The Best Paramotor
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- čas přidán 22. 10. 2021
- The Mantis paramotor is the strongest and most versatile paramotor.
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Video chapters
Intro
Strength - 1:30
Features - 4:04
Models and how our anti-torque guide vanes work - 12:20
Engine comparison (Minari and Vittorazi) 24:20
Nice to see another frame manufacturer taking strength and durability seriously.
Let's go flying!
Wow!
A benchmark of safety and stability. Not to mention, stunning looks.
Exceptional attention to detail.
You just redefined the sport.
No problem attaching it to my hitch. I have a large flat plate welded to a 2in backbone that slides nicely into my hitch receiver.
Wow looks and sounds great! Love all the thought in every aspect of the design!
Great video.Thanks for explaing the reasons behind all the design and fabrication decisions.
Thank you for a new style
Looking forward in getting on from you
Great job. I am a fan. Everything you said makes sense. I worked for the PJs and had a lot of flight time. I owned hang gliders to airplanes. Unfortunate I got a TBI injury. Can’t pass my physical. Thanks for helping my retirement dream a reality.
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That's a beautiful flying machine Bryan. Nice job man
Thanks for helping me figure out what brand im going with. Can't wait to get an airforce!
True Band of Brothers and Sisters. Great job brother.
Really like your work and level of information!
I will definitely be buying from you guys!! Thank you 🙏 I’m excited to get into this.
We'll be here when you're ready.
Price please :) and thank you!
great video mate thank you
Love the fact that you have taken the time to build a robust and aircraft worthy machine. If I had to give you one small piece of advice it would be to make the netting using the 450 pound Kevlar chord under tension. This would add the added protection to your limbs. A quick release harness would also be great.
Great overview! After that explanation, I would feel very safe flying the F1.
Very nice , first honest vid on these machines , subbed and interested in ur frame ...
Looks sturdy! Interesting engineering.
We have a Persian saying that says give the dough to the Baker!! Nice 👍 work sir... 🤩
Your an aircraft and airframe Engineer most probably...
Cool 😎 🤩 built
Simple and we'll though out anti torque system..with excellent tolerances all around.!! Good 👍 ✅ job 👌👍
keep it simple scientific, and functional.. I am surely ordering on unit
Nice!
Looks really good
Cant wait for Tucker Gott to buy one and show it to us.
Nicely engineered unit.
Would love to showcase one to my group.
I just looked over your site, and what you offer. Far be it from me to not support a fellow USAF vet (C-141B Crew Chief). I'm going to be getting into the sport, and your rig with how well it's designed, and the price point made the decision easy. I hope to be contacting you within the next few months.
Great job! American manufacturing is where we need to go.
I love how you have added camping and amenities for the family while we train. I would love to see if this fits me.. Ive been saving and saving but I believe you have got my business once I'm able to buy
Where are you located. Love for you to check it out
@@airforceparamotors3104 I'm in Kentucky I have commented another comment going into detail about myself.. I listed questions for you and would love to hear from you.. I don't have the financial stability to purchase one now but am saving.. I own everything I have but a accident placing my wife on life support and now fully disability has drained our finances. I went back to work 2 months ago and she now receives disability. Hopefully within a year I will be in the market to purchase. I'm not the average tire kicker as we call it here, I'm truly interested and your design, background and trust In it has me interested. Also is there any reviews from any customers? Any videos from them flying it.. and how many units have been sold to the public? Thanks!
@@airforceparamotors3104 I'm in Kentucky I have commented another comment going into detail about myself.. I listed questions for you and would love to hear from you.. I don't have the financial stability to purchase one now but am saving.. I own everything I have but a accident placing my wife on life support and now fully disability has drained our finances. I went back to work 2 months ago and she now receives disability. Hopefully within a year I will be in the market to purchase. I'm not the average tire kicker as we call it here, I'm truly interested and your design, background and trust In it has me interested. Also is there any reviews from any customers? Any videos from them flying it.. and how many units have been sold to the public? Thanks!
@@baylenthedogg3242 sorry I didn't get a chance to reply yet to the other comment yet. Yes. There are many engine options available. That's the nice thing about a stacked plate design as it really doesn't need modification to retrofit options.
Not sure if you do the Facebook thing but check out AirForce Paramotors, LLC for some flying vids more info. Was going to try and attach a few pictures of reviews but this platform doesn't allow it so it would be easier to Switch to a different messenger type app for better point to point conversation.
