Film Theory: Red Guardian Fought A FAKE Captain America! (Black Widow)

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    After watching the new Marvel movie, Black Widow, we were all left with one question. Did Red Guardian ACTUALLY Fight Captain America? A lot of people have tried their hand at answering this but I think they've missed the BIGGEST twist of the story. Yes, Red Guardian fought Captain America... but it was NOT Steve Rogers! Who was it? You'll have to watch to find out!
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  • @Irrationaaaaal
    @Irrationaaaaal Před 2 lety +1937

    I thought the payoff would be a moment when Alexi was fighting Taskmaster: Alexi realizes that Taskmaster is using some of caps moves, and does exactly what he says in the story (grabs shield, pushes him out the window)

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache Před 2 lety +8252

    Red Guardian: I wanna fight captain America
    Steve: *Still frozen in ice*
    William Burnside: "Fine I'll do it myself"

    • @mynameisjoedahand3008
      @mynameisjoedahand3008 Před 2 lety +63

      Even though you're better than OwO, your comment still makes no sense =/

    • @PurooRoy
      @PurooRoy Před 2 lety +16

      That's not how this meme is used.

    • @KonradCurves
      @KonradCurves Před 2 lety +32

      Yeah but the captain America' who went back in time isn't. Two caps in the same place. One frozen and one living with Peggy

    • @444angelitaa
      @444angelitaa Před 2 lety +2

      @Junxi Liu yeah it’s jellal

    • @vivianigiehon8194
      @vivianigiehon8194 Před 2 lety +4

      We meet again

  • @EverythingIsLit
    @EverythingIsLit Před 2 lety +221

    That intro was awesome. My favorite part was when Steph proves she loves MatPat because otherwise she wouldn't have been able to get the Soul Stone by sacrificing him otherwise

  • @lightdiamond7035
    @lightdiamond7035 Před 2 lety +2217

    The fight between captain America and the red guardian could’ve actually happened because in endgame when cap went back in time to put the infinity stones back he went to go live his life and maybe during 1983-1984 the one we know as Old man cap may have actually fought The red Guardian while the other captain America was still frozen in ice

    • @jonyenchek3483
      @jonyenchek3483 Před 2 lety +35

      yeah i was thinking that too

    • @shawn980
      @shawn980 Před 2 lety +139

      No because going back in time doesn’t change the present, remember?

    • @jonyenchek3483
      @jonyenchek3483 Před 2 lety +4

      hhhmmmmm

    • @iWreckzombies
      @iWreckzombies Před 2 lety +125

      @@shawn980 but old cap still shows up in Avengers Endgame so maybe it’s the same kind of loophole or time travel mix up that happened there

    • @anonomous1358
      @anonomous1358 Před 2 lety +7

      I was thinking the same thing.

  • @deathsyth8888
    @deathsyth8888 Před 2 lety +5412

    He fought "A" Captain America, not "The" Captain America. So he was technically correct. The best kind of correct. Unless he made it all up for Russian prison cred and then went delusional believing his own lies.

    • @nickhouser3988
      @nickhouser3988 Před 2 lety +45

      I see that futurism a reference lmao

    • @xXLiLJokerXx
      @xXLiLJokerXx Před 2 lety +59

      What if he fought Bradley as cap America

    • @fatpotato317
      @fatpotato317 Před 2 lety +22

      Ok off topic but can y’all stop putting bob links to vids in other comments there’s 2 all ready it’s annoying

    • @dreeg1896
      @dreeg1896 Před 2 lety +16

      He’s correct by default. His favorite way to be correct!

    • @DoodleGauge
      @DoodleGauge Před 2 lety +19

      could have been the real cap since he went back in time to be with peggy and he did turn up as an old man at the end of endgame so it make sense

  • @neonbunnies9596
    @neonbunnies9596 Před 2 lety +753

    The Red Guardian was cheated in this movie. Like every fight scene with the Red Guardian is either for comedic effect for cuts away for anything interesting happens

    • @havenvoorhees4687
      @havenvoorhees4687 Před 2 lety +31

      Big agree

    • @edwardrichtofen8530
      @edwardrichtofen8530 Před 2 lety +30

      Honestly, I thought this line was used to show how stupid he was since it was obvious he couldnt have fought captain america.

    • @crusadr_4966
      @crusadr_4966 Před 2 lety +24

      Massive agree. They did my red boy bad

    • @edwardrichtofen8530
      @edwardrichtofen8530 Před 2 lety +27

      @@crusadr_4966 he just wasnt allowed to be anything but the goofy comedic relief character and was constantly played off as stupid.

    • @edwardrichtofen8530
      @edwardrichtofen8530 Před 2 lety +1

      @🔥Darth Dämon🎃 and like john Walker who was forced to be evil bad guy by the plot.

  • @chloes.3107
    @chloes.3107 Před 2 lety +641

    Perhaps a mini theory on Widow’s mother? That plot point regarding her being a feisty woman who looked for her child relentlessly, before eventually dying and getting buried under a supposed tree (?), never really paid off. Or maybe I’m just crazy.

    • @wowie_206
      @wowie_206 Před 2 lety +86

      One thing I noticed is that in the post credits scene Natasha was buried under a blossom tree, just like her mother. That isn't really a theory but it is something to think about.

