Ultimate Antialiasing Test For Lychee, Chitubox, Voxeldance Tango
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- Ultimate Antialiasing Test For Lychee, Chitubox, Voxeldance Tango
with this new sonic mini 8k antialiasing works really well, it makes a good printer to test slicer antialiasing setting and their result.
FYI on lychee slicer i tested all the greyscale percentage from 0%-80% on smooth surfave and contrast blur and i only pick several to represent in the video, all greyscale results are the same, no difference at all.
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Thank you so much.
For many months, I struggled with anti-aliasing on Lychee, as you mentioned. No matter what I chose, it didn't have a significant impact. After using anti-aliasing in Chitubox, I immediately see a huge advantage.
Thank you
Thank you! I didn't want to spend all day doing different tests, so this should save me some time!
Another great video. Thanks
Excellent test! Thank you!
Thank you
I've been running these tests on Lychee with my Saturn 2/Elegoo 8k Space Grey resin today. From their docs a printer with 50um resolution should use 2px radius and one with 35um resolution should use 3px radius. Saturn 2's resolution is 28.5um. I ran three tests at 30um layer height all with Smooth Surfaces, radius 2px and HD AA but with grey offset at 0%, 50% and 100% - 0% is noticably smoother. 100% looks to be basically AA off which would make sense. Still a lot more tests to run but thank you so much for making the test piece and making it available for free.
Welcome
Very glad I came by this video. I was having a lot of issues with antialiasing on my ELEGOO Mars 4 DLP. Ran all kinds of settings on Lychee, then saw this vid. Switched over to Voxeldance Tango that came with my printer, problem instantly resolved. I can still see some layer lines (e.g., top of a contouring surface such as a cape) however other parts of the model are smooth enough that I cannot visually identify any layer lines/voxel lines even under light. Thank you very much for this video!
Layer lines might be just your print setting is not good yet.
@@wangdennys Seems to be an issue with every single person who has this printer no matter what settings they use. It's not too bad
at least in my experience with 2k photon mono, firmware update could make or break AA function(somehow regardless of slicer. this is when chitu was only unofficially supporting the 2k mono's format, so went back and forth between anycubic and chitu slicers), so it became my policy for firmware to 'stop it when it works'
You just saved me so much time and confusion. I havent touched my printer since I last tried to get lychee AA working on my mono x 4k. Thank you.
Mono x 4k aa doesnt work.
@@wangdennys That is also great information lol. Thanks again, I wont have to wrack my brain trying to get it working. Guess I need a new printer...
VERY good! One thing is missing in the vid: You have nice letters on the backside: You can see a difference with blurring/antialiasing in the tiniest letters. Thank you!
Oh that is for another content.
LOL
thank you for sharing it, I've been learning A LOT in your youtube channel! quick question: chitubox pro 1.4.1 doesnt have the Anti-aliasing Level to set up, only Gray Range and Image Blur Pixel. Can you please explain how your settings (anti alias: 2) can be set up in this new version? thank you!
how do you change anti aliasing level in chitubox? mine is doesn't show levels
I get similar results on lychee on my elegoo saturn. No apparent smoothing of the surfaces. I used Smooth Surfaces, 2px radius, 40% grey offset and High Definition AA.
Same here
The weird thing is that if I look at the layers in UV Tools, I can clearly see the gray scale AA being applied to the edges.
I should do a test print using Chitubox as well to see if that works.
Yep
Like i shown in my video, i cam see the edges get blur out in preview.
But the print result, nothing.
Have you tried in lychee slice in AA HD mode? Does it work? Thank you.
Hello thanks for this video let me ask a quick question, did you used the .GOO format when exporting from voxeldance? I'm going to print to my saturn 2 but the only format avaliable to export that it opens it's .goo, but isn't goo a bugged format for anti aliasing?
Was this on lychee 5.2.2? I've been trying the smooth surface at 4px 50% not sure if it's doing anything I think it is but thos I'll be testing tonight now thanks! Are they in your cults as usual?
Thank you as always Mr. Wang. Where can I read if they've fix the AA problem on the sonic mini 8k?
Check the facebook group
Hi Dennys. How's it going? Man the Chitubox panel changed a little and I'm confuse now.
Now the options are:
Gray Image: 255 (you can change from 0 to 255)
Anti-Aliasing: Here you can turn on or off and if you turn on, you input 2 values here these are: 127 - 255
Image Blur: 2
There's also an option that I saw in your video and I just copied it.
This is:
Layer Print Time Compensation: 2,41 s
I wanna set like in your vídeo:
Anti-Aliasing: 2
Grey: 0
Image Blur: 2
What can I change in my settings to be like your?
