Radeon 6800 (XT): Are they the best Linux Gaming Cards (that you can't buy)?
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It's rare to see Wendell being this genuinely happy.
I'd be a happy camper 😸 too with that set up working. Then gonna get rollercoaster tycoon up n running on it.
They'll need to make a hal 9000. Aio display for thread ripper
nerdy enthousiasme
This isalittle sad.
Well, if you have had experience with vfio and rx5700, you would be so happy about not having to do a hard reboot of your server because the windows vm locked up or have to schedule driver updates a la enterprise style. It is a headache with one vm. It most be horrifying if you have multiple vms in active use. This is indeed great news (one fewer reason to consider NVidia this gen).
Cool.
Thanks for the Linux centric perspective - I agree we need to somehow make it clear that it is AMD's attitude towards Linux that makes their product the obvious choice, so we encourage them to go further into the future.
I think the best appreciation would be contribute to some of the machine learning frameworks ROCm support; that's the money maker, break Nvidia's CUDA monopoly. I really want to try that, I'm buying these cards next year for sure.
@@Quarky_ wait until stocks come about. Staying safe in a Bunker, until this winter
@@emazzikanbodo3014 Indeed, I'm in no hurry :). Also, I would rather have an APU. Going by past trend, the 5000Gs should be coming out Feb-March. Something equivalent to the 4750G would be fantastic! Paired with one of these, it's the perfect work+fun and everything in between setup ;)
Yep. Buy a card. I will next year. I want a game streaming server.
They should also consider to release their drivers not only for GNU/Linux Ubuntu though, some love for GNU/Linux Debian which GNU/Linux Ubuntu is based on would have been nice lol
My day is perfect, and my excitement is immeasurable. I mean when I can get it in stock.
I came here to see if the PCI reset works (no reset bug) and it's in the first minute of the video. I'm hyped!
Literally same. He knows his demographic lmao
can someone explain what pci reset is?
If I understand it correctly it clears any settings and states applied to a PCI device and kind of "reboots" it.
With graphics passthrough to virtual machines the VM and card will complain because the card already has states that is telling it is has booted as is doing work.
@@honestsniping1 I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people than me on this topic but my understanding is:
It's important that the graphics card has the ability to reset itself without needing to be power cycled. This is talked about a lot when using VFIO because once the guest virtual machine has the card passed though, it will initialize the card (Load the GPU BIOS). Normally I believe when you have a card that doesn't have a reset problem, the driver is unloaded during machine shutdown and the card automatically resets so it's in a clean state to be used again when the machine is started up. However on some AMD cards the GPU doesn't reset and so it's left in a dirty state which means it cannot be used again until the whole machine it power cycled.
This doesn't just affect people using VFIO though, if the driver or card encounter an issue during operation. The card would reset and the driver reloaded but with this issue the OS is left needing a full hard reboot. You may have at some point got an error from windows saying something like "The graphics driver recovered from an error" I believe this reset process is whats happening to allow such a recovery.
I don't think the PCI Bus it's self is responsible for the reset of the device but it can trigger a reset by placing the card in a lower power state and then returning to a normal power state.
@@LightWrathme sounds nice, thank you very much for the detailed explanation.
This really gave me a sigh of relief after hearing all the good things about this card being used on Linux systems. I am definitely eager and planning on getting an AMD card for sure, to support FOSS drivers!
Passing through the USB port is something I didn't even think about. Thanks for testing that.
That's what all Thunderbolt people do!
Just intel PCIe, now on AMD too!
Thanks Wendell. Your enthusiasm is as infectious as usual. I genuinely fall asleep every night planning and wishing for a Ryzen build with PCIx4 M.2 gigabyte transfer and storage. A 5950x and now the 6800xt with vfio in Manjaro and all that GNS3, KVM learning and fun.
Great review Wendel, and thank you.
Now just waiting on the stock!
This is the exact review that i've been looking for - thanks, @Level1Linux!
Love ur linux channel, thanks for spending time on it.
Props for the subtle nod to Review Brah! :)
This video calls for some engagement. My 5700 has been running fine under Fedora, but this just got on my radar because of this awesome out-of-the-box operation. *Proceeds to look where to buy this thing*
Thanks for this :)
Good commentary as usual, and exceeded my expectations :)
As a Linux-Windows dual booter and a Linux gamer these would have to really suck for me to not pick them over Geforce. The AMD software model on Linux just fits better with the Linux ecosystem.