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@@airforceparamotors3104 will do sir!
I want one!
Przy tak blisko ramy ( pleców) usytuowanych silnikach czy nie ma problemów z chłodzeniem silników?
Has anyone tried to make an airfoil cowl around the prop frame? Kind of like ducted fan but not as long?
I like the one is hanging on the ceiling
I love my minari 180
First time watcher and retired usaf. I was 2f071. I live check to check now and I would like to get into the sport. How much do you charge for your units?
Tucker got needs one of these he flys all the time.
Especially for something like the Icarus race so he can store gear underneath and it's virtually indestructible.
Is there have a variable pitch propeller to paramotor?
I like the fact that it appears there are no crappy welds, tubing or fasteners. I would wonder how the rivets do over time compared to a bolt and a locknut with wire through the tip of the bolt for added security.
Great American Engineering, I had been looking at the flat top since there is good engineering on the “crumple zone” to protect the back. I’ll have to investigate this more.
I use to counter sink and wet epoxy install the screws permanent. Now with the rivets in the frame those are also wet set and wont-work their way loose. Hardware requires a maintenance check every so often and I was trying to alleviate that. This is all permanent once installed So there's nothing to really think about or check for routine maintenance. The gear legs and the hoop supports are easily drilled out and replaced in minutes but there is very little lateral twisting and forces on the frame to cause any hardware or rivets to loosen up over time. And yes, this unit has true real effective rear fall protection and an actual working crumple zone In extreme crashes. But most importantly it doesn't interfere with you running yet it's low enough so if you come in leaning too far back the frame will hit and pop you back up in a standing position without you falling back and turtling over.
How does this compare with the Flat-Top?
Strength and maintenance is always a key factor when purchasing a paramotor. When I look at all the guys I fly with the average age is 60+ and I'm 71 in my 22 year of flying. Light weight is the first thing we look at because we are not getting any younger and don't want to give up foot launch. I'd like to see a design with light weight as paramount and an all up weight of 50lbs. I currently fly a Nitro 200 and looking for a replacement.
The one thing that's very hard in this business is most manufacturers aren't straight up with the weight of their unit. People look at a manufacturer's claimed weight and take that as gospel. A highly overlooked aspect is not only weight but perceived weight. You could have a unit that weighs 5 pounds less but sticks out further on your back making it feel 8 pounds heavier. So total weight and how a unit carries the weight is a combination that you need to look for. I just had a pilot come out from Michigan who flies a Parrajet and I asked him if mine Is felt a lot heavier (the Minari is a fee lbs heavier to boot). He said he would have only guessed a few pounds at best but he liked how rigid it felt to the body the way I have dedicated harness tabs keeping the harness tight to the frame. Of course there are some people that will need an extremely light unit and there are others on the market that fit that. However they much flimsier. What I can say is having the frame dropped down for fall protection that also protects the older people if you come in hard is awesome. When your knees start to bend the frame hits the ground and immediately takes the weight off your body. Right now too many people just get caught up on claimed empty weight when they make decisions. In its category however with fewer parts count so far my machine is one of the lightest but it's also how you configure it as with any other frame as well. If you look at most bare frames there can really only be a few pounds difference worth of material. After the frame it's all how you can figure it. The weight of the throttle, size and type of harness, size of fuel tank carabiners or not even a prop can differ almost a pound It would be easy for me to drop several pounds off my machine just by showing it with a different harness in the smallest size and swap out prop and a few components to the flimsy stuff that everybody constantly complains about.
Just remember frame weight typically differs by only a few pounds. 80% of the additional weight is all based on configuration.
Where are you located I’d like to come and take a look in person
As an artist, I'm always looking at the aesthetics of an object. When I first saw your machines, I first thought that the fairings (toilet paper tubes) were foam sleeves used for shipping. Now that I know what they are and their use, I still think they look out of place. I would experiment with black or silver ones if that can be done and also, rather than having them squared off at either end, try curving them. Other than that, great-looking machines. Good job!
I appreciate your comment. Anything can be painted if desired. These are extruded ultralight strut fairings cut down and only come in one pre-made color. Everyone will have a color preference, but right now almost all machines kind of look the same to me. The pictures don't do it justice, but in person the white stands out quite nicely and aids added visibility in flight for mid air collision avoidance. There have been many near misses and collisions. I hear all the time, man I couldn't even see you. When I fly with units that are all blacked out I almost can't even see the paramotor against the terrain.