    • @RYAN_KID
      @RYAN_KID Před 2 lety +17

      It could be the blossom tree natasha was burried under but conspiracy inside the conspiracy it could be the tree outside the shack (maybe where natasha and her family live) in the falcon and the winter soldier most likely the one the they practice on by throwing the shield at it ???? Who knows

    • @Aro7241
      @Aro7241 Před 2 lety +37

      @@RYAN_KID It's just a memorial kinda grave right? We know her body's not actually buried there

    • @judythepengu6158
      @judythepengu6158 Před 2 lety +6

      @@Aro7241 unless cap went and idk retried her dead body, it's on vormir still

  • @da1king0fwakanda56
    @da1king0fwakanda56 Před 2 lety +182

    Red Guardian may have fought Steve after he went back in time at the end of Endgame. Remember when the Russo Bros said Old-man Steve was at Peggy’s funeral? That means he could’ve fought Alexi in 83-84.

  • @Phuskooz
    @Phuskooz Před 2 lety +907

    I really liked the scene where the Red Guardian is struggling to put on his suit because THE DUDE IS A SUPER SOLDIER USING SUPER STRENGTH and *he’s still struggling!!*

  • @PCENES
    @PCENES Před 2 lety +744

    Marvel Writers who put that in as a joke: "write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN!"

    • @TheGabrielryu
      @TheGabrielryu Před 2 lety +36

      "it's so good when internet fans do your work for free"

    • @largeshark9021
      @largeshark9021 Před 2 lety +9

      They know the material just as well or better than the internet nerds, but they won't create their own stuff, making it much easier to path between their ideas, plus they can see what kind of thoughts people are having to set up twists

    • @rasheedghneim2197
      @rasheedghneim2197 Před 2 lety +1

      CHARLES THE FRENCH REFERENCE LMAO 🤣 🤣 🤣

    • @manavkhandurie3591
      @manavkhandurie3591 Před 2 lety

      It's a decoy just like how wakanda,medrapor, Atlantis showed up on a map in Iron man 2 yrs before they were introduced and Atlantis is yet to be introduced 😂 if they choose to do that

  • @cosmicnick4186
    @cosmicnick4186 Před 2 lety +42

    William Burnsides’ origin sounds very similar to the Reverse Flash. Both had an obsession with a hero they idolized and while researching their hero found a means to gain the same powers as them. In one iteration, Eobard Thawne goes through surgery to look like Barry Allen in the same way Burnside does when trying to be Captain America. Both eventually fight their former hero as well. Very similar stories it seems.

  • @ORProductionss
    @ORProductionss Před 2 lety +71

    The intro matpat’s wife should be happy she wasn’t chosen to die, if only he threw the coke and bought another one afterwards

  • @bennusmagnus5277
    @bennusmagnus5277 Před 2 lety +193

    Burnside's decent into evil makes perfect sense when you remember what the serum does. "Good becomes great, bad becomes worse." This guy was real bad before the serum.

    • @ywoyiakuelwywpfnd
      @ywoyiakuelwywpfnd Před 2 lety +1

      My only problem with it would be that, us agent is basically just evil cap, obviously he's good or and anti hero now, but it seems very similar especially since it's was done recently so I don't think we'll see him for a while.

    • @bobbysworld281995
      @bobbysworld281995 Před 2 lety +11

      @@ywoyiakuelwywpfnd John was just fucked in the head unless he gets his good priorities straight. Burnside is different.

    • @carnage3814
      @carnage3814 Před 2 lety +2

      I think that same phrase works for symbiotes also just like carnage's original story when Eddie left prison and a piece of Venom was left in the jail and that same piece bonded with the other guy who was with Eddie and that same piece of Venom became a worse symbiote just bcuz that other guy was also worse than Eddie

    • @andrewjohnson6716
      @andrewjohnson6716 Před 2 lety +8

      Burnside went “bad” because canonically in Marvel Comics the Super Soldier Serum has to be stabilized with “Vita-Rays” or the recipient will go psychotic. Erskine kept the technology of vita-rays (a purposely nonsense term he made up to hide their nature) in his head never committing it to paper, so it died with him. We can see from the transformation scene in First Avenger (and from the fact that every other recipient has mental problems) that the MCU kept this concept. (Side note: Isiah Bradley was the only SSS recipient who was strong-willed enough to not go mad without the vita-ray treatment, but he did develop Huntington’s Disease)

  • @arachnaphobicpal6873
    @arachnaphobicpal6873 Před 2 lety +829

    *does dramatic pose*
    Yelena:
    " *ugh that was disgusting-* "

  • @tr0n4556
    @tr0n4556 Před 3 měsíci +2

    coming back to this video just 2 years later really does show just how much hope there was in the MCU. how times have changed... pre-covid MCU and and post-covid MCU aren't the same animal.

  • @Keenath
    @Keenath Před 2 lety +9

    Well, the payoff to Alexei's stories about fighting Cap was the fight with Taskmaster, who was mirroring Cap's moves, so Alexei got to finally have his fight with Captain America -- at least by proxy. But it's still weird that he asks Nat if Cap ever talks about Red Guardian, because if he was just making up stories he'd KNOW he'd never actually met Cap and there's no way Cap would be aware of him.

  • @letstalkfiction5187
    @letstalkfiction5187 Před 2 lety +625

    The best part of this movie was the “this would be the best way to die” during the avalanche prison break and “this would be the worst way to die” when her head was about to get cut open.

    • @sion8
      @sion8 Před 2 lety +17

      She said “coolest” not “best” way to die.

    • @squidking762
      @squidking762 Před 2 lety +7

      @@sion8 Not a big difference, but yeah

    • @obsidionwarrior1343
      @obsidionwarrior1343 Před 2 lety +17

      @@squidking762 I would consider there to be a big difference between "coolest" and "best". Going out in a huge avalanche may seem like a cool way to die, but could be very painful and if you survive the initial wave you could be buried for a long time slowly dying- not the best way to die.
      Cool is a lot more subjective than best, although best can be an opinion. I could consider being burned to death to be a cool way to die, but it would certainly not be a good way to die, and definitely not the best way to die.

