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  • Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down in-person with Steven Bonnell II, also known as Destiny. They discuss the differences between the left and the right, force versus invitation, the feasibility and pitfalls of command economies, the dangers of ideology, and government response to worldwide crises.
    Destiny, also known as Steven Bonnell II, is a prominent political commentator and content creator known for his debate skills and provocative takes on various issues. With a passion for gaming, politics, and philosophy, Destiny engages in lively discussions that often challenge the status quo.
    This episode was recorded on February 3rd, 2024
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    (0:00) Tour info 2024
    (0:40) Coming up
    (1:18) Intro
    (2:22) Early days of streaming, how Steven entered political commentary
    (7:40) Changes in thinking: shifting to the left
    (12:11) The key differences between left and right worldviews
    (13:29) Intervention, distribution, gigantism, and populism
    (23:42) Redistribution and command economies, can they work?
    (29:32) Negative externalities, balancing free markets with incentivized behavior and their effects on the poor
    (37:34) Climate and economic models: two Towers of Babel
    (40:57) The timeframe of C02 models changes the outlook, so how far back should we consider?
    (43:12) The green guise of compassion obscures underlying intent
    (47:34) The psychology of those who utter, “There are too many people on the planet”
    (49:46) Destiny’s Jenga Tower, an analogy for how people become stuck in their beliefs
    (57:00) Why people fear nuclear energy
    (58:30) Realities of the green energy pipe dream
    (1:00:32) Is it malevolence or ignorance that drives bad ideas? Motives versus public perception
    (1:03:19) Both parties wield power when they have it, so how do we mitigate it?
    (1:07:37) Was WWII Germany right or left wing?
    (1:09:19) Moses and the desert
    (1:13:56) Living in separate realities and bridging the divide
    (1:15:50) MRNA, validity of rollout and excess deaths
    (1:24:34) It wasn’t just the left
    (1:26:27) Weighing the fear of a crisis against the use of experimental technology
    (1:30:00) Mass consensus
    (1:37:38) Psychopathy and levels of malevolence
    (1:43:10) Do marriage and society exist without force?
    (1:47:50) Tit-for-tat, force or justice?
    (1:59:11) Why Steven debates
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Komentáře • 35K

  • @orcanimal
    @orcanimal Před měsícem +17841

    Jordan told Destiny, "You have the right to your own Destiny" without a hint of irony. What a fantastic conversation.

    • @sammyismuff
      @sammyismuff Před měsícem +262

      1:13:11

    • @steakeater4018
      @steakeater4018 Před měsícem +475

      He didn’t even give our girl Destiny a paper to roll up and fidget with. Hitler level evil

    • @MaximusTCR
      @MaximusTCR Před měsícem +40

      Baller!

    • @enigma7385
      @enigma7385 Před měsícem +27

      Oh no I arrived late to comment that! Lol

    • @johnbuckner2828
      @johnbuckner2828 Před měsícem +28

      Yea, great convo.

  • @ajbrewer1777
    @ajbrewer1777 Před měsícem +8411

    This feels like a father and son debating over the dinner table after the rest of the family had enough and went to bed... and its great lol

    • @NSHaliFacts
      @NSHaliFacts Před měsícem +60

      32:07

    • @danielsilveira3456
      @danielsilveira3456 Před měsícem +26

      🤣 No, kidding ...

    • @SB-mr2nk
      @SB-mr2nk Před měsícem +45

      Is that what fathers are supposed to do?

    • @lavest971
      @lavest971 Před měsícem +248

      @@SB-mr2nk the political/philosophical discussions I have with my father are some of the most important discussions of my life. Without patting myself on the back too much, I feel like I give him a nuance perspective into my generation, and he gives me an extremely grounded perspective into how we got to this point in the world. Best person I know to talk about anything

    • @redbird1336
      @redbird1336 Před měsícem +113

      This is also how adult friends interacted when I was a child. I have wonderful memories of my parents and other couples they were friends with sitting around our kitchen table "debating" issues for hours. Drinking coffee and having some intense conversations with no malice, aggression, or hurt feelings. Even when they disagreed on the topics. And remaining friends despite their differences. Taught me a lot about how to be a real adult, stand for what you believe in while respecting other people's right to do the same. To also respectfully listen to other people's differing opinions with an open mind because we're never too old to learn from each other. I miss that so much these days.

