The Problem With Bosses In Genshin Impact
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Genshin Impact's world is rich with bosses with varying designs and mechanics, yet lately it feels like the bosses lack the satisfaction and depth you would experience from other RPGs. Today I wanted to go over some problems with bosses in Genshin Impact.
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I was interested in this game before but it doesn't have europe server.
Yes, nice. But the game is not available in my region. 😢
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The problem is that in the overworld they are just too squishy while in the Abyss they are mostly annoying.
its just in overworld there is no timer to irritate players.
@@_mask_ They should have created one via either special mechanics or changes in the environment
@@rsfakqj10rsf-33 oceanid does.
@@rsfakqj10rsf-33 the most annoying enemy, yk the ruin serpent and wenut that live basically underground...there was such an easy way to make them less butthurt for abyss... its making their models 2 times longer. While it goes underground, you do dmg to it, and when it fully sinks, it instantly goes up in another location, without stalling for half an hour.
And then there’s the fact that you’re likely going to be fighting the boss at least a dozen times in the ow, so I understand why they get bursted down so easily. Just a weird situation
I think you overlooked one of the worst aspect of bosses: all of them have incredibly long/annoying downtime that artifically lengthens the fight, which is only compounded in abyss. I get that they don't want you to be able to one shot every boss, but really how fun is it watching Wolf run laps around the arena, or have Signora turn into a popsicle while we wait around for butterflies to spawn. And without fail each new boss has a phase like this, and each time just makes me roll my eyes and forget having any fun fighting them.
And that issue is strongly enhanced by how often the game makes you fight these bosses, all these timewaster moves are so annoying and tedious to sit through because you had to wait for them 50 times already.
this guy gets it
The only reason is just to slow us down
For some aspect of the bosses, this just feels like instant-gratification creep. Some other stuff do feel as if they should be streamlined like multi-runs (like every other gacha game out here ffs!) for mere domains instead of spending only 1 condensed resin or 20 resin at a time. Or perhaps condensed resin can also function as a "skip ticket". Think of something like auto-cooking unlocks: with enough normal runs as qualifiers players can skip the fight and just pay the resin.
Abyss is an issue because of micromanagement for HP and energy due to rollover to next chamber, and then DPS race that's been a thing since fking V1.0 & resets having to face chamber 1 again. Other than that, I like the phases breaking up each boss fight so the game also doesn't just become 1EQ2EQ3EQ4EQSpamLeftClick near-mindless flowchart. But to fix this... Well... Is everyone okay with increasing even an optional anxiety level of this game? 😂
Nobody:
Absolutely no one:
Wenut: Amateurs.
I think a big problem with bosses in Genshin is just how many times you need to fight them in order to get enough of a specific material. Beating the same boss 50 times just to get enough mats for a single character is going to be tedious, no matter how good the fight is. If you need those mats for multiple characters, it gets exponentially worse.
And being at max WL doesn't even guarantee that you get more drops. Getting 20 for the final ascension can take anywhere between 7-10 runs. Stupid.
I think this problem is joined at the hip with their ridiculous resin cost. There’s no reason for a world boss to cost a whopping 40 resin. It allows for max 4 fights per day (more realistically 3 if you have any irl commitments and can’t micromanage resin seamlessly). So we can get only 6-10 drops per day, which makes ascending one character take a literal WEEK of spending all resin exclusively on that boss and nothing else. That’s just tedious with no upsides whatsoever. The only thing worse is when you’re Mora-locked and have to farm leylines, which are again mindnumbingly easy and tedious.
Vars: Talking about how devs should make more reasons to fight bosses, saying how good it was to run a boss multiple hundred of times in one month
baka_monogatari: oh, yes, it is tedious how you need to fight the same boss 50 times to get mats
@@Romashka_Sov this only shows that there are always different personal preferences on the same matter. Vars has a bad habit of assuming everyone’s brain is wired the same way his is, it’s not his first video where he states what essentially is an opinion as a universal fact and “that would benefit the game if it was this way”. So I think comments which express a different point of view are a good contribution to the discussion, if he’s reading his feedback.
@@jeremiahsmith916 probably wouldnt call it a bad habit in this videos case, he does have a pretty good point here, the only reason to fight bosses is for 1 specific purpose for each boss, weeklys for talent mats, world bosses for character mats, if we had 2 or 3 other things to look forward to when grinding them out it would probably be a better experience overall, and difficulty is a definite inconsistency with genshins design
I think another problem is that hoyo equates difficulty with tedium. The wenut in the new spiral abyss isn't a hard boss at all. It barely attacks you, its just spends most of the fight untargetable and wastes your time.
Exactly. Waiting doesn't equal difficulty. If they want to add a more interesting boss, you can't just put some inv frames on it, but you have to make it DO SOMETHING.
It’s a deeper problem than that. The only way they know of to make “challenging” content is putting a timer on it.
The thing is, this type of boss is sort of necessary to counteract "national" style teams... the ones that drop a bunch of buffs and then unleash a ton of damage. And there do need to be things that encourage/reward other styles of play. Yeah, it'd be better if Hoyoverse just flat out nerfed Benny, Xingqiu, and the like. But they won't, despite how they warp the META. So instead, we get things like this, or the water slowing effect, to say, "Hey, try something else."
My main problem with Wenut wasn't/isn't his mechanics. After all, it isn't like the various other times when they threw mega-HP check bosses at us were exactly free of frustration either. No, what sucks the most about Wenut was that, to try different teams against him, meant playing through chamber 1, 2, and half of 3 each time. That was where the majority of my time was wasted, not on him being underground.
With the current reset, using the same enemies, it wasn't a problem. I knew what I needed, brought the same teams as last time, and 36 starred, no problem, first try.
@@Axterix13 i wish abyss was like that event we had where you go through rounds and they randomly ban one character you can use in a specific round.
@@Axterix13 Hmm...
>> An enemy family or field condition that weakens the potency or duration of buff talents on-hit? (e.g. Fantastic Voyage, Guide to Afterlife, Ganyu's A1 Passive, Nahida's Burst)
>> Bypasses damage reduction effects? (Xingqiu's Rainswords, but not active shields)
>> Takes reduced damage from off-field characters?
>> Becomes more aggressive (higher attack damage and speed) for X seconds if 100+ Energy was spent on Elemental Bursts within Y seconds.
>> Enemy attacks score critical hits on characters who were healed within X seconds.
>> Enemy regenerates HP if the player switches characters twice within X seconds.
>> Takes reaction damage as if the triggering character had X% less Elemental Mastery.
>> Becomes enraged if Vaporized or Melted damage was dealt to it.
I can already say without watching the video, that bosses who spend most of the time "untouchable" are the worst. That fucking anemo piece of shit worm is the worst offender of them all and putting it into abyss was the shittiest move Mihoyo could have ever done.
Honorable mention goes to Azdaha that has two long animations during which you cannot damage him at all and all it does is just waste your time for absolutely no reason.
IIRC Azdaha was given that long animation to prevent 1-shots which was a trend back then and still is I think
Which admittedly was annoying since not everybody could and would do that
i dont mind bosses having phases to prevent one shots. just, dont make every phase change a fucking trilogy
honestly the Wenut doesn't even spend that much time underground, I think the ruin serpent is a lot worse since it moves faster and doesn't really poke its body out of the ground ever
I get it if the boss is gone for like 3-5 secs, but some of these are impossible more than half of the fight,
My personal problem with the bosses is that a lot of them punish you for wanting to use the unit you're trying to level.
