I'm glad you clarify that Yedora's ability just alters what the face-down permanent enters as, and isn't an "effect" that makes them a Forest land. That was raising some flags for me, and I can imagine players being confused but what you said makes sense. BQ1: I believe you could not flip the Branch using it's disguise cost, as the static ability of Blood Moon applies to all non-basic lands no matter where they are so it would just be a mountain on the other side. You can't show the disguise cost "if it were face up" because if it were face up it'd be a mountain. BQ2: Dress Down doesn't affect the front side (which is a land) so it would still have a disguise cost to demonstrate "if it were face up" BQ3: I don't think the blood moon has any effect, other than turning your face down card which is a non-basic forest into a non-basic mountain. The bottom side can still demonstrate a disguise cost "if it were face up" so you can still pay that to turn it face up. BQ4: You could not pay the disguise cost because, as mentioned in the previous answers, you cannot demonstrate a disguise cost "if it were turned face up" because if it were turned face up it would not have one. BQ5: This one's the trickiest I think, but I also think I have the right answer. You could not turn it face up for it's Disguise cost as you could not demonstrate that cost given the dress down on the battlefield. I think you CAN still turn it face up for its {1}{U}{U} mana cost since that's not an ability and is just a special action you can take with manifested cards that are face down. Of course, this won't trigger the coveted falcon because it has no abilities.
BQ 1: I don't think you can flip it because revealing the back side of the card would just "show" a basic mountain. BQ 2: Revealing the back of Branch shows a land - that's not affected by Dress Down - similar to how a fetch land wouldn't be. BQ3: Yes, because revealing the back side shows a card type not affected by Blood Moon. BQ4: I don't think you can, the revealed creature has no abilities. BQ5 : I think you can for 3 mana since that's a special ability, not a creature ability. You couldn't for 1B since that's a creature ability in the text box. As never having played with Morph, this one was really hard!
Bonus question 5 is a bit trickier but I'm going to try: I think Manifest/Cloak isn't an ability of the face down permanent but a continuous effect from another spell or ability. So under a Dress Down you could still flip it face up for its mana cost, but again you can't pay its Disguise cost because you check the characteristics when its face up while flipping it and under Dress Down it would have no abilities.
Yup, correct. You can flip it via the Manifest but not via the Disguise. To flip via Manifest is a Special Action and it's not an ability that the creature has, so it can't be removed by the Dress Down. Well done.
Yay, a 10 minute video. I eat at work while watching your videos so it's always nice to have a longer episode. I usually just watch some other Magic stuff afterwards it's nice to focus on the tough scenarios and whatnot while I eat.
That's really cool. I watch a lot of other Magic content creators like the Commander VS guys and The Command Zone while I'm eating. It's cool to know I'm helping to entertain others out there.
Newer magic player here: Q1: you cannot flip the branch because as it is a land on the front side, blood moon making it a mountain removes the disguise ability. Q2: dress down does not effect the front side of the branch so therefore you may flip the card face up for the disguise cost. Q3: blood moon makes the forest land side a mountain, but it doesn’t not effect the front side of experiment twelve so you could still flip it face up using the disguise ability. Q4: dress down effects the front side of experiment twelve removing the disguise ability and therefore you may not flip it face up using the ability. Q5: I’m not very sure of this one. I think you could not flip it face up using disguise because of the dress down, but you could turn it face up because Vannifar does not give the cloaked card the ability to flip that is just something cloaked cards can do. So you could flip it face up for its mana cost of blue, blue, one generic.
Very well, for a new player you have a fantastic grasp of these mechanics. How new is new? It's always really surprising to me to see newer players comment here as I just assume folks that have been playing a few years are the ones looking to get this deep into the rules.
Q1: you won’t be able to flip because blood moon will remove the disguise ability from the land. Q2: you will be able to flip the land since turning face up is a special action and dress down won’t modify the disguise ability of the land. Q3: similarly, blood moon will not remove the disguise ability from the creature (which is now a mountain when face down). You will be able to flip. Q4: also similarly, dress down will remove the disguise ability from the creature. You will not be able to flip. Q5: you will only be able to flip if you can pay the cloak cost. Dress down will remove the disguise ability but the cloak is not an ability given to the creature, rather it is an effect that applies while the card is face down.
So for the BQs at the end, the static effects on the enchantments, it comes down to how the effect the front side, right? If so, I think I have the first 4 questiins, but #5 I'm very unsure of.
Correct, their abilities do care what the Face Up side would be. Take a shot in #5, what do you think is the answer, or possible answers, give multiple possibilities.
