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I've been putting my records in plastic sleeves for quite some time. I'm glad I did because one of my dogs developed a nasty habit of peeing in the house. Unfortunately he was peeing on my vinyl stored on the bottom shelf! But fortunately they were all stored correctly and there was no damage! I did have to replace approx 160 sleeves. The dog is still alive
top 1 comment ive ever seen
you are so patient
@@itsmebeter3538 you can see that he is patient based on the last phrase, "the dog is still alive".
My cat used to do that too. The cat is DEAD!
Sounds like the sleeves saved the records AND the dog…
Isn't vinyl a great hobby. These nice nerdy details makes it fun :) I'm using the same method. Like the new intro. Cheers. /Paul
I like to nerd out once in awhile as well. Good times! Thanks Paul.
Frank
A hobby? No no no, my friend.
Vinyl = life
I do the same with the outer sleeve but I do keep the record within the actual record sleeve. It seems to get me to look at the artwork more.
I used to always put the outer sleeves on so that the top edge of the cardboard record cover was on the open side of the outer sleeve.
But now a more experienced vinyl collector has told me that this means that the cardboard record covers are not as well ventilated and moisture can collect between the cardboard record cover and the PE outer sleeve and that it is better to put the PE outer sleeve over so that the opening of the PE outer sleeve is in the same place as the opening of the cardboard record cover. The cardboard can then also "breathe" and no moisture can accumulate. He said that the outer sleeves are only there to prevent dust from getting into the record and to prevent the edges from being damaged so quickly when you take it out of the record rack, but the outer sleeves should not separate the cardboard record covers from the circulating air. Makes sense to me. I have now changed all my outer sleeves again so that the opening of the outer sleeves is on the side of the opening of the cardboard record cover.
I do the same thing, only i put the insert or inner sleeve back in the jacket so it doesn't get damaged, folded or bent.
Great tip man. I have the same problem with the outer jacket sliding off as I put the record back on the shelf. Will definitely switch the opening to the top from now on to prevent this from happening.
Enjoyed the fresh new intro too.
Cheers.
I always put mine back in the jacket - habit and have had no issues. I always put the whole jacket and all in from the top.
Interesting idea, I've received records bought over the internet with the record behind the jacket. I asked the seller why and he said it was to reduce/prevent ring wear during shipping. I never thought about how I was storing them. Just goes to show one is never to old to learn. Thanks for creating hours of work for me to redo my collection! Joking of course. Great tip, keep em coming!
Lance Van Pietersom Its actually more so to prevent seam splits. On some sleeves you might have seen that the top where the record is housed is damaged and ripped open a bit, revealing the white material under the cover image. This happens when the record moves around inside and wears down the sleeve with its sharp edges. Little by little over time or its ripped by violent shaking durring something like overseas shipping. Usually its the top because thats where the inner sleeve opening is. Although ringwear is also a concern. I always ask for my purchases online to be shipped with the record outside the jacket if possible.
I like the second “intro” thing best honestly. After you say drop the needle on the episode. Quick and to the point and pretty cool
How bout these benefits?
1. LP is More easily accessible, not sliding jackets in and out of out sleeves, therefore dramatically decreasing wear to the jacket, and preventing potential damage to OIS, lyric sheets, posters etc.
2. Preventing wear and foxing on the jacket opening, considering you grubby, greasy fingers and unkempt fingernails aren't staining and shredding the precious paper. No one likes a blown out, fuzzy, dirty hole.
3. You can now hide all kinds of things in those empty jackets from the wife (you know she dont like touching your vinyl) and cops, such as money, drugs, forged insurance/tax forms, tiny weapons and your secret paper doll collection.
Anyone who matches the opening to the sleeve to the opening of the album jacket is a complete savage
I like the way you think...
\m/
Frank
I used to always put the outer sleeves on so that the top edge of the cardboard record cover was on the open side of the outer sleeve.
But now a more experienced vinyl collector has told me that this means that the cardboard record covers are not as well ventilated and moisture can collect between the cardboard record cover and the PE outer sleeve and that it is better to put the PE outer sleeve over so that the opening of the PE outer sleeve is in the same place as the opening of the cardboard record cover. The cardboard can then also "breathe" and no moisture can accumulate. He said that the outer sleeves are only there to prevent dust from getting into the record and to prevent the edges from being damaged so quickly when you take it out of the record rack, but the outer sleeves should not separate the cardboard record covers from the circulating air. Makes sense to me. I have now changed all my outer sleeves again so that the opening of the outer sleeves is on the side of the opening of the cardboard record cover.