Same with early domains
Pyro artifacts has pyro enemies and same for others
@@hayond656 Yep. I get the logic behind why they did that... but I hate that they chose that direction. It really should be the opposite. You should be encouraged to use the characters you're trying to improve.
may i add that the idea that you fight the boss to get materials to level up a character irrespective of whether you actually use said character is so dumb when they couldve gone with something along the lines of 'if you fight this boss with this character they get more xp than from other bosses and thus level up faster'
@@hayond656 I had to use my razor the whole time trying to get Blizzard strayer pieces because everything in the domain has complete immunity to cryo attacks.
@@ssspike1696 Tho you can just Co-op and use them anyways or something lol
I just wait for the Pyro teammates to take out the Shield before I start Attacking
I use Childe btw
Acquaint fates should be given out more, making them rare drops from weekly bosses would be nice
Mihoyo doesn't want you to have free acquiant fates, they want you to spend money on the standard banner.
That’s a great idea actually maybe also make them drop artefact from their region will be nice too
@@shemage5932 ICANT
@@shemage5932 a couple extra isn't gonna stop anyone from buying acquaints if they were already going to buy some
@@shemage5932 what kind of idiot will spend their money on it?
Hoyoverse sees difficulty as "just add more HP or resistances" instead of having players actually think. They also have a huge problem with rewarding players for anything. A boss can drop materials for a new craftable weapon, or new "color swapped" skins, or even unique crafting materials for teapot furniture! I think the boss designs themselves are amazing, but the rewards need something to spice them up and give us a reason to actually fight them.
Tru. I wish we had actual one shot mechanics in the overworld and abyss instead of HP bloat. Thats why I love the Raiden fight, it comes closest to the concept of a challenging boss, mechanics wise
Well said
Personally speaking, the last (maybe only) interesting boss ever introduced is Kenki. Packs a punch, doesn't stall (but distances himself from you) and it's always attacking.
A man of few words. Has coolest animations. Has lore which isn’t married to a local archon. Even has a TCG card which wields dual elements and is very powerful when played right. I stan Maguu Kenki. I would main Maguu Kenki.
To me Kenki is by far the best Boss open map from genshin
It has cool designs, cool patterm attck, you can slap it from many different ways / teams and it has barely no immune phase.
Worth to mention, Raiden weeekly boss also has another fantastic boss fight. Which isnt too far from kenki and vice-versa
Not quite true. Apart from it's long startup-animation where it slowly stands up while invincible, it also becomes invincible after loosing ~30% HP while it transitions to phase 2. It's bearable, but it is stalling nonetheless.
@@RennSakayagi
yeah, it's annoying he does that but at least it's not like Azhdaha with his 3 hour long movies playing for each 3rd of his life taking off.
@@RennSakayagi i dont think its actually bad the slow the slow startup allows to farm energy for free tho i think it is stupid that the timer runs even before u start a fight and the the 5 sec of invincibility after losing 30% is way better than the wenuts 5 seconds of not being invincible after u pop the bubble
As a College student who is often strapped for time, i appreciate being able to blow through Genshin’s daily content in under 30 minutes. When I have free time, I’m a bit sad there’s not more to do.
Yeah there should be somewhere to sink time in the game, but not just another difficulty bump.
My ideal addition is a randomly generated dungeon that's populated with random enemies, with some way to influence what type of enemy spawns. Somewhere I can just sit and farm enemy drops from, instead of hunting through the overworld for the scattered enemies.
Agree with this, when you are in collage or work 40 minutes is already too long..
Weird thing is, I never have any problem with fromsoft/souls Bourne series, the concept is the same but I don't know, the boss in Abbys is just sponge..
@@SeanCrosser You see that’s called adding more content something that rabid genshin casuals will curse u into oblivion for asking
That's the point, i have a full time work, so can't play all day, so be able to start the game and do all the important things (dailys and spend resin) in a few minutes is ok, but man, sometimes i have a free day or i have a morning shift so i have a few hours to play and is SO SAD don't have absolutely nothing to do in one of your favorite games, omg
@@amari7782 ...Or maybe the people touting that idea thought of the premise but don't actually know how to implement that idea outside "Get Good Scrub"
No one enjoys farming for artifact and its presumptuous to assume that like Abyss once the rewards are gone its not just development time down the drain.
"More Content" never means real engagement it's just adding a p2w mentality into a pve game for people who like being try hards
Its like the dumb World level Argument making a Hilichurl LV 200 doesn't add difficulty it just makes a 0.5 second encounter take longer.
TLDR people aren't suggesting fixes or changes they don't care about balance or engagement they want a reason to justify spending there time grinding
3:02 The Pyro regisivine is in Liyue...
I do really wish Genshin bosses were more impressive and challenging. I'd like if more of them were part of world quests, and had special mechanics for the first fight to make the initial battle more difficult, but keeping the future fights more fun.
Making things you need to grind too difficult can just make it feel far tedius.
I wanted someone else to mention this too. 💀
imo the cubes have ok mechanics already, it's just that they NEED to be utilized more than just as "Stop the boss from reviving"
@@Paperbag34 except dendro cube needing a dendro character or some form of dendro, which it is generally immune to. That's a trash mechanic. Although if I get Baizhu it'll definitely be more useful hehe
I mean the PMA is in a world quest in sumeru. The stone lock quest or something. You have to take down the PMA and you get lux chest precious chest and some small ones. The idea is being implemented as we speak.
@@ashtro5545 Excuse me: PMA is also the acronym used for the *Perpetual Mechanical Array* located in Inazuma.
Genshin Spiral Abyss is way too hard for the rewards that it gives out. I don't mind spiral abyss being the hardest content in the game if there are more endgame modes like Labyrinth warriors or Perilous Trials two of my favorite Genshin events ever.
Fighting centric events are regularly more fun and have better rewards than the abyss.
Just adding HP doesn't make stuff more challenging, it just makes the fights longer and give more chances for the bad designs of some bosses and monsters to shine.. So much for the "hardest content of the game", it's just a lazy attempt at making players want to farm more
Yeah. The spiral abyss rewards are pure garbage. I do not understand why they don't increase the primogenes rewards.
The worst part is when the abyss has enemies that are just straight-up resistant to certain types of damage. I literally cannot get past floor 11 chamber 1 because of that stupid electro scorpion, and I have an aggravate team for that lmao.
Agree. I have several teams I consider "built", but depending on the current enemies, their element/resistance and attack pattern (stupid I-frames, flying) it's a pain in the ass to beat. I usually try every round, but if it starts getting too stupid in the later floors (usually 12-2, or 12-3) i just quit. I'm not gonna get bent out of shape over missing 50-100 primos
you can't even get 1 wish from 1 floor of spiral abyss. same with AR rewards. they are so low and garbage.
A Future Update in Genshin Impact should be where condensed resin can work on Bosses with Ley Lines and Domains
Sometimes I take a break from genshin come back and EACH TIME I condense my resin for bosses then remember I can't use it. EACH TIME. I wish condensed resin worked for bosses so bad.
That would make my life so much easier. I don’t care I’ll waste one of my 1000 crystalflys, hoyo, I want to farm a boss
At that point they should just let you roll multiple copies of X amount of resin and can crush the condensed and fragile resin inside the instance to turn it back into resin...another dang problem i had with honkai impact`s universal mirage cause they never had a auto clear if you already EZ clear the instance to invalidate the reason to go thru the fight again or simply doing one fight for say, 2 or even 6 instances of loot to save a good 5~10 minutes of repeated runs.
Point n case might as well just go to titles that are more generous and actually address tedium things like Punishing Gray Raven does and i certainly will enjoy doing a comparison gag of on-release Wuthering Waves VS current version Genshin impact, once the former is out on the global side of things.