    • @Aisha_Luv
      @Aisha_Luv Před 2 lety +3

      She said "cool"
      And "this is a much less cool way to die..."

    • @doge_loord808
      @doge_loord808 Před 2 lety

      @@obsidionwarrior1343 Jesus bro

  • @reahmelino7905
    @reahmelino7905 Před 2 lety +1644

    The scene between Diet Coke and Stef seems realistic, its the best mini scene I've seen so far on the three channels.

    • @GHR662
      @GHR662 Před 2 lety +14

      Diet coke

    • @thunderpray4701
      @thunderpray4701 Před 2 lety +6

      Ok

    • @dungeonsdungeonsandmoredun2177
      @dungeonsdungeonsandmoredun2177 Před 2 lety +28

      Is it just me or was her acting a little too good ykm

    • @tinotendagutsa466
      @tinotendagutsa466 Před 2 lety +10

      Am I the only one who always smiles co Stef so pretty and Matt probably says this every day ???🥺

    • @ajhurtado9808
      @ajhurtado9808 Před 2 lety +25

      The fact that Steph just tosses Matt over the edge still shows she loves him
      But still poor matt-

  • @irongorillafederation1082
    @irongorillafederation1082 Před 2 lety +33

    Um "You calling me a liar URSA" as in Soviet Hulk Ursa Major.... really Mat missed that. Also haven't read it but could Burnside be a reference to the Union general Robert Burnside?

  • @devviebcwhynot8185
    @devviebcwhynot8185 Před 2 lety +14

    I like Natashas back story a lot, it gives a real undertone to real life problems
    Natasha was sold and trafficked as a baby bc her family struck a deal that her mother didn’t agree with. Of course traffickers don’t (or at least I don’t think) want to turn young girls into super spy’s but it gives a good look into what happens when children are abandoned or kidnapped

  • @haze5069
    @haze5069 Před 2 lety +126

    “I want to fight the real Captain America, not some blue *imposter”*
    - Red Guardian, probably

  • @EvanTubeGaming
    @EvanTubeGaming Před 2 lety +2269

    What if he fought the cap that travelled back in time? Wouldn't have been frozen in the ice then.

    • @susman3838
      @susman3838 Před 2 lety +201

      Well there goes matpats thoery

    • @mompernl
      @mompernl Před 2 lety +224

      Wouldn’t he go back in time and create an alternate timeline therefore no one from the original would see him?

    • @IHaveAqInMyName
      @IHaveAqInMyName Před 2 lety +140

      Alternate timeline branch. Doesn’t work

    • @CasualCasimir
      @CasualCasimir Před 2 lety +12

      I like that idea

    • @faustandraemabulay5176
      @faustandraemabulay5176 Před 2 lety +19

      Welp, its up to matpat to figure this one out because this kinda makes sense

  • @trevynlane8094
    @trevynlane8094 Před 2 lety +6

    I like this theory, it makes a lot of sense. Red Guardian would probably be very upset to find out that he fought a fake Cap.

  • @nightwave2k6
    @nightwave2k6 Před rokem +2

    My wife and I had the theory that Alexei fought Old Man Steve who got restless being Director Carter's househusband. We did some basic math and speculation and Old Man Steve was 78 in 1984, but would have been functionally early 60s thanks to the serum. And, he had a spare shield lying around, too...

  • @Lukashallow
    @Lukashallow Před 2 lety +363

    *gets pushed down to death for souls stone”
    Matpat: “Still thirstyyyyyyyyyyyy”

  • @britanimations2002
    @britanimations2002 Před 2 lety +2379

    Okay but tbf if it was between diet coke and Nugget Steph I think MatPat would've made the right call

    • @Phe_
      @Phe_ Před 2 lety +54

      @Lucien Rose oh no way that’s crazy I’m the 178th like
      See? Nobody cares.

    • @isakjones5836
      @isakjones5836 Před 2 lety +24

      @@Phe_ to bad it doesn't count dislikes or I'd tell you my place on your comment.

    • @bruhstop8499
      @bruhstop8499 Před 2 lety +14

      I think he had a tough time because imagine if your partner loved a drink more than you

    • @guyinasuit8078
      @guyinasuit8078 Před 2 lety +14

      @@bruhstop8499 if it was diet coke I'd understand

    • @thesovietunion5801
      @thesovietunion5801 Před 2 lety +18

      technically there is no win for steph if matpat chooses her she ded if he chooses diet coke then thats his favourite

  • @redstoneraptor8101
    @redstoneraptor8101 Před 2 lety +5

    Was the pig suffocating scene something that was played for laughs? I was pretty horrified by it, and about to burst into tears until Melina finally let it breathe again.

  • @brandoncameron8467
    @brandoncameron8467 Před 2 lety +3

    I'm exited for a What If episode cause there is so much he could do. He could point out timeline divergences, analize the specific episodes, even "Theorize" his own what if

  • @ninja_of_light_5801
    @ninja_of_light_5801 Před 2 lety +1790

    Wait. Another theory: What if he did fight Rogers, just not the one frozen in ice. Remember when he went back in time to put back all the infinity stones? Then he stayed in that time getting back the life he lost. Maybe he did have a run in with Alexi. Just something I thought.
    Edit: Did not think this would get so popular. This was just something I thought up really quickly for people to think about and now there are so many theories being made.

    • @ninja_of_light_5801
      @ninja_of_light_5801 Před 2 lety +155

      @@Chkprofilename Do not post this on my comment.

