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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- In this video Mike talks about yet another shortcoming of the Subaru EJ engine and probably the best way to fix it!
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Mike seems like such a genuinely nice and happy dude
He is, I met him once at a track day. He talked to me all about EJs and was super cool.
...and he has very gentle hands ;)
Whoa the character from mortal kombat
such a smile. every thing he says, it looks like he's about to tell you the greatest joke he ever heard lmao
mike is just absolutey baked out of his mind 24/7
*3:10* - That's a receptacle for the oil dipstick, not the turbo oil drain.
this
Yes you are right.
Love your pointing stick Mike. First heard about Moto IQ through your appearance on HP Academy Tuned in podcast. I've listened to that episode easily 15 times and since have been following you as well. Huge fan of yours not only because the extremely high level of knowledge, but your ability to explain in such a crystal clear and light hearted fashion. Phenomenal work sir!
loving the current uptick in subaru love I'm seeing in my internet travels.
Nice job on the video! Remember our Air Oil Separator fixes the catch can issue of having to drain it all the time.
I love mine!! 265K miles on a stage 3 04 Forester XT Daily Driven by my wife with a lead foot and penchant for testing the limits of traction.
You have a oil pan for 2018 wrx ? Thanks
Does it need a tune? If we use your aos?
@@TheMrFlyBoy18 for the street series no for comp series I believe you do
Do these modifications likewise support the bastard child EJ22?
Another fantastic video, Mike. I really appreciate your content and demeanor. So useful; this is now on my ej build list.
Ah yer, nothing wrong with the factory sump
Dont have a Subaru but just enjoy content with Mike
Mike just looks like he's going to bust out laughing at any moment! lol Love the content and info!
Mike is so chilled! He'd be great to have a long conversation about anything, not just cars!
I love how happy Mike is!
Watched a few of your videos really enjoyed every one of them. One thing I dislike with most CZcamsrs is I will follow a particular channel in the beginning or shortly thereafter and the channel is all strictly car content no other crap added or people trying to be funny/actor's or whatever it is then the channel grows and it seems like they get away from just pure car content assuming solely just to get more subscribers and more views cuz that's how they make their money which is understandable however that is just one of the many reasons I really enjoy these videos straight to the point extremely informational I never worry about getting inaccurate or miss information this guy is literally and EJ King 👍
Mike’s smile makes my day better
i think i could sit and talk with Mike for hours about Subaru and cars :P
So calm and nice guy 😀
Wow MotoIQ, thank you so much for posting this video. This is my current issue with my Hawkeye, and I've been struggling with it for a while. I've tried a couple of fixes, but still no joy (even tried the IAG oil separator). These IAG parts look like the exact solution to my excessive oil consumption issue.
Will give it a try!
I think Mike really enjoyed putting that pointer finger in that drain plug hole.
Hi Mike, I'm Mike! I love your energy and passion for Subaru! I am building a 06 U.S. Forester XT. swapping to the EJ20X. Your videos are a godsend! Thank you 😊!
5:35 Finally, I've been waiting a long time to see Mike busting up!! That Mickey finger in the hole almost did it! 🤣
Sad that Subaru never fixed the oil pickup tube issue. I replaced the one on my 2004 STi back in the days as a precautionary measure.
Love my IAG comp oil pan!
FYI that's not a oil drain for your turbo. That's the dipstick hole.
I was gonna say it!
Yes you are right.
I use to own a subaru impreza wagon and it has been so great. My first car i learned how to drive manual on then traded it for a 240sx that's been sitting in my drive way for more than 6 months now. I still love Subarus don't get me wrong. That nice sound they all make gives me eargasms....
lol you dodged a bullet, that ka will be exponentially more reliable
well my ej207 ra spec c has oil squiters so i did put this style onto my engine = sleep well at night , oil drain - everyone says that me ! = good choice in australia ! i paid $1,050 delivered - well worth it !
My opinion is that with good forged pistons and good tuning, they are not really necessary. Stock Hypereutechtic cast pistons are something else though.