Thars a reason why my joke with Miho-verse type games is they are more visual novel instead of actual game, because if they were actually more about the game, they would tighten up problematic and tedious elements and maybe think to include future proof systems like ways to speed up the grind for newer players to get into the game (instead of skipping entire regions and resources by abusing low world level gags) and put actual systems that REWARD players for long term play...
Which is seriously funny that the only real bits to `reward` players for long-term is things like name plate cards and a thin texture of glider winds that is locked more behind months upon month of grinding, instead of defeating particular bosses...
Even unlockable emotes and fragments to make relics and mythic gear back when i played Wakfu feels more rewarding then what Miho-verse based games are too stingie to even pull, but i guess they are too lazy to want to have every character be able todo a particular dance emote, even if it would be awesome to have a bunch of characters do Caramel Dansen after being one particular world boss.
for this to be a thing and lineup with how it currently works then boss resin amounts would have to drop to 20 which would be dope, 40 feels like too much.
3:02 pretty sure other people have already pointed it out, but Pyro regisvine is also in Liyue. Even Barbara needs to go to Liyue to farm her boss drops. And Noelle too. In the beginning of the game, bosses were much more focused on their element, so if you were geo, you had to go to Liyue, if you were Cryo, you had to go to Mondstadt and so on
Which actually made sense in terms of gameplay.. Killing a geo mecha to get Nilou's stuff to then only have to farm the Hydro bosses to get the crystals gets boring even faster..
I think we player liked to find reason for the bosses to be linked to a certain character, maybe there was when they had no other incentive, but nowadays it seems the only logic Mihoyo uses is "new character=new boss mats" and don't go further
@@MadRaiiden yep and the first they did this was with shenhe atleast with the example vars gave mika hes an explorer he makes maps and stuff thats his deal so its not that crazy for his mats to be in a different region but Shenhes mats are in enkanomia THEREs litteraly 0 connection shes never even left lyue and barely anyone except for traveler has even been in enkanomia it makes no sense. shenhe dosnt even know that enka exists
@@MadRaiiden doesn't the drake drop hydro crystals?
@@k0k0m0n Wait it does! I only killed him a couple of times to start farming in advance for Nilou's rerun and didn't get a single hydro one, thanks for making me double check! :D
My example was bad then haha
Yelan, Heizou, and Shinobu defo have that issue though ^^
@@MadRaiiden i think mika is the worst one so far, he is a cryo character from mondstadt....the cryo regisvine already has a lot of characters that use it but the cryo cube is RIGHT THERE, only used by a trash colab character and End User License Agreement that's been stuck in the HoyoBasementTM for more than 1 year, but NOOOOO let's make mika use the ANEMO boss from all the way in the desert! sounds like a great idea right?
I feel like the worst part in genshin bosses is that they're more annoying than challanging
Take the Setekh Wenut for example
It doesn't require any more strategizing than other bosses, it's just immune to dmg 50%of the time and annoying as hell to get to
Spot on
An incredible amount of games don't seem to get the difference between challenging and annoying. A lot of players too. Genshin definitely falls into that pit, which sucks since the combat and characters is so good :/
@@MadRaiiden I know right! It's lore characters designs and atmosphere are just magical! Ans then their bosses....are either frustrating or just tanky
Like come on now, slapping a higher atk or hp doesn't makw the boss that much harder and definitely not more interesting, just slower to deal with!
@@user-vt5qg7hj1mI feel like the electro scorpion and Pyro Bird combination is more challenging than most bosses. Those two fuckers dont have frustrating gimmick(long ass invulnerability like Wolflord and Wenut) they just do smash and makes you appreciate how strong overload is, lol
@@gktte2574 TRUE they actually forced me to dodge and learn their attack patterns (I usually just healer spam lmao)
I don't love them but they are a MUCH better example of a difficult (not annoying or just tanky!) enemy
@@user-vt5qg7hj1m fr like, i had this anime training arc shit about dodging because of them. At the end, they taught me how to not rely on Zhongli always lol
I think a big problem for me is that it feels like actually killing the bosses comes entirely down to how strong my characters are rather than how well I play. Maybe this is just because I'm a mobile player but I feel like the only form of counterplay for a challenge you can't beat 90% of the time is just switching out your characters
I'm AR 51 and many bosses still kick my ass so each time you repeat how awfully easy they are I die a little inside
Let me join your world, I'll show you his point. 😅 No need to feel bad.
it's mostly the AR55+ people who says this, when your dps has a great build with a 5 star weapon and all your supports are built too the game becomes easy so the only challenge you'll get is through abyss. You'll get there lmao
Don’t worry most of us only start to really farm for certain comps and characters after AR 55+
The boss drop should've include the craft able billets. They rarely drop anyway from weekly boss, so might as well make them come from other boss aside from the weeklies.
you're unironically better off taking a break so you get stellar reunion if you're F2P than farming bosses for that FUCKING GREAT SWORD BILLET
@@BBP-OMO might be great idea in the past. But unfortunately two times I took a break they give Prototype Sword and Mappa Mare, I think they changed the reward into randomize craftable weapons.
Actually, the billet drops are what makes me beat every weekly boss. And only yesterday did I get the first sword billet, the new one from the dendro dragon. Well, it would be nice if regular bosses could drop billets, too.
@@stribijev it doesn't matter even if the rate was horrible like maybe 0.001% for the regular boss as long as there's a chance. But currently limiting the billets only from weekly bosses really a hard chance.
@@nurusds3 the reward is just a chest that lets you pick what billet you want now.
I always think the way genshin's gacha is set up is holding the game back a little bit. There are so many things that they could do that would improve the gameplay experience for players like being able to craft some of the currently gacha only four stars and the standard banner 5 star weapons or adding earnable character fragments so u can slowly earn a character like in honkai or cookie run. but they will never do it cuz it will hurt their bottom dollar.
adding those things attached to bosses would make them so much more enticing to fight
Yeah, from reading all the comments, basically the entire issue always ends up boiling down to the gacha system preventing necessary fixes. Which sucks, because Genshin being a gacha game is the only reason it's able to be as good as it is. It's the saddest thing.
@Aloysius Devadander Abercrombie yeah it's also weird since their sister game has those mechanics in the shop and foundry. Maybe it's also that I feel that a good gacha let's u have most if not all the characters but makes u pull more to make them super strong. Makes casual gamers feel good by getting to experiment with all playstyles and stories and let's hard-core people whale to be better than everyone else.
@@exo_eve7575 I’d like Honkai’s fragment system as well for constellations in Genshin, but I can’t see it happening as long as people continue to be addicted to gambling for 4* despite no pity to get a specific one of the three per banner.
That said, when I played Honkai Impact 3rd for a month, I basically ignored “my” team because so much of the story content gave trial characters and trial equipment.
People like to point to specific early characters for being broken, but yeah I think this is a much bigger issue.
The power gap between people who pay + people who play like monks for a year to fully dump resources and hyper invest in a single unit and the people who don't is incredibly large. Even putting a moderate amount of investment in a small core team vs spreading the resources out can make it dramatically more powerful.
To be clear, by spreading out I don't mean investing in everyone you have or under investing in your top performing teams. I'm talking about people who hyper invest in 1 niche to the point where they can even brute force through those teams' weaknesses vs investing in a larger variety of characters to fill different roles & cover for lackluster areas.
The power gaps make it impossible to fairly balance the game in a way that makes it challenging, yet fun and engaging across the spectrum. Forget the specific early 4* suspects people usually point to, they're just a symptom of the problem, not a root cause.
