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Vinyl Eyezz how is a crosley t150 turntable
Just a quick question, why shouldn't I hold the vinyl by the grooves? And also it's more important to have something cheap rather than nothing at all?
Maybe its time to move to more advanced stuff
Yeah but that’s all I can afford and it actually isn’t that bad
I started collectinc when i was 5yo cause i got my parent's record and record player, and i can tell i made ALL OF THE WORSE MISTAKES except for the one regarding the amplifier, cause the record player i got had already all built in, it's one of those 1980s cheap Amstrad stereo wich had radio tape and record all together,now i own a kenwood one
The mistake I made was thinking this was an affordable hobby :(
Eduardo Orozco fr tho
it can be afforable, my whole 126 record collection and technics qx200, 6 stack technics seperates akai speakers and gemini amp that i use as a channels cost me under £200 or $300 for everything. The trick is to not rush out to buy mainstream music and dive the bargains for gems, depends on your music tatse though. Im Into Dance and Reggae so records can be inexpensive (normally get 12 for £20) but if you are into rock or soul it gets expensive i have seen.
It used to be
The last 2 to 3 years become a expensive hobby.
LOL! Same here, same here...
Biggest mistake was when I got drunk and accidentally used my records as frisbees
Stone Roses? Nope. Second Coming? I like it
Shaun of the dead??
Just by looking at this comment make me hurt
@@jessewilliams7661 I don't think he meant using the second album you ever bought as a method of killing zombies.
Also known as “when cd’s came out”
The biggest mistake I think too many people make is buying specific records because it's something everyone collects. Buy what you like and don't worry about what other people are buying. These take up a lot of space on your shelf, so don't waste that space with stuff you'll never spin.
Exactly that. I know people that bought MJ just because everyone has but never listen to them. I bought a Napalm Death record without even listening to them up until then. But I like Metal and Deathcore, so I though: "Why not?" was a better investment than buying Michael Jackson.
BUT I got my hands on the red and the blue Beatles, which make me very proud and happy, because I love these records.
Where in the hell were you 40 years ago when I needed this advice, lol? Can I borrow a spare room???
“I thought this would be an affordable hobby” 😂😂😂😂 laughs in capitalism😂😂
I have just recently been given two separate hordes of Records 362 in all on top of the 63 records I already had 😳
Literally just gave my lil bro this advice
I just got my first record and I’m so scared of doing something wrong and ruining it lol
Say hi to Arthur for me!
i just didnt open my first record sins then i havent opened any of my records.
Same
same
I screwed up I scratch my 😭
"rule #1: dont get a suitcase record player"
welp i've already failed
Lol welp you wasted your money
@@EpicPotato9000 it was a bday present so not really
Video: dont get a suitcase record player
Me *sitting right next to my suitcase record player*: 😳😳
I got one for Christmas and Im keeping it cause I’m learning and also I can’t return it.
Same! But I’m ok with it being my first, I’ll upgrade when I’m ready!
Also, don't feel bad if your vinyl collection isn't enormous or doesn't have many popular titles in it. It's yours. Fill it with what YOU like, this is no place to try to impress anybody. For example, I have in my collection Megadeth, Barbra Streisand, Kenny Rogers, Wham!, Dead Kennedys, The Black Dahlia Murder, Bee Gees, etc... stuff I know I like. Also, don't let vinyl elitists or hipster douchebags discourage you from pursuing this hobby; it's fun, rewarding, and you may meet or connect with other cool people you may not have otherwise!
ハーレー黒澤 I only wish to have the Dead Kennedy’s in my collection. Or any original LA/OC punk band like Suicidal Tendencies or Social Distortion, on vinyl in that case!
i started collecting vinyl back in march, and i got around 20 records currently ( with artists like the beatles, the doors, led zeppelin, deep purple, nirvana, queen, etc ). no matter if you have 1 vinyl or 100 vinyl, it really doesnt matter what your status is!! just do what you want and venture out sometimes!!
Sounds like a nice collection
I needed this comment. Thank you
I have almost 200 records and they all range from metal to jazz to hip hop to punk
For the newbies :
You can just use a microfiber cloth and rubbing alcohol to clean the record as long as you turn the cloth the same way the record turns.
Paper sleeves are fine as long as you don’t take your records out every day or constantly.
With time, rubbing alcohol can actually damage the protective coating on the vinyl!
@@loganlockery3188 interesting… when I used rubbing alcohol (only leaving the microfiber cloth a little bit damp) my records have been fine
pls use wd40 instead
@@shaddoty this had me laughing my ass off
it has to be a 80 polyester 20 polyiamide (90 10 works too but 80 20 is better) NEW microfiber that you DEVOTE ONLY to cleaning your records and whip it out b4 you use it ^^
For anyone who’s starting out you don’t have to listen to this. Yes a suitecase vinyl will mess up your records after like 200 plays not instantly. Who cares if you say vinyls it sounds correct tbh. Clean when you can you don’t need the kit he showed you, you can get a brush and spray for like $20. Adjusting a tone arm and balancing is hard and look at tutorial videos but don’t get upset if you’re not sure on how balanced everything is. Get speakers you like. You can always upgrade later. And go listen to new music he’s right on that.
Thank you. You are one of the greatest
"Vinyls" sounds wrong and dumb af to anyone over 20 years old jfc. They're called records. If you say "vinyls" you're gonna get laughed at.
Thank you for not being a hobby stickler
The whole reason for getting into the hobby of record collecting is the awesome sound quality. If you're going to use a suitcase player, don't bother, you'll get better sound quality from mp3 or CZcams.
Received a crosley record player for my bday today. Was looking on tips and how to set it up, etc. First part of this video was a downer! Lol
Okay but what if I'm a broke teenager with a passion for records who can only afford the crappy suitcase turntables
You should consider a table from U-Turn Audio, who have reasonably priced tables that are worth buying or, maybe you can find a used table that's in good shape. Unless you know what you are doing, you may want to stick with new though. Another table that's cheap and worth considering is the entry-level Technics, LP60. Personally I'd go with a U-Turn though.
I am in the same boat i bought a victrola all in 1 its the same as the crosley and it aint that bad. Ive also learned that it wont ruin your records thats a myth so if u really want to start collecting go ahead and get one to hold you over until u can save up enough thats what im doing
@@GunClubKyle it isn't a myth, tracking force is the magnitude the stylus exerts onto the record, at most it has to be 5 grams which is bad, crosley is about 8/9
An audio technica only costs $40 more and wont ruin your records. I think you can even connect it to your computer or small speakers if you want to.