  • @ChaimS
    @ChaimS Před měsícem +357

    Wow, what a rarity! A non-moderated, true debate with plenty of yelling and passion, but not a single personal attack! And for 2 hours!

    • @lameuser1
      @lameuser1 Před 13 dny +8

      I hope this is a sign that the medium and participants are maturing. Doubtful but I can hope.

    • @8Maduce50
      @8Maduce50 Před 13 dny +7

      ​@@lameuser1they both have independent platforms. This was organized by themselves and not a network

    • @michaelh878
      @michaelh878 Před 2 dny

      Probably because it wasn't a debate at all. It was an interview where some disagreements came up. Not sure an actual debate would go the same way.

    • @rager5600
      @rager5600 Před 20 hodinami

      I love to see passion from both sides!!

  • @levikrikke6997
    @levikrikke6997 Před měsícem +274

    I could’ve watched 6 more hours of this. Love that they can passionately clash ideas and never get personal. Also the Good Dr’s Jacket was 🔥

    • @Zomarieful
      @Zomarieful Před 17 dny

      Yes! (Re: that jacket. Dr P is a snappy dresser. That is, his attention on his attire is stylish and innovative…. (can I say) ‘for a man’? Well I just did cause he is one. (Both snappy dresser and a man)

    • @edmonddantes563
      @edmonddantes563 Před 11 dny

      You need to raise your standards

    • @levikrikke6997
      @levikrikke6997 Před 10 dny +1

      @@edmonddantes563 atleast I don't socially engage in the comments of videos I don't even like💀

    • @gabriellemaes4078
      @gabriellemaes4078 Před 2 dny

      Destiny is smart. Bur there is no foresight or empathy. Typical leftie mentality. It's their bizarre religion

  • @Eze_Cloud
    @Eze_Cloud Před měsícem +11170

    I love a debate with zero personal attacks.

    • @vakuzar
      @vakuzar Před měsícem +576

      Thats a great point, how rare tbh.
      I dont agree with Destiny almost at all but I respect him for being a good faith actor. If only more lefties where like that, conversations could get somewhere.

    • @j0hn00arthur
      @j0hn00arthur Před měsícem +65

      @@vakuzarthe point is not to get anywhere, as a whole neither side is trying to build something better, each side wants to win for themselves, no matter what, that’s all

    • @vakuzar
      @vakuzar Před měsícem +190

      @@34fdfgbr I too use insults when I have nothing of substance to say XD

    • @Eze_Cloud
      @Eze_Cloud Před měsícem +71

      @@34fdfgbr nice personal attack.

    • @junimeme5626
      @junimeme5626 Před měsícem +47

      ​@@34fdfgbrWelp. Tick that "personal attacks" counter to 1 because of you.

  • @jadonharper1493
    @jadonharper1493 Před měsícem +8622

    Never in my life did I think I would see this pairing, I admire the diversity of guests on this podcast.

    • @user-sd5wg1vg4e
      @user-sd5wg1vg4e Před měsícem

      His daughter is friends with Lauren Southern. Who apparently had his bastard child. After his experiment with cuckoldry and marital failure.

    • @raidzeromatt
      @raidzeromatt Před měsícem

      "So maybe it wasn't a good idea to let your wife get ran through by random dudes for money. Okay, okay.."

    • @Seagal-tl5fv
      @Seagal-tl5fv Před měsícem +217

      Always so important to have diverse viewpoints. Good thing there is a strong black italian woman being included in the discourse finally.

    • @zarbins
      @zarbins Před měsícem +124

      Peterson does try to get many more left leaning people on but they almost always refuse. It is very disappointing as I would love to see a divergent range of thought/opinions. Kudos to Destiny for stepping up.