You're a legend Mr. Kojima, we appreciate you man!
These Subaru episodes are great! Catch cans AOS next?
Possibly, its a good subject.
Getting all nostalgic about my younger days watching Mike from SCC and his SE-R in the background.
Yes, i have the killerb super g oil pan pickup and baffle and has protected my 100k engine om track so much, never burns oil
This man is great. I would love to hear another video of wpc treatment, if they still use it or maybe if their recepie has been elevated.
During the whole video,I was fixated on the b13 in the background. this man has built some great sr's in his day!
Keep smiling Mike. Hope IAG makes you happy too.
Don't forget to mention the cool pan o-ring, no moar goop!
Damn I forgot about that.
Lol I feel like I was in an intense car convo with a surfer dude lol 😂
Great video Mike
Mike is the best. Literally why I watch the videos!
Thank you from Jamaica
Wonder how this compares to the killerB gear...
That’s what I was thinking
The intervals on this pan is a bit more intricate, but the windage tray is about the same. The pickup too. But the pan itself looks pretty beefy. Killer b pan has the sensor bung also
Those rubber flaps kind of scare me..
engineering aside, I can attest to oiling issues personally on track this summer. Even with the Killer B pan kit with a Crawford AOS, I did suffer some oil heading into my valve covers while sustaining lateral G's.
One another component that was recommended from Killer B is the Oil Control Valve.
Have you guys used the OCV? Would be curious to see a video on it!
Great video Mike, love the Subaru stuff you guys have
CheeRS!🤙
What's good about the rubber flaps is they leak a lot less than trap doors. I just had a conversation with Dave Coleman about this a couple of days ago and he calculated that the leakage associated with your typical metal trap door was the same as a 2" hole! The rubber flaps are made out of a fluoroelastomer which is pretty heat and oil resistant. The Killer B guys said the oil control valve comes into play if you can pull more than 1.2 g's steady state which is slicks and aero territory. I would sort of think dry sump at this time. I wanted to run the oil control valve on my own car but the KB guys said I would not need it.
@@motoiq thanks for the reply!
I find it surprising that Killer B suggested that I get the OCV and your case no.
I had some back and forth emails with a lad named Nick from KB.
To be fair, I went back to the shop which installed my pan at the time and there was 500ml too much, so perhaps that was the cause also.
I don't log telemetry, however, I doubt I'm pulling anything near 1.2 as my Subaru is relatively stock suspension wise.
Anyway, I guess I'll install it anyway for piece of mind!
Thanks Mike
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about those rubber flaps failing. My old E30 M3 had rubber flaps in the oil pan from the factory and they were still like new after many years.
The way you demonstrate the drain hole with the pointer 😂
Last time you guys recommended the KillerBee pan, pickup and windage tray. which one is better to use?
They both are good.
@2:32 "Emptying your catch can all the time is a BITCH" - That caught me off guard lol, it's true though :|
This might be a dumb question but does this oil pan fit on the 2.0L boxer engines? Specifically the ones on the frs/brz/86
The currently don't make one but MA Performance and Moroso do.
Love the b13 on the back👀👀
I love all the Mike knowledge
Do the FB engines have the same/similar problems?
Aftermarket industries are making good money coming up with parts fixing subaru's engine and engineer issues.
You'll find any aftermarket part for subaru to fix or improve.
if he had a sidekick, they legit could make a reboot of Cheech & Chong: High On Fumes lol
That Aprilia RS250 though Mike. I have the Killer B v3 so of course someone comes out with a better system.
Its actually an RS50, We sold the 250 a few months ago.
What makes you think this system is better?
Would love to see a comparison to Killer Bee's stuff, as well as how much of this is interchangeable with Killer Bee. Like can you use the Killer Bee pickup and windage tray with the IAG pan?
Hey mate they state u can but my killer b pickup hit the internal baffle on the iag Pan so had to run the iag pickup nicer unit imo anyways but both good not knocking killer b in any way
This is really smart now if Iag made one for the
FA 20 Dit platform
Another hack to oiling issues is adding an oil cooler to increase oil capacity by .75qt
Mishimoto and Perrin make some good ones
Grimm speed makes an oil pickup tube as well
I think IAG just came out with it last week or something.