I just found your channel and I love it! , keep the good work!
Pd. love the intro theme. lml
Been doing that for years. I have a wooden boxes where i put my records. I even get the record and not having to pull out the jacket cause i use diskeeper to store them
This technique i've been using for the last three years. I find it protects the seams on the cover also. Thanks for the video Frank, take care, George.
Cheers George.
Just found this - getting back into Vinyl after decades away - I store mine with LP in MOFi sleeve outside of jacket and I have the opening of the outer sleeve sideways to expose the spine for easy reading while on shelf
Thanks for this I have seen this several times from various people and was always wondering the thoughts behind this. Great Tip. I also like the fact that this method prevents 'escapes' amongst my collection.
Cheers Jeff! The escapes are the worst!!!
Love it, great tip!
Its great when you tell us how you like this idea I wish all my lps were in plastic sleeves I only put my rarest ones in them and if I did I would have to make another unit for the extra space your making it fun and interesting and thats good for me
Hey Frank,
Great tips today, I do the same with keeping my albums in the plastic outer sleeves , only I decided to keep my albums inside the album jacket to help protect the vinyl like it was intended to do but I get why you and other people keep vinyl albums behind the jacks to reduce ring ware.
New intro looking great glad to hear your keeping the theme song! Take care and talk to you again soon.~ Jeff
Hi Jeff! So good to hear from you my friend. I know many, many people who store their records as you indicated. Everyone has their own way, which makes this hobby so interesting.
All the best,
Frank
I don't like the idea of my albums exposed outside of the jacket in the back. I store them in the jacket with the outer sleeve opening on top, as for ring wear, that only comes from having too many records bunched together, and before the invention of outer sleeves. I have yet to notice any of my albums showing signs of ring wear with my method, but to each his/her own.
Hey Frank! First of all, love the new intro my friend, and I'm SO glad you didn't drop the theme song! It's really become part of the Channel 33 RPM experience, in fact, I often find myself singing it on Sundays in anticipation of your new video (and my wife will often join in and sing with me, lol!). Love this topic, and I used to have the openings of the sleeves to the side, but had the exact problem you showed, so I've been loading the sleeves from the top ever since. I still keep my records in the actual jacket though. I have considered sliding them behind the jacket as you do, but I worry about dust. Thoughts?
Informative and entertaining as usual brother! Cheers! -Jex
Brother Jex! Good to hear from you as always. Thanks for your comments on the jingle ... I put it together almost as a lark. It feels pretty good to hear that people like you and your wife sing it. Very cool.
As far as the sleeves... I've also heard from others who worry about dust. Personally, I can't see dust getting in there, but you gotta do what you're most comfortable with, for sure.
Cheers man
Frank
I store mine similarly though I do it to avoid not only the ring wear but also seam splits. I use a resealable outer sleeve and, depending on the piece, I'll use a poly lined inner sleeve and place it in a generic card stock jacket but normally I'll just use the poly inner sleeve and place it behind the jacket in the bag.
Started storing like this. I like it.
New to the channel.. cool vids. Greeting from Australia!! I have had problems with alot of new records arriving warped.. mostly due to being in gatefolds with booklets etc.. I tend to put double LPs together now inbetween to avoid warps
I get the logic of the way you sleeve your records. I will do this with my collection this weekend.
Works well for me
I do the same thing. it's been pretty effective in getting little to no ring wear.
Always keep the song, it's very catchy and it rocks like you do.
I do the same , but I use clearbags with a flap. Protects the cover and makes it look like a brand new sealed album. It also fits the album perfectly.
Awesome. I know a lot of people who love those.
Frank
Hey Frank -
Great Video, as always.
I don't use outer sleeves unless the album is old, delicate, and in bad shape (I have what my Dad said was his first LP - Benny Goodman's 1938 Carnegie Hall Jazz Concert (1950 release). It's in rough shape, but has sentimental value). I have pretty much run out of space, and outer sleeves add to the overall bulk width of the collection.
