Develop Cine Film with Flic Film’s ECN-2 Kit
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- čas přidán 24. 02. 2024
- Testing out Flic Film's ECN-2 developing kit and sharing my thoughts on the process!
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a hint here, if you cant get the full tank volume, use a rotary process, aka get a spinner that rotates the tank (as these are used with the tank lying down they use 1/2 the volume, as you only NEED to fill up to the bobbin level, as the spinning action immerses the rest of the film stock evenly).
at 14:15 the process is INVERSION if you turn the tank upside down!, agitation is using the twizzle stick to turn the spool round, or if using a sheet film tank, aka like a teabag, dunking the film in the chemistry, or lifting the chemistry tray and putting it down again, the word agitate means disturb.
Wonderful video. I love the way you breakdown the process and give it such a fun personal touch.
Thanks so much Tim!
Thank you!
You’re welcome!
Great tip on the final rem jet wipe down. I’m just getting into this and would have totally skipped this final wipe.
glad you got something in there!! have fun and let me know how it goes :)
Great video, nice explaination. I love Flic Film as a fellow Canadian and they are doing great things for the film community.
Thanks for watching! and yes totally agree!!
Awesome video Molly…need to try that process some time 😎👌🏽
Go for it! And thanks so much Armando!
I learned a bit from developing a lot of rolls mostly B&W but also developing Vision 3 250D. When I planned to develop my colour films, I mixed a whole batch of chemicals (CS41 simplified). I had previously built up a bunch of colour rolls to be developed so that I could develop all the rolls with fresh chemicals over a few days. This reason for this was to use only fresh chemicals since colour film chemistry has a short shelf life after being mixed, but also to make the chemistry mix calculations easy. Just pour the required mixed amount in your tank, no need to calculate the times per tank amount volume. (hope that makes sense!). Also, I wiped the remaining remjet off in a warm bucket of water by my fingers wearing nylon gloves. (another option). Yes, use a sous vide as with colour film processing the key things are accurate temperatures and time. Your "sacrificial towel" was a great tip, those chems do stain!
haha thanks!! it's definitely great if you save up the rolls and then process all at once so the chems are the freshest!
If you work it out by surface area an 8x120 (61mm x 760mm or 30 inches) is pretty similar to 36x35mm (35 x 1638mm as a 36 exposure film is 64.5 inches according to Kodak). Also, so
Long as you have enough chemicals for developing in the tank it doesn’t matter if you have extra water to make sure the whole film is covered. So long as you’re consistent you could add an extra 100ml to make sure both 35mm rolls are covered in your tank. It’s the amount of chemical not the density that’s important; but YMMV
YMMV? lol but good to know re the surface area!!
I actually like the look of ECN2 film processed in C41 but you've inspired me to experiment with being a bit more strict in my approach - shooting daylight film in daylight and tungsten film in incandescent lighting - and seeing if I can capture these films as they were meant to be seen.
you can always try it and if you don't like, then shoot how you were doing! :) nothing wrong with that!
Great video!!!! Regarding the leaks in your tank, try to make a vacuum and remove as much air as you can before closing the tank completely. With Paterson's snap-on lid tanks the trick works, I don't know if it applies the same with screw-on tanks. Greetings from Spain!
Hey! Thank you!! That’s a good tip, not sure about the screw tanks too but I’ll keep it in mind 😊
Interesting - I had not seen that Flic has a kit now. I've used only the Jobo. Flic is great - I'll have to try their kit. I have to expect the rotary processor helps with the remjet step. I've not tried hand processing ECN-2 yet.
I already use Flic "Black, White, and Green" developer these days for B&W. It's fantastic - basically Xtol with the flexibility and shelf life of one-shot Rodinal.
Sounds great!! Yeah might be worth giving it a try on the rotary!
I have been developing c-41, B&W, ECN-2 and E-6 in my kitchen sink for years. I have a temp controller, (sous vide) and it always works fine. I usually use the cinestill kit for ECN-2, but have done it the other way also. You should try doing B&W reversal film. It is awesome. You have do a double development with a 100 watt light bulb for 30 seconds but the results are so gratifying.
That’s on my list to try for sure!!!
How does your partner feel about this? 😅
@@RetroPhotoPro feel about what?
@@RetroPhotoPro she feels fine, I don't make a mess and cleanup after myself.
@@Eclectachrome processing in the house. Mine doesn’t like the smell.
Couple of questions. What is the mixed life of the chemicals? Secondly, with B&W, the developer can be drained into the sink (municipal treatment but maybe not septic) but the fix cannot, I'll have to contact the City about disposal. What about Flic Film's ECN-2?
I can't remember if I say in the video but it depends if its in a full stoppered bottle or half full or something like this but its around a month or two from memory! Yeah I treat all my chems the same here now because we have septic so I collect it all in large water jugs and will have to go to the town dump to dispose of it. Usually they have a few days a year or maybe just one where you can bring the hazardous chemwaste to them.
Thanks for this video! Is this chemistry reusable or a one time thing?
You're welcome, thanks for watching! This kit I had was reusable up to about 8 rolls but there is a 1 liter kit that can do more, think about 16 rolls ish! Can be store for around a couple months depending on how it's stored.
Does the 2 rolls of 35mm equals 1 roll of 120 only apply to the ECN chemistry? I’ve never used ECN before but for C41 and E6, one roll of 120 equals one 36exp roll of 35mm film in my experience.
Good question! I've always assumed it applied to everything but it would be good to double check and ask around, see what more people do! Not sure if there is an official source anywhere or would it maybe depend on each chemistry's manufacturer?
According to Cinestill, one roll of 35mm=one roll of 120=4 sheets of 4x5. That seems to be a common assumption.
@@roy4513 thank you!! Can you send me the link where they have it so I can put it in the video description?
@@Eclectachrome I don't know what's going on; I reply and then my reply disappears. If you go to the Cinestill site, go to FAQ, look for How do I re-use chemicals. It'll give you the low down.
So -- what music do you listen to while going through the development process?
could be anything! anything but rap or heavy metal haha
@@Eclectachrome -- I wonder if the type/tempo/energy affects the developing. Energetic progressive/rock/bluegrass -- you do the timings *exacty* -- but classical, easy-listening, rock ballads, then you take your time with the timings/pouring/rinsing.... 🤣🤣🤣
@@Eclectachrome -- Hee hee -- look for this video "SWEET MEMORIES OF ONLY YESTERDAY THE ６０s (READER’S DIGEST MUSIC)" -- that's what my parents listened to on the radio when I was a little kid -- I imagine that this music playing while you are developing could lead to loss of consciousness (sleep!).... 😂😂😂
@@aengusmacnaughton1375 would be a good test!
What is the safest way to wipe down the film so as not to risk scratching/damaging the emulsion?
FF mentioned using a damp cloth and being careful, so perhaps a very soft cloth? I used a super smooth soft cotton one and was super gentle!
You say something negative????? Never!!!!! 😁
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