Good video on the cure for the EJ series for dealing with oil control. I looked into the sources for the FA20 & 24 and found a higher capacity sump for better oil control and a windage baffle too for the FA20, but nothing for the FA24 itself in the way of a higher capacity sump with oil controls. Do you know if this has been figured out by a vendor and something is to be released or have you got a fix for these engines?
They have non priority mains which can't be fixed.
Thanks for the great content.
Yes sir thanks for the information I started in 1970 i still love getting new information and tips on products never get the wrenching out of my blood
Would installing this kit remove the need for the AOS? Awesome video as always. I appreciate the shared knowledge.
No it would not.
I would love you guys to do a video on Chevrolet’s new zz632
We like this stuff too
Great stuff as always!!
That SE-R though. _Nice_ .
Everyone loves Dog Car 1 (The original Disco Potato)
Actually the original Disco Potato is a B15 street car. The Dog Car is a B14 race car.
@@motoiq I was wrong all the way around. My excuse I was going from SCC memories...
@@motoiq _The more you know_ .awesome, keep up the good work guys. I'm looking for a B13 coupé in decent shape myself but no dice yet >: .
How to fix the EJ oiling issues?
Dry sump
Yes, but the price is hard .
Is the windage tray recommended for daily driving and NO track? And why would you recommend the IAG oil pickup over the Killer B or are they pretty much the same? Thanks!
If you are not going to drive hard you dont need it. Killer B is still good, we feature it in another video here.
Love your guys content. Can you go over essmbling a long block? I'm about to do mine for the first time. I got a new short block from GNC racing and I got my heads redone With new intake and exhaust valves. I got a reverse cooling mod, apr head studs and im saving for the iag oil pan and pick up. What all do I need for the reassembly? Are brake in fluids a must? Or is normal synthetic good to use for a brake in? See I have no idea if that was a dumb question or not 🤣 help a dude out.
Their short blocks are assembled with oem spec after market parts. I'm not building for power I just want to build a reliable ej255 to start learning the ins and outs of subarus
I also snagged a jdm 6 speed and an I wire conversion kit. I was gonna try to get it all done at once but I think I'm gonna hold off on that for a little while
dont use synthetic oil for break in. use conventional dinosaur oil or break-in oil (high ZDDP content). You can download the subaru factory service manual online with a quick google search. The FSM details engine assembly step by step. get an accurate torque wrench and feeler gauges. follow FSM assembly instructions when torqueing head bolts and installing cams/ cam caps. Measure and set valve lash. Use assembly lube on cams and buckets. Use a good RTV or threebond to seal valve covers per OEM instructions. if you want even more reliability get the subaru JDM 12mm oil pump, AOS, IAG/KillerB pan/ windage tray/ and pick-up.
This above!
it`s a great experience watch your videos, always happy, and the mickey mouse hand was great in this video
Oh nice love iag oil pan
Will it fit jdm ej207?
Yes it will
Good video 👍
Can the oil pick be used in a standard sump. Looking at just keeping the engine alive. Totally stock and driven hard. Or would you advise full kit?
Thanks
They have stock sump pickups. I advise full kit.
Thank you Mike. And keep the hoonigan cars going.
Why did you go with the iag setup over the killerb setup?
We like the baffles and the windage tray a little better. The Killer B pan is a great part as well though. We used it on the EJ20 stroker motor we did a video of.
I'm planning to track at least one more time this year in my legacy GT with an ej255. What's the likely hood for low oil pressure since I regularly change oils and use the OEM filter. It's only done 112,000 kms but have been suggested to get an oil temp and pressure guage as well.
Mike, how old were your friends Subaru's where the pickup broke?
Thanks
i Smashed that like button! shared and commented for the algorithm !
make them for gr86 pls
I think Mike mentioned he had friends Subaru's that blew up at the track due to starvation. Question I'm wondering how technical was the track, how old the engine was?