In addition, many of the records I get are from thrifts, and are not really in need of protecting, as that ship has long sailed. Add to that the cost (my dough goes towards protecting the vinyl itself with Mo-Fi sleeves), and that's pretty much how I roll.
Cheers.
That Now and Zen is sweet.
I don't use an outer sleeve, but I do put the record in a MoFi inner sleeve and place the (original) inner sleeve or insert into the record jacket behind the MoFi sleeve.
I put the lp in its mofi sleeve in the back facing sideways for a bit more protection and so as not to need to remove the outer sleeve. No worries about ring wear except on used records that I buy that already have a bit of ring wear on the album cover.
Hey Frank
I am a year late but I finally got tired of stacking record crates and not seeing the majority of my records. I now stack them like shelves. Slowly going through each album and sleeving them as you recommended. Thanks for the video!
Thanks Virgil!
You sir! Just changed the way i will store my vinyl records from today!!!
I've been seeing this storage method on a few channels, and finally decided to take a closer look. I'm glad I did.
I'm tempted to subscribe to your channel, but my tastes also include 45s and shellac 78s. I might add some 80RPM Edison Diamond Discs to my collection at some point.
Thanks I will definetly use this technique
I was lucky enough to get one of those Anthrax that came with the special anthrax-designed slipmat. Every copy I've seen since doesn't have it
Keep the song, is very catchy!
Hi Frank, I really enjoy your videos; they are full of good recommendations and sound advice. On the outer sleeves, how do you manage when it’s a gatefold album? Do you use two sleeves? I’ve done this so far and it seems to work but the thin edge where you have the record information is not inside the sleeve, so not protected. Also, any particular reason for sliding the record so that the opening of the inner sleeve coincides with the opening of the outer sleeve? Thanks a lot and best wishes, Ignicio
I do sleeve all of my records in the MoFi sleeves, but I don't always put the records behind the jacket in the outer sleeve. I will do this with more rare records that I want to handle less, and typically they end up in an outer sleeve with a flap and seal. With gatefold 2LPs, I'll store both LPs in MoFi sleeves sandwiched in the gatefold cover while keeping the original sleeves in the jacket pockets. This way you can slide the records up out of the sleeve while leaving the gatefold cover in the outer sleeve.
Doesn't having the disk outside the jacket make it vulnerable to accidental scraping? I also think that many old records have ringwear because outer sleeves weren't widely used back in the day. Abrasion between jackets can also be prevented if they aren't rubbing too tightly with each other.
I thought the same thing about records getting scraped, even though they are in MoFi inner sleeves. I just won't take the chance. Also this practice will allow more dust to enter the sleeve and get on the record.
In the interests of limited rack space my records don't have an outer polyurethane jacket but such a measure is definitely beneficial, particularly how they're done and stored here.
I store mine the same way nice to see I’m not the only one lol
some people say it’s wrong but I think your vinyl store it how you want to 🤷♂️
Frank i do put my records in the outer sleeves but i don't have enough to cover them all though still have more to buy to cover all the records the pain of owning a big collection I do not however put the records in the back of the sleeve i leave them in the jacket i do put the jacket in the sleeve the way you do just have to remove the jacket to remove the record
This is a top tip! Thank you very much :)
I do the same thing with the sleeves also to keep dust away from the records.
great video! im new to collecting lps and this tip seems like a lifesaver. thank you
Thanks for tuning in!!!!
Frank
My thoughts on reducing ring wear would just be to not pack your shelves so tight. Most of my jackets aren't super tight so I can't see ring wear happening on them unless all of my records were compressed together tightly for long periods of time. And I feel like having records sitting in the outer sleeve would just cause ring wear in the opposite direction (concave compared to the typical convex ring wear). I also don't keep shrink wrap on nor use super tight outers just to reduce the pressure on the jacket.
I do the same so I don't have to take the cover out of the outer sleeve. I top load with the fold over close😊
This just changed my world
Bags unlimited sells a special kind of bag for gatefold/double album that work kind of like the sleeve on a library book.
Nice tip. Usually for those records like Tom Petty Wildflower 3 LP, I Just bagged the jacket, then I put each lp in separate sleeves: The Original Carboard Sleeve and The LP in a mofi sleeve.