    • @PurooRoy
      @PurooRoy Před 2 lety +90

      He returned the stones and went back to 1945 as shown in the end. In the 60s he was no longer in his prime and he had also learnt a lot from the future so obviously he won't go around fighting Red Guardian.

    • @Sly-Moose
      @Sly-Moose Před 2 lety +25

      That's what I was saying! Can't believe MatPat didn't realise that! 🤦

    • @ninja_of_light_5801
      @ninja_of_light_5801 Před 2 lety +111

      @@PurooRoy Well Steve does age slower than normal people. And maybe the run in was accidental, we don't know what Steve was up to.
      I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying it's something to think about.

    • @Gungelion
      @Gungelion Před 2 lety +42

      I was Going to say Something similar. Except what if Steve's journey through time wasn't so simple? whatever for one reason or another he ended up in various time periods on his journey to return the infinity Stones? heck, maybe he ended up encountering kang And had to fight Him across time.

  • @dontlookatthis
    @dontlookatthis Před 2 lety +280

    Let's be honest when he asked if Captain America talked about him it seemed like a genuine question and not a lie.
    Maby they could do a Winter Guard movie with William Burnside based in the Cold War

  • @Wolffman109
    @Wolffman109 Před 2 lety +3

    8:44 Don't forget: Howard Stark had managed to recreate the Super Soldier Serum, before it was stolen by the Winter Soldier so HYDRA could make more Super-Soldiers. Not to mention, Wilfred Nagel managed to make the serum that enhanced Karli Morgenthau, the Flag-Smashers, and John Walker, so it's not out of the question that the government did have more serum created.
    Honestly, I really hope that this theory is correct, because other than Steve Rogers, Bucky Barnes, and John Walker, William Burnside is my favorite Captain America.

  • @dimmadome454
    @dimmadome454 Před 2 lety +4

    I've noticed that too. But I really think it was Bucky in disguise. Who best to draw out Red guardian than Captain America? Plus Bucky Barnes is so connected to Steve's run as cap that Alexei probably wouldn't look to much into it if he saw his face. He would just think oh its Captain America...cool, lets fight this boi. Hydra also sent Bucky for Isaiah to get more super soldiers. Alexi being a super soldier and having already crossed hydra, he would be a prime target for the super soldier/winter soldier program. It also just seens like right up their wheelhouse to mess with Bucky like that.

  • @Vrex360
    @Vrex360 Před 2 lety +671

    I feel personally attacked by this character's last name.

  • @cyannice
    @cyannice Před 2 lety +463

    Imagine if MatPat threw the Diet Coke... That would've been a disaster...

    • @neverendar1778
      @neverendar1778 Před 2 lety +11

      But he has another cola to take it's place.

    • @mintymouths
      @mintymouths Před 2 lety +5

      @@neverendar1778 oh yeah there was that cola tournament on food theory, I should rewatch that one after this

    • @justatheorist.3864
      @justatheorist.3864 Před 2 lety +1

      @@mintymouths spoiler: teeter cola

    • @LXW-Arts
      @LXW-Arts Před 2 lety

      What if he drank non diet coke and didn't say cut at the end of his videos

    • @morrigankasa570
      @morrigankasa570 Před 2 lety +2

      Diet Coke is gross but if you enjoy it.
      Cola might be refreshing but p*ssy is more delicious:)

  • @projectzorgo-robloxoperation

    Hey Matt, Do a film theory about The Amazing World Of Gumball! You should crack what happens on the cliffhanger!

  • @kedrasinger9960
    @kedrasinger9960 Před 2 lety +1

    good job for 10 mil subs matpat!

  • @ggennaios2255
    @ggennaios2255 Před 2 lety +207

    When Red Guardian kept referencing how he fought Cap, I was like “What!?” and figured he must have fought someone else. Glad you made a video about it 😁

  • @xfakelucid6504
    @xfakelucid6504 Před 2 lety +75

    The Red Guardian is so iconic I'd love to see more of him

  • @comixamples524
    @comixamples524 Před rokem +1

    Also the Serum that Blonsky used in Incredible Hulk was driving him insane which is a side effect in the comics that happen to Burnside.

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 Před 2 lety

    Neat analysis! Thanks for uploading!

  • @Ahbraxaz
    @Ahbraxaz Před 2 lety +331

    "Jesus, 10 years of my life..." that initial skit cracked me up xD

  • @kaixiong641
    @kaixiong641 Před 2 lety +339

    "Jesus, 10 years of my life"
    A small price to pay for a soul stone

  • @thelg8064
    @thelg8064 Před 2 lety +1

    Red Guardian: captain America we meet again
    Capt:IDK even know who you are

  • @beeto45
    @beeto45 Před 2 lety +5

    4:35 red guardian kinda reminded me of mister incredible

  • @alexxxxxxx6261
    @alexxxxxxx6261 Před 2 lety +495

    As i do have a Soviet mother, I can confirm. Those accents are really on point

    • @not_very_neek5827
      @not_very_neek5827 Před 2 lety +20

      Well, the side characters were pretty on point but the main characters were eh, probably bc the actors were American

    • @elijahpadilla5083
      @elijahpadilla5083 Před 2 lety +42

      @@not_very_neek5827 A lot of covert agents, just like actors, can lose their accents if they're deployed somewhere for too long; telemarketers exploit this by sending their workers to live in Ohio and intentionally breaking their accents out of them. That at least explains the Widows.