Your channel is the best channel about 3D Printing.
Tks bro!
Awesome video as always! Seems like Discord link is stale?
I've got a brand new Uniformation GKtwo. In the Citubox setting it does not have AA levels, just a check box for it to be on or off, and then level settings for Grey Level and Image Blur. Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I thought I was getting an excellent printer.
Yes AA on is similar with AA 2
Hi, thanks for your in-depth technical approach to the videos/reviews. Recently I watched the Sonic Mini 8KS video and you mentioned that the older 8K has an AA bug. Do you think it might be a slicer bug? After all, the printer just prints what's in the file, that is flat, black and white images. I'm trying to understand the bug, because it doesn't make sense that on one axis AA works well, and the other one fails. Printers don't have AA feature, it's just a matter of slicing.
Nope
Also tested it on other slicer
Result is the same, aa on x axis not working.
Lychee crew is apparently incompetent at slicer technology - the only thing they did ok is made a reasonable manual support interface with reasonable functionality that's kind of simple. The one quite good feature they have that usually works without embarrassment is 'island detection', unless of course it crashes when one is trying to work on any model more complex than a mini or two.
Everything 'technical' about _actual_ slicing for resin printers seems to be poorly executed with lack of attention to detail, leading one with skill in the art to assume they are programmers who filched some open-source slicing modules and stuffed it into their 'slicer-noir' skin.
And yes, non-substandard printers _do_ have real hardware AA, tools like that the Lychee crew don't seem to know much about so they try, obviously unsuccessfully, to implement someone else's software image processing algorithm that they don't understand to the slices to smooth each 2D image and 'fake' AA, yet still haven't got it to work no matter how much money they made/make off of 'Pro'.
Too bad because on their later release info they said the AA works better now.
@@retromodernart4426 for many beginners the appeal of lychee is the simple and intuitive interface. However I would rather jump in the deep end and struggle with a more complex, capable program. So that I can reap the rewards later on.
What are the top 3 slicers you would recommend mainly for 3d printing miniatures? I’ve also backed the new Athena printer on kickstarter which will have AA hardware, so I want to be able to make use of it.
@@wangdennys Have you revisited lychee AA since this video? I've had great results recently but i hadnt used their previous AA implementation so i can't compare. Thanks for your videos!
What advice do u have to reduce layer steps on top of model heads. Thanks
With correct angle, the hair will cover the step lines.
Or use smaller layer height.
Hi Dennys ! Thank you for your help I was a lychee slicer user and I moved to chitubox thanks to you. However using the same setting leads me to voxels again..I am using thé elegoo saturn 2k at 50micron and AA level 2 Grey 0 image blur 2, thanks in advance
It could be the printer.
You might need to experiment with different setting
So you are telling me it is possible to have no visible layer line at all? What layer high are you using ?
@@wangdennys
@@Marcresus yes it is possible
On all layer height from 0.01 to 0.3
You mean from 10 to 30micron then ? That would take a lot of time, I would go for 35h of printing 5cm height model
@@wangdennys
antialiasing work for all layer height from 10 micron up to 300 micron@@Marcresus
I use Chitubox basic and dont have the option for AA level, it only has Grey Level and Impage blur. What would be the equivalent? Maybe (AA on, Grey level 0, Image blur 2)
Yes
AA on is the equivalent for AA 2.
The rest are also the same.
Could you show your Lychee AA settings? The last few releases they spent a lot of time fixing up the AA options.
I shown it in the video
And some explanation in video description.
Check other comment that already test it too
exactly, this video cant be of two weeks ago beacause the setting he is showing on Lychee doesnt exist anymore since a year ago i think.
@@rodrigolopezarechiga6557 LOL
Contrast blur not exist on lychee?
Smooth surface not exist?
They literary exist since the first lychee till now.
New addition is the HD AA.
Hey dont take my word for everything, test it yourself, the file to test is free to download.
When I testet Lychee pro a couple of months ago, I run into the same issue. So I compared the pixels in the png for each layer with Chitubox, Materialise Magics and Envisiontec RP:
1. Chitubox can compete very well with the professionals when it comes to AA
2. Lychee does NOT provide any AA in Z-direction. I wrote them a mail about that issue, but it seems they just didn't understand. So I canceled my pro subscription and continued using Chitu pro with my MSLA-printers.
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Denny, currently I have mars 2 and for now I print pretty small things, I am curious if that make sense to upgrade printer for example to Anycubic photon M5s? What do You think? Cheers
What do you mean "Anti-aliasing 2"? I don't have a numerical option for that in Chitubox, only for Grey Level and Image Blur. AA is on, or off.