The albums are stored back to back against each other on the shelves. So I don't understand the logic in putting the record outside the jacket to reduce ringwear, when you consider that this will cause the record to press against whichever next front jacket is wedged directly behind it. Also, the outer sleeves with the adhesive flaps (even though most people hate those) are better for having all four sides of the album sealed/protected and unable to have dirt, dust, or water enter.
I do it more for convenience... easy access to the record (for me). I'm clumsy, so the jackets with the adhesive tabs don't work for me, haha. I always get the sleeve stuck on that damn thing.
Cheers,
Frank
I use archival quality 6 mil standard sleeves. THE VERY BEST ON THE MARKET!!! Works PERFECTLY for single, double or triple!!! The Anthrax works just fine.
i really dig this video, i have been going back and forth with how i will display my collection at an up and coming record convention ( my first attempt to sell at one ). so firstly, i always store my records inside the covers but i do put mine in vertically into the plastic. it is a pain but keeps them really nice avoiding the cursed shelf sliding plastic problem you mentioned. at the show my records will be in boxes so this won't matter, but i would like to discourage the constant in and out of inner sleeves from the passing collector. i don't want to lose sales (even though i'm sure i'll lose a few this way) but i can't have these savages fucking up my shit. just taking a record out of the inner sleeve when it is shiny new will definitely leave a scuff even when you are super careful and i can't go here knowing my collection will be degraded (literally). so, do i keep them tight and a pain in the ass for my customers or do i store them sideways and let them have at it!!! lol any advice????????
Hey Frank! Love the new intro. Definitely keep the song! I always tap my toe to it lol.
Thanks Andy. Love the new name of your channel, BTW.
Cheers
Frank
1:53 Now and Zen... Tall Cool One...certainly I liked that song back in my teens
Nice "best practices" tutorial. I do exactly the same!
Vinyl Brother Luis N.
I use the re sealable but also keep albums tucked in the back as you do
Generally with most of my records, I put the records in hi quality inner sleeves and I put them in the Jacket. I put the original inner sleeve in the back of the outer clear cover so I can read the lyrics.
Shouldn't you put your inner sleeves sideways so you protect the record from dust by not having the opening exposed?
Robert Ian Hawdon This is exactly how i store my records!
Hi Robert! Definitely adding some extra protection by doing that. Looking over my records... some are opening up, some are sideways.
Cheers
Frank
Robert Ian Hawdon You don't need to the weight of the records between should be enough to keep your vinyl sealed from dust and other things it's also nifty if you worry about that make a custom piece of cardboard and Fit it to where it covers the cube of vinyl and it's perfect or you could dust. Storing them sideways could rip the sleeves. And if you're not. careful cause vinyl to slip out.
This is the absolutely right way to store the records
Robert Ian Hawdon. That’s the way I store my records
I use regular sleeves from Music Record Shop and have never had a problem putting a double or even triple lp in them.
I don’t know how after all these years I didn’t realize there was a solution to the sliding sleeve issue lol. Thanks for this.
The "sliding sleeve" is a real pain....
cheers
Frank
the Pepsi inspired T shirt rocks, maybe I might start doing the album jacket sleeve behind I have to store all my records in those crappy cardboard apple boxes, can't afford a shelf to display my records, but I do my best to take care of them!
That's a great Dannii Minogue track!
For albums that I care most about I use two outer sleeves, one that is open at the side opening of the jacket and the other one is slid down over the top of the album and also over the other sleeve. This is more expensive but in my opinion worth the extra cost. For other records that are less important to me, I simply slide the outer sleeve over the top of the album.
I do not like putting the record on the outside of the album because as the records are being filed or filed through (when looking for a particular record) there is a potential possibility of damaging the record by way of pressure from fingers thereby causing eventual warping.
Ring wear is caused by the records being filed too tightly and close together. On a shelf there should be enough room so that when filing through the albums, the front label of the record can easily be seen at an angle.
Loving the new intro, glad you kept the theme tune, it's really catchy! My original records from 30 years ago didn't get any special care and attention and they didn't get ring wear. I'm not sure how this method prevents ring wear, there is still the same amount of cardboard and vinyl and pressure (squeezing together) on the records when stored, unless I'm missing something. I put my records in replacement poly-sleeves but also keep them in the cover. I'd be willing to change my method if I can be convinced otherwise!
