California Avalanche: Deadly avalanche at Palisades Tahoe, explaining how they happen
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- čas přidán 10. 01. 2024
- California Avalanche: Authorities have identified the victim in a deadly avalanche at Palisades Tahoe as 66-year-old Kenneth Kidd, of Point Reyes and the Truckee Tahoe area.
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Dude gave the best explanation of avalanches I've ever heard! This was our first Christmas without snow since < 2007 in the Rocky Mountains. Then all of a sudden lots of snow.
Yeah, cause they SPRAYED IT ON. I am Kairos out of Napa Valley documented the spraying on his youtube channel. He notices stuff. So do i, like how STUPID people have become since smart devices and iphones have been introduced to our brains. We are not spacially aware of our surroundings, we are mere consumers now. The long prediction weather patterns for the entire globe were showing a warmer season. This burst of cold, is accompanied by low flying planes in my mountains on the west coast. I am watching them spray in a very rural part of our country, north of california. I watch, other watch. We document. DUDE... people be dying now... whoa.... wake up california. You're brainwashed!
Yeah same as with the Salt Lake sky areas as well.
Get ready, there’s a lot more coming! Last year we had 2+ feet of snow by Halloween! It was still there in the shaded areas on Mother’s Day! This year just a dusting a few times before this storm!
Avalanches are basically like thousands of lbs of wet cement moving like a flood of water and settles into cement the second it stops moving. So scary.
Watch “Buried”
If you're buried in an avalanche get your hands against your face and the moment you're not moving frantically try to force as big an air pocket as you can in front of your face to prevent suffocation depending on snow's wetness.
Thanks for the general conditions report as well; so helpful for others who ski this season. So sorry for those affected by the avalanche.
Ironically, "Palisades Tahoe changed its name from Squaw Valley in 2021, a year after the famed resort announced it would jettison its old name. Palisades is a sister resort of Alpine, formerly known as Alpine Meadows, which had one of the worst avalanches in California history in 1982, where seven people were killed."
If u see my comment on affirmative action. It fits well with what you said. It sounds like a woke operation of late.
What a great explanation of what may have happened and why! Appreciate the detail!
Yeah, this was a kindergarten version. If you want to be safe, you go take a course that cost a lot of money and then still you never know.
When i worked at kirkwood as a young man we had avalanche crews causing avalanches on purpose everyday with explosives.
That's why Kirkwood is my favorite mountain in Tahoe, I'm questioning whether there were sufficient avalanche artillery control up at Palisade that early morning.
Every couple of years, there's always something going on at KT22.
explosives hurt wildlife..... din't you get the memo?
@Blackapple307 rightfully to question this we need to know if negligence played a role.
@@scooterscat3309 Say like forest Management, those type of resorts if ran by the state are also being miss managed. Like so many experts out there in these fields and to save money. They hired some kid who stayed at a Holliday inn before the interview. I am not a expert in making sure no avalanche happens while the park is open, but I did stay at a Holliday inn last night.
They use fireworks that shoot into the air and cause a soundwave that triggers avalanches. No harm to wildlife.
Awesome explanation from the weather guy. I am a backcountry skier who skins up and skies down. A shovel and a probe are standard equipment in my backpack. Even when I go to the ski resort with my kids, I carry a smaller pack with a shovel and probes (and a flask of coffee and other stuff). That's just me. I feel naked without those emergency items.
One of the best times to ski is on fresh, cold powder because it contains the most air. An avalanche removed that air and makes snow incredibly dense. So sad this happened. Palisades always does the best possible job keeping people safe on its challenging terrain. We take so much for granted. Thoughts to this boarders family. So sad. Rob is one of the best meteorologists out there.
one of my friends is 82 he was telling me a few days ago about many moons ago he and his friends went up to the top of one of those ski resorts over there, then skied down the other side of the mountain.
they said it was very dangerous and went on for miles beat up their hips and knees. finally found a farmhouse and it was like 30 miles drive to get them, around the mountains, even though they were 6 or 7 miles away.
New snow and wind - lots of melting beware- great explanation❤
Makes me happy I'm not rich
😂😂 one good thing about not being rich
Great reporting by the reporter
"great job".😊 👍
The last reporter did a pretty good job describing the overall conditions and the persistent weak layer.
Management or the facility cannot handle mother nature and no one is to blame but mother nature unfortunately that's the way it is but people I was trying to say somehow we need this or we need that or this law will help this woman actuality nothing can help mother nature and nothing can stop in avalanche especially one old 66 year old man at least he went out with a bang and got his 15 seconds of fame like we all deserve
The first one was TERRIBLE. He appears to be an actual meteorologist. Not a reporter.