    • @shelby3755
      @shelby3755 Před měsícem +71

      Destiny does always talk more to conservatives than other leftists do. ​@@zarbins

  • @midder66
    @midder66 Před měsícem +64

    This is probably one of the best conversations/debate I have seen in a long time and more of these need to happen.

  • @Aires457
    @Aires457 Před 22 dny +53

    I love how fast they both talk and respond to each other. It makes this one of the best debates I've ever seen.

    • @alialdoukhi2014
      @alialdoukhi2014 Před 16 dny

      I need adderall after this, it’s lowkey verbal diarrhea coming out of both of them

    • @11bsavage64
      @11bsavage64 Před 5 dny

      No I fucking hated it. I hate how fast destiny talks, you can clearly see the femininity just spewing out of him.

  • @over7532
    @over7532 Před měsícem +7180

    The subtle, unspoken, mutual apologies for getting too worked up were things of absolute beauty. I'd love to see much more between these two.

    • @rileystrom8530
      @rileystrom8530 Před měsícem +223

      I do see what you're talking about, but I would (somewhat parasocially) guess that destiny does not really see getting "worked up" as a negative thing he'd have to apologize for. He's said before that he enjoys conversations like that much more than never truly getting into the details. My guess is that JBP is probably the same way.

    • @RS-fy9hb
      @RS-fy9hb Před měsícem +126

      Destiny doesn't view it as a problem, but he absolutely recognizes it normally conveys high tension friction and overly combativeness, which he's specifically tried to not be swept up in. Finkelstein Debate is another such example, he kept his cool, even if just for appearances, so while he personally doesn't dislike the high tension verbal "fights", when it comes to getting your point across to a different audience, he's made a point of making sure not to get swept up in raising the temperature, or mudslinging (although mudslinging didn't occur here, despite the tone almost seeming to indocate it could happen).

    • @kyle8688
      @kyle8688 Před měsícem +38

      If an apology is both subtle and unspoken then that’s not an apology

    • @markkangas413
      @markkangas413 Před měsícem +129

      ​@@kyle8688if it's heard then it's an apology

    • @RS-fy9hb
      @RS-fy9hb Před měsícem +65

      @@kyle8688 it doesn't need to be a verbalised apology to recognize there was an acknowledgement of tempers flaring or the temperature increasing, for both parties to feel the need and want to cooperate to decrease the tension in the room. If you want to argue semantics, we'll probably be here all day.

  • @leonabarkell1809
    @leonabarkell1809 Před měsícem +1886

    As a conservative, I am now skeptical aboul both gigantic business and government. It's especially dangerous because they are working together.

    • @BidenHasDementia
      @BidenHasDementia Před měsícem +90

      Government enables big businesses to exist.

    • @JoeKerr420
      @JoeKerr420 Před měsícem +49

      Think back to Teddy Roosevelt you’ll see why he was a Trust Busting conservative

    • @dmr6390
      @dmr6390 Před měsícem +59

      Great comment. Centralized power in general is always concerning to me

    • @MrDeano-eu9rg
      @MrDeano-eu9rg Před měsícem

      Hence why you shouldn't keep voting I'm the same asswipe parties...stop voting republican abd democrat

    • @aylictal
      @aylictal Před měsícem

      As a liberal, I am happy conservatives are now seeing the issue with big business. About 10 years back there was a fairly significant libertarian movement on the right, especially regarding Ron Paul and the tea party where they wanted big business to have 0 limitations and ultimately complete control. Scary when those same corporations without limitations would also without limitation take their money in towards lobbyists behind closed doors to basically be the government themselves without anyone seeing it.
      Liberals, including myself, nowadays also see the problem with big government in hindsight, especially when war is concerned. If you ask any liberal which president killed the most people in history, it wasn't a conservative, but Barack Obama. Its a fact, and hard for other libs to swallow.