Hi Andy! For me, it's mostly about the convenience... easy to get out, without the fumbling.
Cheers man!
Frank
Is that a pioneer pl a300 I see at the back? Also. I think you can avoid ringwear even if you keep your record inside the package. It just means to be extra careful and not put much pressure on them, right?
T. Rex - The Slider spotted. Great band and album. Rock on!
I go sleeveless - it just feels better for me and my collection.
I have quite a thick album, with 4 records. Are there outer sleeves for those? While being able to stack the 4 records at the back with mofi inner sleeves?
hey there can you make a video about best record needles I really need to find a good one and your are the only one that can trust 💛
Thanks vinyl guy! I can only speak to the ones I've tried. I may tackle this at some point. Have you seen this vid? czcams.com/video/hlFtWZsKH1w/video.html
Hi guys I love my collection but I always remove the plastic sleeves after I buy then shelve them for me seeing and feeling the album cover before spinning connects to it on small level & adds to the fun of vinyl cheers
Where do I put the second record with double records? Should I put one of the record’s between the gatefold?
Frank, how do you open a brand new record that has shrinkage wrap?
It's funny you showed this method because that's how I do it with the outer sleeve going under opposed to sliding it on sideways.
Late to weigh in on this one, but it's a good topic...I always use new protective inner and outer sleeves, with the opening of the outer sleeve facing upwards like you show. I also tuck the record and inner sleeve behind the jacket in the outer sleeve, but I don't put the opening up. In other words, the opening for the inner sleeve is never aligned with the opening of the outer sleeve. Yes, It means you have to remove the inner sleeve to remove the records, but just one of those habits I've had for 40 years, and can't break. As for the inner sleeves that come with record, I never throw them away, just typically slide them back into the jacket so they're there if I want to pull it out and read or look at the artwork. Finally, I typically use oversized outer sleeves for gatefolds. Just easier. Some gatefolds will fit in the standard outer sleeves, typically if there is only one record, but I keep a supply of both standard and oversized.
I very much enjoy your channel. Keep up the good work.
Great Show
I usually do this method for one offs, but for box sets- for example, the nevermind 30th, it just wouldnt be feasible. I'm fine with taking the records out because they at least fit in the box in a uniform manner.
Interesting topic. I now store my records exactly like you. Putting the album behind the jacket also indicates to me that I have given a thorough spin-clean to the record before I file it away. I have not invested in Mofi inner sleeves yet because they are not available locally and they do cost quite a bit more than paper sleeves. I have not yet had problems with paper sleeves. Thanks for another great video! By the way, keep the intro theme song. It is distinct.
Thanks Cameron. Cheers!
Frank
Thanks for letting us know why you do what you do🎸🎸🎸🎼🎵
This is how I have been storing my records for over 20 years. people ask, what about dust? I keep the room clean and I clean my records. great video!
I know you say it would reduce ring ware to have the record behind but I’ve been wondering about scuffing the back of the jacket and can pulling adjacent records damage the actual vinyl next to it. I guess two layers of sleeve (inner and outer) reduce that possibility. Just wondering if anyone has been doing this for some time and can comment with any feedback.
I use Mylar outer sleeves with the adhesive on the outside. I got into vinyl after comic books so I’m already very careful with the adhesive strips just as a habit. Secondly, I keep my vinyl in MoFi inner sleeves. I do not keep the inners outside of the sleeve jacket. I keep them in the jacket themselves. The reason is, MoFi inner sleeves have a white backing that has texture to it and I have the foresight to understand that even as careful as this sounds, a textured surface is abrasive against your sleeve art. So I store them on the inside of the jacket sleeve where they are naturally supposed to go. As an added benefit, I get to actually handle the jackets when I play the albums and since the artwork is an entire feature of this medium, I like to immerse myself in the artwork as I listen. To prevent ring wear, I keep my vinyl loosely stored on the shelf and vertical.
I just recently invested in outer and inner sleeves. I also arrange mine the same way you do so the outer sleeve doesn't bunch up and I put my records in the back of the outer sleeve. just way easier that way.