Democrats invented the 'weak layer'
Jesus is Creator of all. Heaven and earth. We must repent and pray for protection every day.
Very sad. What a terrible newscast though. "The bachelor party... he'll never forget". 😕
So… any reason they failed to recognize the hazard and remedy it before letting people on the snow? Sheesh, an avalanche *at* the resort. Just because you run a business based on snow, you arn’t immune to snow related trouble.
that's weird question... it reads alot more like an accusation arising from [1] ignorance and [2] not actually bothering to listen to the six minute video.
@@bmolitor615 no, it’s based on understanding how a properly run ski-resort operates. One - they care about their customers. Two - they understand snow. Three - they understand risks involving snow. Four, they have fantastic visibility of what snow is doing on their own property. Five - they will already have contingency plans in place to mitigate and eliminate such risks as they come up.
@@Relkond blablabla... and you still did NOT listen to the video. smh.
Is this Billy's son? We will each have our day, ... best to pass doing something you cherish. Condolences to his family and friends. ❤
Don't they monitor for that and Preemptively cause slides or close the area??
Lol they do now
Ive seen where they shoot explosives high up the slopes. I guess they didnt want to loose the fresh powder layer.
@@The_Quaaludethat was funny. Your comment wasnt there when I started typing.
It was a post control release.
@@The_Quaaludeoh man don't make me laugh!
😂 It's your fault I laughed.
Definitely not on my 2024 bingo card.
3:15 great explanation by Rob 👏
More than 4... I saw the report of the one who died plus two other Americans, as well as two Australian siblings were buried in this and had to be dug out. Lucky for the sister as she managed to keep her head on the surface, her brother was not so lucky and took a bit of searching...
It's kind of an unwritten rule and very few would violate it. This type of accident happens, you help. A ski becomes an instant shovel, as does a snow board. If you can remove the 'basket' from a ski pole, that becomes an instant probe. You just don't leave anyone.
It is similar with hiking/backpacking. In 2001, I was hit by a rockfall. Wrong place, wrong time. While not severely injured, cuts, bruises, an ankle sprain..... People got to me pretty quickly. Someone took up my pack, others got the cuts wrapped up, the ankle bound as best as possible. And this was before everyone carried trek poles and someone found a branch shaped pretty well for a crutch. As we started down, each really difficult spot had people lining it to give me a hand down. It worked well.
I think of it as 'payback' for all the times I helped others, but it isn't 'payback', it's just the way it is.
Same here. Not really 'good Samaritans', it's just doing as everyone will always do. Even if someone was doing something they should not have been doing, they still get helped. In this case, no one was doing anything wrong.
And people feel really good about themselves when they help. And ANY help is good help. I was a volunteer at the Oso landslide in WA state. Some folks ask me what I did. A few are idiots and think what I did there was not important. Most people just nod their heads and say "Gee, that was really great of you to do that." And all I did for four days was help dig drainage ditches. "All" I did? Yeah, right. And I feel good about myself.... So do these people who helped dig, even those that just stood beside the holes and cleared the snow back as other people dug down. That was VERY important that someone do that.... It's a team.
how about you stay home and not take the risk to bury yourself alive in a sprayed on winter snow pack? We were scheduled to have el nina, warm fronts, very moist, this weather right now, is man made and totally manipulated. Been watching and hearing planes SPRAYING on their chemical cocktail for the past few weeks. We had such lovely weather before the elite weather controllers decided to spray on fake snow. Hope the tourisim is worth it. The consequences for our weather manipulation onto our planet, wont be fun to deal with. Enjoy your snow sports while you can. Spoiled Californians, stupid, narcissistic, sensational california morons. So brainwashed. Can't look up and see the spraying, cause you too busy looking down at your phones.
Thank you for your four days of back breaking work. Every effort is valid and helps in the recovery. You were an invaluable part of the team. Ignore the ignorant. They don’t know what they’re talking about. You do.
Thank you for helping in Oso.
May they rest in PEACE... 😔🙏📿🕊
Squaw is such a great mountain.
Nothing more braindead than local news comments section
Geeze! That's horrible
An avalanche on a snowy mountain.. no way
That's so scary. 😢
I feel like they didnt do a good check.
The places i have snowboarded and worked it they sent of a small explosion to test if it safe. Daily. I feel like they didnt
Look 24 to 30 people die annually from avalanches in the US- but not a huge story considering sometimes literally 200 to 300 people die in car crashes in Tahoe most years and mostly alcohol related.