Consider going vintage. I bought a Pioneer PL-540 for 75 dollars after keeping my eyes out on craigslist and ebay for a few weeks. Just remember that it might need a new cartridge. Dirt cheap turntables are never worth it, I had one too when I was 13, and the few records I used to play on it are definitely damaged.
NEVER JUDGE A RECORD BY ITS COVER! I bought a record with a really funky psychedellic cover with this super cool French Girl on it, and so I thought it was going to be like a super fun 1960s ya ya girl album. Turns out it was polka .... I was pissed.
Also don't make the mistake of not checking a used record before buying it. I've gotten records where the jacket didn't match up with the record inside, were warped, or scratched to sh*t which I could have prevented by inspecting them first. It's unlikely that record stores would sell records like that but you never know, and its especially important when buying records at shows, antique malls, yard sales, thrift stores and off kijiji.
Polka rocks, and I´m dead serious.
Half MT
Yeah it the best music since techno shit
I like polka but I don't really expect anything from albums anyway I picked up Savoy Brown: Hellbound Train becuse of the cover. That's a good album. In general I have had a good go at judging these things by their cover but yeah it's a gamble.
May be desighn counts money. Keep it for collection. Sometimes polka is good.
Suitcase style is literally the only one my broke teenage ass can afford
Even the suitcase style record players are not cheap. Mine was a little over $60. Yes, it works just fine and iv never had a problem with it.
Check out the first Sony turntables. Around 80euros its fair
I’m so lost because what he says to buy is too expensive so what suitcase player brand do you own or recommend to me (something I can buy online, maybe from amazon?)
I agree with you whole heartedly
You have the start somewhere :) I ordered a suitcase styles because I do want to eventually upgrade. Try not to use expensive records tho.. maybe just get secondhand ones.. just in case.. heh
I put a 7" vinyl in the CD port of my car.
That is all
my man what
i have to know more
@@shutupgaydog827 same I’m invested in this story now
LOL, man! I cried out all my eyes laughing
I don’t care what anyone says, I’m still gonna call them *vinyls*
anarchy
I just say records or vinyl records when saying it in plural
"I broke my back, *SPINALS* "
Ikr
R um no
Me: "Hi I'm new in this vinyl game, can you give me some tips?"
This Video: "THROW ALL THE MONEY ON IT YOU CHEAP FOOL...oh and the plural is vinyl not vinyls."
Me: * opens Spotify *
Peasant.
AudreyburntheHep basically me
AudreyburntheHep crosley is good if you are just looking to listen to music and not be proffesional
Nora xxx Crosley isn’t good for anyone.. they are stupid pieces of crap that ruin your records
@@clareschaefbauer832 Just play it, they're not that sensitive.
WHERE you keep your vinyl collection is very important - I had a buddy with a large collection of vinyl. One day his GF decided to rearrange the room, and she had placed the vinyl collection against the baseboard heater. It didn't take long before 40 or 50 (or more) albums all warped on the first cut or two. A very sad ending.
Rule 1 I feel for me is for more serious vinyl collectors if your just starting don’t feel like you need that $500 set up. Start with what you can afford and test the water if you don’t like collecting then you haven’t wasted a ton of money in it. Most of us have started there and we moved to more higher end turntables, as our collecting grew. I love cheaper turntables because they get people into the hobby that didn’t think they could afford it before.
I dont see the point of the cheap turntables when its still easy to find something like a 70s Pioneer PL12D for the money?
@@mycosys I mean it's relative to where you are and your options, but I agree. I don't see the point in those suitcase turntables, I can see why people want to buy new as society makes them think new is better (its typically not) and they don't know about old tables either.
I definitely think something like an LP60 is the minimum and will get someone up and running whilst being convenient and sounding decent and most importantly not damaging albums!
Never discard the ''Old cheap paper sleeves'' if you're a collector hoping to sell or simply enjoy original pressings the original inner sleeve is part of it and thus can add value (Believe it or not) just a warning.
Rarely. Most of the time there is something (printed) on those original sleeves. He's talking about plain paper sleeves, those rarely add anything and can still scratch records.
Feedus4 nah. Unless it’s a printed sleeve I don’t care it’s missing. If I’m buying a 2nd record and it’s got a proper sleeve I’m more likely to buy since it shows it likely to be more cared for
Yeah I think it depends. Sometimes those paper sleeves are very dusty on the inside and make cleaning useless. I’ve bought new sleeves for all my thrifted and used funds
Almost any used records ive bought from Mexico including what was my most wanted record came with plastic bag sleeves with a round side
Yes thank you for this. I have many orginal pressings of the beatles albums and they still have the orginal sleeves! Just for this reason.
when i got my first real turntable i bought it at a pawn shop. the idiot at the pawn shop had no idea you needed an amplifier for a turntable and "couldnt get it to work" for me so gave me a HUGE discount on it!
Nicholas Zulick he just wanted to sell u the turntable.
Good one, HAHAHA!!!
Nicholas Zulick whoa 😲 Cool! That’s awesome!
Nicholas Zulick I mean if he doesn’t have a record player, then he’s not an idiot. Don’t assume he’s an idiot.
As a young, new record collector, I got a brand new Victrola suitcase record player that works fantastic. Not all of them are that terrible, I promise.
Enjoy. Be happy!
I have one too. It works just fine! The sound is ok and iv never had a problem with it.
I have the same thing and I agree
@@trinityharton1284 you dont
Scylax 30 what?
I have a Crosley. After research, the force is not enough to ruin records, just replace the needle and you're good to go. It's cheap and if you connect some speakers, you're good to go :/
i don't really understand. why should I change the needle'???
@@afriica_mg7047 you're actually supposed to change the needle every so often anyways as it wears down. usually factory needles probably arent the highest quality so if you're playing valuable stuff or just want your stuff to last a long time, you should replace it
@@afriica_mg7047 because the stock needle is basically garbage, and you can get diamond tip ones 3 for 5 dollars on Amazon. Diamond tip best tip you can get.
@@basedmax9029, one thing I have found as I collect vinyl is to use an elliptical when I can. Conicals are generally what you find, especially on the Crosley players, and they do a reasonable job but if your cartridge has an elliptical available you get better sound, especially on the bass end as the needle sits deeper into the grooves and there is less "junk" there to create the scratches and pops normally associated with used vinyl. Of course, with players like the Crosley, you're more than likely NOT going to be able to tell the difference as the amps and speakers that come with those are just not capable of that level of sound. No, I am not one of those "audiophiles" that tells everybody that, unless your system costs thousands and thousands of bucks, that you're not "doing it right". My equipment does what I want it to do and while not the top of the line for some "audiophiles" it sounds just fine for me. And really, isn't that why we buy records in the first place, to ENJOY them?