    • @bh4vvy33t
      @bh4vvy33t Před 2 lety

      :o

    • @jadenyuki3138
      @jadenyuki3138 Před 2 lety +2

      Mother russia

    • @Littlekoji-df1cf
      @Littlekoji-df1cf Před 2 lety

      Nice👍

  • @maciejczerwinski1361
    @maciejczerwinski1361 Před 2 lety +65

    Marvel writers who just wanted to make funny joke in the movie: Write that down, write that down!

  • @mitsuyuki-hime9879
    @mitsuyuki-hime9879 Před 2 lety

    I'm glad to see a theory on this - I understood that there was significance of Red Guardian repeating about Captain America but I had no idea what it meant

  • @pkmntrainerred4247
    @pkmntrainerred4247 Před 2 lety +2

    3:12
    Me: THE EVIL CAPATAIN AMERICA FROM SECRET EMPIRE EVENT!
    Matpat: WILLIAM BURNSIDE
    Me: Who tf is Burnside?

  • @micahsanjuan8637
    @micahsanjuan8637 Před 2 lety +158

    Did we forget that Steve Rogers traveled back in time to be with Agent Carter? The serum allows for slow aging.

    • @93teegz
      @93teegz Před 2 lety +13

      Yeah I was thinking this too. Like he went back I time on that same time line and universe coz how else would he have shown up later old to give away the shield. Clearly he would have been around for the cold war

    • @sauriers-rexusdiscordytcha6704
      @sauriers-rexusdiscordytcha6704 Před 2 lety +3

      @@93teegz maybe the tva swooped in and he was like i just want to live with peggy grow old and give the shield to sam and the tva was like ok but you need to follow these rules

    • @pkmoments
      @pkmoments Před 2 lety +9

      @@sauriers-rexusdiscordytcha6704 I don’t think the tva compromises. Probably was just supposed to happen

    • @KiraNightV
      @KiraNightV Před 2 lety +3

      It is possible that while he was returning the Infinity Stones he ran into Red Guardian. He specifically went back to do that and then retire. Even though I don't think Steve would just watch if help was needed he had to keep a low profile.

    • @antisyth7809
      @antisyth7809 Před 2 lety +5

      Are you forgetting time travel doesint effect the present
      Only Doing something that not suppose to happen creates a branch

  • @bladeswinton1224
    @bladeswinton1224 Před 2 lety +520

    I have a slightly different theory what if the Captain America that Red Guardian fought was actually the Winter Soldier disguised as Captain America in an attempt to get the same launch codes but ran into Red Guardian who already had the codes

    • @PztWong
      @PztWong Před 2 lety +58

      So, it would be Soviet Icon vs Soviet Hydra ... cool

    • @muhammadHassan-kj1jy
      @muhammadHassan-kj1jy Před 2 lety +17

      Thats actually quite cool

    • @dimmadome454
      @dimmadome454 Před 2 lety +35

      Ive been saying that for a while. Who hest to draw out Red guardian than Captain America? Bucky Barnes is so connected to Steve's run as cap that Alexei probably wouldn't look to much into it if he saw his face. He would just think oh its captain America...cool, lets fight this boi. Hydra also sent bucky for Isaiah to get more super soldiers. Alexi being a super soldier and having already crossed hydra, he would be a prime target for the super soldier/winter soldier program. It also just seens like right up their wheelhouse to mess with bucky like that.

    • @kinemod1252
      @kinemod1252 Před 2 lety +6

      I have a different theory
      He lied

    • @Buckethead.325
      @Buckethead.325 Před 2 lety +2

      If this is the case, then imagine if we see this in S2 and we finally get to see Bucky in his Cap Attire, wielding his own shield.

  • @asadelfadillah8008
    @asadelfadillah8008 Před 2 lety +9

    14:32
    As a My Hero Academia fan, this quote sings to my ears in so many ways...

  • @releventperson
    @releventperson Před 2 lety

    good content and video i subscribed!

  • @LightDhampire
    @LightDhampire Před 2 lety +893

    On the theory it's time-travelling post-Engame Steve Rogers, my problems are twofold:
    1) He was laying low with Peggy, not gallivanting around as Cap.
    2) old Steve at the end of Endgame had lived 106 years. (give or take)
    If he did go out in the 80's to fight red Guardian, he would have been 74. Not what I would consider fighting shape.

    • @jos6796
      @jos6796 Před 2 lety +122

      I agree that it wasn’t Steve rogers based on the laying low with Peggy point, however he is roughly 117 at the end of endgame and looks maybe 80 at a maximum so I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say that at like 74 he could’ve looked in his 40s and that would be reasonable for fighting.

    • @uchihasasuke7436
      @uchihasasuke7436 Před 2 lety +102

      to be fair red guardian wasn't in fighting shape in this entire movie and still flew up walls lol

    • @Balance1308
      @Balance1308 Před 2 lety +46

      He may have been laying low with Peggy, but what if some circumstance forced him to don the suit one more time? There r a lot of shows where some retired badass has to go on 1 more mission despite promising never to go back in the field again. Maybe he did fight with Red Guardian.

    • @ethanspiess6581
      @ethanspiess6581 Před 2 lety +1

      Old cap

    • @thecorrurtion215
      @thecorrurtion215 Před 2 lety +12

      If Steve rogers went to protect someone because of circumstances, I’m pretty sure he would use a different identity

  • @tonyavant1773
    @tonyavant1773 Před 2 lety

    Good work man

  • @T3nMiDGET5711
    @T3nMiDGET5711 Před 2 lety +1

    I love how MattPatt just casually dies in the first 30 seconds of the video

  • @estefanoespinozapiccoli7015
    @estefanoespinozapiccoli7015 Před 2 lety +504

    Imagine a Falcón and The Winter Soldier Season 2 with this story and the appearence of the Red Guardian, it would be Epic

  • @LonelySandwich
    @LonelySandwich Před 2 lety +607

    "will smash for cash"
    why did my eyes have to be cursed with that

    • @longfish5174
      @longfish5174 Před 2 lety +8

      How are you ever were

    • @zachariahjohnson3406
      @zachariahjohnson3406 Před 2 lety +8

      Well, I mean, he meant break stuff, but I get where you’re coming from…

    • @TheHotBlade
      @TheHotBlade Před 2 lety +19

      ​@@longfish5174 Lonely Sandwich is a clout chaser who copies unpopular comments which then gain more likes than their original creators solely because of the fact he's verified.