Safety above all else for me is primary.
There is a pretty distinct purpose in everything I do. Of course sometimes there is a sacrifice. If you watch the video you can see how I hit them with no damage. I could easily make endcaps for them but there is no noticeable drag difference and these simply are almost bulletproof left alone. People complain about the cost of paramotors and if I spend a lot of time manufacturing perfect composite fairings (easily done) that's going to add alot more to the cost. My concept is to get The flight dynamicsIs as well if not better than the most expensive better built machines on the market but thousands less as one of the most competitively priced. My frame actually flew fine without these so these are an added cost free upgrade because they don't cost me much to add for the benefit they provide. What about the units that don't have these as standard but could really benefit from them only to have the customers add 12 to 15 ugly looking lamelles bouncing around on their netting not evenly mounted because of the netting spacing. As an artist, which is the lesser of 2 evils.Compromises must be made in every design. With my unit you can trip, fall and stack them on top of each other and it just ends up looking the same 2 years later because there's nothing to scratch or coatings to flake off. Most of the pretty units that I see at the field have coatings missing, the cages bent and aren't even round anymore as they are easily bent. To me all that is esthetically very unpleasing.
Part of my manufacturing goal is to also create a great flying aircraft with as few proprietary parts as possible so in case you want to maintain it yourself or by other parts direct you won't have to worry about my proprietary fittings that really add in no benefit other than minor esthetics but greatly increase cost. Creating a nice little composite faring will also mean those will crack and break when hit. I am pretty much marketing this as one of the strongest and best geometry paramotors out there that can take a hit no matter what you throw at it. It's a rugged Jeep, not a Ferrari
Feel free to paint vinyl wrap or do whatever you like to personalize it. but the virgin extruded tubing will show its color and never deteriorate. So while it might not be your ideal look it'll always look great. I also like how things tie in together. In person the white really plays off the white stitching on the seat and side pouches really nice so you get a little color that's neutral. Every machine to me right now is the same old sam old black this blue anodized that. I want something that's a little bit unique but at the same time allows people to customize a bit on their own (put stickers and logos on them). The minute I put end caps on these will make them more rigid and prone to breakage if their hit or bumped hard. There's no benefit to that structurally.
When you manufacture a product you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Do you want this to be another $8000 to 9k unit on the market. Or, would you rather keep the cost low so you can add the trike attachment to it or even buy a travel trailer or even almost completely cover the cost of your wing/training. To me the savings is a no brainer.
When I did my marketing I found there's 2 groups. There's the ones who look at the pretty ads and are captivated by all the acronyms and sales pitches and bling (newer group). Then there's the pilots at the field who at the end of the day say they wished they had a machine that worked and didn't fall apart or have so many issues. Once my machine gets a little more known as about the most reliable workhorse you can get I think you'll see that a little bling sacrifice is well worth what you get in place of that. At the end of the day my machine was based on feedback from experienced pilots based on what they wished they had versus something eye catching to get the new inexperienced pilots to look their unit instead of another. There's enough focusing on that versus the structure and the flight dynamics. I'm after a different target group. Most of these units today are recycled copies of each other slightly different shape with same basic structure regurgitated. The artistry in my design is finding something that works outstanding without having to waste time and manufacturing and pass that cost onto you. It actually almost would have been easier for me to design something rather than hunting existing suppliers and weeding out different types of extrusions or things that worked the way I wanted off the shelf.
So far most people in person actually said they really liked the way the white stands out, it looks completely different than in the pictures. The aluminum can be polished and look shiny and beautiful.
Sorry for the long reply, it's not all directed at your comment but all those who read it and are curious way I went the direction I did on some items. At the end of the day, you'd have to pay for what you want disproportionately to the benefits that you get.
There is elegance in simplicity.
Check our Facebook page. I recently did a post to show how you can customize a look. We will now be sending these out with a new trim package so they don't look as plain. Now most like the idea that they can create a unique look.
I’m a new pilot and literally just bought a new rig! Do you help people like myself, sell their old rigs in order to get one of yours? I would love one of yours that would last me forever….
Could you give the price range ?
Great to see all the durability, engineering, and innovation here. Nice frame, will there an option for a larger than 3 gallon tank?
An auxiliary tank can easily be added. A benefit to a flat plate style frame is you can easily retrofit or modify as desired. Honestly, right now I don't know any pilots who fly for over 2 1/2 hrs in one sitting especially due to thermal activity. The 3 gal fits the frame perfectly and suits most. If I offer a longer range option in the future it will most likely just be pony tanks that feed the main tanks as they will rarely be used but on a few specific endurance flights.