As long as MHY continue to use these conflicting design philosophies of making top heavy p2w gacha gearing & trying to design content that is balanced across a wide spectrum of players these problems will continue to persist.
As someone who fought Raiden boss 3000 times, I crave for a boss like her. I know, some people tought she was easy in the first day, but she was very different from other bosses when she came out. You can have fun against her with multiple characters unlike azdaha where you will mostly see ganyu users. But I understoood with Scaramouche that the big hp bar was not the thing that made me happy, and not only the dodging either. As you said, we need a true challenge.
The best part about Raiden boss is that there's no gimmicks, No stalling mechanic, no debuffs. Just you, the Shogun and the Plane of Euthymia
@@nandhitanarendratmaja1302 EXACTLY
Exactly
She's the best boss for valid reasons
I agree with you but I also find her Susanoo state incredibly boring to get through.
But I do think Raiden is one of the only bosses in the game that show actual potential for really challenge and not just added layer of annoyance over an easy kill (Kenki also has some of that)
Like the other person said, no gimmicks, no stalling and bad debuffs. Only you and the boss (though again I do consider the shield phase to be a gimmicky stalling mechanic for the shogun)
A higher world level would be great. Even billets instead of boss materials at a higher world level would at least be something. The amount of end game players is only going to grow and it seems like Hoyo has no interest in adding anything challenging, also I think Hoyo might confuse challenging and annoying a little too often.
I really like the idea of getting guaranteed billet instead of boss drops throught leveling your world level
I feel like weekly bosses should be guaranteed to drop either a billet or a dream solvent if you do them on the highest level. I mean come on, if you already can't control which specific reward you get, at least you should be able to get the materials needed to transform said rewards into the ones you need.
@@shemage5932 Agreed. It feels like trolling that Hoyo's help with drop RNG was a random drop.
Hoyo unironically wants you to stop playing Genshin once you hit endgame. They get much more revenue from the unending waves of new players, they have no reason to cater to or even respect long time players.
They can't add anything challenging, it might cause anxiety lol
I thought there couldn't be any boss worse than the metal worm but hoyo proved me wrong real fast
Its the same boss
We nut is just metal worm but with anemo!
Can't wait to get to Fontaine to fight the Oceanid Worm.
Gotta love that the most passive and tedious boss gets 55% resistance to everything (and 90% to Anemo) while retaining its 2 million hp and insanely long time-wasting animations.
Seeing how many Genshin players are obsessed with artifact farming, giving bosses artifact set that are exclusive to weekly/world bosses are one way to motivate players to farm them
I just wish they're not 4 sets if that happens
Maybe they can do that thing the forgotten 4 star artifacts does and have a 1 set bonus
As long as they’re not exclusive artifact sets
If it goes like that then I think every Genshin player is going straight to the asylum
Genshin is starting to feel like an iPhone. Bringing updates to the game/phone that other games/phones already had for a year already 😂 still hoping for artifact presets🤞
Making bosses more challenging and balancing that with better rewards can certainly benefit the experience. If you want to go the opposite route however there is the option of adding the cooking system to the bosses where if you beat one a set number of times (5, 10 etc.) you'll unlock an option to exchange resin for the rewards and skip the battle entirely.
Wow, I actually much prefer this idea. I'm a college student, and while I'd love to spend time grinding and tryharding to beat challenging content, world bosses already take up weeks of your time just to level up one character. Making the actual fights harder would just make me stop playing the game because it'd take too much time to make characters fun to use, and nobody wants lesser rewards just because they can't spend enough time playing. Having a system where the bosses are harder and take longer, but by fighting them enough you can make up the sunken time, would be absolutely perfect
Maybe like cookie run kingdom where they have 2 different currencies/items that allows you to skip things. One for things like the bounties, another for things like the train.
so honkai way. i kinda betting that they would do this thought in the far future like 6. something like honki
The thing with genshin is that (if I compare this to pokemon) you already have all pokemons on level 100, whales even get the perfect IV’s and EV’s, but the game is only released until gym 5. That’s why those bosses feel easy, but if you start new account now, they are gonna feel really hard for a long time until you get some strong units to carry you.
A good idea would be to add the region specific 4* weapons to world bosses and at least the standard 5* to weekly bosses.
I've always wanted genshin to introduce weapons to bosses, with a very small chance to appear. And i thought it would be neat if there were two versions of the weapon, one that is a skin(like the community has been asking for) and one that has actual stats. And maybe the actual weapon has a lower drop rate. That way you can either go for a weapon for its stats, or go for it because it looks cool.
If you have to beat the boss periodically for material collection it is always going to be a flawed system and you cannot tell me otherwise
this will always exist in games that have bosses. there needs to be incentive otherwise its a useless boss
I like how the Hypostasis were changed for the event dungeons with more hp and new attacks. I think they can do this for all overworld bosses with a final world level increase.
The problem is that it is way too easy to make these Bosses trivial if you have the right team composition. For example if you have Zhongli then you'll be emerging from each of those battles with Full HP because his shield is just that broken or if you have Bennet then you'll be dealing so much damage it'll take you but few moments to beat them. Once again, the problem lies not in the bosses themselves, but in the balance of playable characters.
Yeah as someone who started playing last month with only having Ayaka as my first 5 star while being barely even built these bosses are destroying me.
I would definitely like to see more bosses built around team comps and mechanics than raw damage or invincibility segments, watching youtubers struggle to make proper teams bc they only know bennet+zhongli drives me crazy
But they can't buff the enemies stats too much or else the old characters wouldn't be able to even beat them but then again most players tend to roll for newer characters so i don't think it'll be too much of a problem
well is true about some units be far more OP than other but the bosses are still too easy, the first time you'll face it they may seem hard, but when you learn the pattern, they are very easy to dodge, sure the shield make easier the figths, the main reason i will pick a shield is to figth azdaha to avoid the DoT debuff.
@@tinydragon5447 kinda reminds me of my boy Cwack on Crack who has basically build his entire channel by making meme build videos except each of those is literally just Bennett showcase lmao
9:10 love the Dehya showcase, she just looked at the cryo regisvine and it was dead a second later. Truly a character
The other problem with bosses is the following: It's easy in open world and they are just straight up unfair in abyss because of the lot of E frames they have in a TIME BASED challenge.
And they don't drop anything in abyss so they can be hard to people for no other reason that their level are high, they take more damage and those E frames can make you lose the challenge.
yeah wenut, barely does any damage but under the floor 70% of the time
That’s a problem with the abyss design itself. Hoyoverse is using time and hp bars to make artificial difficulty. I bet if wenut had 1/3 the hp it has now nobody would be complaining
@@TechyCatz No they'd still complain its funny that a lot of the critiques seem more about the Wenut while excluding other aspects of the Abyss
Like People complained about the Ruin Guards coming one at a time but its a effective way of adding difficulty. The Beast are Extremely aggressive and can knock you back and one shot you
A bunch of other bosses and combination that are actually cleverly placed but get ignored by try hards
A lot of people think its always "time wasting bosses" but its usually not
You really said a lot of good points. I often find myself not finding enough motivation to fight bosses as they became a chore for me at this point. An interesting mechanic to make us fight world bosses/week bosses would increasing the billet drop rate, giving artifacts of said boss's element(like TF for electro cube). I could go on and on but you get the gist.
If bosses can chase you to a certain distance in the overworld that would be interesting. Basically, a larger arena but with overworld mechanics or maybe we need to utilize the bouncy mushroom to deal plunging attack. I think it's more fun and interesting that way.