@@richardcline1337 very thoughtful, yet I have absolutely no idea what an elliptical is.
I will be able to tell the difference in sound, I have a speaker setup I have it hooked up to. I honestly like the sound of it it does just fine but on 45rpm vinyl it has a white noise like ambience at any speed to it.
And it definitely needs extra bass ha!
Man, you have a very similar thought process as me. I'm not getting into the high end record players because I just am not that interested into records as much as other collectible items. Therefore, I'm not paying an extra 400 dollars in equipment minimum for a very small increase in sound compared to my 100$ setup I have (Crosley and WKing d8 speaker).
Although I am interested in an upgrade for my Crosley, and if you could explain conical and elliptical for me that would be great.
Thanks in advance for your help!
It's funny I grew up with everyone around including me listening to records and we didn't have rules like this back in the 80s and most record players that were available were just standard players not like this fancy ones we have today. But the funniest thing is that I still own a lot of those records and they still sound great and no pops or cracks just clear sounds only rules that I agree with is holding them by the edges and using your standard needle on the 75s
Same here. I don't understand why people overthink something like playing a record.
Some people just go crazy these days especially the Craz Audio guys that pay huge amounts of money for a decent setup in the 50-10k area
Yeah, but you can't have just two rules in a top 10 record mistakes CZcams video. It might not get as many views. That said, I agree. I bought an all-in-one Victrola and it's great. It's just a fun little hobby.
East TN Local Music is staking them okay ?
I
sick and tired of people dissing suitcase style turntables
if that’s what you can afford at the moment and what you want get it! you can make upgrades in the future
This dude is trying to put too many damn rules in this game. It ain't a serious science, of course you get what you pay for..... But c'mon now Sir.
@Jonathan Ruiz stop spreading this BS. They just sound like crap. They aren't going to destroy your records
Jonathan Ruiz if you can only afford something like that you aren’t gonna have super expensive records 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@Jonathan Ruiz you can buy a new higher quality needle for this reason 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ stop buying into stereotypes.
Well all you need is like 30 to 40 dollars more 🤷🏼♂️ he is just trying to help y’all cus the speakers on the suitcases are built in so it might even discourage people to listen to it cud it’s sounds like crap
My only record player is a crosley my dad left behind. The only thing bad about having a crosley is how much people make fun of you for it, besides that, I don’t care, my crosley is fine
I think they're adorable, I don't care what anybody thinks.
theres really nothing wrong. dont give into peer pressure
They’re not that bad, they sound good enough and as long as they work, then it’s okay
Only the cheap Crosley cruisers are garbage. Crosley actually makes some pretty good turntables if you look at their higher end ones. If your dad left you a Crosley, I highly doubt it was a Cruiser, so you probably have a decent Crosley
Crosleys dont get a fair representation. Mine is working fine and It will stay fine for years as long as you keep it clean and replace the needles when they get worn.
“Take chances with new music”
I’m never gonna financially recover from that
The large majority of these reissues that are out there r decent but with the big issues r no such thing as quality control at these pressing plants. I just recently bought Metallica's black album from 1991. Its no longer under their original label Electra now pressed by Blackened records. Paid $30 bucks for the album played one record noticed a slight warpage same as #2. Another issue is not bein mastered at the right speed. So beware of these problems when checking out all this 180 gram vinyl!
these "common mistakes" are can just be summed up in one sentence, "if you're poor, don't get into this hobby". these were less common mistakes and more your personal preferences.
unless your dad already go 2 amplifiers, 2 technics mk 2 e 4 pair of JBL speakers :D . The only money I spent was on Vinyls. So before giving up just try to ask your relatives or parents if they possess some equipment they don't use anymore.
My dad gave me his two 38-year-old, half meter high speakers, amplifier, cca 40 vinyls and bought me a new record player cause his didn't work. He gave me all of that as a present for my 15th birthday cause my grandfather gave him the same for his 15th b.(not vinyls, he collected them by himself)...so i didn't spend a penny
I guess you'll have to change it to: "If you're poor, and don't have a dad that has a whole sound studio sitting around, don't get into this hobby."
Got my Dual 12 series, slapped an AT95e on it, SABA 150 amp and Philips MZ9 speakers. Ran me maybe 100€ in total, including that I got the entire turntable serviced and rewired by a specialized company (you should do that after roughly 65 years).
In total, that combo blows away my dad's multiple thousand € setup with a Thorens turntable, Technics speakers etc.
You can have a very good listening experience for a few bucks.
If you don't have too much money, just save a little bit and rather spend it on stuff that has a great lifespan and quality, so you will spend less in the long run. You can make it your hobby, you just have to be more patient and a real bargain hunter!
When I was a pre-teen, I had an "all in one" (Topaz brand) record player and still would enjoy playing.
no one:
channels like this: make sure to spend hundreds on some fancy record players and do ten million things to precisely calibrate everything on it, also crosley cruisers are the devil
Ive never understood the hateboners these guys have over crosleys
@@aliuniversal4100 they are okay just not exactly premium by any stretch. Its a bit like buying a 10 quid pair of headphones vs a 100 quid pair.
At the end of the day the hate is definitely exaggerated by the elitists, but they aren't wrong in saying avoid crosleys if you have money AND enjoy music. Because at the end of the day why not just invest an extra bit of money to get a more solid product that will last for years?
Didn't every teenage use a suitcase turntable back in tha olden days..... All this nonsense about these cheap turntables is stupid. I have a new CROSLEY and a Technics 1200 MKII.... Sounds about the same - Not to mention it depends on the mixer, reciever and speakers. I have the CROSLEY hooked up to an old AIWA bookshelf stereo FROM THE 90S..... SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!!!!
ACID TRIP you're ignorant or deaf, then
Playing records that costs 26 € on a 50€ recordplayer just doesn't make sense....
I think it’s worth mentioning that 7” singles were typically designed to be stacked on top of each other (I’ve seen some paper thin ones which I don’t think are the same though). The labels are made to be thicker than the part with the grooves.
I find the history interesting too, 7” and 12” records started off as two rival formats, there were 7” players made to play a whole album by switching between multiple 7” records. But eventually they became the format for singles while 12” became the format for albums.