There will be an electric version before long
@@airforceparamotors3104 That's a good point, 3 gallons is probably enough for most people unless you're going on some crazy icarus race or something. Thanks for the response, excited to see the electric version.
On a different note: have you had anyone do a review of the mantis f1? I know it's all pretty new but your website and videos are all I've found on the f1 so far. I'd love to see others test it out and give some thoughts.
Question about where the spars attach to the hoop, don’t you have problems with lines getting hung up on the little protrusions that stick out on the hoop where the spars are attached? Usually the hoop is smooth so there will be no issues with lines catching while launching.
Overall seem like a really nice design, and I like the plain metal look. If those protrusions were not on the hoop I would say this is a perfect design
Several people have made comments about the hoop connections. They do not contact the lines. The angles were specifically chosen and analyzed. The lines pull more outward and clear the connections. At a glance the appear to stick out further than they do. They actually angle back pretty far towards the rear. Tried attaching a pic to show the clearance. I know a few other manufacturers have a few snag points so this is somethingI was careful to consider. This has none. I accounted very carefully for every angle. Everything on my design has a distinct purpose and very specific design consideration. If they were of any issue I could just remove the rear nylon saddle for a smaller beveled washer but I like how these support the tubing without creating any issue. I have a different low profile fastener on my production models for an even cleaner look.
It would be nice if you designed a bolt on trike for your unit. I don't like foot launch in wind under 6mph. But love it when I can reverse launch. Also have you looked into the Cours-air black bull for us beefier folks, or higher altitude trike pilots?
I do have a trike attachment in the works. Integrates nicely with the unit without looking like a bolt on afterthought like most on the market. My Mantis is intended to be a one design. One unit is all you will ever need. Beginner through acro, fixed or active hang point, provisions for air camping, electric or gas and swap betweenthe two effortlessly, lightweight trike attachment so you can fly without changing wings. One unit one wing.
Send me a message and I'll shoot you a few pics of the trike. (I think it's actually in the vid for a second)
Been watching videos for years. Never found a manufacturer completely make me feel comfortable.. you my friend have! Question, I am 300lbs 6 foot 2inches.. am I able to safely fly this machine? What are your maximum weights for pilots? I understand that the wing is the important part regarding my weight and not necessarily the motor, but with a properly chosen wing for me..what engine would you recommend for me? I'm leaning to Polini 250 or the new Vitirazzi 300 cosmos. Would you be able to mount those engines and if you think another engine is more suitable could you mount that engine to this frame? Sorry for all the questions but you really have me interested sir. I live in south central Kentucky and I'm 3hrs from any school or group so I've never seen a paramotor in person and can only make assumptions because I've never experienced it and most don't have answers to people my weight. Any insight would be great, thanks for the informative video and I absolutely love your willingness to slam that bad boy with a Bruce Lee kick.. knowing it wouldn't ever damage your amazing machine! Love it! Blessings to you and yours, from me and mine!
So far the biggest guy was 250. It all depends on your athletic ability and wing. Love for you to check one out and see the fit.
Cool thing about a stacked plate frame design is you can mount just about anything without modification. The starter cutouts may not work for some engines but that's not a big deal. I would just need to look at the mounting diagram. Sorry for delayed response. Feel free to call and discuss options.
Does minari have similar exhaust problems as the moster? Great video thanks.