  • @jakethehuman7
    @jakethehuman7 Před 20 dny +18

    When destiny talks I had to check my settings to make sure the speed wasn't at 1.25

    • @Shakawkaw
      @Shakawkaw Před 14 dny

      I kept thinking "slow it down, Ben Shapiro" (no insult intended to Destiny though)

    • @MilitaryDog.
      @MilitaryDog. Před 9 dny +2

      He kept trying to get his words out before Peterson interrupted him again. I love Jordan, it’s one of his largest flaws and he needs to work on listening for the sake of smooth conversational flow.

    • @Angiegrl
      @Angiegrl Před 5 dny +4

      @@MilitaryDog.I think Jordan Peterson is used to sparring with people with much lower intelligence than he has and he hears all of the same rhetoric over and over. I don’t blame him for immediately countering that same bs he’s heard and proven to be incorrect. Destiny was silenced SEVERAL times because he was just plain wrong. And Destiny knew he was wrong. He wasn’t speaking quickly for fear of interruption, he speaks quickly whenever he tries to put a point out that he doesn’t truly believe. I personally can’t stand Destiny but I’ll give him this - He is good at arguing and he knows it. That’s why he doesn’t have any sides or beliefs he’ll fight for. He has made Devils Advocate his entire personality. He even argues with people who agree with him. 😂

    • @MilitaryDog.
      @MilitaryDog. Před 5 dny

      @@Angiegrl I’ll refer to your expertise. You seem to know more about that Destiny kid than I do. This is my first time hearing the name.

    • @CameronsCandorOriginal
      @CameronsCandorOriginal Před 4 dny +1

      That's what all those nights as a keyboard warrior and MTN Dew will do

  • @Annatar0
    @Annatar0 Před 20 dny +42

    @1:27:26 I am suprised that Destiny does not acknowledge that they literally had definitions re-defined during the pandemic to bypass vaccine laws because the "vaccine" was not approved as a real safe vaccine. I followed what the WHO and EU did with vaccine laws during this period and its frightening how fast and quite they were about this.

    • @wacawacaflaca
      @wacawacaflaca Před 3 dny +5

      He’s become a real apologist for the establishment. Honestly he’s just really annoying nowadays.

    • @hazy_zz8106
      @hazy_zz8106 Před 3 dny +4

      That's what happens when Trump breaks a person's brain like destiny

    • @Matt-hb4yx
      @Matt-hb4yx Před 2 dny

      The change was literally:
      “The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.”
      To
      “The act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce protection from a specific disease.”
      And had no effect whatsoever on any development process, it was renamed to prevent confusion that the vaccines aren't always going to give you 100% immunity.
      If you have a source for your claim, I'd love to see it, because I can't find anything relating to it.

    • @michaelh878
      @michaelh878 Před 2 dny

      ​@@hazy_zz8106It was Trumps vaccine. He said it was the best vaccine ever. You can find a video of Kamala and many other politicians saying they don't trust the vaccine when Trump was president.

    • @blahbleh5671
      @blahbleh5671 Před dnem +1

      That's not even true

  • @normanlewis2953
    @normanlewis2953 Před měsícem +8266

    Mr Vermicelli was surprisingly respectful and well tempered. Great talk.

    • @mastakilla7317
      @mastakilla7317 Před měsícem +166

      Yeah he walked the line gracefully

    • @jordanbabcock8806
      @jordanbabcock8806 Před měsícem +205

      Except during the vaccine bit

    • @Barbato13
      @Barbato13 Před měsícem +450

      Yup Mr barmelli was nice today lol

    • @curiousrap
      @curiousrap Před měsícem +576

      Mr. Burelli used his wiki knowledge to make the conversation interesting.