The cryo cube in Dragonspine is so useless, only Aloy and Eula need them and Aloy isn't even obtainable anymore! They don't like having new characters to old bosses even though Mika would have made perfect sense to have his drops from the cryo cube! (He works a lot in Dragonspine, his from Mondstadt, he's cryo!).
The second worse is the vishap bosses in Ekanomiya because it's locked behind a long quest and only useful for Shenhe and Yae. (I know there's other bosses that are only useful for a few characters but at least those aren't locked behind a quest as long as the vishaps!)
This this this.
So dumb.
Yes they should give character mats on bosss of their respective region
Yeah, it would be nice if a lot of the bosses drops weren’t useful for only a small amount of characters, though it is also something I’m grateful for when there’s an element of that boss that makes them irritating to fight and not because of difficulty. (Hydro boss in liyue taking forever because you have to fight phases of hydro clones, how the thunder manifestation would be so much less of a pain if it just stopped moving sometimes, the dendro hypostasis not being completable without a dendro unit, which can’t even damage it. And let’s not get into the weekly bosses problems, especially Azdaha. I hate that guy’s fight so much
That's why I think bosses' drops should have more uses besides ascending characters. For example the Enkanomiya's vishaps could have an use in Watatsumi for example, or maybe in an Enkanomiya's expansion( The place has so much lore with Istaroth's presence there and the Vishaps, it could easily become an entire nation content-wise). I just started farming it because I got Shenhe after an year. Enkanomiya was literally abandoned by me for months once I 100% it.
I'm actually happy that they are starting to add new bosses with more "mechanics" rather than just simple punching bags
The problem with that is that as world bosses, its annoying for them to be immune for 90% of the fight until you jump through whatever hoops it makes you, but ultimately doable, still not really that fun. THEN when they get thrown into the abyss, have jacked hp AND spend 90% of the fight being immune, in a TIMED challenge, it just doesnt feel fun to fight. You dont enjoy it, you simply power through.
New machanics are fun yes. Take Magu Kenki for example
It has many different patterms and ways to beat it
But still, it doesnt get immune 90% of the time
Or Primo Geo.
It has its own shield reflect mechanics, but you still can kill it without this method
Another exemple is the Enkanomiya twins: even tho their design isnt very creative, the fight can be done by many different ways and with different mechanics than usual
Well, the Mechanic cube also can be included on this list. There are different phases you can hit it, but barely no immune pahse so you can do the fight as you wish
However those Elemental cubes, Flying Geo Wolf, Chasm Serpent and the New Sumeru Worm 🐛 are such an awful way to design boss batles. They get immune for most of the time with annoying specific mechanics, which doesnt allow you to do the fighting as you wish.
You got One specific team to deal total damage while they arent immune. Its such a shame
"mechanics"=you can't do shit for 90% of the fight because they are untargetable. LMAO.
@@transient_moonlight At that point, you're not even fighting the enemy. You're just waiting.
@@shadowboi8620 exactly
The problem with bosses is that You need to farm them, so they are really limited in the dificulty they can set for them, You need to kill like 30 of each BOSS for every lvl 90 character You upgrade, the only real boss fight in genshin is the one against raiden during Thoma's "execution", it can be as hard as they wanted and since You can't replay it, it would never be a chore like the rest.
Thats why i play genshin mostly for the exploration and story, i agree genshin is a easy game for most part, i remenber that increase the world level was a bit challenging at the beggining because i was bad equiped, but as my understanding of the game build up, this game start to feel very easy, i am not looking for a hardcore experience but i also like some challenge too easy is boring.
Yeah exactly. I wish I could go back in time and tell myself not to min-max my characters so that I actually can have fun in the other world.
@@Melotaku its pratically what i am doing playng only with 4 star artifact and also with permanent traveller in the team that i make but the last one only for immersion in the story
I feel as though what hoyoverse could do to remedy the situation of bosses not having meaningful rewards is to give them each a singular unique artifact that they can drop, which has a 1 piece set effect - like the prayer artifacts.
That last point for coop is very compelling. As it stands, off-field damage dealers and supports have inherently more value because you can have multiple of them on a team as opposed to the one on field damage dealer purely based on Genshin’s own design. Having tougher bosses with better drops makes it more enticing to have multiple built on field damage dealers and ultimately makes it easier for Hoyoverse to advertise banners with more of their kind. A win-win so to speak.
Except in co-op enemies have much higher hp, so each player needs to do as much dmg as they would playing normally. And a full team with good supports will usually do a better job than 4 on-field hypercarries.
From my experience, playing in co-op actually takes much longer than doing the job on your own.
-create a large mech boss with different element variations.
-make it little harder
-you remember your player base is 90% casual
-nerf it a little bit
-nah, let’s make it grapling mini game with collecting mechanics.
-call it a day.
That’s how you make the most boring weekly boss.
Don't forget the little creature that attack his hp while you run around
I guess you talking about Scaramouche boss fight which is the most lame weekly boss along with Raiden.
The Pyro Regisvine in Monstad? Vars I think you got your regions mixed up lol
If they added a 1% drop chance for boss pets or something like an Azdaha pet or a chibi Scara pet id be fighting a lot more bosses. Imagine putting them in the teapot or like pet battles or something, now casual players have a thing too, everyone happy.
The idea bosses should drop 5 star weapons never crossed my mind. But quickly thinking over it. Simply adding Those from the standart banner would still be a huge upgrade for f2p and there would still be a power gap between the egales getting banner weapons while you get a reason to fight bosses and the power gap gets a slight closure
why would you care about the power gap between f2p and whales they literally have all right to be 500 times as strong they are paying millions
Some f2p players are as strong as whales tough
More seriously tough, yeah, any idea that doesn't make me wish on the weapon banner is incredible
they could make them drop standard 5* weapon shards which u can collect over time. even ppl who already had them can still farm for refinements
A whale telling everyone: "I put 10000$ into this game, so my Ei can deal 500k damage on one click, which means all bosses are trash."
Yeah... sure...
I think something that should be recognized is that the world and even weekly bosses are not meant to be hard they are supposed to be challenging as you are meant to farm them for 10-15 times till you don't need to then the next character than needs those materials makes you farm them again
Also as bosses are meant to be progression and genshin tries to limit how much you can grow per day (even if you spend) I imagine they don't want to give even more for something you are already going to do it's why artifacts are random so you don't get what you want and need to spend more time there not focusing on other things
There’s resin to limit us… no excuse to give us gratification of an actual challenging content. World level option is there. We cant even farm a boss 10-15 time a day cuz of resin(except if ur a whale but then again it just pushes you to want a more challenging content if ur a whale) so might as well give us challenging boss to farm.
They should increase the Open World level and just slightly increase the resources. Make all enemies more tanky if needed, bosses included
I had an idea (not sure if good) they should add primogems as an additional reward for each boss, like give 20-160 primogem luck chance after beating normal boss, and add a daily limit to each boss (so players would defeat different bosses to get extra primo) and for weekly bosses they should add 800-1600 primogem reward (1600 being very rare) this would make players defeat all weekly boss if they want extra reward (ofc each boss has a daily limit of 1 so it stays fresh)
3:01 pyro regisvine in mondstadt?
i think bosses are ok the way they are, i think for the sake of difficulty they should add an extreme difficulty level to events, especially the events that have point multipliers like a 5x or something, it would not change rewards since those are supposed to be easily gotten since there are a lot of casual players or even mobile players (thats a difficulty bumb by itself). so maybe that would be a good start
🌸🌺I would utter of my own perspective, that Genshin Bosses come off as overwhelmingly mundane and unrewarding! And this is especially true for one who has whales upon the title to the degree that I have (and far beyond).🌺🌸
your still at it uh. well good luck
The only time I really struggled with a boss was when I was just starting out, during the first Golden Apple event. I speed ran through the beginning few AR's to be able to unlock the event (it didn't take long because the AR level was decently low) to get to the Archipelago in order to farm for Kazuha who was one of my first characters. The Maguu Kenki first appeared there and he was such a huge step up from the few Mondstatd and Liyue bosses I had fought (I never even struggled with Oceanid like others I know did), as a very new player, my characters were not built so the Kenki was difficult. But after fighting him a few times, I got used to him and he became easier. After that, no bosses have been difficult.