Questions 1 through 4 all follow the same logic just reversed. Early in the video it was mentioned how when you flip a card face up you only care about the characteristics of the face up side, so it doesn't matter whether it's Yedora or Disguise when dealing with Blood Moon and Dress Down, just the card types of whatever you're flipping face up. So you can flip Branch under a Dress Down but not a Blood Moon, and you can flip an E. Twelve under a Blood Moon but not a Dress Down.
Pretty sure I got the first 4 questions, but I am not sure of that last one. It sounds like you gave us a hint, you mentioned the "if you only have 2 mana" thing, which makes me think we can do it but not for the disguise. If not for the hint, I wouldn't have any idea.
Q1: No, the card can't be morphed back, it has no ability, it's a mountain Q2: Yes, the morph/disguised creature does not have any ability, dress down has no effect on it, and it doesn't have an effect on the land, which is the one that has the ability to flip Q3: Yes, the blood moon only affects the forest, making it a land, but that doesn't impact the ability of the creature that would be flipped into Q4: No, dress down disables the ability of the creature that would be flipped into Q5: Yes, you can flip it but no, not at 2 mana. Cloaking is a continuous effect that dress down does not disable, but it does disable the 2 mana disguise ability
Without looking at the comments or CR document, I'm going to say 'no' for 1, 2, 3 & 5. My reasoning is that that morph is a special action and one of it's rules states that you can't activate it *if* turning it face up would cause it to loose morph. I assume Desguise has a similar rule.
Okay but what about manifesting Ixidron? With the 'as enters battlefield' phrase, would it turn all other creatures face down or do nothing and be a 2/2 creature?
You're saying that you've Manifested Ixidron? If so, then the Ixidron's ETB ability would not trigger. If you turned the Ixidron face up it would also still not trigger his ETB as he isn't changing any Zones.
Since the face down "forests" from Yedora have no name are multiple of them considered to be "differently named" for the purposes of field of the dead?
Sadly no, an absence of name doesn't count towards that. They do have to have a name of some sort and then have that name be different from the others for it to count. For reference, the CR covering this is 201.2b.
I'm glad you clarify that Yedora's ability just alters what the face-down permanent enters as, and isn't an "effect" that makes them a Forest land. That was raising some flags for me, and I can imagine players being confused but what you said makes sense.
BQ1: I believe you could not flip the Branch using it's disguise cost, as the static ability of Blood Moon applies to all non-basic lands no matter where they are so it would just be a mountain on the other side. You can't show the disguise cost "if it were face up" because if it were face up it'd be a mountain.
BQ2: Dress Down doesn't affect the front side (which is a land) so it would still have a disguise cost to demonstrate "if it were face up"
BQ3: I don't think the blood moon has any effect, other than turning your face down card which is a non-basic forest into a non-basic mountain. The bottom side can still demonstrate a disguise cost "if it were face up" so you can still pay that to turn it face up.
BQ4: You could not pay the disguise cost because, as mentioned in the previous answers, you cannot demonstrate a disguise cost "if it were turned face up" because if it were turned face up it would not have one.
BQ5: This one's the trickiest I think, but I also think I have the right answer. You could not turn it face up for it's Disguise cost as you could not demonstrate that cost given the dress down on the battlefield. I think you CAN still turn it face up for its {1}{U}{U} mana cost since that's not an ability and is just a special action you can take with manifested cards that are face down. Of course, this won't trigger the coveted falcon because it has no abilities.
Well done! I love the detailed breakdown for the answers, and bonus points for the Dress Down stopping the Triggered Ability on it turning face up.
BQ 1: I don't think you can flip it because revealing the back side of the card would just "show" a basic mountain.
BQ 2: Revealing the back of Branch shows a land - that's not affected by Dress Down - similar to how a fetch land wouldn't be.
BQ3: Yes, because revealing the back side shows a card type not affected by Blood Moon.
BQ4: I don't think you can, the revealed creature has no abilities.
BQ5 : I think you can for 3 mana since that's a special ability, not a creature ability. You couldn't for 1B since that's a creature ability in the text box.
As never having played with Morph, this one was really hard!
Well dang man, for having never played Morph you have done a fantastic job with your answer.
Bonus question 5 is a bit trickier but I'm going to try: I think Manifest/Cloak isn't an ability of the face down permanent but a continuous effect from another spell or ability. So under a Dress Down you could still flip it face up for its mana cost, but again you can't pay its Disguise cost because you check the characteristics when its face up while flipping it and under Dress Down it would have no abilities.
Yup, correct. You can flip it via the Manifest but not via the Disguise. To flip via Manifest is a Special Action and it's not an ability that the creature has, so it can't be removed by the Dress Down. Well done.
Danf, how did I miss this episode. It is another brain buster.
A mind melter.
Great information and explanation!