You've got it! I think it wasn't until the 60's that 12" singles came out but only because you could get so much more of one song on it. Unless you were into that type of music, they really weren't very practical when you could buy a conventional 12" album by the same group and have up to twelve songs on it, just none that ran much over 3 minutes each, Inna-Gadda-Da-Vida by Iron Butterfly being one of the exceptions where an entire side was dedicated to one song running just over 17 minutes.
Never stack 45s on an auto changer. This type of turn table was the normal in the 1950s - 70s . The records will slip and slide causing damage to your valuable records.
@@philipsharples615, that was very prone to happen if you were using the old tube style 45 rpm adapter. BSR's adapter was very slim and usually worked well as there was very little friction to hold the records back. If you were very much into the old 45's the players like the RCA Model 45 series automatic made for 45's was the best idea. Even then you wanted to make sure that spindle was clean so you had no buildup to cause binding. I still have one of those and it works quite smoothly although it's still hard on the leading edges as the tone arm comes down.
@@richardcline1337 12 inch singles also tend to have much higher sound quality - there's just simply more space for the groove to move and that means more dynamic range available in mastering, esp in the bass. Hence the popularity of 12in singles in electronica ;)
October of 2019 I bought a Victrola all in 1 record player as a novelty because my GF had 2 old 78s she wanted to hear. That was my first mistake. What got me hooked on vinyl was when I found an original pressing of REM's document in mint condition at a consignment shop for $10 back in March of 2020. I brought it home and put it on the Victrola and started to get hooked as I opened the jacket and read everything on the back and the record sleeve. I felt as though I was holding a piece of history while the songs played. 9 months later I've since upgraded to a U-Turn Orbit with a 2M red Ortofon cartridge without the preamp, A Fosi preamp, a Nobsound MS10D amplifier and Klipsch RP 5000f floor standing passive speakers with a Klipsch 10' powered sub. My record collection has grown from 1 to 48. The next thing I did was upgrade all of the sleeves and changed them out. I went with rice paper anti-static sleeves and I also bought jacket sleeves as well. It was one of my pandemic hobbies. The latest records I bought were a new reissue of Pavement's Crooked rain crooked rain and a new reissue of Thelonious Monk's Monk's Music which sounds spectacular, It's one of the best sounding Jazz albums I currently own. I've spent $1,500 on my set up and about another $400 on my total record collection. That’s quite a lot of money when you add it all up but the level of sound I get is superb, friends and family immediately notice the sound quality and want to flip through my small collection and put something on. Your videos were great in helping me avoid mistakes and doing some research before purchasing. Regarding the floor standing speakers, I just preferred them because I have the space in my music room, I don’t know if they actually sound better than bookshelf passive speakers. Regarding the 2 grand I have invested, yes it's alot of money however it's simply money I saved by not eating out and going on trips in 2020 due to the pandemic. Also the upgraded audio equipment forced me to pull out all of my CDs that were stored in boxes in my basement, I've now cataloged them and purchased a CD player that's hooked up to the amplifier. The amp is also Bluetooth so I have the option of playing anything from my phone as well. I turned an unused dining room into my music room. The level of pleasure it gives me far outweighs the money I spent and I've really enjoyed the art of hunting for the next record that's worthy to be added to my collection :).
You should do your own video as you very elequently explain your justification for your outlay without making others feel like they're doing it all wrong or buying the wrong stuff etc, like this video does. I think you would be able to encourage people into record buying and not alienating them.
@@stevehadfield5963, I think the point he made here is, buy what you can and upgrade as you can until you reach the level with your system that makes you happy. What other people may or may not think does not matter. I'm a 77 year old geezer, been collecting music in almost all genres from reel-to-reel, cassettes, vinyl and even the old 8-track tapes for decades. My system is not matched as some "audiophiles" seem to think it has to be, but it works for me and works very well. I can listen to very soft, quiet passages in classical music or I can break light bulb filaments with Phantom Of The Opera's theatre organ. A lot of my taped music was collected because much of the music never made the transition to newer genres or even more, to CD's. I tried converting some of my tapes to CD;\'s but when the blanks started becoming so crappy and unreliable, I stopped. Luckily I kept the tapes.
My record player is a suitcase and I’m happy with it. I’m aware it’s not the best but I think it’s a good option for people who’re unsure if they want to go to the deep end of record collecting.
The price is the sole reason I opted for it.
Well, I do believe that we make ourn own decisions. Mainly the idea is that if you want to pay 100€ for a suitcase or 70€ for Japanese secondhand player from the 80's.
Some people like AM radio. Seems like a very expensive way to get awful sound quality tho
This is fair, but you can get an Audio Technica AT-LP60X for about $130 USD, which is about double the price of most suitcases. Plus, suitcases damage your records after a while which will lead you to spending more money in the long run due to having to spend more money on records.
The whole “damage your records” myth has been busted by people who have done research about the history and original specifications of vinyl records. Sure the Crosleys and other Briefcase style units track a bit heavier (meaning the needle presses down on the record harder) than many higher end turntables, and they come stock with a cheaper sapphire stylus (instead of Diamond). These needles wear out faster, and the heavy tracking does not help with that issue. A worn out stylus will wear out a record faster, but a new Crosley won’t really destroy your records after 2 plays like some would claim. In fact, most vintage record players, from the days when records were the norm, tracked just as heavily as a Crosley. I’m not saying the suitcase record players are good though, because there have been quality control issues, and there are design flaws. Some of them stop too early on 45s, and others have an issue on LPs where the slightest warp on the record will cause it to rub against the back lid, causing pitch issues. Also, some records from the 90s era when DJs were the main user of records, had heavier bass content. The DJ turntables were built to handle it, but some cheaper record players might skip on these records.
Really, you’d be suprised how much better sound you can get from just a small step up, even from Crosley themselves. The Crosley T150, while it isn’t portable, features external speakers, an adjustable weighted tone arm, and I believe an Audio Technica cartridge and (diamond) stylus. Probably a bit nicer on your records than the cheapest briefcase style ones.
@@coolgirladrianTrue about the Audio Technica player, but that won’t just make sound on it’s own. You’d also need a receiver and a set of speakers. This will increase the cost to probably triple the cost of just the turntable itself.
There are good stepping stones between them, such as the Crosley T150, which has the same needle and cartridge as the LP60x, external speakers, and even an adjustable counterweight, for only a little more money than just the LP60x itself!
“Buying all in one turn tables”
Me: *Looks at my 8 in1 order on it’s way from amazon*
the funny thing is that my 8 in 1 victrola turntable is on its way too lmao
@@bublehnoodlez4469 my 420 in 69 comes this week too lmao
Gelly Gam same. i watched this video to make sure i wasn’t being satanic to my records, and he showed my EXACT player as the example of what not to get. i feel attacked.
