeBob better than a dishwasher.
@@kiskakuznetsova503 The symbol on the Zodiac Killer's Lake Berryessa costume can also be interpreted as a Celtic Cross, a cross with a circle. It's what the Presbyterian Church, from Scotland, uses and is part of their history. There are Presbyterian Churches all over the US and the San Francisco Bay Area that used that symbol.
Now that you say that, of course! That makes sense!@@user-yd6th5ch5k
Well surprise, the maker of the costume is more than likely an uncle costume designer who lived less than a mile from the Zodiac at that time. The uncle had also designed a line of clothes called - guess ?? Yes it was.
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Zodiac: he seemed to me to be what today we call an Incel. He had an excessive sense of entitlement, and arrogantly demanded respect rather than earning it.
He had a profound narcissism of personality. The narcissism was pathological and pernicious, demanding total situational and psychological control of his victims. He was an organized killer as well. He was intelligent but might have had an undiagnosed learning disability in youth. He seemed to have a complex.
He seemed to be motivated by a tremendous jealousy or covetousness of intimacy which enraged him. He is most definitely deceased as he would have continued to kill until he was caught or destroyed.
Just my thoughts.
He is deceased. But I was told by the law enforcement on the case he hadnt gotten into trouble since 85 when he returned from the country he fled to. I kind of think he was in the air force. He was in the Middle east up to 85. When he knew he was a serious suspect, he changed names of himself and wife on Internet, ages, etc. He named wife luftgraffe or something simiiar. It means "air force" in German. In addition his house he lived in since 85/ Its 8 miles in a straight shot to the air force reserve location. THEORY (but you are right I believe, I was kind of shocked about the 1990 Christmas card.
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Andrew you were stating that the Zodiac used letters cut from a magazine to make his letters to the police. He did not. He wrote all of them and he used cipher codes to sent them and the newspapers.
Hi Doc! One question: I looked back on a suspect named Ross Sullivan. He fit the bill in numerous ways which I won’t list here. My question is could a paranoid schizophrenic, which he was be cogent and organized enough in his thinking to commit the “perfect murders” and to confound the police, FBI and others with his ciphers? My thinking is that is not likely, yet he is the perfect suspect in every way. Apparently he spent time in mental health facilities off and on and became quite mentally ill . He died in 1977 at 36 years old. The last confirmed cypher was received in 1974.
I would expect a paranoid schizophrenic to be quite disabled by the disease. Sullivan even knew one of the victims through his brother and looks exactly like the composite sketch. Even his brother felt that he could be the Zodiac killer. Paradoxically, given his illness, I think he must have been. If you addressed this already in this vid I apologize, I missed some of it.
There were countless good suspects, violent and troubled from that era, in the 60's in the San Francisco Bay Area. They all had the same look.
Excellent video, and this case is one Americans wish would be solved. I believe he’s likely dead. Don’t know if any LE has any DNA, probably not. I also subscribed to Andrew’s channel!
Yes!!!
This was so completely fascinating to listen to
Thanks!
Thanks Clare
I cant believe no one went down the path of investigation i did. It was also quite easy.
He was bullied at school, but as a teacher. He taught highschool and was quite literally a genius. But heavily teased in school, and regected by the girls. He was not impulsive, he was charming and hiding in plain sight. He was extremely manipulative.
that dude wasnt zodiac
There were lots of dangerous men roaming California back during the Zodiac Killer murders. My late father, a violent Sonoma County Child Protective Services' social worker, was one.
I'd like my late father evaluated in these murders and the murder of San Francisco police officer Richard Radetich in June 1970.
My concerns are:
1. The grouping of letters "F J W" in the Zodiac Killer cipher are for my father's name = DolgirefF, (John) Walter. The last letter of the last name was used "F".
2. The grouping of letters in the Zodiac Killer cipher "M J N A" = my mother Marian, younger brother John, and we twin daughters Natalie and Audrey.
3. The grouping of letters "W N A" in the upper right of The Zodiac Killer cipher = my father Walter + we twin daughters Natalie and Audrey.
4. The grouping of letters "R J I" in the Zodiac Killer cipher is my late paternal aunt Irene J. Rust (Terrace St apt, Oakland, Ca).