I was in the middle of writing how there are more cars on the roads than skiers on the slopes but that's really besides the point. The point of the news is to report on things that grab people's attention. Things that happen everyday doesn't really grab people's attention.
You fail to understand that the overwhelming majority of avalanche deaths annually are in the backcountry. In-bounds avalanches are extremely rare and a lot more consequential. Thankfully this one didn't take more lives.
That's not true.
😮 that's a lot of car accidents
It's important to warn people about avalanches tho. Commonplace deaths, that have become normalized aren't as big of a story as the rarer deaths.
It's the nature of the beast. But we get our perspective messed up if we don't talk about the other deaths. 88,000 die/yr from alcohol. 260,000 from cigarettes. 250,000 from medical errors. 15,000 from ibuprofen.
And 11,000 from people taking prescription opioids.
We need to stand against the pernicious belief that it's better for doctors to not treat people in pain. If the pain is severe, they go to the streets, and die in greater numbers on fentanyl than before they blocked access from Doctors prescribing opioids. The science says we aren't winning the war on drugs by denying people access to pain medicine.
But your point about alcohol and car wrecks is valid. We need to see the big picture in context, not just the rare attention grabbing stories. Perspectives need to be balanced, humane treatment of humans must be the goal.
That was probably very scary😢
Humans need to understand that nature is nature.
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I find it strange that experts herald warnings 24hrs AFTER emergencies! If they have all this knowledge it would seem more intelligent to practice avoiding the problem!
Sad too see.All the best too everyone in Tahoe.Rest in Peace Kenneth ✝️All Gods angels are in Heaven ✝️ God bless everyone all your days ✝️🕊️🇺🇸
Danger is everywhere in the slopes. Be careful out there.
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A worst fear story....😮😮😮😮😮😢
Did she really say, how did this avalanche even happen. The experts will tell us,
Should have never opened these slopes!!!
OmMani Padme Hum!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Does it only hsppen to wealthy families?
I thought they tested for these things? Not once, but twice!
Greedy owners not doing AC properly
SQUAW VALLEY...!!!
IVE BEEN THERE , VERY, VERY , VERRY BADLY MANAGED, TOO FEW EMPLOYEESS FOR THE AMOUNT OF CUSTOMERS.....GREEDY OWNERS DAHHH EXPERTS IN THIS FIELD ? THEY MEAN FRIENDS OF MANAGEMENT AND OWNERS
Agreed!
Coroner reports it was not a deadly avalanche as this was a 66-year-old man in very poor health and he was about to go any day anyways everyone that was young was able to climb out of the snow what is a 66 year old man doing in that situation anyway needs to be investigated
Experts in the field is the Sierra Avalanche Center a Class 1 Avalanche Center with Avalanche Forecasters that have nothing to do with Palisades. We have difficult conditions this year with a shallow snowpack and that has created a rotten lower snowpack. Ski area management has to balance between getting rider compaction on that snow to break up those layers or keep people off the snow and create a much larger and longer problem layer. Monday morning QB's, who know very little about snow science, seem to be a dime a dozen.
Fly down a mountain on sticks at your own risk.
@@user-lp1jw9bo5yYou're repeating yourself, and we don't believe you.
Isn't this the same place that had a much larger avalanche back in the 80s?
They have huge avalanches every year but they're usually intentionally caused during avalanche control. You're probably thinking of the Alpine Meadows event in 82' that wiped out a building in the base and killed 7 people.
Yes. The story of the 80's avalanche is on Netflix.
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I have been in several avalanches! I had a bad feeling every time before the disaster took place! Saved a whole crew once in Alaska and still had to dig out one guy and several others fought for their life! We came back the next day and all our heavy equipment was at the bottom of the cliff, twisted metal! Hard to believe unless you see it! Trust your instincts, if I had not made a big deal out of the danger we would have all been buried!
So, you are a hero?
No hero, just did what I had to do! Got the creeps, and made up my mind I was going to leave even if I had to walk back to camp!@@CuriousGeorge-00001
Terror Lake, Kodiak, Alaska
Yes, it's all about you!
They all would of died, had I not made a big deal about the danger! We had already carried several boxes of dynamite to blast in the tunnel! I was leaving no matter what anybody did! When the general foreman agreed to leave, I ran all the way in the tunnel and ran out carrying my box of dynamite! The others walked in, and walked out, and that was why they were getting swept away, and buried by the avalanche! So yes, it was all about me. People are often skeptics because they are blind and stupid to their own prejudices! I cannot count the times I have seen a future event and warned people of the danger, and they lost limbs, loved ones, their life, because they choose to mock me! But, I warn them anyway, even if they do not listen! Now I warn you, buy as much food to store as you can, their is going to be a major food shortage soon!@@miketobin2324
Yes life is so fragile. Another common deadly action is simply driving down the with everyone apparently late like every day making lawyers extra rich. Slow down and be patient. Tragedy can and does happen every hour because of a holes
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Final Destination
If you are on a mountain covered in snow, you should expect to be killed by an avalanche.