On older printer antialiasing 2 is the equivalent of antialiasing on.
@@wangdennys Oh, cool, I was worried it was a paid thing. Thanks for telling me.
Hi Denny. I've tried your AA file a bunch with chitubox and lychee with my Saturn 3 (non ultra) and all of them look bad. Do you have any experience with this printer and getting the AA to look smooth?
Sorry no.
Any pic?
Have you try AA on or 2
Grey 0
Image blur 2
Using chitubox?
@@wangdennys tons of pics. How would you like me to show them to you?
@@wangdennyshello, I keep leaving a Google photos album link, but the comment appears to get auto-removed.
Dennys will you be reviewing the new 12k Anycubic printer?
Nope
They are not sending me unit for review.
I might get it later after product release.
Hi dennys I hope you are doing well. The anti-aliasing in lychee doesn't work me for. I like to use lychee fo supporting, the problem is: If I export my model from lychee as an stl and import it into chitubox, chitubox applies anti-aliasing to my raft and supports, which has been causing my finer supports to fail. Does this mean I have to start using chitubox instead of lychee? Because I imagine increasing exposure to compensate wouldn't be ideal. I noticed in uv tools that chitubox does not apply the anti-aliasing to the supports or raft.
I never have fail With AA on my entire model and support.
Chitu will apply AA on entire object and support
I doesnt have function like lychee to avoid aa on support.
Either your support tip too small or no anchor
Or you are underexpose afterall.
@@wangdennys I tried your exposure tester with AA and all the supports fail, without AA they all succeed.
@@wangdennys If you look in uv tools chitubox has built in 'no AA on supports' it does not blur the raft or supports. Though the option isn't there in the interface like lychee it is in fact built in.
@@brendon6930 i never have such issue with or without AA.
My exposure usually works on both setting.
Every slicer has its own advantages and idiosyncrasies. Great comparison video. Thank you Choose the slicer that best suits you. Maybe you can give our latest CHITUBOX Basic 2.0 a try. More powerful in every way
Will download 2 for try
Perfect
I think I need some new glasses looking at some of those 😂
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Have you done any tests with chitubox 2.0 yet? There seems to be a lot of confusion with the new settings method.
Check my live video rerun.
@@wangdennys Found it, Thanks. czcams.com/video/e3i1GhO471w/video.html
Maybe lychee doesn't support PRZ format and mini8ks very well for now.
I tested before on other phrozen printer with ctb format, same result
Hello, I have elegoo mars 2 why can not I pick AA level? There is no aa level list for mars 2. Do You know why?
What slicer you use?
@dennys wang same, chitabox. Try it on Your side, there is no AA level for mars 2.
Just on and off right?
AA on is equivalent AA 2
@dennys wang yes its on or off that's it, but I have checked other printers and have seen AA levels, so was just curious why it's not there for mars 2 ;)
@@smokehead5318 older printer dont have antialiasing level.
I dont understand how you get 3 different numbered setting in chitubox
I only have
AA on/off
Grey level 0-8
Image blur on/off
Image blur pixel 0-8
What do you mean bu Anti Aliasing 2?
Some type has AA 2-8
Some just AA on or off
AA on is same with AA 2
@@wangdennys how does the range affect things? The default is "Grey Range 95-255" I suppose your results suggest we should turn this to zero, but I'm curious how the range setting even works.
@@killboypowrhed let's keep things less complicated.
LOL
Could you help me with the parameters of the phrozen sonic mighty 4k resin sunlu standard, in chitubox
i have the same problem too with lychee 2 px 0% and hd aa and one photon mono 4k
Photon mono 4k AA will never work.
Sorry.
The printer just not capable to do antialiasing
@@wangdennys thanks for the information, this is the first time I have heard of it.
@@wangdennys And knowing that anti-alising is not going to work for me, there is some difference between laminating with lyche or photon workshop
Laminating?
@@wangdennys slice sorry
what version of Lychee are you using? because Lychee setting are: Radius, Grey offset ans HD AA. "Antialiasing smooth surface" setting, doesnt exist.
you sure? you might wanna check it again.
@@wangdennys yes, sure, been using it for 3 years.
@@rodrigolopezarechiga6557 "Smooth surface" exists, as it is the default AA type. You also have "Sharpen Details" and "Contrast Blur". You may have to check again, it's been like that for a long time.
It is the settings ABOVE "Radius"
🤣
Finally someone with real experience 😘
@@Meowcate yea, those are the names of the presets and the setting are the ones i named above, still not existing
This is so sad! cause I love how easy it is to edit supports in lychee :(((((
Maybe future update will fix it.