Gelly Gam Bruh my 6 in 1 Victrola came in yesterday. I did my research and don’t worry about it. it’s really good. The only ones you should avoid are the suitcase ones
@@rosetheghost453 thank you I was worried 😪
For the thing about not taking chances, thats a bit of a luxury for people who have plenty of money to spend on records, what i would recommend instead is giving the album a listen through on your phone or other device to make sure you actually like what you’re about to spend good money on. You can still be explorative, but without the need to waste money on something you’re not going to listen to.
Biggest mistake I ever made was not badgering my father to show me how to properly align a cartridge and balance the tonearm. Not that I needed to know back then, as the old BSR record changer I inherited from him didn't have a lot in the way of adjustment, but it was a steep learning curve when I started acquiring turntables where I could make such adjustments.
I know better now, but still consider myself a student in the craft. His turntable always sounded amazing... I sometimes wonder what he knew that I am missing.
To everyone freaking out about the price of turntables, Audio Technica has a $100 turntable with a built in pre amp that I hooked into the sound bar and sub i have my tv hooked into and it really is a massive upgrade from the all in one players.
That or if you dont mind a lil tinkering you can get a 70s manual player for about 100US and a decent 15YO HT amp (With HD digital audio and phono) for about 70US, old tower speakers go for next to nothing, you can get something that will astonish you for under $250 US
Both ways make a lot more sense than cheap AIOs
I have a all in one record player bc it was a gift and honestly I don't have the money or space to get all those 4 things you mention :/
Pre owned technics on ebay mate
@@Luke-yx5ve they said they don't have the space. What part of that didn't you groove on?
@@suranae considering he already has one, it means he has space for one just not space for all the stuff in the video, a preowned technics on ebay is one thing, the other parts of the hifi don't have to be all in one place or you can just have a stack
@@suranae once u get into highend hifi products ull want to keep upgrading and you make space
Pick up a second job and get a bigger place. This is a hobby for men in the 6 fig club. Get in or shut the damn door.
Lol jp I can’t even afford to have one gifted to me. I’m poor and so are my broke ass friends.
“never stack your records,”
Me: I have done, a no no
Edit: I have fixed it
Many people have stacked their records. The actual no-no is don't store the records stacked. Temporarily is OK. A few hours don't hurt, even a couple of days is not major damage. Going for months on end? Then there might be some problems, but to say "NEVER" is a bit extreme. Then again some of these rules are like those stamp collectors that insist on wearing gloves at all times while "handling" stamps.
Literally I saw that and moved my records instantly
I was stacking my records until i got passed 10 albums
But my few records are stored in a book thing because it came in my super deluxe boxset. How am I supposed to store that upright? It will just spill the contents of the box onto the floor
Thank god I knew all of these. You got me so worried there, started collecting at the beginning of the pandemic. Only thing I regret are I purchased a turntable that can not be modified fully and also trusting second-hand seller's grading on their vinyl. 7/10 sounds more like 3/10 with a forest fire going on even after cleaning the vinyl with all methods possible.
I really hate those Crosley things, but saying that they "destroy" records is just not true, if anything, it's exaggeration. VWestlife made a good video to prove that.
Death why are those record players so bad? I have a Denver record player wich is like the crosley but i was on a bugdet and i don't have a lot of space for a big record player, the good record players are pretty expensive her in Norway
I see no problem in starting with an all in one and seeing if you like the handling of records and then slowly upgrade as you continue and what lies in your means. Liek every other hobby, people can get snobby with what they like ;) just do your thing and try out stuff from time to time.
I totally agree, I have a Ricatech all in one my self, and changed the needle. Works fine, the quality of my new records did not really change over time. Besides, most records that people buy are second-hand anyway, and already affected by dust and other tiny flaws. But then again, that's the charm of listening to Vinyl I think. Those little imperfections add a lot to a record.
i have a portable 1 by one record player and its fine
That’s reassuring, because I just got one for Christmas!
2:50 ... I am 71, so vinyl is where I started. I was aware that the paper sleeves were bad for records and bought plastic lined sleeves for my entire collection which numbered about 800 before CDs. However, if you happen to have any collectible releases, the original inner sleeve is important for the price you might receive.
It's the second time I'm commenting. I think that numbers 8, 7, 6, and 2 can be very important. Number 2 stacking records as straight up and down is pretty important. Records can warp easily either from temperature changes, or also likely from being stacked flat; and with a couple of other vinyl together. Records do not have to be perfectly vertical, but they should as you've explained, not flat for a long time. This record channel is one of my favourites.
Thanks! As the "old guy" in the room (55), I'm so glad to see vinyl becoming cool again. I have so many great memories of music on record; my older cousins & their (often) extensive collection (this was the 70s, folks); sitting in front of the component stereo, with my big fat RCA headphones & a brand new release, opening the record & listening to it from beginning to end, while reading the cover & the liner notes (often with the actual words to the songs, who played lead guitar on which song, etc. I couldn't hear anyone calling my name; I was in musical heaven! I always cleaned my records, serviced the needle, etc. Even today, I clean my CDs & DVDs (& the players). And I had cassette tapes, too, with a cleaner tape & a de-magnetizer. Take care of your LPs, kids, & they'll last WAY longer than your CDs! [Don't get me started on digital! mp3? CRAP!!!] Anyway, thanks again. tavi.
Richard Deese, you're on to something as CD's are dying. It's hard to even find blanks in the stores these days much less the equipment to record them on. I think Best Buy was the first to drop CD's and many stores followed. I used to have an extensive CD collection even tough my heart was, and still is, in vinyl. Sadly, I just tossed out over 500 CD's that just stopped playing! I tried them on my system, my truck and even my computer....nothing! As it turned out, as the market became more and more flooded by the cheap discs made in China the quality of the materials also went into a vertical dive and the results have killed the industry. I actually had one delaminate in my system player and what a mess!
Hey Jarrett! I’m 14 and I started collecting Pink Floyd albums on vinyl (I even have a 1979 copy of The Wall). You’re videos have helped me learn how to take care of them so I can enjoy them over and over for a long time. Thanks, man!
+Hayden Snow Productions I find that realy great and i´m happy that `youngsters´ like you keep the vinyl train running. I bought my first record in 1979 (The Police : Outlandos d´amour) from 1978 and still have it and it still sounds Great ! That´s a 40 year old record ! So Do take good care of them and you´ll enjoy and appreciate them in another 40 years. :)
elCaxi1971 Thank you sir. If I ever have kids I’ll be sure to show them the best era music ever had (basically anything before my generation, in my opinion, specifically 60’s-80’s).