5. "A I" in the lower right of the Zodiac Killer cipher = my birth name "Audrey Irene" (Dolgireff, Santa Rosa, Calif).
6. My maternal grandmother Margaret Brown Trussell (Santa Rosa, Ca) owned a white 4-door 1960 Caddy with two white fins on the back, like the one used in San Francisco Police Officer Richard Radetich's murder.
Our entire family was gone on vacation, except my father Walter (deceased now) who had access to my grandmother's car. Walter's vacation was Aug 1st.
7. The Zodiac Killer postmarked a letter threat to a San Francisco newspaper on July 26th, my father Walter John Dolgireff's birthday.
8. The Zodiac Killer ordered that his letter he published by Aug 1st, or he would kill more people. Aug 1st was my father Walter John Dolgireff's vacation. He joined us at my maternal grandparents' (Trussell) Echo Lake, Ca cabin above South Lake Tahoe on Aug 1. The only newspaper the Echo Chalet (general store) sold at the remote cabins was the San Francisco newspaper. No tv, no radio, no phones, no electricity, no roads. Cabin owners UC Berkeley crowd.
9. The Celtic Cross used on the Zodiac Killer's Lake Berryessa costume was like the one at our church, First Presbyterian Church of Santa Rosa, Calif, Pacific Ave, Santa Rosa, Calif. My father Walter Dolgireff was on the church's board in the 60's when I was a child. The Celtic Crosd was throughout the inside and outside of the church.
10. My father was a closeted gay man. I found his nude picture, under his legal name, on Gay Chubbies while looking up relatives who'd moved to send them Christmas cards one year. My father was married to wife #2 still/former mistress.
11. Many people in Santa Rosa, Calif think The Zodiac Killer morphed into The Santa Rosa Hitchhiker Serial Killer (1 hr N of San Francisco).
Many of the female murder victims had been in the CPS system. Was my father Walter Dolgireff their social worker? Court archives?
12. My father spent thousands of hours trolling SF Bay Area roads every year. He knew every inch of them. He was obsessive, scary, and strange. Dangerous.
13. My father Walter John Dolgireff (deceased 2014, Santa Rosa, Calif) repeatedly threatened to murder we children when we were preschoolers. He burnt us with scalding water, starved us, threatened to murder us frequently, threatened to drowned us, and did other horrible things.
No one would believe we children about how dangerous Walter was, because of his job as a Child Protective Services' social worker.
Regards,
Audrey Irene Dolgireff, twin #1
Everyone thinks their dad was the zodiac lmao
Thankfully the police have The Zodiac Killer's fingerprints from Paul Stine's San Francisco taxi cab. Police also have the killer's DNA.
Law enforcement IS evaluating my late father.
When someone inquires i will tell all
Part 2**
14/ My late father Walter John Dolgireff (Santa Rosa, Calif) was a large, overweight man. He had brown/red curly hair. He had an odd gait due to herniated discs in his back.
15. My father Walter kept a number of disguises, dyed his hair, and used a tanning lamp to change his skin color. It was winter in the 60's. Raining. Normal fathers in Santa Rosa didn't do any of this.
15/ The Zodiac Killer quoted the story "The Most Dangerous Man of All". This story parallels my paternal Russian grandparents' John and Natalie Dolgireff, Stony Pt Rd (farm), Santa Rosa, Calif fleeing their native Russia in 1917 to California.
Was this story used by The Zodiac Killer a clue to hint at being of Russian heritage like my (late) father Walter John Dolgireff?
The grouping of letters "Z R O F" appear in The Zodiac Killer cipher. I assume this is for Count ZoROfF in the story.
16/ Entire groupings of letters for my relatives are in The Zodiac Killer ciphers.
If you took Statistics in college, this is mathematically rare. It's 3 (spaces) to the 26th power (letters in English alphabet). Or 4 (spaces) to the 26th power (letters in English alphabet).
It's into the trillions of letter combinations that can fit into those spaces, yet it is letters for the proper nouns (names) of my immediate family members.
Considering when these crimes occurred, did any of the old psych meds cause an "odd gait"?
Not likely. They caused tremors not an odd gait.
@@AwfulDog1 But an eye disease (in left eye only) CAN cause an odd gait and he really does have a disbility in one eye. He said that in the Halloween card.