We haven't had any issues. The few I have seen were maintenance related on the 200. I haven't seen any on the 180 yet. I'm sure there have been but not near as many as others (just about every manufacturer has had a few). However, Minari just recently stacked the silencer on top of the exhaust manifold. This leads to less inertia vibration and less likely to stress the components. Another reason I love their compact mounting They are constantly improving their product
What I do know is a high number of exhaust cracks on any manufacturer is more often related to maintenance issues. I rarely see people recheck the balance on their props. Even small nicks can create high frequency vibrations. People foot drag the paramotor and kick up rocks. Propwash will suck up grass or different things and create imperfections on the propellers. They should be checked for balance every so often. Aircraft parts are typically designed to be as light as possible and materials need to be as thin as possible while still being strong. On a dirt bike you can use an extremely thick exhaust because weight doesn't matter. On a paramotor things are as thin as possible to save weight. You need to maintain and make sure your engine is as vibration free as possible (tuning balance) so you lessen the chance to get exhaust or frame cracks. Many people just blame the manufacturer but it's not always the case. And of course sometimes it is the product itself. In the case of Vittorazi they tried a unique one piece exhaust system which was a good attempt but it just turned out not to work so well. My only issue is they did blame the customers for far too long. One thing that people don't think about is the importance of the geometry with the engine mount system as whole. Minari has much wider engine mount spacing and a much tighter exhaust stack, therefore there's a lot less movement with the engine while it's running. Engines with really close engine mounts and mounted at a 45 angle you can see how the exhaust is stretched out much further. When the engine is running rough (idle) there's a lot of movement on the whole system flexing back-and-forth. This adds the probability of more issues. MInari is very keen on the effects of disturbed air flow into propellers causing pulse vibrations with with uneven prop thrust which is why they pulled the exhaust almost completely out of the propeller plane. They have done everything possible to lessen the chance of movement with their engines and have a very precision feel and extremely linear throttle response.
I never thought I would see the day when the Air Force would fly paramotors.
Weght ?
I've been looking at the flattop but this one is nice how much
$6450 with Minari f1 pro
Man... you didnt even post a link.
Does the F1 PRO come with a 2 or 3 blade prop ? Is dual start an option with the F1 PRO ? Is the Minari clutched ?
Comes with 2 blade 130cm, the F1-Pro is clutched. Dual start is an option
I WANT ONE BUT I WANT A DOUBLE HOOP THAT COMES OUT PAST THE PROP !
That's definitely a personal choice. I did consider having an optional 2nd ring that can be added (very easy to make). However, it is really not necessary. If a wing takes a collapse on inflation the lines will fold into the prop almost as easy weather it's single or double hoop (took a few vids and watched in slow mo)...while of course it could help slightly in a few scenarios its just not worth the extra weight. The hoop is super strong and other than trainees we don't see many pilots eating wings due to a single hoop cage. I too liked a double hoop idea but found it completely unnecessary and more of a gimmick. I still might make it an option especially if doing more of a trike option in the future.
So far, most of the time especially on a clutched engine if a prop grabs lines it doesn't do any damage. I think I've only seen one guy that damaged a line on a single hoop machine. And it was only the outer sheathing that got damaged not the core.
Most people on inflation are slightly leaning forward pointing the prop towards the wing some and lines can fall into the prop no matter how many hoops. What I find is it sounds like a good idea to newcomers looking into gear but most experienced pilot's don't even think about a double vs single. Only if the hoop can handle a powered forward or not (ours can) our prop doesn't stick as far out as most do either from the hoop. About 1 1/2 in from hoop.
What is the largest prop you can safely run on this frame?
We sell our units with the 130 cm but you can go up to a 140.
ONE DON'T HIT YOUR FRAME LOL
Could you fit a quick-release harness to this, in case
you ever had to ditch in water ??
A quick release buckle system could be added. I personally don't care for a single point attach system while hanging from the harness. On paper it sounds great and definitely a great safety possibility in that situation. However, you should always wear proper flotation when far over water. I have see many people miss clicking a strap in all the way. Having several adds redundancy. Do something wrong on a quick release system or have something catch the mechanism could be very bad. Sometimes one safety feature compromises another. Since we are over land more than water redundancy is my first choice. Also that's why I chose round tubing for most of the frame. All ends are capped and the tubing traps air. With positive flotation you will have more time to get out of the harness. We still recommend always wear a backup flotation device over water regardless.
@@airforceparamotors3104 good point still many people debating flotation devises good or bad the judge is still out
@@garytownsend113 Correct on that. I have floated the paramotor by itself. The last thing I need to do is be in it and jump in the pool and see how it floats me. It is just barely buoyant so hopefully my body will be able to be upright. I will do some more testing and at that point may either recommend or actually not recommend additional flotation when flying over water. But I do know the frame won't sink you to the bottom.
@@airforceparamotors3104 For over 55 years every fighter pilot has had a one-point quick release harness. if you are over 8 feet of water with your standard six-buckle system you will drown. the floating devices on units keep you floating long enough to get out. the judges are NOT!! out on floating at all standard six buckles crash at 20 mph, unit flips over and sink at the rate of 4 feet per second. in the ocean? you now have 5.8 seconds to get out, but you thought flotation was not good but now when you have the last buckle undone, your 68 feet down tangled in your wing??? yeah, some designer you are. first thing, it can always be made better. many people make lousy choices too, many people drive cars every day, but a shit load of you fool could not parallel park if your life depended on it?? same with water crashes?? ..NONE OF YOUR SO-TEACHERS NEVER TAUGHT YOU ABOUT THEM?/ NOW DID THEY? second just because you bend some tubing add netting and a store-bought engine?? does not make you a designer of aircraft! you don't hang by the harness you sit in the seat, and the harness keeps you in the seat??