@@snodude6466, after the 80's in my opinion, music DIED! Nothing in my extensive collection is newer than the mid 80's. Whatever this stuff is today, it just does not compare with the older material.
Collecting for 8 years now and still learned some things from this video, thanks!!
Vigrin records: Noooo! Don't stack me! Don't leave me in the car! Buy me an expensive cartridge and turntable so you don't ruin my grooves!
Chad CDs: Lol you left me in your glove box for six years, but that's fine. You can still throw me in the computer and listen to me, maybe rip my music so you can have it whenever. Just put me back in my case when you're done.
*sponsored by CD gang*
CD is amazing
that’s the point of vinyl it’s like taking care of babies
I used to collect CDs as a child and so the child in me has an affinity with CDs but adult me finds vinyl so much more gorgeous lmao
vinyl are more luxurious but CDs are more useful in general
Cassettes are better than CDs. CDs get scratched too easy and skip a lot
I'm saving up for my first turntable to start listening to vinyl, so this was super helpful! Thank you!
i often refer to vinyl as “records” or “albums” anyone else?
Sometimes although I use the term “45 Singles” and “LP’s”
Everyone that isn’t a hipster A*hole.
i grew up around ‘retro’ music and recently was gifted a player- we always called them records, and my family corrects me often when i say ‘vinyl.’
The mistake about stacking vinyls on top of each other is something I never knew. I’ve only been collecting it for about 2 months now and that’s how I’ve left it since then. Some of my records are very slightly warped, but they’re still playable and sound good. Thankfully, I’m getting a record box for Christmas so that should solve things
Its nice to see that something like vinyl records and turntables,that almost disapered when cd was launched,its more and more apreciated by music lovers and audiophiles than ever.
I feel like this video has alot of misinformation, especially because of how little it takes time to explain anything in more detail, if it's a beginner guide it should have more info in it, also Crossly Crusiers have a tracking force of 5.5 grams, which most records will handle that normally, in fact they are designed to handle the weight of 4.5 to 6.0, which 5.0 to 5.5 is the most optimal for playing records with the best results, although if you do your research and want to get into vinyl seriously, then a Cruiser isn't going to do it, but if you get a Cruiser or a all in one system as a gift, your vinyls will still play just fine without being destroyed :)
And immediately replace that cheap, crappy sapphire needle that they all come with. That is what damages the records and give the Crosleys such a bad rap. Replace it with a good diamond and your records will thank you.
@@richardcline1337 I’m a bit confused of what the difference is? I’m saying this out of curiosity to see if I should replace mine.
@@brennadeen1855 The sapphire needles are very soft material and they wear extremely fast. Once the wear starts they begin to cut into the grooves of the record, damaging it and ruining the sound. A diamond replacement does not wear like that and generally will last a long time. Yes, if you play a lot of records you will have to replace the diamond as it wears but as a whole, they are far better than any sapphire made. The diamond holds it's shape far better as well, whether it's a conical or an elliptical. I hope this answers your question.
The plural of Lego is Lego. Please tell your friends
Legos.
Tell that to my mom
The plural of Lego is Lego. Please tell your friends
My ex boyfriend made such a big deal about this too 😆
Pokémons...
I’m too broke for this ima just stick to my suitcase a ha ha
I just recently got into collecting vinyl and I had them stacked on top of each other but thank god i saw this video because I didn't know you weren't supposed to stack them so after I saw this, I stood them up on my shelf 😓
I use a Victrola suitcase recordplayer and the quality is excellent. The sound is good too, and vinyl will wear off eventually. Not all of them are horrible. Also, this was very helpful. I didn't know the paper cover could damage my records. (This is especially good to keep in mind since I have an old Jermaine Jackson record from 'the '70s) Thank you!
(I also always held the edges of the vinyl, even when I got my first one. I didn't want to ruin it. XD)
Yea i love my suitcase player, it may not sound the BEST but it gets the job done for cheap and it doesnt damage anything so this dude got one thing wrong.
Digging in the crates is always awesome! Can spend a whole day doing this. There’s nothing like digging all day and coming up with a gem!
Just fixed up a direct drive Pioneer pl-518 from the 1970s. Got a new cartridge and stylus. The tricky part was getting the cartridge aligned just right with a protractor (Stevenson, etc.) so I get the clearest sound possible out of both the left and right speakers.
I have been collecting records for over 50 years and been a Dj for a local community radio station. I have 78s, over 4000 45rpm singles and 1000 + albums and Cds .
Many of my records are from the 1950s & 60s .
I have found that some early 45s ( 1948 - 53 ) need to be played with a stylus with a larger radius. This is especially so for early SUN LABEL BLUES 45s . I know that your videos are aimed at new collectors but hope that some older people find this useful.
Everyone over the age of 45 rolling around on the floor laughing at this.
Thanks! I've learned so much from your channel these past months, Im educating myself before I buy any turntable or speakers. keep it up👍🏼
Just bought my first setup 2 weeks ago and I'm very happy to say I haven't made any of these mistakes 💪
I avoided a lot of mistakes watching your videos. Thanks a lot!
Over paying for vinyl is one mistake people make .
metalmichael13 But ya live and learn...
Yuuup! Know what you’re looking for and how much it’s worth. I verbally smack people over selling vinyl and put them in their place.
Kid Cudi’s Satellite Flight and his rock album WZRD vinyl is over $700 because they were rare 😅
amen to that
Hold the line- Toto
More like: *Africa- Toto*
*Meme intensifieS*
@@kapi4322 Cringe
I agree with the last one. I buy lots of mystery vinyl and I’ve always liked them.
I was taught a paper sleeve with a anti-static plastic inner sleeve was the best. I put almost all of mine in them and most have very few specs of dust.
I only stared collecting in September 2017 and I have one of those suitcase players ever since and works great! I also made the mistake of piling my records on top of each other as they were in a drawer. That’s all been changed now as they’re all in storage boxes on a new IKEA unit. I also collect 78s and those were also piled. Thankfully I don’t have many of those otherwise they’d smash!