Can vision affect gait?
" Visually impaired persons present an atypical gait pattern characterized by slower walking speed, shorter stride length and longer time of stance. Three explanatory hypotheses have been advanced in the literature: balance deficit, lack of an anticipatory mechanisms and foot probing the ground.
I know it will do this. I have had 2 cornea transplants and was bandaged for days. Parking particularly is a real problam.
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In Australia doctors have a duty to disclose to police any very serious crimes eg murder, violent rape that they are told about. However, as luck would have it, the patient can potentially sue for breach of confidentiality. Ironically we are protected from this if we made the disclosure in good faith…but, crazily, if the patient said they were joking, or delusional or just didn’t do it we could be in trouble legally for confidentiality breach anyway. Basically doctors are a sitting duck in this situation and we just hope to God we don’t have a patient confess such things to us!!!
I don't think he had a deformity, I think he faked it to throw off the scent. I also think he was in law enforcement.
Interesting!
Really? Interesting!! Why do you think he was in law enforcement? Although that doesn’t seem wild at all, just fascinated!
@@freespiritchristina i just think he knew a lot about how things worked, he may well have been on the task force. Its just a feeling I had, I can't put my finger on it.
@@freespiritchristina Interesting yes!
Or the killer simply could have been involved in a job that interacts with law enforcement and the courts, like protective Services' social worker.
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I've always wondered if Zodiac Killer was actually a group of people or a duo. Still an interesting case to this day.
The duo i think was overlooked. The park ranger who showed up at the scene at lake Berreyesa (Dennis Land) looked very similar to the Zodiac however was ruled out because he had an alibi. The Zodiac phoned police from a payphone 30 mins away from crime scene around the same time that Dennis was at the crime scene interviewing with police. Dennis also had a brother that worked with him at Lake Berreysa as a park ranger and I think that duo possibility was never looked into.
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I wonder if he might have been arrested for other crimes and locked up until he was too old to keep killing
No.
I know who it was
Is there material proof that Edward Wayne Edwards was the Zodiac?
The females were the main target so he wasn’t gay. I think the terror he caused was more important to him than the actual killings.
He did have MIP Dr Sohom. His personalities are 2 women, and 2 men. Thats why he could not be nailed on handwriting. The two women are Concerned Citizen, and Patricia haupts, the men are rage him and kind of nice him. Now the Confession letter, See "red dress" no it was red plaid pants. He said she went to slaughter like a lamb, no she went to slaughter like a tiger. Now, those are pretty big items to forget, the only explanation about that and a few other things he did, shows (to me) DID. And I did take abnormal psyc in college.
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I know who it is. I fucking figured it out.
There were 12 really. That 37 C means 37 celcious, and F means fahreinheit. I know who he was, I will listen to this and tell you any possible discrepancies. His name is english and was in Z340 and Z408.
Yes, it was solved. He was unknown. Name in two ciphers aka translations. He was a kid himself. Those are really english like versions of arabic languages. He didnt have curly hair, his eye had a disease and that is why gait was off. Crew cut. He is not the same when he grew up. He never killed as an adult. He loved that power !!!! His dad was dead, he was not abused. He wasnt antisocial. he had nicknames, to have a nickname, you must have friends, he was on a basketball team. I think he does have DID, because of Concerned citizen and Patricia Hauptz letters. To this date, he was into movies and articles about himself. He was on tapatalk and other social media under real name. He lived in California except for the time in Middle east. He sure loves his wife and kids deeply and they loved him. He had many friends. To the guy who is not the host. The so called ciphers are a version of Hindii, Telugu, Tamil and Afrikaans, put them in google trans with special char too, and press enter. You will find name in Z340 and Z408 not Z13. He installed solar panels, later owned a solar company. Yes ! He was in love with someone who had rebuffed him. He was not gay, unless it was in alter egos. Oh, he copied Lake Berryessa exactly in Fl. Shot a 17 year old 18 times in the back. It was him - we got a match. We is the collective we. I could read you off what is in each so called cipher. He was a KID, why do you think many was born in 47 just like him? There were very few random victims. OK, good luck,. and I can give you details of his personal life, I studied him for 4 years.