They have come so far, when I bought my R9 290 in 2014 it really sucked in Linux. I used to write forum posts complaining about slow it is in Linux. Both the open drivers and the proprietary ones sucked, the latter of which most of the time I could not even figure out how to install successfully.
Now I play AAA games on Linux with freesync too, I never would have imagined it five years ago on this same piece of hardware.
Amd used to suck on Linux really badly. I had an rx 470 and once the drivers got good on Linux, it’s by far the best experience I had on Linux. I unfortunately upgraded to an rtx 2060 not realizing how bad they were on Linux. Can’t wait to switch back.
@@traviskraemer My experience with 2070 super on ubuntu has been positive. I'm curious what sucks?
@@jouniosmala9921 Things like compositors and the lack of good open source drivers from nvidia. Its fine for gaming, but anything else on linux like the desktop runs like crap on nvidia. My integrated graphics had a smoother experience than my old gtx 1070. I got an rx 5700xt to replace it, but now I might want to upgrade to an rx 6900xt when that comes out
Yo, help out a homie over here.
Do games running over proton work fine with freesync on AMD? I mostly play DE.
@@NaumRusomarov I will check and let you know. Been playing native games lately.
That's really cool! Thanks AMD! And thanks for testing it for us, Wendell :)
I hope to see good ROCm support as well
(I'm pretty sure I'll get the 6900 xt whenever I can, you sold it well)
I wish I could like this twice 😄 Thanks for this Linux-centred coverage. I'm really excited about this family of GPUs. I'm a VFIO enthusiast and the reset bug being fixed out of the box is music to my ears.
Ok, your review just convinced me to cross the line. Thanks for the review, awesome!!!
Awesome! Thx a lot again wendel
Thank you for covering Linux support!!!
I remember those Matrox cards, had a G400 back in the day. The how-to for xfree86 noted that the matrox x server was the "most hardware accelerated" one out there.
Another Linux video. Oh boy, Wendell is on a roll.
awesome news! thanks Wendell!
Great job on this one too
I've got to say - I'm really liking what I'm seeing and hearing on the Linux front so far. Pretty sure of what I'll be getting if I opt to make an upgrade next year. Thanks Wendell. :-)
On the last video, I asked for more Linux videos and you liked the comment. You delivered. All hail the tech janitor! Keep it coming 👍🏻
Wasn't your goal here but you talked me into trying Linux again!
BTW have checked it out a few times since 1990 and have always been disappointment so this is no small feat.
Great job!
This is the review I've been waiting for
Hey Wendell, this is awesome!! Consider doing a VFIO setup video and getting the second+ GPU running off a VM? Should be straight forward but would be interesting to see! It'll be a while before most of us can get our hands on these cards anyways...
Thumbs up for the upcoming gpu reset video.
I really like to see a vfio built with that and a video on what to consider. Great video
If there was (may be there is) a list of good motherboards that have IOMMU groups properly separated, that would be great. Thanks for the video.
If there was you wouldn't be asking.
Or even any working IOMMU ANYTHING! 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I appreciate the testing you did here as I have not seen another for the 6000 series with passthrough AND native. I am just using DXVK for Windows titles and Vulkan/OpenGL for native. I have been running a 6900XT on Arch Linux for a few months now and performance is indeed through the roof! Thanks for the video! Penguin master class!
Great channel. Love your reviews . I’m going to build a new pc next year once the next gen Threadripper is out and use the 6800xt. My current setup is a x470 Hero VII running Ryzen 2700x, 32gb 3600mhz, 5600xt running Pop_OS and it does me fine but don’t see the point of staying with AM4. Since I also use my iMac Pro 14x a lot it would be great to see thunderbolt on other systems.
Wendel you hit this one out of the park too!!!!
You sold me on wanting one of these.
FINALLY! a benchmarking review that I care about :) thank you for the Linux gaming reviews
Very exciting! I'll be waiting a while for them to go down in price a little, but I'm so getting one.
The only thing that remains: SR-IOV
Sometimes I drool over the M25 Instinct gpu with MXGPU support. I need SR-IOV on my home!
@kerosin fuchs sadly it doesn't :(
nice. thx for the content
Very happy with my Radeon VII, and will be getting one of these when the demand calms down.