The piling technique is how I broke a guy Mitchell LP I had. It was called “A Guy In Love” I wasn’t really too into his Music as much as I am now but it’s still a shame as I’ve never been able to find another copy since
Here is a jargon buster (to use an internet term) of words used by us oldies for "vinyl" before we used the word "vinyl"! Record(s), LP(s), Album(s), EP(s), Single(s), 45(s), 12" (singles), Picture disks, Floppy disks, Double LP(s)/Album(s) (never gate sleeve, unless you were into Prog Rock) and the one and only time you would use "Vinyl was: "colour(ed) vinyl".
Hi, EP was extended play you got two tracks on one side of a 7" single. Usually on the B side. Which wasn't the A side which was the side that featured the hit that sold the record. The EP part was extra.
Wow thanks. I just bought a really nice old turntable and some of these really enlightened me especially the one about stacking you records
I got a few of my great grandmothers records when she passed away recently just shy of her 103rd birthday, they were so dirty and cleaning them with my record brush was super satisfying
mistakes made !! never .. because when i went into player records it was back in the 60s when you could only afford to buy the best..so you made sure you looked after them all.. a friend of mine got rid of the whole collection of albums he had .. & now he regrets ever doing that.. but i never ever thought about getting rid of my collection ..& now i even treat them better than when i bought them..
so all your advice is very good for the new wave of collectors that are having all the fun of playing records or as they like to call them Vinyl.. really enjoyed listening to you telling everyone exactly how i feel.. Paul
Thank you for this video. I immediately stood up my records.
same
Alexander Stoianov I fcking ran upstairs
HOT TIP: Instead of buying a turntable with an amplifier, speakers etc. JUST GET A BLUETOOTH COMPATIBLE TURNTABLE AND USE A BLUETOOTH SPEAKER. My Father owns a music studio, and he says as long as you have a Bluetooth turntable and a speaker with sound buttons or a knob you are good to go.
I STRONGLY recommend the Sony PS-LX310BT in particular, reasonably priced and perfect although does not play at 78 speed.
I got the Audio-Technica AT-LP60 and a nice set of Bluetooth speakers, happy I did in the long run. This guy makes it sound like you need all of this gear no matter what turntable you have.
I bought the Sony PS-LX310BT and it works perfectly with my sound bar. I wanted something easy to use that could be connected through Bluetooth and this model responded to all my needs
@@stainedxx with bluetooth its gonna sound like streaming quality
Nice video!
And I'm proud to say I tip off every mistake and apparently I even like to buy records based on a cover. Thanks for sharing this!
The plural of RECORD is RECORDS.
The ones I have are mostly made of VINYL.
I cry a little inside everytime I see someone grabbing vinyl by the grooves.
That's normal with club and scratch DJs, just make sure your hands are clean and always clean the records.
@@mixmasta262 Was searching for a 'DJ' comment regarding touching the grooves.
Back cueing & scratching require one to handle the record in a way a 'normal' collector would not.
@@SnaxxNZGaming, but remember that is NOT playing a record so the damage is not an issue. That is just making noise.
Just random... but I had actually picked up a vintage ‘all-in-one’ just to play 78s when I first started (way back). They definitely worked for that genre and gave the music ‘that’ vibe upon playback.
I originally jumped straight into spinning Jungle/DnB, and it was common to just mash the counterweight all the way forward when playing out, but that was probably out of necessity due to bass bumping or floors moving!
Fortunately my SL-1200s were studio decks, so now 1 of the 2 is in use just for playback/sampling duties.
I just need to pickup a more balanced cartridge instead of using a Shure M44-7 for all genres.
Pass the vinyls please 😅
Ramos EC, I am assuming (very dangerous thing to do) that the SL-1200's were the Technics brand? Those are not bad turntables at all if they are set up correctly. I actually use a Technics SL-D1 which is rated as an "entry level" turntable but I love it as it's quiet, steady and reliable. I have a Shure 44-7 in my collection and it's a workhorse of a cartridge. It is still quite popular even today even though Shure stopped manufacturing cartridges decades ago. I use mine for records that may not be as pristine as I would like. With an elliptical needle it covers a lot of sins. I recently "discovered" the Vestax brand cartridge from Japan. They are hard to find needles for but I really like the sound quality. The bottom line is, as I've said elsewhere, is to buy what sounds right for YOU and to heck with what everybody else says.
"Vinyl are not supposed to pop and crackle"
Sometimes not everything has to be true
Don’t forget keep your vinyl away from any heat source.
Excellent advice. That means don't lean records next to the amplifier, leave them out in the sun, or store them in a hot room.
thejayeee as long as you stack them all horizontally, one on top of the other - you’ll be fine :)
ShOoT.
Back in the day I lent an aquatance a 12" version of Painted Moon by the Silencers. The fool left it in his car under the Aussie Sun. Needless to say the disc was unplayable!
The plural of vinyl is vinyl 😂😂
now if Americans could only get it through their heads that the plural of Lego is Lego
Mewlysses bed time child shhhhh
*vinyl records
I'm a Gen-X'er. We never said "vinyl" back in the day, just "records".
I am Italian, in Italy the plural of "vinile" is "vinili".
I write from a little country near Milano and I like England and english
music. Sorry for my english language. Fabioo '961
I did by an all in one as my first turntable, but only because I was on a budget. The quality did sound good at the time though and I did only have it for a few months before switching to the LP120XUSB
OMG U SAVED MY LIFE! I started my vinyl collection last month and i had no idea i had to balance the tonearm, and i still don't know how (the vinyl player i'm using is a crosley, so I'll make sure to change it)
A good tip for discovering new music: research record labels. Back in the 50's & 60's, there were many independent record labels that specialized in specific genres. For example, some of the prominent labels in R&B were Stax, Chess, Aladdin, Peacock and Vee Jay. Some more modern labels I like to keep my eye out for are Third Man Records, Sub Pop and Daptone. Also, give some small & regional labels a try. There were many artist who never got a big break and a contract with a major record label like Elvis did. In some cases, you might stumble across a highly collectible record.