@@brucesweatman2146 holy crap. Why the attitude. First, I am an actual aircraft structures specialist and I am doing my best to design a safer paramotor. I have more safety and redundancy than just about any unit currently on the market. Of course things can always be made different and better. People will also differ or what is the best option.
I will explain my reasoning you bashed me on.
First, I am a structures specialist not a qualified harness/seamstress designer so I choose to use a proven harness from a reputable manufacturer. I do not feel I am qualified to design my own harness as I don't have the tooling and resources to produce and test properly. I will not modify another manufacturer's system for liability reasons as that is common sense not to mess with another manufacturer's certified setup.
I agree that people will make bad choices and fly over water without flotation and I currently don't have a quick released system. I tried to at least incorporate additional safety. By using round tubing riveted to the main frame (rivets are self sealing to a point) and plugging my tubing ends. My frame traps air and is positively buoyant (almost 35 ln ft of tubing with trapped air). It's not overly buoyant and a pilot should be able to right himself in any position (further water testing soon). So yes, I did try and think of everything that I could. Flotation was a primary goal. However, you are dead wrong as pilots are suspended during takeoff (not all slip right into seat) and climb over 100 ft before getting into the seat hanging from the leg straps in the meantime. Also sliding out and hanging by leg straps for landing while leaning forward supported by the chest strap. So far you have missed the basic functionality of the harness yet critique me thinking you only sit in it.
I have personally witnessed several people not buckle one leg and were grateful for a multi connection system. I have also seen one pilot on a quick release system accidentally bump or not fully latch his single point connection and thankfully caught this before taking off (happened twice and that pilot switched to an Apco super light (multi point connection) because the singe point scared the crap out of him. Each person will have their own views/concerns both valid. In any design a designer must sometimes make a choice. I feel that many more pilots fly over land and due to multiple close calls I chose a harness with secondary safety built in. But, rather than leave the other group left out I tried to at least design specifically with positive buoyancy using hollow tube vs pretty machined (flimsy) attach arms for safety in more than one aspect.
Not sure how I offended you. I have no problem with people bringing up different points of view but no need to insult. You have no clue on my background and what it takes to do your best to come up with a solid design.
Everything about your comments were off. Of course we use a readily available engine. We are not engine manufacturers. Neither is Boeing/Cesena/Lockheed...Do they not mainly design the structure and then use Lycoming/Pratt/GE engines as well as most other components outsourced to companies that specialize in components such as seat belts and other safety devices. They do not manufacturer these in house. That doesn't make them any less of a qualified airframe manufacturer.
Not saying there can't be any improvement in my design. As I stated I am not a qualified harness manufacturer or cannot/won't modify another manufacturer's tested/certified products for liability reasons. I challenge you to at least see if another paramotor manufacture has put as much effort to cover as many safety concerns as I have. You think it's just bending a bit of tubing and that is all. Try not to bash what you have not yet accomplished. Safety has been my number one priority.
Go pick on another manufacturer that doesn't even use correct hardware or proper grade materials to use in their basic structure. Or, please design and certify a harness with a quick release for me and I may be happy to incorporate. No need for attitude.
Can you do a demo of it in the water?
Will do once tt warms up a bit. I want to have it strapped to me that way I can see how easy it is to keep it upright.
Where are you located , I would pick up my unit, hear and see it run, etc,
Surprise, Arizona
Are you considering an e-motor once the battery issue is fixed?
Actually about to order an electric motor that I selected to try out to get our Mantis EP going. Not sure on timeline but hopefully next year I'll release the electric version. Batteries are only getting better. But right now up to 1hr flight time is totally acceptable. I see so many negative comments about flight times only to see the average flight times at the field just sporting around is typically 20 to 45 min. Some flights hitting just over an hour. I plan on making modular so you can easily swap to the engine package you like. People get caught up on a fantasy of 2 to 3 plus hrs as a standard flight duration. Of course there will always be a long cross country here and there but most people I see commenting negativity on the flight times rarely even hit 1 one hr themselves (some do of course but not most). Thermals pick up soon after sunrise limiting smooth air. 1 hr conservative or 45 min aggressive is a very respectable time with a new technology. They said cars wouldn't have sufficient range, now look. Really cool battery tech coming soon and we want to be at the forefront and ahead on the game. But battery tech now isn't horrible. Great for schools.