Awesome. Works for me as well.
Cheers, Brad
Frank
Perfect solution to the annoying problem I have. Thanks
I do this and every outer sleeve I have has some ringwear, not the actual jacket. And I was wondering if this was normal?
Love seeing your T REX album up on the wall. Do you also have the Electric Warrior album?
you bet. Great album!!
I bought some outer plastic sleeves and they all seem to be just a tad shorter than the record cover where the cardboard record jacket sticks out at least 1mm, defeating the reason why i bought these sleeves. Did I get defective sleeves? Are some brands of sleeves inferior to others? Any suggestions or advice?
Thanks Frank! Love the song... Noticed right away the change up of clips, keep it up and change it around every once in a while. I've thought about doing my own custom song to fit the my channel, I just ended up pulling an intro off of one of my originals for the time being. I'm also so new I don't know exactly what direction I'll be headed with content ;)
As for the sleeves, I've actully been trying several different combinations out to see what I like the most. I do what you do especially with records that are snug when you try and slide them back inthe jacket. My biggest gripe is those open top sleeves have the seam running down the side and it makes viewing the spine quite difficult at times. Recently I've been trying out the resealable sleeves and actually have been really leaning that direction for most my collection in the future. I've tryed both top loading and side loading to find I like the side loading better. It also puts the non seamed bottom of the sleeve on the spine and since these sleaves are crystal clear I can read everyone with out issue. I thought I would grow tired of opening and closing them but after I got used to it it isn't really that much more work. The only downfall I have noticed is when I want to show them off on camera I need to take them out of the sleeve because they reflect light really well. -Ron
Thanks Ron, much appreciated! I haven't had a chance to check out your channel, but will do it this week. It sounds right up my alley.
I know a lot of people love the resealable sleeves. They are not for me ... The sticky part always gets stuck to the record for me. The key is finding what works for you, for sure.
Cheers,
Frank
records are better protected inside the sleeve while stored on the shelf. the only need placing outside the cover while in the mail, if a record is thrown around during transit, like they do then the record only has to shift a few millimeters to rip through the inner sleeve as well as the outer sleeve.
I have framed several of my favourite and more rare albums. Can you give any tips on safely framing albums?
I'll do it for jackets are really tight so I don't damage the inner sleeve
wow - watching this for the first time today - I kind of suspected but never knew you did the theme song yourself - you need to do more songs - maybe a record a Christmas Song to be the theme song for a few episodes for the holidays
I've been neglecting my guitar lately... I need to get back at it! Cheers Billy!
I keep records inside of their jackets and I put them into their plastic sleeves with their opening on the opposite side of the jacket's (looking at the front cover, you slide the jacket out from the left). Also, you shouldn't experience ringware if your records are stored vertically and not too tight.
I placed a cardboard filler that goes in the lp mailer boxes into a open top of a outer jacket sleeve and place the inner sleeve inside so i can read the lyrics while playing a lp...that way the inner sleeve is protected from fingerprints and other gunk and the cardboard filler keeps the inner sleeve flat and straight, so it doesn't bend and wrinkle from handling it. On the other side of the cardboard filler is a round 12" white poster board cut with a center hole that i use on the platter when playing 45RPM singles so the dust from the records don't get on the slip mat and leave a ring of dust that is hard to remove when i was using a soft soft tv cloth to wipe the dust off while the record is spinning in a slanted line from the locked groove to the outer edge. Now i use my air compressor for the dust and debris removal and still use this cut poster board for added slip mat protection from dust when playing the 45RPM singles.
I do the same but I would never put the inner sleeve opening facing up. This is asking for fingerprints when you go to grab a record. This is of course if you’re extremely paranoid of accidentally touching a record.
If u put two sleeve records next to each othercause its a 2lp.u dont think its harsh for the records. ?Will they warp?
I put mine in the outer sleeve with the spine facing outward. I don't mind taking that extra few seconds to remove the sleeve and open the record for playing.
I store mine exactly the same way, record and any ephemera behind.
I do put the inner sleeve 90 degrees rotated, so that the opening matches the opening of a standard cover. This way there's less dust and no possibility of the record itself accidentally sliding out of both the inner and outer sleeve.
Good tip! Thanks for weighing in.
Frank