That's good to hear
Thanks, Wendell
This is really awesome, I can do a lot with this o:
Awesome video and even better news. I quite literally started using Linux full time instead of dual booting last week after windows refused to reinstall on my new NVMe drive. I was super concerned about games since I heavily mod them but to my amazement, Witcher 3 runs perfect with my 1080. Would you ever benchmark the 30 series in Linux?
haha nice meme reference at the intro
I can't wait to get an AIB card from Sapphire. I'll probably go for a Nitro+ SE if I even have the option.
if you don't like all the rgb blings, their pulse card is better choice. its kinda stealth black no rgb
I heard the toxic is coming back
Just bought the RX6800, can't wait! ^^ Finally a working reset!
So does booting with "pci=big_root_window" (or whatever the real syntax is) give you a 64-bit BAR?
20s in and he divulges the most important fact, great work Wendell.
Can't wait to pick up one of these as well as a 5900x in the new year. Hopefully they will be available by then, but we'll see!
Dang i just grabbed one of these and to see this is amazing. I think imma get a second nvme drive and dual boot Linux this time.
Tuned in to hear more about the 6800 series and wasn't expecting the bombshell that the Vega reset defect has been reliably resolved! That has made my day! Question though to help my understanding: Can Looking Glass handle multiple screens? And is there a virtual display driver for guest VMs so they don't need a GPU to run a display?
Thank you Wendel, I'll take your word for it. Time to retire my old 1050ti in my linux machine and go for 6800xt as it is just some change more than non xt version and I have been putting of gpu upgrade for 2 years.
pliiiizzz more Level1Linux videos!
This made me want a Big Navi card more than any other review out there.
This is so awesome
First off thanks for these types of Linux reviews. I noticed you have an Intel NUC 9 Extreme in the background and that's what I'm running right now. Do you have any recommendations on video cards for the Intel NUC 9 Extreme that work out of the box for Fedora 33?
I was waiting on this video. I knew Wendell would be just giddy.
If I only bought what I could afford, I wouldn't have anything!
#JustDebtorThings
It's good to see that for linux!
I have a question. Do you have dual GPU steup for the VM? or it's possible to have that performance with only one for both OS?
Great news and great video!
Let’s just wait for Radeon 6600/6700 from AMD now.
You are a rockstar!
I never gamed, never will. But you make it something I almost want to do.
Btw, that crocodile thing, that was something Southern. Right?
Any info on the performance on computing and AI tasks?
Day 1 support from AMD and day 1 Linux review. Amazing! Thank you for your work sir.
Hey Wendel! Thanks for the super linux excitment :) Do you know if qubes will work with this? I guess the kernel is way too old.
I recently got very pleasantly surprised when i tested out openrgb. It just worked without any additional configuration needed and now I can finally adjust my rgb ram in linux. (just putting that out there since I’m seeing the rainbow puke in your systems)
Would love to see a benchmark comparison for the new cards with re-sizable BAR enabled/disabled. The amdgpu module already has support for it and set the BAR size to 4GB when I enabled above 4g decoding on my zen2 system with an RX 570
Think i am going to drop one of these in my new system next year
for now i just got the ryzen 7 5800x and and asus prime x570 board and will use my existing rx580 card can't wait to set it up cause its on my desk in boxes :D
Been waiting for the Linux review. Might be time to jump ship to AMD for video as well
I'm not sure if I did this yet, but Thank You Wendel. Between you and Michael Larabel I have confidence my R9 5950X will work, in Linux, (Mint + Mate) with a Noctua NH-U12a, with a 6800, and I can be confident that everything will just work. (No, that's not meant to be a reference to Jensen, that's in spite of him...)
This video was the nail in the coffin for me to order a RX6800. Pleaaase get back in stock. Need that SR-IOV
I haven't run Linux on an AM4 system yet. This makes me very happy. I may have to dive back in again. It seems Linux gaming has made great strides.
I hope it has good templeOs compatibility.
I hope u have enough Grass 😂, all ready till winter 🥳👍😋
You are not welcome among us Linux cultists!
BASED
if only i could get my hands on one of these :)
looks like my next system is going to be team red
No kidding. First Ryzen x900 and now this. I haven't been this excited about new hardware in almost a decade!
What Apple is starting with the M1 - no matter which platform you prefer, this has been a banner year for hardware enthusiasts with more to come!
Nice to see some substantial and meaningful change/jumps in performance.