Due to broken oil pump pickups.
@@motoiq were they older engines though? Though I heard the pickup designs were the same all the way to the last EJ s right?
so street series IAG oil pan kit vs killer B. Which one do you guys recommend? 🤔
They are very similar.
What oil pan baffle would you suggest for 2nd gen BRZ
IAG or the new Varis pan
So we do not need AOS anymore if we have this?
Like any flat engine, you still do.
Can you talk about that se-r in the back?
Speaking of oil. I live in ABQ NM a desert, at what point what you wanna add an oil cooler
Anytime you drive on the track or your oil temp during operation goes over 230 degrees
I only come here because I like watching this guy !
I have a question: why did you guys choose IAG’s setup for the oil pan, baffle, pickup compared to KillerB’s setup? Not to criticize IAG, but KillerB’s products have been out longer on the market and have been used by many users. I feel like IAG is a little late to the game, though they do offer a very competitive price with the oil combo compared to KillerB’s. Im worried about those rubber flaps in the oil pan being a failure point where it could somehow detach and restrict the oil flow. It seems like it adds to more failure points that could happen within the oiling system. The Cosworth oil baffle has a similar setup with the rubber flaps, and if I remember correctly, a user somewhere on the forums had an issue where some of the rubber flaps had more wear than the others in the baffle. He was afraid that the flaps would detach sooner or later so he removed the Cosworth baffle. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Love the content you guys offer!
We are featuring the Killer B pan in an upcoming video. We like both pans and the rubber flaps are proven in other pans and work better at controlling the oil than metal trap doors. The rubber is a Fluro elastomer and is really oil and heat resistant.
the killer B has too many flaws. I had my heart set on one last year when I had to rip the 207 out of my GF8 but when you look at the benefits of the IAG sump over the Killer B i think it sells itself. O-ring groove to seal it against the block (not RTV crap) plus a threaded hole ready for an oil temp probe. Cooling fins and the sump plug on the bottom face, I don't see how the Killer B has any advantages over the IAG sump. And this is coming from someone who was all in on the Killer B until I looked into it harder.
Just to add, there is a standard baffle plate that just has machined/cast slits in it. I too was worried about the viton flappers breaking off and damaging the engine so thought it best to get the safer option.
anything like this for the fa20?
Yes by the same companies.
I wouldn’t say they have oiling issues and or catastrophic oil system failures sumps could be better but they work same for pickups i believe it was only early ej25 in the 2005 wrx and sti
Further more in my experience the oil catch can filling up is due to using the nome baffled breathers which were only intended for pcv system
But I do agree with everything you said on how much better iag and killer b pickups and sumps are
The pick ups break in normal street driving on stock cars, and in track use or over 7500 rpm, oil system failures and bearing damage is common mostly due to the pickup sucking air. Oil pump capacity is fine.
@@motoiq forgot to mention I’m from Australia we get Japanese spec motors not usdm so “forged pistons” however still weak yes and I do believe pickup issues were specific to usdm ej257s but lucky for us we don’t see those types of issues to much and the sump there’s 2004-2005 ej207 sumps of the sti that are heavily baffeld already but not all so I stand corrected and was more refuting to what we have here which is mostly stis in Japanese spec
Nice job! Will there be an install video? I thought you guys still had a Subaru in the fleet.
Thats coming as part of an engine install video coming up.
A modification like this for the VR30DDTT is needed. Here's hoping someone out there wants to mod a new Z.
Don’t y’all have issues with oil temps getting too high on the track? Or is that only on the VQ engines?…
@@suzumr2754 as well as coolant Temps due to CaC.
Fantastic video sir 👍
No of course not, its a damn good set of parts.
Merci pour le partage 😉
I am in the process of reassembling my forester and I was planning to go through this step.
But it seems, that some of these elements, are not compatible, with twin scroll exhaust manifolds ( or équal )... would this one be compatible ??
I have a similar pan and a Full-Race twin scroll turbo kit. It's a tight fit but it fits.