STAX was the label to beat for many years.
i always did everything this guy is talking about, i have been collecting records since i was 14 teen years old, i have vintage record players that go back into the 1920's witch was called a talk box at that time and you had to wind it up to play a record, i have a 1951 Philco phonograph i restored, i have a 1949 admiral phonograph that I restored and it only plays 78 records, i also have a great system witch is made by pioneer, turntable, receiver, amp, tape deck, CD player and speakers, this system is what i play all my records on, i have more vintage record player but it is too many to list but i am pretty sure you get the picture of what i have collected over the years, listen to what this guy is saying because he is right about everything, and good luck to Everybody's record collecting.
i’m not too far into my record collecting but so far i’ve only made two of these mistakes haha. i was gifted one of the suitcase players for my bday two years ago which is how i got into collecting and i thought i was good to go. but after buying myself a new one for the same price after my cats broke the first one, i realized how bad the sound quality was. thankfully most of the ones in my collection are new so i haven’t played most of them too much so hopefully they aren’t too damaged from those players. any recommendations for better ones? and i thought it would make my shelf look “super cute” a few months ago to stack them one on top of the other with my cds on top and it took me an entire month to put two and two together that it would damage them 🤦🏼♀️
One mistake I made, having a record player with no amplifier and no preamp, I was listening to one of my favorite albums called age of property or by foreigner, and I noticed that the sound was not really good I didn’t realize that at the time, but now that I think about it I will never go back to having a turntable with no amplifier or bag or a built-in preamp you were absolutely right Jared those four things that you mentioned are really helpful thank you for those 10 tips.
Great video! I agree with all of them. The only thing I would add is don't loan out your records, don't keep em sealed and keep away from heat.
i'm guilty of stacking vinyl...i finally got some vinyl boxes a month ago and put them away...hopefully they didn't get too damaged.
i've been collecting off and on for about 11 years...i still have a lot to learn about taking care of my vinyl...oh and i gotta get a cleaning kit!!!
I don't think it really matters unless you have a huge stack of them.
But better to avoid it altogether. I saw a record store post online,a photo of a tall stack of records that they said they still had to price. I would NEVER buy from a store that I knew did that to their inventory.
Half MT
It pisses me off when stores do that shit not just records stores either.
I was at an antique store that had a pile of records stacked about 3 feet tall just sitting on the floor. Needless to say I didn't even bother looking through them.
I got a suitcase player and changed the needle and added some old Sony speakers I had in the basement. So far, so good.
ignore the suitcase point, i bought a suitcase style when i first started collecting over 15 years ago and still have it to this day, never damaged any of my records and it works amazing! the only problem is the sound quality, but i just bought some PC speakers off pc world and a male/female adaptor and it was sorted :)
Loved the video, my only complaint is that you would have explained why some of this is bad to do like touching the grooves. My friend just got into record collecting and won’t stop touching the grooves and I’m trying to find a good video to explain to her why it’s bad, she won’t listen to me even though I think it’s basic common sense you’re getting your oils and dirt into them
That's like rubbing on the back of a CD. How do you expect it to keep working if it's diry?
I recommend checking out Record-ology's videos.
The reason why you NEVER touch the grooves is the fact that, no matter how clean you think your hands are, there is always a certain amount of oil from your fingers that transfers to the vinyl. That, in turn, builds up in the grooves and also attracts needle killing dust and grime. Over a period of time that oil, coupled with the dirt and grime build up, will start deteriorating the vinyl and that becomes a lot of the pops and snaps you hear.
I showed my father this video as we are both interested in records and he said that in the 60s he just used to frisbee his records back onto the stacked pile and how he never really cared for or knew how to clean them whatsoever. I'm so surprised that the ones i have from him even play
Even though I know all this already, I still love watching these "fundamentals" videos!
Hi, how would you suggest shipping my record collection and i move overseas? I picked up some shipping boxes a few years back (hold prob 20-30 records) from a record store, but then they would be shipped laying flat on top of each other? Not sure how to go about this once the time comes for the big move. Thanks
Amazing! Just bought my first turntable (LP120) from your recommendation. Opening it soon and can't wait to spin the vinyl!
You’re starting a great new journey!
But that would cost way more.
Jeff - Great advice for someone who can afford a Technics 1200. A used Technics 1200 is still too costly, especially for someone who is just starting out but wish to be a vinyl enthusiast. The LP120 is a great starter TT because it doesn’t break the bank, and has moderately great features and abilities compared to lower level TT.
SwiftenCrafter same
3 hundred dowa!!!!!
I'm guilty of doing about half of these.
I just got my very first record player and this video helps me A LOOOOOT! Thank you so much 🥰
1:11 I will say that I’ve been collecting for around a year and the only reason I got a croaked cruiser was because it was on sale for 40 bucks. I’ve been very careful handling said vinyl but I’ve noticed that some skips have shown up on side A of my beloved Lana Del Rey Born to Die album and could never figure out why. Well now I know. Any good turntables that are good for a budget?
I had a Thomas Pacconi (Crosley internals) record player that totally destroyed my Back In Black album so that bit where you should spend the extra money on a decent turntable is 100% true. Got a TEAC Bluetooth turntable for Christmas and what a difference
I have pretty much the same set-up as this guy; Funny!
A few tips I've learned recently: Get the yellow cleaner he shows in the video vs the sticky rollers and such (The rollers leave behind residue which is hard to remove); A cork plate mat vs felt sounds better and won't attract static; Get plastic sleeves for the whole record vs just the inside slip sleeve, to protect the artwork; Always check a used record before buying for scratches or spills; You can try one of these hockey puck-looking things to put in the middle of your plate, on top of your record, to minimize needle skipping if you have some slightly warped records, and the one I have has a level on it to make sure your table is level -- They actually work pretty well and also absorb some vibration.
Just my opinion, but "vinyl" makes me cringe slightly when people say it because, to me, it hints at how kind-of obnoxiously trendy it sounds; A bit like a valleygirl who talks in netspeak, haha. I just stick to "records" to avoid that stink altogether.
I have one of those cleaners and they work great for thrift store and flea market records. I bought a dish rack and put a towel under it to catch the fluid that runs off as the record is drying. I put the cleaned record into a new inner sleeve (keeping the old one of it's part of the album) ad put the whole thing into a new plastic outer sleeve. I NEVER play a freshly cleaned record until a day or so later just in case the grooves are not completely dry. That saves on the possibility of gumming up my needle. I agree with the cork mat. I have one of those center weights and use it because there is always the possibility of record slippage on the mat ad that helps prevent it. BUT, all of this is wasted effort if the needle isn't changed regularly due to unseen wear. And let's face it, how many people have a stylus magnifier lying around? If you play records a lot , as I do, then changing out the needle every hundred hours or so is not a bad idea for good records and a bit longer if most of your records are worn. THAT'S where the real expense of this hobby comes into play, the quality of the replacement needles, and it puts everybody on the same playing field. Even the "audiophiles" with their mega-thousand dollar systems have to replace the needles as they wear.
I feel like a suitcase player is prolly the best way to start because it's cheap and you won't waste a lot of money if you don't end up liking the hobby
Vinyl eyezz: don’t stack your vinyl!
Me staring at my stack of vinyl: ** BREATHING INTENSIFIES**