@@airforceparamotors3104 It's surely happening, the big switch to e-paramotoring, also I believe that with the better and more aerodynamic design of the propulsion module there will be a qualitative improvement in gliding and covering larger distances thereby getting the best out of both worlds.
How is the torque compensation?
One of the best out there. My primary focus was on flight geometry negating torque as much as possible.
Check out our Facebook page and see how people commented on its strength and flight dynamics.
This is an amazing price 6450 will you keep the unit at this price or will the price go up to Like 8 k like others
Will always try and be as competitive as possible. Prices always may have to adjust as suppliers increase but will do my best to keep sub 7 of possible.
Looks like a good product. If only I had a vehicle big enough to plonk it in the back. Until then I'll just have to embrace the rattle.
Thanks. Yes, there will always be some that need a unit that breaks down and we could easily make a unit that does (while still being stronger than most). I figured there are really 2 markets (foldable vs not). I just see so many people caught up on sales pitch features they don't need that weaken the design because it sounds great in paper. If you need a unit that brakes down that's awesome, but most don't and manufacturers tend not to go to a one piece unit as shipping becomes the major hurdle. So convince people they need portability and you don't need to ship in large crates. Nobody tells people how much strength they are giving up. I want to cater to the majority that doesn't realize what they are missing.
Thanks for the comment.
@@airforceparamotors3104 well once I get a larger vehicle or a trailer :p
Until then, I hope they sell like hotcakes!
What price is this paramotor 217lbs
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Cost for a frame only?
Trying to keep costs as low as possible. All suppliers are raising costs. Trying to keep around $6,450 for paramotor RTF for now and $2,450 frame only w/12 liter tank..
Does the minari have the same exhaust bushing trouble as the moster? I road 3 wheelers for years and never had cracked exhausts or even knew there was a bushing that would dissolve over time. Thanks for another great video
@@hilo4noff1 The Minari does not use an exhaust bushing. It is a slip fit that gets lubricated about every 20 hrs. No ring to dissolve. Loving the Minari
U gonna make a trike
Yes, trike attachment in the works. Mockup concept pics on our Facebook page. Trike integrates with the frame and doesn't look like an afterthought like most on the market. Will be extremely lightweight with removable composite rear axles. Keeping it light you can use your same wing for foot launch. This will be the most versatile paramotor on the market. Active and fixed hang points, under tank storage for paracamping, electric option (soon)..trike attachment (soon). One paramotor and one wing is all you will ever need. Check out the Facebook page for more info
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All these Motors out there..are basically the same...Comes down to PRICE..WARRANTY..SERVICE..PARTS...
The most common 80cc paramotor is the top 80. The most reliable and cheapest dollar per hour flight time you can get in any paramotor, hands down. That's why it's been in service for 30 plus years and still being produced today. Cheap imitations or in this case more expensive imitations can only disappoint . You should opt for a less expensive, more reliable unit !!
So far the Atom 80 has been giving us reliable service. No doubt the top 80 is a great motor as well. There will always be other motors or configurations people prefer. Right now I am a dealer for 2 engine manufacturers that compliment my unit the best while providing a few variations as well.
Haha there goes that Air Force secret 🙈
🤣 RAT 55 you can look up. There are things not listed that it does. It's one ugly plane but a fun R&D projects to have the opportunity to work on side by side with Skunkworks. Helped design and install the nose section side attach fairings and attach points as well as modify the nose structure.
Very robust product. This can be bashed somehow. Breaking it down when travelling in airlines may be important so thats why there are other models that have this feature. Too bad the sport is so small that these cant be mass produced by robots for lower costs .
