Ariadne: The Woman who Truly Defeated the Minotaur
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I am just a random student on the internet who loves reading, especially about ancient history and classics. The purpose of my videos is to make classics and ancient history interesting and accessible to everyone. I am not a professional or qualified educator, “expert”, historian or classicist. However, I ensure that all the information I use in my video scripts has been collated from numerous credible sources. Additionally, I am dyslexic, and I will mispronounce words. This does not stem from willful ignorance, and I do make an effort to research how to pronounce words before I start filming, but I often misread my phonetic spelling. In light of this, please do not rely on my video for an authoritative or reliable source of how to pronounce certain words.
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
4:40 Who was Ariadne?
10:33 Abandoned Ariadne
12:58 Dionysus and Ariadne
14:33 The Dark Side of Ariadne's Story
17:18 Ariadne before Theseus - Earliest Examples of her story
Resources:
Higgins, Charlotte. Red Thread. Vintage, 2020.
Homer & Robert Fagles & Bernard Knox. The Iliad. Penguin Classics, 1998.
Hornblower, Simon & Spawforth, Antony & Eidinow, Esther. The Oxford Classical Dictionary. Oxford University Press, 2012.
Ovid & Isbell, Harold & Isbell, Harold & Isbell, Harold. Heroides . Penguin Classics, 1990.
Ovid & Raeburn, David & Feeney, Denis. Metamorphoses . Penguin Classics, 2004.
Webster, T. B. L. “The Myth of Ariadne from Homer to Catullus.” Greece & Rome 13, no. 1 (1966): 22-31. www.jstor.org/stable/642350.
No need to apologize for your dog. Actually there is. You should apologize for not including him in all your videos. Dogs are awesome.
Yaaaassss!
Agreed! I love to see the puppers remind us that they're really the stars of the internets.
Its 2am and I'm outside >.>
Just hoping there are no inbound barks coming to wake my neighbors dogs...
I taught a summer camp course on myths & monsters to middle school students. Even these young kids thought Theseus was a douche.
Let’s not forget Theseus thought he could just stroll into Hades and marry Persephone. Idiot should have at least tried while she was topside during summer.
Great video as always.
Given how many times a random woman gives up everything to help him, he probably assumed Persephone would come willingly. After this story and its versions, I am savoring the Oh F*ck he must have felt frozen forever in the underworld. Not even Heracles could get him out. (In my favorite versions, of course.)
@@kittybunusual5514 I’m sure that was the best torture for an action junkie like Theseus.
I am LIVING for your natural look!
Thank you, as always, for top tier content and your ever inspiring library ❤
Thank you so much!
This one really took me back, I remember being a kid, probably pre-school, I was reading an astronomy book with constellation maps and all, saw Corona Borealis, there was a small footnote about it representing Ariadne's Crown and 6yo me went " SUCH A BEAUTIFUL NAME, I WANNA KNOW THIS PERSON'S STORY", so I asked 💫the internet 💫 and was very mad after reading the darker version of the myth I was presented with. I mean no surprise, I was wholeheartedly rooting for her before I knew who she was; but even objectively, she deserved all the best and got all the worst.
I absolutley obsess over every Video Essay you make about women figures in myth and history. I really relate to the feminine struggle and strengh and your take on it. I studied history of Art and we only ever talked about the male parts.
Please be safe and healthy.❤
I don't see how she "truly defeated the minotaur". Theseus did the heavy lifting by venturing into the labyrinth and fighting with him, while she got sure he got out and helped him otherwise. So this seems more like a team effort.
Idk I see myself as a feminist but then can't help but sees this as being feminism to knock men down to increase the pedestal of women.
Well, at least Ariadne got Diyonisus and became a goddess. Nonstop wine parties for the rest of eternity, right? LOL.
Not to mention, Inception names Eliot Page's character Ariadne because Inception-Ariadne creates all the mazes.
So she was never forgotten I guess.
Ghosting was already a thing in Mythologic Greece😅. Great video Lady!! Every video better than the one before😉
Wow, thank you!