    • @longfish5174
      @longfish5174 Před 2 lety +7

      @@TheHotBlade ok ty for the info

  • @rileykataria149
    @rileykataria149 Před 2 lety +3

    did anyone else notice that he called the guy "Ursa" at 5:32? as in Ursa Major, another Soviet avenger.

  • @agoat2120
    @agoat2120 Před 2 lety +5

    You're forgetting that it's canon that the real Captain America traveled back in time to the period after he was frozen in ice to live a peaceful life with Peggy. And the Red Guardians story had something to do about Nuclear Codes which would be good enough justification for Captain America to go and fight him.

    • @abhinavthapliyal6479
      @abhinavthapliyal6479 Před 2 lety

      This is so underrated. It makes so sense ❤️❤️ and plz keep your criticism to yourself .

  • @TheDeviantDon
    @TheDeviantDon Před 2 lety +117

    So this is what I wanna know, since Alexei received the serum, he’s stopped aging. So how old IS Alexei exactly?

    • @sparemobius7430
      @sparemobius7430 Před 2 lety +35

      I dont know if he stopped aging, but he ages slower for sure. Look at Cap in Endgame, he aged, so I imagine it is the same, just takes much longer.

    • @lorenzosteele2531
      @lorenzosteele2531 Před 2 lety

      Ut picture is alucard and I just finished playing sotn

    • @hectorbarbossa4403
      @hectorbarbossa4403 Před 2 lety +3

      Its really hard to Tell the Serum definitlx Slows down aging
      In Endgame old Cap Was i 100 something years and looked around 80 years old in The BW Movie Alexei is somewhere roughly between 50 and 90 years old

  • @Raghavsmalik
    @Raghavsmalik Před 2 lety +255

    The fact that this released on the day scarlet Johansen sues marvel is hilarious

    • @caitlinb2521
      @caitlinb2521 Před 2 lety +40

      she sued Disney, not marvel

    • @Raghavsmalik
      @Raghavsmalik Před 2 lety +17

      Marvel is a branch of Disney and her contract was with marvel so

    • @Raghavsmalik
      @Raghavsmalik Před 2 lety +34

      She sued cause they released it on Disney plus and that was not in her contract

    • @dranzerjetli5126
      @dranzerjetli5126 Před 2 lety +1

      What

    • @nicholasjarrett4480
      @nicholasjarrett4480 Před 2 lety +11

      @@Raghavsmalik She didn’t sue Marvel Studios directly, she sued Disney. Marvel didn’t do anything wrong. It was Disney that released the film whilst disregarding her agreement with Marvel.

  • @RemixOfTheVoid
    @RemixOfTheVoid Před 2 lety +1

    That's me with Dr. Pepper Matt. The hardest choices require the strongest wills.

  • @Steph737
    @Steph737 Před rokem +1

    "Still Thirsty"
    -MatPat

  • @incognito8925
    @incognito8925 Před 2 lety +122

    I’d like to point out that the 1984 comic was released in 1984, especially since it’s about a fascist evil dictator who suppressed differences

  • @logan_M_
    @logan_M_ Před 2 lety +64

    I really like how mat is including Stephanie and more of the theorist team in the intros. Helps to remind the audience that there is more than just mat to these shows.

  • @MrCrusher74
    @MrCrusher74 Před 2 lety +6

    Can we talk about how captain america went back in time and STAYED!? So they definitely couldve fought while cap was working with agent carter

  • @baked_potato_0-0
    @baked_potato_0-0 Před rokem +1

    0:28 HAHAHAHAH . Stephanie threw matpat of the clif . lol

  • @robertquimby4033
    @robertquimby4033 Před 2 lety +162

    I can see this being a payoff in the next Captain America and The Winter Soldier. Evans comes back but playing Burnside. Then there's a big emotional struggle with Bucky who wants to believe Steve is back but something seems off.

  • @DrewPalmquist
    @DrewPalmquist Před 2 lety +582

    In endgame, Steve Rogers took the tesseract back to the past and lived back to to the present. red guardian could have found Steve Rogers because he was living in 1984.

    • @xe1la_xx
      @xe1la_xx Před 2 lety +42

      OMG THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING

    • @Jackson-jn4vf
      @Jackson-jn4vf Před 2 lety +60

      That contradicts the time travel

    • @luansomething380
      @luansomething380 Před 2 lety +4

      Nice one!

    • @Brandon-dy8us
      @Brandon-dy8us Před 2 lety +38

      @@Jackson-jn4vf the movie contradicted time travel in the first place by letting him travel back in time in his own timeline.

    • @jp-zp3ds
      @jp-zp3ds Před 2 lety +15

      That doesn’t make sense with the mcu’s form of time travel

  • @theyobro1843
    @theyobro1843 Před rokem +1

    Or what if he fought the Captain America from the end of Endgame. When Steve Rogers went back in time to return the infinity stones, he decided to live his life alongside Peggy. But what if while living his new life he did indeed fight the Red Guardian during the year 1983 or 1984.