Glad you enjoyed it all.
Yay, a 10 minute video. I eat at work while watching your videos so it's always nice to have a longer episode. I usually just watch some other Magic stuff afterwards it's nice to focus on the tough scenarios and whatnot while I eat.
That's really cool. I watch a lot of other Magic content creators like the Commander VS guys and The Command Zone while I'm eating. It's cool to know I'm helping to entertain others out there.
Newer magic player here:
Q1: you cannot flip the branch because as it is a land on the front side, blood moon making it a mountain removes the disguise ability.
Q2: dress down does not effect the front side of the branch so therefore you may flip the card face up for the disguise cost.
Q3: blood moon makes the forest land side a mountain, but it doesn’t not effect the front side of experiment twelve so you could still flip it face up using the disguise ability.
Q4: dress down effects the front side of experiment twelve removing the disguise ability and therefore you may not flip it face up using the ability.
Q5: I’m not very sure of this one. I think you could not flip it face up using disguise because of the dress down, but you could turn it face up because Vannifar does not give the cloaked card the ability to flip that is just something cloaked cards can do. So you could flip it face up for its mana cost of blue, blue, one generic.
Wow, pretty dang good for a new player. Did you come from another card game?
Very well, for a new player you have a fantastic grasp of these mechanics. How new is new? It's always really surprising to me to see newer players comment here as I just assume folks that have been playing a few years are the ones looking to get this deep into the rules.
Q1: you won’t be able to flip because blood moon will remove the disguise ability from the land.
Q2: you will be able to flip the land since turning face up is a special action and dress down won’t modify the disguise ability of the land.
Q3: similarly, blood moon will not remove the disguise ability from the creature (which is now a mountain when face down). You will be able to flip.
Q4: also similarly, dress down will remove the disguise ability from the creature. You will not be able to flip.
Q5: you will only be able to flip if you can pay the cloak cost. Dress down will remove the disguise ability but the cloak is not an ability given to the creature, rather it is an effect that applies while the card is face down.
Very well done! You got em!
So for the BQs at the end, the static effects on the enchantments, it comes down to how the effect the front side, right? If so, I think I have the first 4 questiins, but #5 I'm very unsure of.
Correct, their abilities do care what the Face Up side would be. Take a shot in #5, what do you think is the answer, or possible answers, give multiple possibilities.
Questions 1 through 4 all follow the same logic just reversed. Early in the video it was mentioned how when you flip a card face up you only care about the characteristics of the face up side, so it doesn't matter whether it's Yedora or Disguise when dealing with Blood Moon and Dress Down, just the card types of whatever you're flipping face up. So you can flip Branch under a Dress Down but not a Blood Moon, and you can flip an E. Twelve under a Blood Moon but not a Dress Down.
Ya got it. Didn't trick you up on any of them.
Pretty sure I got the first 4 questions, but I am not sure of that last one. It sounds like you gave us a hint, you mentioned the "if you only have 2 mana" thing, which makes me think we can do it but not for the disguise. If not for the hint, I wouldn't have any idea.
Yup, I did add a little hint in there by mentioning the two mana bit. I figured it would help push in the right direction.
Q1: No, the card can't be morphed back, it has no ability, it's a mountain
Q2: Yes, the morph/disguised creature does not have any ability, dress down has no effect on it, and it doesn't have an effect on the land, which is the one that has the ability to flip
Q3: Yes, the blood moon only affects the forest, making it a land, but that doesn't impact the ability of the creature that would be flipped into
Q4: No, dress down disables the ability of the creature that would be flipped into
Q5: Yes, you can flip it but no, not at 2 mana. Cloaking is a continuous effect that dress down does not disable, but it does disable the 2 mana disguise ability
Nice, saw other comments and I think I got it right
Very good! You got them all.
Without looking at the comments or CR document, I'm going to say 'no' for 1, 2, 3 & 5. My reasoning is that that morph is a special action and one of it's rules states that you can't activate it *if* turning it face up would cause it to loose morph. I assume Desguise has a similar rule.
Take another look at them. Three of the five will be a yes and two will be no.
Okay but what about manifesting Ixidron? With the 'as enters battlefield' phrase, would it turn all other creatures face down or do nothing and be a 2/2 creature?
You're saying that you've Manifested Ixidron? If so, then the Ixidron's ETB ability would not trigger. If you turned the Ixidron face up it would also still not trigger his ETB as he isn't changing any Zones.
Since the face down "forests" from Yedora have no name are multiple of them considered to be "differently named" for the purposes of field of the dead?
Sadly no, an absence of name doesn't count towards that. They do have to have a name of some sort and then have that name be different from the others for it to count. For reference, the CR covering this is 201.2b.