Hi Cinzia! I really like the new set-up. So, I feel a little foolish. It seems I’ve read and heard the myth of Theseus and the Minotaur many, many times. However, this is the first time that I’ve heard, after receiving Ariadne’s crucial help in navigating the Labyrinth to slay the creature and free the Athenian captives, that he later abandons her on some island after fleeing Crete together.
Obviously, the retelling of the myth I’ve been exposed to is conveniently edited to give the sense of a happily ever after ending. Wow! I’m a little ticked off by that, but also grateful that you shared the grimmer “rest of the story.”
Well, I guess is Ariadne ends up with Dionysus, alls well that ends well . . . but Theseus ending up with Ariadne’s sister after that, well it’s no bueno.
I’ve been lucky enough to go to Crete and visit the ruins of Knossos. I’ve always loved the twisted myths connected with the infamous King Minos and his retinue. However, I did not know Minos and Ariadne were related to either Circe and Medea! I’m always fascinated by the Circe story, but Medea is just too darn tragic . . . even for Greek myths.
If you haven’t yet, could you one day cover my favorite mythological hero, Atalanta!!! I love her whole story, especially the NICE ending where she and Hippomenes (a guy with brains who gets the cool girl) are turned into Lions to enjoy each other and the hunt. Makes perfect sense, the Lion can lay about and think while the Lioness runs about and hunts!!!
Fun cultural trivia, in Italian "piantata in Nasso" (literally "dropped in Naxos") is an expression used to mean "left in a compromising situation without any explanation as to why", obviously taking after this myth.
Of course, most people don't know of the existence of the myth and it's extremely common to mispronounce it a "piantata in asso" ("dropped in ace") instead, which makes no sense but, you know, people are dumb.
Artemis killing her is most likely an allusion to her dying during childbirth. Artemis would’ve had domain over childbirth and Walter Otto mentions that are some sources that say she was killed in childbirth by Dionysos’ command.
"I'm a single child, for a start." You are an unalloyed delight. Lookin' glam, too.
I had classical history in high school, studying both Greek and Latin, and I never knew this about Ariadne. Thank you for explaining her (varied) stories! Can you make a video about Arachne in the future? I'm really looking forward to Medea, she was so mistreated and I always thought her near constant indignance was pretty much justified. Eager to hear about her from your viewpoint.
I will do!!
I thought of Medea early on before it was mentioned that she was related. Such a powerful character.
Wow, that introduction made me really angry on Ariadne's behalf! Great video, as always. Thank you!
Thank you!
Love the distance, audio, more casual setup, but suggestion to move the monitor that you're reading from closer to the camera so you don't have to look back & forth. Just a suggestion, as I like this too, and your voiceover content.
I wish I could. the way the furniture is set up that’s as close in line as I could set the camera up sadly as bookcases are in the way haha
Thank you so much for this amazing Ariadne video Cinzia!!
No problem 😊
An excellent video!
Something curious about Theseus is that leaving Ariadne aside, there are versions of Phaedra, Hippolyta, Helen, Antiope or Melanippa being kidnapped by him; He seemed to have a tendency to remove young women from their homes.
Surely Ariadna's case was another kidnapping.
I have read about an interpretation of the myth where Ariadne fled with Theseus, even though she was already married to Dionicio and that is why Dionicio would ask Artemis to kill her.
Finally, I have a suspicion that the mysterious Egle could be Helena; both names are associated with light and illumination; Also at this point in his story, perhaps Theseus had kidnapped Helena and left her in the care of his mother before his trip to Crete.
Hail Ariadne! Tonight I am celebrating Her apotheosis
I've always thought Ariadne was an interesting character, so I'm glad you did a video about her! Hope this week goes ok 💜
Vote Theseus for the most "ain't shit" mortal man in mythology here
A great video. I knew none of the Dionysian connections, so that was wonderful to learn.
Dont worry about the length of your videos, or how often you release them. They are always interesting, well made and researched but we will enjoy them whenever they happen. Look after your health first!