I think maguu kenki is still one of the better setup bosses. He’s not so easy that it’s a cake walk to get him finished, but he also doesn’t take a huge amount of time to take down
There should be something other than the hp bar to take down enemies.
That's why I take the big robot in Sumeru with bow characters, to make the challenging more fun
worst part is that they know players feel bored with the difficulty of the game and willingly ignore the feedback about difficulty. hoyoverse thought process, it eludes me and i dont understand them.
If MHY does not want to increase difficulty or drop rate of bosses then they need to make every boss like the weekly ones, where you need far less of the mats to level your characters but the bosses are more distinct with phases and mechanics.
I think one other problem that was worth pointing is that with each new weekly boss that gets put in the game, it means more and more resin expended in bosses (I mean, thanks for the reduction on the first 3 to half, but with more bosses coming out that starts to mean zilch), but resin is just another whole can of worms
Wenut was pronounced _"way-noot"_ by the voice actors during the Special Program.
English speakers and their "diphtongization" of vowels
We nut sounds cooler
@@Bronze_Age_Sea_Person I learned a new word!
as a middle eastern person he is and will always be we nut for me
I think an excellent balance of hardcore v casual would be to incentivize you to use less powerful characters. One of my least favorite aspects is the fact that there's nothing to do with your new characters until you've leveled them up, and the best way to level those characters is NOT to use them. I was so excited to use my new Hu Tao...until I learned I'd need to fight the same boss dozens of times with other characters before she could contribute.
Have a way to numerically represent a character's "power level" including their gear. Then increase rewards based on using the lowest level loadouts that you can get away with. That way, you don't have to add difficulty just by making the top even harder. Instead you increase it by focusing on really mastering what content is there.
Of course, there's nothing to stop me from just using low level characters, but I admit that it's less fun without an external reason to do so. They already let us fight lower level bosses. Give us a reason to go at them with lower level characters. Hell, it could even be a reduced resin cost for picking up the rewards.
one of the most fun moments I've had in genshin was when the hypostasis event allowed you to set the difficulty to extreme. man, fighting hydro or cryo cube with a friend was really fun, we actually had to TRY, keep eye on our hp, dodge, implement strategies and do more than just skill na/ca chain burst swap skill and that all over again. i could only wish that they would crank up the difficulty to that degree in other areas of the game
well of course, because you maxed out everything. The smartest move was to only level up your characters and talents as necessary to overcome the challenge and stay at the same pace with the game difficulty. Since you mentioned Pokemon, this is like showing up at the gym with a party of lv100 pokemon, when the smarter move would've been something like the Nuzlocke challenge
Watched a full 40- second add so you could get more money
This video is really good i hope hoyoverse sees it especially special drops from bosses and co-op for players to grind together it would be awesome and fun
I largely agree with your points, though I feel like just "making all bosses harder" isn't the right approach, so let me pitch an idea.
From my experience as a player, Genshin has been a slow grind to the infinite milestone of "make your characters stronger". Every day I push a little bit closer to that goal, whether it be a few more levels on my talents/weapons, a new good artifact, or another Ascension on my characters, and it's honestly really fun seeing my account progress.
In this vacuum, the easy bosses aren't much of an issue. I defeat them to get what I need, feel sufficiently rewarded for the time I spend on them, and bam, I'm done.
That's why when I saw this video, I was a bit confused because I don't have beef with Genshin's bosses.
But watching it, I realized how boring and pointless the same bosses must be for a player who already maximized their characters, and you may be seeing where I'm going with this. Once again, Genshin Endgame comes in to ruin everyone's fun(whether casual or competitive) by making easy but tedious monotony for starved players to grind through.
While we can only hope and pray that the Endgame situation improves, when it comes to bosses specifically, I have one Endgame idea suggestion.
The classic Boss Rush. It sounds pretty lame, but it still holds merit. Challenge a few bosses in sequential order, BUT(and this is a big but) instead of being a boring, lifeless arena, each of them actually takes advantage of terrain and uniquely challenging mechanics that heavily emphasize the use of specific kinds of characters(basically, all of Vars' issues with Genshin's combat, addressed). Every world boss here is a souped-up version of its overworld self, and each Rush is concluded by a Weekly Boss that does the same. Afterward, the time you take to win(like a high score) is measured and rewarded with an increasing returns system(if you have a high time, you'll need to improve it by fewer seconds to get the next reward than a player with a low time). While there are a lot of gaps I haven't filled in this system, I overall think it'd be a pretty rewarding experience for players in the endgame, while not trampling on new or growing players with unreasonably difficult bosses for the gear they have.
I always been thinking that one small but significant change to make bosses a little more complex is the addition of a third dodge. Quite a few bosses have pattern attacks which consist of two consecutive attacks to dodge with some exceptions like Raiden, but having pattern attacks consisting of more than 2 consecutives attacks would be a nice addition to future bosses.
Genshin could use an additional world level that exponentially increase the difficuly in exchange for guaranteeing the maximum loot tables on ennemies (like making bosses always drop 3 ascention material and similar things on fights that have a chance to generate extra loot)
I'd like to mention that weekly bosses have a chance of dropping weapon billets, and those are essentially weapons.
And the chance is low and they are 4 stars.. Quite far from his point I think haha
Hey Vars, was a big fan of your League content but since quit playing the game and here now. Always loved the style of your content and happy to see you're doing content on this game as well :D
Satisfaction of beating a souls boss(especially sekiro, ds3, BB) is still unmatched for me. I hope Hoyo makes one of the future boss like this way.
Cant do. Remember that first time childe came out, babies are crying that it's too hard
I think the Boss design itself is bad. There are almost no actual mechanics. Everything can either be brute forced in seconds, requires a shielder and/or healer because they just fill massive areas with staggering attacks or damage like Azhdaha or the gauge in Signora or the most common, and worst one, invulnerability forcing you to just wait forever because you can't hurt the boss.
The Wenut is the worst designed boss I can remember in a game, I thought Scara was bad but the Wenut basically doesn't even attack, it isn't even threatening a little bit, it's just a giant health bar that constantly goes invulnerable. No interesting mechanics or ways for certain elements to force it out of the ground or interact with it, just wait, attack it for 2-3 seconds, wait again, rinse and repeat.
In coop they buff enemy health, I often found it slower to complete stuff using my own team than in coop, because sub dps are op
Spends thousands of dollars deploying cheat codes (5-star constallations and 5-star weapons) to jack up their stats to unbalanced levels.
"Wahhhhh why is this game so easy?"
While I do think Genshin could stand having a bit more challenge, not all players play games for the challenge. Some just want to dive into the lore and some like to collect stuff like characters and weapons. So I don't think it's correct or even honest to say everyone wants more challenge. It'd be nice though.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with raising the difficulty ceiling. Casual players will always exist and choose not to do hard content, that's their choice. The problem lies when we dont get ANY harder content because some players won't interact with it. At least give people looking for a challenge something difficult they can sink time into.