I like everything you presented. But you sound like you are rushing the info. Maybe your excited. That's great. But ya sound out of breath. I want it explained slowly and thoroughly. It doesn't sound like your shoving it down ming mind . Not trying to diss ya . Just saying. Presentation is everything. You obviously put so much it to this. Awesome machine. Great job! Not the lightest. Who cares. I still use a DK brick when I'm not using simonini 122. To heavy get a bigger wing or trike. Lol
Videos aren't my thing. Yes, I do get excited when explaining the unit. I try not to talk fast but try and cover a lot of info. Eventually I will do shorter videos broken down into sections (paramotor design, materials, fuels and oils, etc). This still ran into 38 min just trying to cover everything non scripted. We can't always be great at everything and videos aren't my thing as a I am actually pretty shy and slightly dyslexic and screw up my sentences sometimes and this makes me nervous on camera. Right now I just wanted to post the "intent" of my design and some of the features.
However, I would argue that although not the lightest when compared to machines built out of thin wall type 2 titanium (non aircraft quality should not be used for primarily structure) that can't handle a forward launch or a simple butt landing (different category paramotor where only weightis really considered) . Mine is one of the lightest in its category and only a few lbs heavier than the titanium machines. Most manufacturers don't post true flyable weight with all accessories like I do. 58.9 with Moster 185 is an extremely competitive weight with Dudek comfort harness, steel carabiners with all straps, Steel/aluminum throttle and electronic engine gauges. Most machines that claim 55 are usually low to mid 60s...With fewer parts I was able to beef up the structure without taking a weight penalty with clips, springs and inserts that machines that break down do and weaken the structure. I could easily swap a few items and actually hit around the 55 lb claimed weight many advertise and be truly flyable. Notice none weight 56, 57 or 58 lbs. Oddly every paramotor weights 55Lbs. Hard to compete in this market when you try and be honest.
Eventually I'll get some nice production videos going. My priority is building a strong, safe and reliable machine. Information is posted for those that choose to listen to my rambling and take what they can from an aircraft structures specialist point of view and not a media personality.
A strong design? PLEASE!! none of this frame would survive a prop strike on any of its framing. Pick up one of your units fully fueled ready to fly. Hold it at chest level, now extend it out arm's length. Now drop it, see if it is really ready for a flight? if your frame can not survive this test? it Is not the best paramotor cage frame around?
Mr Bruce. Why the anger. My frame has been used at 2 flight schools and been through many students who have stalled out early on landing vertically impacting the frame, jumped too early into their seats and done many face plants and nobody bent the unit that would have damaged most others. And we're not talking about once or twice we're talking about student after student after student on the same machine without damaging it. It's the overall strength of my machine. Could there be another unit with a better crash bar on the bottom, of course. But then usually the hoop/spars/connection or other area's are weaker. There is really no arguing that my hoop is (one) of the strongest out there because it's all rigidly mounted with no flex points and I don't use thin wall tubing. That's just basic engineering common sense. My hoop is only in 2 sections not 4 like most assembled like A-tent pole held with velcro or spring clips. You don't have to like my design but I just see no reason why you're jumping on and making assumptions you know nothing about. Talk to any pilot that has actually flown or seen one up close. Oddly my machine is the one that keeps flying without the prop strikes or bent frames at the field requiring hundreds of dollars in repairs. Is it indestructible? Of course not.
Maybe you're simply offended by the title of my video so let me explain that in case that's your trigger.
I'm a new manufacturer and simply wanted to get my frame noticed. I chose a title similar to what people would type in while looking for a good, safe and strong paramotor. Of course my paramotor will not be the best for everybody as everybody has certain features or things they like in other designs. But, all around for its reliability strength and flight dynamics it is going to be hard to beat whether you like that or not as It has been tested for quite a while and stacked up favorably against the top paramotors out there (check out the reviews on my Facebook page). Now, factor in the price and ease of repairs should it take damage. That is all part of the ownership experience. My single hoop setup believe it or not is actually stronger than most double hoops. Come check it out. Very sorry that I'm proud of my product and (intent) to give you a solid product.
Now Bruce, I will explain what a prop strike is since you said the frame would not handle the propeller striking it. It's actually the other way around. The propeller does not strike the frame for no reason. Prop strikes happen when flimsy frames flex into the prop therefore causing the contact. Of course my frame cannot handle a prop spinning at 7000 RPM hitting it. Never said it could. My frame/cage however is very unlikely to flex into the propeller and will allow a full power powered inflation that most of units would have a cage flex right into the propeller causing the prop strike. Or the lower cage flexing into the propeller from a gear strike on most units. Most hoops are non structural. Mine is and can carry load. I can fully suspend my paramotor from the weakest spot on the hoop (the top where the 2 pieces come together) it can suspend from a hook fully loaded with fuel.. When you understand the fundamentals of the physics involved then feel free to comment.