  • @leomonaghan3933
    @leomonaghan3933 Před rokem +1

    Another Theory... Guardian fought Bucky.
    Basically the USSR sent Guardian off to do something that didn't go along with whatever plan Hydra had in mind at the time so...
    ...They thawed out "the Winter soldier" to stop him.
    However since they didn't want to tip off the USSR about their "Frozen Assassin" someone in Hydra came up with the hilariously ironic idea to dress Bucky up as "Captain America" so that not only would the USA be blamed for the failure of Guardian's mission BUT Guardian would be reporting back that Captain America was ~still~ an active agent for the United States, leading the Soviet Union down a crazy rabbit hole to try to determine if that were true.
    Thus leaving Hydra's interference completely obscured.

  • @marblethunder4323
    @marblethunder4323 Před 2 lety +102

    10:38 Matt: "It gets a bit confusing-"
    Comic Drake: "Because Comics!"

  • @orbed8296
    @orbed8296 Před 2 lety +252

    Film theory: “We haven’t seen abomination in 2008”
    Lego marvel movies: am I a joke to you

  • @ClayGaming-zd7es
    @ClayGaming-zd7es Před 2 lety

    Probably the funniest intro I’ve seen so far

  • @taylorrobinson5929
    @taylorrobinson5929 Před 2 lety +2

    I think it’s more realistic to think that he fought old captain America, as he went back in time and was apparently living quietly where nobody could find him.

  • @kaiba5271
    @kaiba5271 Před 2 lety +136

    Film Theory idea: Finding out SpongeBobs anatomy.
    He’s done many crazy things with his body, especially on the inside, like cutting potatoes and a record player.

    • @bubblemcnamara9863
      @bubblemcnamara9863 Před 2 lety +1

      Matt needs to do this

    • @localtoiletstealer2245
      @localtoiletstealer2245 Před 2 lety +1

      Also the Nevadan from madness combat, like, why do some nevadans from that series have teeth and some dont? Also, why do 2 of them have a full mouth???

  • @marystringer4667
    @marystringer4667 Před 2 lety +127

    And that was the story of how steph became the ruler of the universe

    • @OkKo-ii3ei
      @OkKo-ii3ei Před 2 lety

      czcams.com/video/BXHVDI2OZiQ/video.html.

    • @paultoc2657
      @paultoc2657 Před 2 lety

      Hi are you female?

    • @marystringer4667
      @marystringer4667 Před 2 lety

      Ummm yes?

    • @paultoc2657
      @paultoc2657 Před 2 lety

      @@marystringer4667 how long is your hair in centimeters

    • @TFGA_tFoMS
      @TFGA_tFoMS Před 2 lety

      @@marystringer4667 hey dont worry about him, he is an f'ing creep, I would like to report him but I cant find a section to do so

  • @terryperson6050
    @terryperson6050 Před 2 lety

    Film theory! You need to totally do a theory about phantom of the opera! I know how much you really really want to😉

  • @Greggy1505
    @Greggy1505 Před 2 lety

    I liked that intro matpat. Very funny

  • @brenudo997
    @brenudo997 Před 2 lety +44

    I always thought that the payoff for Alexei's stories (which, granted, this was never addressed by any characters, even Red Guardian) was his one-on-one fight with Taskmaster, who was using the shield and had several moves that seemed to be modelled off of Cap. Effectively allowing him to finally have a "real" fight with "Captain America".

  • @Arcade_Raven
    @Arcade_Raven Před 2 lety +63

    3:03. “Will smash for cash”. Nice one Matt Patt ;P

  • @biancaf3481
    @biancaf3481 Před 2 lety

    THE INTRO WAS AMAZING OH MY GOODNESS

  • @elithegreat5590
    @elithegreat5590 Před 2 lety

    I actually picked up on this during the movie, I had heard about it like a week before watching lmao

  • @Ausjuuhbal
    @Ausjuuhbal Před 2 lety +101

    As I’m watching this, reports are coming out that Scarlett Johansson is suing Disney for a breach of contract. Talk about timing.

    • @buzzheadguy7139
      @buzzheadguy7139 Před 2 lety +5

      Can you send me the article link? I wanna read it

    • @DarthAxolotl
      @DarthAxolotl Před 2 lety +4

      I havent heard anything about this? I'd love to read the news source

    • @starling1226
      @starling1226 Před 2 lety +2

      @@DarthAxolotl if it’s not too late philip defranco made a video talking about it

  • @JamieHitt
    @JamieHitt Před 2 lety +167

    I think it’s a lot simpler than that. He did fight “our” Captain America. Peggy’s husband. You have to remember, Steve didn’t return through the machine,… He just lived out his life in our time.

    • @ashenbreese
      @ashenbreese Před 2 lety +12

      good call

    • @benjaminlore6633
      @benjaminlore6633 Před 2 lety +21

      yeah, but i think his other life was in an alt timeline

    • @RobProb-X
      @RobProb-X Před 2 lety +6

      This cancels out the time travel system for the MCU-

    • @ashenbreese
      @ashenbreese Před 2 lety +1

      i've wondered all along if maybe they never did have the ability to travel through time, only through the multiverse. even though it was a bad show, future man tackled the idea pretty well: once you leave a timeline/universe you can never return to it, only some other version of it.

    • @abbyweitzel5286
      @abbyweitzel5286 Před 2 lety +1

      🙂

  • @PatriciaCross
    @PatriciaCross Před 2 lety

    It's also possible this was referencing the fact Steve went back in time. Perhaps there were a few times he had to risk altering the timeline to come out of retirement.