I like the new setup.
I knew the broad strokes of the Ariadne myth but not all these variations you discussed. Great topic and video, as always!
Glad you enjoyed it!
As an Ariadne who has only heard of the standard Greek myths, I really appreciate the detail of all this. It was a pleasure to listen to
The audio sounds very smooth, the intro had me hooked on the vid topic, and the vibe is excellent as always.
Great work!
Much appreciated!
Yay!! So excited for this one. I love the vibe of this new setup too, feels like we are just hanging out and talking shit about mythology 🤓
You have no idea how excited I am for this video!!
I'm so glad!
CZcamsr: Sorry for the dog.
Everyone: YESS! STORYTIME WITH THE PUPPER!
Thank you so much for this video, it was wonderful hearing an in depth walkthrough of Ariadne's myths
Also, love your soothing voice and the new filming setup is really aesthetically pleasing 😊
Hope you feel better soon btw! 💙
Please take care of yourself! Also love your puppy cohost. Feel better and see you soon.
I’m currently reading a retelling of Clytemnestra’s story. Given what Theseus does to Helen in that, I’m leaning towards him being the absolute worst.
In that same story, he tried helping his friend kidnap *Persephone* and he got his butt ripped out by Heracles for his troubles
Yes!
What is up with Greek heroes not being people who fit the modern conception of the term?
Also, this filming set up is good.
Why do you apologize for taking care of your health? You are doing all this work for us, so we are the ones who are thankful! You out for free this amazing content! Take good care, and donlt forget to read books 😁
Comment on the new filming setup: You look notably more relaxed. Also, I don't know if it's the hair, the shirt, or what, but I suddenly picture you lounging on a chaise while explaining historical things and geeking out. I mean, who wouldn't want to lounge on a chaise? Though I've often wondered if they really would be relaxing, or if they'd be like a lot more work than you think. Should we start a gofundme to get a chaise for Cinzia? There should be plenty of room on a chaise for the adorable floof-woofer to join you.
Also, I'm grateful for you spelling your name on-screen. I know I'm not spelling right otherwise.
I liked the more casual tone of the video (just started watching and thought I would give positive feedback to the change of tone, even though I didn't have a problem with the more formal set up of the channel)
This was great! Also, yes, 100% prioritise your health
Great video, and please don't apologise for prioritising your health! No point in visiting the Library without our well-read Lady to guide us through, after all
A great video and such an excellent presentation of all the different versions! I was going to come up with a version I could use as storyteller on the museum I work for during Halloween. Big scary monster in underground dungeons fits well. But now I can tell how crappy Theseus really are, and what a jerk he is, leaving Ariadne and getting his father killed. Well, that is really a very tragic end but told right Dionysios intervention can give it a good ending of sort.
I involuntarily clapped when you said you're going to do a video on Medea
It’s good to see you again. ❤
I love that you included Bridget Jones at the end btw! Perfect comparison!
Haha, that was all that was running through my head when I went on that end talk XD
As always love the stories. I like your new setup. And of course the cameo from your dog was also appreciated.
Fabulous video ❤️ As always!
loving this set up!
Now I have made up in my mind my own version with my favourite bit of all the versions you told us and I'm watching it as a series in my imagination. Thank you!
Hi Cinzia! It took me a while to get to your video. Life happened, but I am the one who suggested you do a video on Ariadne. Thanks so much for taking it on! I find this myth fascinating and I really enjoyed your take on it 😊😊 I've been enjoying your videos for a long time and I always learn something new!!
I really like this visual setup!
Great, fascinating video. I love how you find so many variants of the myth.Thanks so much.
Story behind my namesake ❤❤❤ Thank you for getting into depth with it, I appreciate it 😊
Loving your new set up! You look so relaxed and confident!
Loving the relaxed look ❤
I love the setup, it feels very relaxed and comfortable
I really enjoy listening to your stories.thank you
Yesss finally! Poor Ariadna was done so dirty! Also if i may say, your hair looks glorious, Cinzia 😊
Aww thank you!