I think there is a good chance it will. IAG test fitted the pan with all the popular headers they could find before finalizing the design. I suggest giving them a call.
@@motoiq Many thanks to you .... from Guadeloupe (French West Indies)
@@lukerogers78 Merci à vous .
I know the full race collector is everything
except .... easy
I put an aftermarket oil pickup on my 08 STI back then traded the car been years wonder if that pickup is still in there probably.
I trust this man to build my motor even if it’s made out of mud 😂
Great Video! What pan will work for a 03' 2.5RS 5spd, with the EJ251?
Same pan will bolt on, some holes need to be plugged, not sure if it will fit in your chassis.
@@motoiq Thanks you guys! Here's what I did. Stock updated style OEM EJ25 pan, with the different profile, that came new from A-zon. Killer-B "Ultra" pick up, new gasket, new tube of sealant, full oil change and filters etc. Old pan came off in my fingers, it was so loose, explaining all the oil leaks. New pan, and pick up went on fine. Had to drop headers and while they were off, filed all the flanges flat(er) to get rid of some of the warping that they'd taken on. Had the car up on stands, UN-bolted engine mounts just enough to get clearance to last four pan bolts, in the back, and 'voila'....done. Also added new windage tray since I was going to be in there anyhow. Side play on the rods seemed OK, w/i spec. Old pan didn't have crazy sludge or shavings...so good news there, but I was petrified of that old type pick up. Car seems much happier now, and runs quieter.
I just finished an ej25 to ej20 swap n now my car acts like its in safe or limp mode in the ecu. There were 2 lil plugs on the ej25 on opposite cylinders, mounted on the heads n they were not on the ej20. I used my harness n my intake n i was wondering how to fix this issue. Please help me with some feedback.
N thank you so damn much for explaining shit the way and the depth that you do. I appreciate ur videos a ton.
go to iwire and read their blog, lots of good swap info there.
would it be Possible to Run this setup on a stock ej205. i was wonding if you would need a tune.
Yes and it doesn't affect the tune
@motoiq awesome, I'll probably go with a set lup like this in the future.
I need help finding a good oil pan for my 91 ej22t. I don't think the IAG one works because it's meant for ej25 or ej20 engines.
same
I just bought this kit from IAG got it on Friday
Video the B13 🤙
I currently own a Forester a XT outback and a regular outback I've done over 200 head gasket and timing belt jobs on Subarus 45 years worth of foreign car service I know just a little bit !
The IAG pan would work great with my dimple drain plug. OE steel pan makes it a bit difficult to take off/put on.
What's a dimple drain plug?
@@MR__JUSTIN plug with a neodymium magnet
@@8145dwerdna where'd you get it? Do you find metal bits on there?
Would this be a better option over the Killer Bee set?
Both are good.
Would it fit a1.6 na engine? And whatsthe price on that combo?
Probably not worth it we have no idea, this engine was not sold in our Market for the Impreza
What about an oil pump? Has IAG made one? I'm in need of one but I don't know what aftermarket oil pump is best for my 06.
The OEM 11mm pump is pretty good.
Mike would smile at a blown motor and the motor would fix itself
You sound like the automotive version of Norm MacDonald and that's awesome.
Would this work on a ej18 1995 Impreza?
Don't know
We all see the 300zx in the background! NEXT VIDEO!!!! (perhaps the BDE Oil Pan?!)
Actually that's coming.
I have to ask how necessary is the pointer finger?
😅
I’ve owned my sti for over 5 years and I only have to empty a couple drops of oil out of the catch can when I change my oil. It’s also never burned oil and with my most recent build it is completely dry every time I check it. I’ve got the killer bee oil pick up and baffle only installed recently.
Engine spun a rod bearing even with everything I’ve upgraded.
@@zokusharuuku1091 Knock ??
@@THESHADOW97139 the new engine must’ve burned oil when starting up in -12 degree weather causing it to spin a rod bearing from low oil while daily driving to work. Obviously the clearances were designed for a track car not winter daily.
@@zokusharuuku1091 😔👍