Hey, you, beautiful person! I wish you would have tested some performance through proton. But, let see what Michael have put together. Thank you! (And heck, yeah, im gonna check out those patches, but.. no clue where i would get use of them, dont use any wm, im gaming on linux with proton/Lutris.)
Ah, the Matrox Millenium. Those were the days. :-)
I want one of these!
Awesome cards, I truly wish to get my hands on a all AMD System for 2021. If fate allows it.
YES! 🎉🎉🎉
I had the Matrox Millenium II, but used it on Windows.
Hey man, gr8 vid. I bought a Dell G5 15 SE with amd ryzen 4600h and rx 5600m. It features amd smartshift power and linux seems to be unstable.People have succesfuly used 5.8 but with broken brightness controls while I tried 5.6.15 with manjaro 20.0.3 and while all controls etc. worked dwm used to crash until amdgpu.runpm =0 is set. Even then the laptop ran hot and eventually one day it stopped booting. I tried a couple of ttx fixes to no lead. I had to uninstall linux only for windows recovery cmd to give more problems while fixing the bootloader. After I messed with admin cmd to removr thr efi folder , dells os profiler crashed and all dell services stopped working. Fortunstely dell had a recovery image from which i repaired and reset windows.
Im thinking new smartshift laptops will come in 2021, could plz make a video to set linux up with smartshift laptops?
It’s amazing, we should really get some people with vision on the side with wayland.
Ha, I had the Matrox Millenia back in the day. I think one reason I bought it was that it may have had OpenStep support. (the first PC I was building was to run OpenStep)
Now sir, I suggest u go back to open bsd 😈
I would love to do VFIO, but I only build compact systems and there is no 12-core APU yet. Once this is changed or SR-IOV is enabled then I'll be good to go. Interestingly enough it seems like Windows can do paravirtualization of GPUs already, but... I'm wanting to change my primary host to Manjaro.
oh this is making me exited
I've been NVIDIA only on all my desktop systems since the Riva128....
But I'm convinced. Sold out here (Australia) already, but that just means I've got a couple of days to do some research and not impulse buy like I probably would have 4 hours ago if they'd been in stock 😂
The way that we handle 2D acceleration in Xorg these days is to run a compositor that uses 3D acceleration for everything, even stuff that is actually 2D. This approach actually works fairly well most of the time.
maybe a new wendell does it guide :) with steps to get the drivers setup etc,. while i get the point that nvidia has it for install driver and play. I've not heard you mention enable this ppa etc yet in this video like with the 580 cards .
Men i'm so gona crack my credit card to buy a full red workstation !! Thanks for the benchmark Wendell :D
Cheers
Cool. I mostly run Windows and been intending to get new card for entertainment and cad. Greens apparently are better for cad, but heck. AMD is on a roll and delivered so well that I think I'm going to get Radeon. Earlier this year already upgraded to Ryzen and it's been ages since I've had "red system". Quickly thinking 9800pro I think was a thing those days and it isn't exactly fresh news 😀
Awesome! Have you tried 6900xt yet? I kinda wanna want for linux. I am getting kinda annoyed at my nvidia card. 🙂
Thank you from everyone on the Ubuntu Desktop team for shining a light 🔦 on the great work AMD have done to make the launch of the RT6000 series cards a compelling proposition for Linux users 🐧 We are aware there are improvements to be made for future GPU launches and plans are already in discussion so we can hopefully do better next time around 👍
I have a 3970 and Designare TRX40 myself, currently with an RTX 3090. I am keenly awaiting the release of the RT6900XT so I can compare the two platforms and how/where the CPU vs. GPU workloads converge. Love that you are providing valuable day 1 launch content to Linux enthusiatiasts 💪
May we have a B550 and X570 motherboards overview video in regards to linux, vm, vfio, iommu, looking glass support etc?
I really want to go down the Linux as "primary os" route with the support of these features.
I would love to receive the guidance of finding (and then to support) the motherboard vendors that supports Linux really well with latest bios, now that AMD does it so well with their cpus and gpus.
Yeah, even before the release I was feeling that my next gpu probably will be Radeon. They just do drivers for linux well nowdays.
I think it could be a very enjoyable hour to watch a conversation between Anthony from LTT and Wendell from Level1.
could you do a video of these cards working on esxi ? GPU pass-thru on esxi in the past has been a bit fiddly, I'm currently running esxi v6.7 would be good to see how these cards work before upgrading (if/when I can get my hands on one :( ) thanks