@@abotaccount6094 Nah, I've seen someone talk shit about the game and rage quit it because he can't beat Oceanid pigs 😂
@@nv5116 Why does that player sounds like DSP lol
@@abotaccount6094 i think that they would not increase the overall difficulty of the game but create more thing focused on the difficulty of the game that is a choice of the player to do it or not
@@abotaccount6094 If by some you mean most, then yes. There's actually just a small minority of players who even completes the Spiral Abyss. And I don't mean 36 star it, just completing floor 12.
Interesting bosses are fine and all but nothing will remain interesting if you have to do it dozens of times over and over again. So I ain't gonna complain about bosses being too easy/simple/boring.
I got other stuff to do so the easier time I have when playing the game the better. I enjoy a challenge but not all the time. That's why I like the abyss cycle because it's the one time I can free up a weekend and seriously play the game and then I don't have to do it again for two weeks.
Yes! I resonate with this so much.
Yeah I resent these types of "I've done everything I can to trivialise this game, now make it harder" types of opinions for games.
There is and will always be a delta between hardcore and casual players, but expanding the range will only adversely affect one side of the spectrum.
This is why they made that statement about not wanting to implement a more difficult endgame option. To avoid alienating the lower bracket of players.
@@SeanCrosser just make the harder content optional then?
honestly spiral abyss is whenever I really have a great interest in genshin for a couple hours
Exactly why punishing gray raven does a better job by having any bosses with 2 phases, usually get split in half and only use one of them for say, some particular spammable content, example: The recent Rogue-like theater event where the 2nd half of sharkspeare gets used for one stage`s boss fight, then both of them together.
If i want a boss to achieve a challenge, then bring on the hard fights, but if i have to spam said thing multiple times over for a CHANCE at a particular drop. Then i better be able to phase skip AND animation skip the fk outta it by dropping the BOMBA on it, cause my stats are way beyond its own to allow a bom bom bakudan to its face.
I've only just started so I havent really experience this yet, but this video kinda makes me worry for the future lmao. I've been diving head first into the game and playing it pretty consistently for 3 weeks now and AR37 atm. I think even adding a rare chance to get like a billit or whatever it's called, to be able to craft a 5 star weapon would be pretty worth while too, rather than just a flat out 5 star weapon. Or take something from monster hunter and make the billits available in a shop (or also boss drop) but make some of the materials only available from bosses. Enjoyed the video and the info :)
bosses with random attack patterns would be interesting bcs you have to keep checking the next move
Bruh the pyro Regisvine is in Liyue lol,the cryo one is in Mondo =)))))
Also i don't mind them being easy to kill but yeah MHY should add an optional WL9 that's twice as hard as WL8 just for those looking for a challenge and i think no1 will complain about it tbh specially since it would be optional.
That being said is not the difficulty i hate about most bosses but instead the stupidity behind them,i don't mind bosses being hard to kill because they're hard to kill but i do mind when bosses are hard to kill because they stall for time by being under the ground or having invincibility for like 80-90% of the fight like the Serpent or the Wenut,those to me are not bosses with "alot of tought put into them" they're just bosses made with the poorest game design in mind. Bosses should feel good to fight and constant they should never feel like you hit them once then you can take a tea break for 10 mins then you have another chance at hitting them. That and also another gripe i have with the bosses are the godawful unskippable weekly bosses cutscenes,no1 gives a s**t about them after the first time they fight said bosses during the stories so why force players to watch the same crap over and over and over again each time without the option to skip it or disable it idk cuz to me that's just stupid game design again not to mention you can easly die during those cutscenes like Azdaha's passive damage killing you during the cutscenes when you can't move or shield or heal OR Dvalin's platforms doing too much dmg while you again can't fly or do anything or hell even when Dvalin's cutscenes trigger when you glide in between the platforms which means you are stopped during the cutscenes which means you glide to your doom. Those are all situations that ppl can find themselves in and it's stupid that a game has this kind of thing,those cutscenes should be skippable and that's that,then again is that rlly the first QoL addition we asked for?
That being said Genshin could benefit alot from raid bosses doable only in co-op only with characters max lvl or with some restrictions(so lvl1 characters from a guy that's AR25 won't be able to do them) as an endgame content,raid bosses who'd drop 5* weapons and other rlly rare things and rewards,hard bosses but rewarding ones. That'll never happen tho.
I think increasing the difficulty of weekly bosses is good but not the world bosses like hypostatis, ocenoid etc, because we need to defeat one boss so many times to get the ascension materials. Like I levelled up my ayaka to level 80 and it took me a week or something to fully built her and I needed to fight both perpetual mechanical array and cryo plant to get the materials. Just think if I have to fight a single boss for 15 min and I have to do it for several times 💀. Weekly bosses they can level up because mostly anyone plays it three times a week
Fighting a boss for 15 minutes? Not even weekly bosses take that long.
@@lstsoul4376 I am telling "IF" the bosses take 15 min to defeat it would be tedious
But I would prefer weekly bosses to be strong because all of the fight finishes in a minute
All bosses are a wet blanket. I kill almost every single one before they use any of their "mechanics". So much so that I had no idea you needed geo damage to break the shield on the Rift Wolf until I fought it in Spiral Abyss.
It astounds me that we live in a world where Elden Ring is a best seller and people seriously think any amount of challenge is kryptonite to casuals. It's just such a bizarre way to view challenge and who it appeals to.
It's exactly as Vars said, challenge is something that can appeal to almost anyone. It's just a question of *how much* challenge.
As a casual f2p player I find the abyss difficult enough to beat with full stars, and would greatly dislike it if a new more difficult floor was added, I already need to look up builds to be decent at the game, which is extra time I need to spend on the game, I like that Genshin demands very little atention and most importantly very little time daily. Thats why I would hate it for the game to become more difficult.
This just in: Bosses early in an RPG are trivial if you come back later. And before you start saying "oh this game is easy, I can 36-star Spiral Abyss in my sleep," well, good for you. I can't. I struggle to hit the 3-star thresholds after playing daily since launch.
There are problems with bosses in Genshin, but I don't think Vars' take is one of them. Also, the pyro regisvine isn't in Mondstadt.
I guess I should follow-up by saying what problems I do have with bosses.
1) Bosses that go underground or invulnerable for long periods being placed in Spiral Abyss, a timed challenge.
2) The respawn timer on bosses. If I have to kill the same boss 30 times, at least don't make me wait 5 minutes for it to come back.
3) Bosses aren't interesting to fight...which touches on Vars' complaint, but he wants to liken them to bosses from other games, whereas I want to liken them to a domain run, where the mechanics just end up getting in the way. Thus, I argue bosses aren't fast to kill because lol look at me and all my one-shot tech, but rather because they are SLOW to kill when you aren't using C2 Raiden hypercarry to roll them. And you have to kill them too many times -- I don't want to refight a boss more than maybe 3 times total.
4) Bosses are region-locked and story-locked, which isn't a problem on its own until you consider that they're required for character ascension materials...including for new players.
5) Weekly bosses are gated to once per week, which is a little too MMO-esque for me.
6) Some bosses force specific elements. In an element-driven game, I'm fine with the idea of not being able to use a specific element, but you should be able to operate with 5 of the other 6, rather than in many cases being locked into one. Just try to kill the pyro cube without hydro. I dare you. (And without pulling them to the ocean water.)