I like the set up! You look very relaxed.
I am absolutely loving these videos. Thank you so much Cinzia. Hugs from Brazil.
I always enjoy your presentations. This is more relaxed and personal. Thank you for the conversation.
This was a very interesting video😊
Love the new set up and thanks as always for the video!
Thanks for watching!
Amazing watch! It's the name we we have to our daughter so I know her story fairly well but this was really good. You've fleshed out parts of the story I knew and added whole new parts. In particular I wasn't familiar with the early myths.
Merely above is just fine! :) Take care of yourself. And thanks for doing Ariadne, I've always been fascinated by her and all the symbolism she can carry.
Thank you so much for all your hard work. I am loving all of your videos and like the rest of us want more. But your health of course is Paramount and I hope that you're able to have self care and stay well blessings for you and yours always❣️
The intro was so funny, you did the set-up and pay-off just like a stand-up comedian 😂😂 What *can't* you do Cinzia?? Now I will listen to the rest of the story 😌
Thank you for such thorough content. I loved hearing the evolution of myths and mythical characters.
You took the name out of my mouth for a future video...Medea!!!!!!!!
I genuinely adore listening to your retellings/explanations of myth and stories.
Very interesting, thank you.
As much as I love hearing these video essays (your voice is also very soothing btw) definitely take care of yourself first!
Please take care of yourself, I enjoy any content you release and will continue to stay a subscriber. ❤
Such a refreshing look. 🧐
I love the new layout! You look beautiful and goddess like!
Thank you so much!!
Thank you, I do personally prefer shorter videos, like 20-30min, but I'm glad you do anything. 😊
Please dont apologize for your health! Thats most important staying healthy and happy. Love your content and hope you get to feeling better ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
Thanks!
RE: the content changes you mentioned at the end of the videos... honestly, your health and wellbeing has to come first (something I'd say is true for _anyone_ , in the content creation space or anywhere else), so IMO changing things up for the sake of your health is always going to be a positive change overall.
Even laying aside the ethical, moral and personal reasons I have for believing that, I think just on a content quality basis it's always preferable to see a creator really enjoying what they're doing, as opposed to forcing themselves to trudge through the process out of a sense of obligation to "the audience" (which is always a nebulous and very hard to define concept, really; there certainly seems to be a lot of scope for defining an unattainable/unsustainable standard in the uncertainty of it, or at least I know I'd struggle with that!). Deep dives can be fun and informative, sure, but they're _far_ from the only valid, engaging, or entertaining way to explore topics :)
I think if you're keeping yourself well, and enjoying what you're creating, then that will shine through in the content and it's a win-win for everyone, regardless of how often you're able to publish videos. At this point, I reckon I've seen enough of your videos to say with a reasonable degree of confidence that wherever you decide to go with your content, I'll be here for it :)
Of course I'm just one weirdo on the internet spouting my singular opinion, but... for what it's worth, I know I'm not the only person who feels this way about the content creators whose work I enjoy. Parasocial relationships can be tricksy things, but just on a human level I certainly don't want anyone else's health or wellbeing to suffer just for the sake of my entertainment, or some sense of obligation to it.
I guess the tl;dr version is... stay safe, look after yourself, we stan looking after your physical, mental and emotional health (that goes for _anyone_ reading this!), and I hope you're doing better soon 💜
Honestly I'm happy to see a bit of a shorter video. I do love your content, but I also have been very busy with life stuff and there are videos of yours that I keep on my google chrome tab to watch when I can, but can't find the time to watch it all in one sitting (which Is how I would prefer, given the type of content). Idk, you brought interesting versions of the myth with a lot of stuff I didn't knew AND you did that in a time that was better suited to my schedule. Even if you have to split videos to fit the time frame in the future, I think I prefer this.
And, of course, there is your health and safety to worry about. Which is the main thing, of course, I didn't mean otherwise. I guess what I'm trying to say is: Don't worry about shortening the lenght of the video. You have wonderful content and while the change might not please everyone, there certainly are people for whom this is actually better. If this is what hepls you get better, just stay healthy.