  • @necrofyre
    @necrofyre Před 2 lety

    you forgot to add to your theory for stronger evidence, the post credits scene of The Incredible Hulk; Tony Stark goes into the bar with General Ross and basically tells him, "hate to say i told you so General but that super solider project was put on ice for a reason...". Certainly strengthens the argument that the Government experimented with the super soldier for years later until the end results were so bad that they were forced to stop experimenting due to the end results not being the original Cap America. If anyone pointed this out before me, kudos to similar recall

  • @moai1212
    @moai1212 Před 2 lety +38

    Ok that’s it in 2034 I’m coming back and commenting “Matpat, your wrong”

  • @ethinwhite3454
    @ethinwhite3454 Před 2 lety +83

    This is officially headcanon for me. I’m gonna try an elaborate on this.

  • @Wolffman109
    @Wolffman109 Před 2 lety +1

    Hey, MatPat! I hope you don't mind, but I'm writing an essay on how Bucky's character has been wasted in the MCU as of late, and I cited this video in it as well. It's a good fit for the subject, and it's a really good video. I hope that's okay with you!

  • @soulmonitor9900
    @soulmonitor9900 Před 2 lety +1

    Hey matpat, huge fan. I just wanted to ask if you can do a theory about the owl house. It's a great show and I want to hear your thoughts on it as well as your ideas on where the show might go. It's full of secret codes and mysterious and would love for you to cover it.

  • @eggo-beggo
    @eggo-beggo Před 2 lety +70

    Hey mat! I just got done with surgery yesterday and I’ve been really uncomfortable. You’ve helped me be more happy while recovering and I just want to say thx

  • @megatrixel6121
    @megatrixel6121 Před 2 lety +114

    He probably fought cap on caps second time around, considering he goes back in time and then lives a whole life, which means that when he would be in the ice, his future self would still be out and about, and lets be honest, super heroing is something you just don't stop as THE american hero.

    • @loveit8293
      @loveit8293 Před 2 lety

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    • @BillyBobJoeSurviv
      @BillyBobJoeSurviv Před 2 lety +5

      I don’t think that’s how time travel works, and cap would be like 160 and he wouldn’t wanna fight

    • @jg1692
      @jg1692 Před 2 lety +2

      It’s a different timeline

    • @johnmcvay4403
      @johnmcvay4403 Před 2 lety

      Explain the shield

    • @megatrixel6121
      @megatrixel6121 Před 2 lety

      @@BillyBobJoeSurviv At the end of endgame, cap disappeared, and then was on a bench old and shitty. The super soldier serum could very well have kept him alive that long. While the man sitting on the bench would have been done fighting, not the cap that would have run into our guy here, not really.

  • @gregorybuttari849
    @gregorybuttari849 Před 2 lety

    And all the Soviet "Avengers" reference. Red Guardian, Ursa Major, Crimson Dynamo.. all we are missing is Dark star... The whole multiverse opening up I like to see something in the future about these guys.

  • @randallsheret8216
    @randallsheret8216 Před 2 lety +2

    I know it’s an older video but towards the end of the film I genuinely think that Natasha and her sister trade places. I would love to see a theory about that. There is a fair bit of evidence to support it.

  • @burjaman11
    @burjaman11 Před 2 lety +89

    There's also a chance he could've fought the REAL Steve Rogers Captain America when Steve went back in time to return the infinity stones at the end of endgame. Now that I'd love to see live action or on What If?.

    • @sheacoburn8328
      @sheacoburn8328 Před 2 lety +5

      Not a high chance as there would be no reason for cap to fight during that time

    • @patrickmcevoy2555
      @patrickmcevoy2555 Před 2 lety +5

      yea but remenver end game time travel when u go to the past to change the future you instead change a alternate past making a alternte branch

    • @-silver0199
      @-silver0199 Před 2 lety +1

      @@patrickmcevoy2555 Which is something that more or less went out the window when old man Rogers shows up. Meaning that they are living in the time branch created when Rogers went back in time to return the stones the entire time.

    • @milkymurderer907
      @milkymurderer907 Před 2 lety +3

      @@-silver0199
      Actually they said he went to a alternate branch, lived with Peggy and came back somehow after she died (probably with pym particles)
      This was confirmed

    • @patrickmcevoy2555
      @patrickmcevoy2555 Před 2 lety +1

      @@-silver0199 well directors ret conned that steve rogers went to a alternate universeto live out his life which doesn't even make sense cause i dont see how hed'd get back

  • @artystamati92
    @artystamati92 Před 2 lety +98

    Maybe he fought the Steve that came back to Peggy after Endgame? Given the whole sacred timeline that both is and isnt at the same time he could have lived on this timeline anyway... idk

    • @kxmuna
      @kxmuna Před 2 lety +3

      He would create a alternitive timeline if that happened

    • @erickhernandezcrispin9671
      @erickhernandezcrispin9671 Před 2 lety +1

      @@kxmuna isnt the point of the TVA to delete branched timelines? So if Steve went back and live there the only way he could have done it, is to be in the same timeline right?

  • @domsdigs584
    @domsdigs584 Před 2 lety

    The intro has me DYING of laughter🤣🤣🤣🤣 “YOU’RE THIRSTY?!”

  • @ShayneRamsay0
    @ShayneRamsay0 Před rokem +1

    Perhaps the Captain America he fought was a Skrull?? Although the Skrulls did come to Earth in Captain Marvel which was set after Captain America: The First Avenger and Steve was frozen so probably not.

  • @dbb3videos912
    @dbb3videos912 Před 2 lety +16

    he fought one of those captain Americas that asks kids if they want to take pictures in Times Square