@@wangdennys I hope so cause I have paid for the pro version ;)
@@mhumienny i also use pro for work.
But prefer slice with chitu due to the AA better
@@wangdennys I gonna see how it works with my new models, but when you run a production and have processes it's hard to switch
damn, I wanted to give lychee a go since everybody seems to say it's fantastic, but for the stuff I do I need antialiasing, and that pretty much seems to totally suck on lychee. WTF?!? 🥵
Usually people use lychee for orientation and support setting
Then export as stl
Then slice on chitu.
@@wangdennys very good point, thanks!
@@wangdennys You know most of the time Lychee's exported STL (like after supporting a model, which is what most people who don't know any better usually use Lychee for) is broken, right?
Test it out, take some different unsupported models, put them into Lychee one at a time, just run that joke Lychee autosupport malfunction on the model and export it as an STL. Then take each model and drop it into a competent mesh checker like Formware's Online Free STL repair, Autodesk Netfab, and even Microsoft 3D Builder, and watch how the model needs repairing...
Exporting on any slicer will have the same result occasionaly.
Because the way slicer generate support, the supports 3d meshes are not merge to the object. And often time such repair software will read it as not watertight and need repair.
But with or without repair i tested all and they print just fine.
@@wangdennys STL is a notoriously 'outdated' format for converting mesh files, the fault is not Lychee per se, it's mostly the STL format itself, this is well-known but STL is most accessible and popular for transferring 3D object files - the better formats like STEP and others are used by CAD programs but few (if any) 'consumer' 3D resin printers can use them (I think the new Athena will), and many proficient CNC contract companies will only accept for jobs STEP and the like, not STL.
Some other slicers re-run their built in (competent) mesh-check and then export the 'pre-fixed' STL of the model with added supports, Lychee apparently doesn't do that (yet?)
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When testing Lychee (assuming you have Pro) you need to post what grey offset you used when testing.
Smooth surfaces at 2 pixel with a 40% offset results in nearly the same smoothness as your chitubox best settings.
Actually i have more print test on lychee, i tested from 0% grey to 80% with 10% increment.
All the result is the same.
And i pick just several to represent in the video.
And all the result is the same, voxels still exist.
@@wangdennys then something is very, very wrong. I'll post a Google drive link to my lychee AA testing I did during beta, later tonight.
@@wangdennys then something is very, very wrong. I'll post a Google drive link to my lychee AA testing I did during beta, later tonight.
@@snarkyarts8182 yes please.
I always curious why lychee AA doesnt work.
You could download my model and test it yourself
Nonsense, Lychee is a broken heap of dog droppings, all their 'surface smoothing' techniques don't work right.
I can send you this file sliced with 3D anti aliasing. I think it will wastly outperform Voxel tango))
I just finish first testing on my custom slicer wich can perform AA not only in XY axis but in Z axis as well! So I want anyone expirienced to try and confirm if it works the same!
So please wright me your printer parameters if you interested.
Custom slicer?
I'd be interested to try it especially the z axis antialiasing
Cause you can see the z in my prints all have stepping lines and the AA cannot do anything on z
Tell us more, this sounds really cool! 8)
@@allnicksweretaken It is only at testing stage and base on blender 2.5
So it can actually slice for MSLA. Only issue is that it much slower than usual slices but it can doo much more than them.
I hope at certain point I will succeed with auo orientation and auto supports on organic reverse branching tree.
Didnt posted it anywhere yet But if Blender community will cach up with geometry nodes it can improve that process several times and it might be possible to integrate UWTools on it.
@@wangdennys I only need a settings from you. Model is obviously provided ;) But I can't generate sliced file only with placeholder settings.
So what settings you need
I'll be glad to provide it.
Oh man, I use Lychee and I have a Sonic Mini 8k. I might as well not bother with AA 😭
"Oh man, I have a Sonic Mini 8K and I need to use AA. I might as well not bother with that Lychee 💩"
Fixed it for you...
@@retromodernart4426 switching to Chitu won't fix the Mini 8k antialiasing issue. I find Lychee's supports much nicer to use and less likely to crash, and I'm not going to pay for both Lychee and Chitu.
@@whittaker007 I wasn't suggesting Chitubox, I never use Chitubox either.
Voxeldance Tango slicer (I know, it costs money, too) is superior technically in my opinion, but it has a 'less intuitive' user interface (but I actually prefer it, it's pretty nice to use once familiar) and more seemingly-complex to use support generation, but it actually works surprisingly well, when one configures auto-support properly, very few supports need to be manually added and the models come out excellent.