Hail Ariadne!
As much as I love your videos, please make your health the priority ❤. Wonderful video. I really appreciate all you do. Take care.
Theseus is the biggest (mortal) asshole of Greek mythology, there's no way I can believe the version where he only left her bc sailing was bad for her health.
After all he did, there's a version of the myth where he tried to kidnap a 13 year old Helen (later of Troy) as an old man! The worst.
Speaking of age, I wonder how old Ariadne is supposed to be? Getting infatuated at first glimpse sounds like a teenager...
the new set-up is perfect, by the way!! i feel like it gives you some room to breathe
Thank you!
The confidence suits you well. Stunning development!
I don't know what this confidence may be but thank you haha
@@CinziaDuBois Oh.. it might just be the new recording setup and camera angle. You seem more in peace with yourself. Keep it up!
The fact that I’m currently reading Ariadne by Jennifer saint make the timing of this video so good
Take care of yourself first and foremost. I adore your content.
Hello there...
While I'm not sure if this is inappropriate to comment on, I find it striking that the last name you've shown on screen is very close to a certain anime character (Victorique de Blois), who spends most of her life reading books, later being more or less confined to a library...
I don't think I have to say that the new format is great and your essays are very interesting yet relaxing. Please take care of yourself. You got me into reading books, which is more than 9 years of our educational system achieved.
Thank you and until next time.
I don’t know why it would be inappropriate haha that’s funny. I mean it’s just my name but that’s hilarious it is like that of an anime character’s. I’ve never heard of them before but I’ll take it as a compliment and check it out.
@@CinziaDuBois The anime is Gosick - in case you didn't want to google it (it's a bit like a holmes story, but anime I've been told). I liked Victorique with her not only having insane knowledge and detective skills, but lacking social skills (being alone for most of her life). I don't know you personally, but both you and her are quite smart people, so you're right to take it as a compliment in my opionion.
At one point automatic subtitles captured you saying Dionysus as 'Diana sauce' haha
Again with no time because work.... though I love my work but when these videos are online, it makes me cry =P .
Don't worry! Add it to your "watch later" list :) then when you do get some free time you have an excellent video to watch.
Rest up Cinzia. Health is more important. We can wait for your videos.
I had this absolutely gorgeous illustrated mythology book for children when I was little, and there was an incredible illustration picturing Ariadne meeting Dionysis (who basically looked like young Robert Plant) and his beauiful cohort all coming out to greet her and carrying fruit and wine and flowers and I just thought she got a much better deal by ending up with a party god haha
That was a great intro.
This video felt more laid back
Love your videos
Glad you liked it
I love this intro "So today, have you ever imagined... men doing men things?"
I love Ariadne and Dionysus ❤ they’re my favorite Greek couple!
I approve this video.
I just finished listening to Euripides Medea. It is a similar story. Fucking tragic but that's what it's for. I love listening to the plays. Sophecles the 3 Theban plays are amazing. Andromache isn't for me though, think that was Euripides though.
Next time I hear someone saying youtube is good for nothing I can't wait to real off everything I've learnt about ancient Greece the last 6 months since finding your channel and falling in love with mythology and ancient Greeks.
I might even take a course when I eventually drag my arse to university.
Thanks for making these brilliant educational video's. Really!
Yes! yesyesyes yes!🎉
Hmmm. I've never been stood up or ghosted.
Good stuff, Kiddo. Really like the new format.
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I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR MY GIRL TO HAVE HER DAY IN THE SUN!!!
thank you for making a video about my favorite goddess, seriously. I love her to Hades and back, so I go pretty feral when someone talks about her 💗💗💗💗💗💗
Mashallah akhi very informative and interesting video may Allah (SWT) bless you.
It's my pleasure
You're looking beautiful and inspiring.🌹
Thank you so much!
You mean someone who arranged the murder of her handicapped brother, got exiled, abandoned and in some versions of the myth got killed herself. Good one.
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