I wish they would add an elysian realm/simulated universe type challenge in genshin, progressing through increasingly hard stages whilst obtaining powerful buffs for your characters, I think they tried to do this with abyss, (but utterly failed). This gamemode could also come with it's own story/events to unlock new and temporary stages, and serve as a great challenge for when you're bored.
Definitely agree, there’s so much wasted potential with simply improving bosses, as a casual (who also loves playing coop) I personally would love to see many of these things you mentioned included.
Something that this is missing is what do you do about the resin system if you add say a 1-100 chance of a random 5 star weapon? Like ok, we have reason to fight them, but weekly’s are 60 a pop (30 for first 3) and bosses aren’t cheap either when you consider we have artifacts-gold-xp to also farm. The “don’t fight after talent mats done” life is sorta kinda good because we simply don’t have near enough resin to go around, and adding something that essentially forces you to shift focus in an attempt to cop a 5 star wouldn’t work in the current state of the game, IMO.
I feel a lot of this boss problem goes back to artifacts. I feel they place too much value and therefore force us to put too much time into getting these artifacts, when there are more satisfying and diverse rewards to attain in this game.
The system is a relic meant to work for those enjoying the game or a region for the first time, after that there's little incentive to engage. I will admit. Some banging Wanderer's artifacts have saved a few of my builds though. But that again goes back to the game revolving around artifacts almost completely for end game progression.
While I was stuck with Nihilister in Nikke for a month, but watching day after day, the progress made the climax awesome! I killed that dragon and it was like winning the World Cup lol
I just don’t wanna wait 2-3 minutes waiting for a boss to respawn.
I'm kinda mixed on this, given that certain bosses still make me struggle (Bishap pain) while other bosses are easy to the point of not interacting with their mechanics.
That being said, I think one of th ebig issues with Genshin, and why they won't ever really fix the difficulty issue in the overworld is the rather insane gap that time creates between players. I haven't hit 6-digit damage in my 8 months of playing, despite not being f2p (only small whale, I don't do constellations). While I'm missing some of the meta characters (Hu Tao, Albedo, Kokomi), I do have many meta definers, but still struggle in game, especially in the abyss.
There are two rules I always follow whenever I fight bosses
1) Never have Zhongli in the team (unless it’s too hard)
2) Whever I fight new bosses, instead of just walk up and try to kill, I’ll just spend a few minutes just dodging attacks and let it try to kill me instead. Some of the bosses have very cool visual designs, and fascinating mechanic and attack patterns. So it’s a waste to just treat them like punching bags.
I don't have Zhongli so there's that.
I too try to see if I can their attack. I can absolutely erase them but I wanna know their attacks.
If anyone is looking for a challenge, pass all bosses with +0 items or an Amber type character solo without healing. People grinding weapons like idiots for months and then cry that the game is too easy
Nice video! They could implement a Guild system that you need to kill some enemies waves or/and bosses with specific buffs. Players can do that solo or coop. The drop could be mora, exp, artifact boxes (similar to abyss one) and the final item, an item that let you "replace" one substatus from an artifact but it is random (and it reset the artifact level). The new difficult would only affect players that want to improve their strength, so the casual players may not need to do this kind of mechanic, and this new method will let players "build" different comps (according to enemies bonuses) and coop builds, to play together and create new comps.
Maybe they should make a boss where you have to survive until the timer ends and it does a shit ton of damage with multiple detailed attack patterns or a boss where instead of trying to deal as much damage, you have to create a certain number/type of elemental reactions to take it down
Reminds me about Kalphas from elysia realm. Before they took its third phase out and then started shoving only the first 2 phases for elysia realm`s weekly spam content and then throw him in abyss randomly at times also.
Seriously, i actually had `fun` during Kalphas story mode fight where his 3rd phase was literally he was fking immune to damage and you had to run from him as he burns himself of his remaining hp.
Never the less, if they do have that kind of stuff, they would have to rework the EFF outta whatever spammable content they were to use to huck it in abyss and memorial arena...
Which punishing gray raven does a good job by ranking you based on how much remaining HP the boss has, how long it took you to finish the fight AND how much hp your own character(s) had left to tally the score, with warzone simply being your own remaining hp and how much damage (or waves) you dealt for the endless mode. Then simply scoring based on how fast you clear.
Not gonna happen because “how dare they require me to play certain elements, I don’t like any characters of that element and refuse to level up a starter, trash enemy trash company!”. We hear this song every time Geo wolf shows up in abyss, even from the tryhards.
@Jeremiah Smith I like the concept of actually making a use out of geo but I hate all the digging/flying bosses..
@BladeSerph running from those bosses sounds scary and cool af, and it could make use of characters overworld mobility methods
The topic of game difficulty always puts me in a weird spot, I do understand why the game is labeled as easy, and yet, someone like me, who decides to play with non meta characters always struggles with abyss, I couldn´t 36* this past reset, just increasing difficulty would only make things worse for xinyan, Thoma Dehya mains, and wouldn't make much change to OP waifu mains like hu tao, Raiden, Yelan etc.
Its what i think the more hard content must be a choice of each player just like the spiral abyss you can choose to do it or not increase everything is only a bad choice
I had an idea for a type of gameplay that was more engaging atleast for me, it would be an arena kind of place like serenity pot and it's main purpose is to give a boss sandbox and also a PvP experience. It would go like this for single player
1. It would be weekly thing where u have to beat a boss at an extreme difficulty and crazy hard mechanics to get some primogems like 20 or 40 and this would be the way of making this arena like serenity pot or tcg
2. Players can also choose a boss to fight whenever they want at any type of difficulty or choose a dummy like masanori with set amount of HP and def etc. This would be the main point of sandbox that can be used by players for testing or showcasing DMG etc
For multiplayer( the fun part)
1. You can invite other players and only in this arena you can
--Look at each other's artifacts and choose any of the artifact to use on your character
--Get the constellations of any character but both of the players should have that character and will be limited to the highest constellation, for ex if both have kazuha and one of them has a C2 but other one only at C0 then both can have atmost C2
--Have highest weapon refinement. This is similar to constellation one both should have the weapon and the one with higher refinement will the most u can get
This is like a testing place and also a PvP arena for people who want to test there skills at same level.
You are overestimating how many players clearing the abyss. Percentage of players having the abyss achievement is actually quite low. The real problem with the boss is they’re basically just a glorified time waster forcing players to wait while being immune
How about you guys stop pulling c6 r5 on character and weapon because I don’t know any f2p that one shots the current bosses in the game old bosses sure but new bosses c0 r1 ain’t one shoting shit so I don’t know where this generalisation is coming from ……the simple explanation is that you are paying huge amount of money to become stronger and stronger you became instead my gripe with Genshin bosses is that lately they have very poor mechanics look at floor 12 boss the only thing that thing does is waste time and even after putting them in a stun phase it’s nearly impossible for an f2p to 2 cycle them…..they spend 2 mins underground and 1 min in the air ……one of the worst bosses in the game and the worst thing is they are not even difficult just lazy mechanics produced by lazy devs
I think a neat boss drop could be Gliders and Pets (which is just the bosses mini-version) I would absolutely love to have a mini electro hypostasis following me around lol
Adding more mechanical elements to bosses would be fun. Taking parts of the overworld like puzzles and adding them to the phases of the boss. There are other ideas already there like the Aeonblight Drake becoming resistent to an element once it builds up enough on it. Tweaking that so it comes resistent to more elements at a higher pertentage (50 or 75%) would be a challenge. It would force you to vary your team composistion to better fight the boss since mono or dual element teams would struggle. Not all bosses should have that mechanic since other teams like mono cry would unfairly be targeted but it's an option for some.