I used to live in Tahoe and skied at every resort in the area and had never heard of Palisades Tahoe. Then I watched the segment and the reference to KT22 and remembered that the area that hosted the 1960's Winter Olympics changed their name to placate liberals. It will always be Squaw Valley to me.
They renamed it in recent years. A lot of locals still call it Squaw
Squaw references the indigenous people.
It's Choctaw for "baby" or "child"😊
I was raised a squaw 😊
We still call it squaw.
@@rootofecstasy It was to placate liberals and a handful of vocal Washoe Indians.
@@rootofecstasy I disagree; I was around when Stanford University pioneered this nonsense by changing their mascot name from "Indians," and that was to placate liberals, as is every silly name change since then. But as you seem to have inside information, please enlighten us: why did a ski area with brand recognition all over the world as the host of a Winter Olympics change thier name?
Palisades Tahoe will be liable for opening an inbound area that wasn't safe
Skiing isn't always safe. There are assumed risks. They will probably get sued but whether it's successful or not will have to be determined.
Don't you sign a waiver when you buy a ticket?
Close it Down.
I liked the spokesperson characterizing this event as "unusual"... With an attitude like that, I question the resort's commitment to vigilance regarding avalanches ...
Hedging safety preparedness with excuses is a bad look.
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This is the risk you take when you participate in dangerous activities. You know who doesn’t get caught in avalanches? People with enough common sense not to go skiing. Mother Nature cannot be predicted 100%.
Just hide in your house then.
Just sit in your house and watch TV for the rest of your life. No danger there
Play stupid games .... anytime you put yourself in a place you don't need to be
It’s Squaw Valley….pretty sure.
Seems like they would have ways to check this sort of thing before they open the slopes for the season. Like many area's in our society we are losing qualified officials and workers to affirmative action employee's. The door falling off a new airplane in flight recently is another example of how weak our Nation is becoming.
They do check this stuff on a daily basis. In-bounds avalanches are extremely rare because of it. Pretty much every North American resorts does avalanche control on in-bounds terrain. This can vary from explosives to air cannons.
Nobody is trained any more or give a rip about humanity so sad
@@SonofGodSieglinde You have no clue what you're talking about.
Squaw has 4000 acres and hundreds of slide paths. There is no way to be sure that there won't be post control releases. This had nothing to do with affirmative action. A lot of those patrollers have decades of experience.
You don't have to worry, there's no attempts at equality happening anymore. You'll have to blame something else.
What we're losing is people trusting science and experts. They get bullied out of society by a big idiot telling his followers not to trust them and to be violent with them.
Cults of personality, end up with the biggest bully in charge instead of the most educated.
Don't trust the experts
Not one of these expert meteorologist weatherman was able to predict this avalanche which is why they're nothing but soothsayers
I don't think they're the ones who decide if it's safe to ski.
You are completely clueless how this all works aren't you? Weatherman predict storms and weather, other professionals analyze and predict the local avalanche risks based on aspect, temperature, altitude, etc, and then the ski resorts do active avalanche mitigation using explosives, air cannons, etc.
Brain so broken avalanches are a conspiracy
Oh no ! Are they going to ban avalanches now ? 😂😂😂
Coroner reports it was not a deadly avalanche as this was a 66-year-old man in very poor health and he was about to go any day anyways everyone that was young was able to climb out of the snow what is a 66 year old man doing in that situation anyway needs to be investigated
not true, other people were not able to pull themselves out. you are blaming a skier for poor management.
I bet my 67 yr old father is in better shape than you and most of the other shredders out there. He was doing what he loved and now you want an investigation?
My 66 year old dad skis double blacks when the snow is really good lol.
66 isn’t old.
My almost 75 year old husband rides his bicycle almost every day and goes on bike trips every year. Not an electric bike either, his sister still skies too!
It will ALWAYS be called SQUAW VALLEY to me. Changed the name because PC wokies complained. 🙄
the US government committed genocide on hundreds of thousands of American indians, but yeah ceasing to use a niche slur is a great inconvenience to you and I am deeply sorry for the disruption to your life that the woke mob has caused. you are truly the victim here and our hearts are with you
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