    • @jc707imports
      @jc707imports Před měsícem +37

      Basssseeeddddd

  • @schwarg
    @schwarg Před měsícem +6412

    Jordans suit game is outta this world

    • @reghty
      @reghty Před měsícem +286

      Christian orthodox aesthetics 🔥

    • @iainbreen7835
      @iainbreen7835 Před měsícem +62

      Yeah that is a bold choice

    • @protoindoeuropean
      @protoindoeuropean Před měsícem +95

      @@reghtycringe

    • @vh1775
      @vh1775 Před měsícem +87

      It’s awful

    • @danfratzke5394
      @danfratzke5394 Před měsícem +150

      He wore that during the visit to sioux-falls. I asked him if he would be willing to trade, straight up, for mine. Got a solid laugh. No blazers were exchanged that evening. But memories were made.

  • @Donnybrook10
    @Donnybrook10 Před 22 dny +51

    Kudos to Jordan for not using force and strangling him.

    • @janekocorek3313
      @janekocorek3313 Před 13 dny +3

      No doubt, my computer screen is lucky to be unscathed. I so agree, condescending Ritalin talking too fast knowing too little. Humble much?

    • @mad7stringer
      @mad7stringer Před 13 dny +6

      Why? Both sides were very civil during the entire debate. It's ok to disagree with someone without feeling the need to strangle them. That was kinda the whole point of this

    • @janekocorek3313
      @janekocorek3313 Před 10 dny +1

      @@mad7stringer Absolutely agree with what you said And I enjoy a good debate always. I just think it's always standard decorum for somebody that's that much longer than somebody to show a little more reverence for the fact that person has much more life experienced and for that reason alone possibly may know a tiny bit more. Or, maybe he doesn't, but it still would shown the other guy to be more intelligent & classy had he yielded to the elder Respect thing.

    • @ThePurplemaneater
      @ThePurplemaneater Před 2 hodinami

      @@janekocorek3313 Elder respect is an incredibly stupid concept, so I disagree completely. If some octogenarian dude comes up to me and starts talking about how much better things were when women were barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and that women don't belong in the work place, I'm not going to show that person's opinion any kind of respect just because they're older.
      Yours is an incredibly naive outlook.

  • @paulmcintosh2095
    @paulmcintosh2095 Před měsícem +215

    Its good to see destiny in therapy.

    • @timelkin838
      @timelkin838 Před měsícem +4

      Savage

    • @michaelmurray7220
      @michaelmurray7220 Před 23 dny +3

      Let’s hope it works.

    • @alexduran6268
      @alexduran6268 Před 21 dnem

      Exactly

    • @daronykoy8244
      @daronykoy8244 Před 13 dny +3

      He think he’s so smart but his wife left him for a younger guy and opened relationships didn’t work either ! Looser!

    • @daronykoy8244
      @daronykoy8244 Před 13 dny

      Destiny need more dope or vaccines to keep him going

  • @Noccyboy
    @Noccyboy Před měsícem +4991

    51 minutes in, things are tense, the fadeaway to the advertisement had me DYING of laughter

    • @joshuamendez9959
      @joshuamendez9959 Před měsícem +165

      Such is the daily wire

    • @nothingspecial1241
      @nothingspecial1241 Před měsícem +142

      the only fadeaway i saw was destiny's beard. dude slipped in the shower while shaving.

    • @stillnotchill2560
      @stillnotchill2560 Před měsícem +70

      ​@@nothingspecial1241it's likely alopecia barbae. Funny how his recent interviews always have that spot of his beard facing the camera though lol. It can grow back but he should just shave the sides until it does.

    • @rubssi8741
      @rubssi8741 Před měsícem +31

      @@stillnotchill2560 It is alopecia, Destiny brought it up several times on stream.
      Edit: Also he did shave the sides xD

    • @MiddleWayLife
      @MiddleWayLife Před měsícem +46

      Yo this shit makes me so sick. Why do they cover up the actual content with the ad. Why don't they just pause the content and show the ad?

  • @pinkyi151
    @pinkyi151 Před 29 dny +31

    I just came back from seeing Dr Peterson in person tonight ...his show was awesome and interactive ! Today was also my birthday. He is the best gift I ever got for my birthday besides the birth of my kids ! 🎉I was a die hard fan but now that I’ve seen him in person I cannot begin to explain how elated I feel !!!!! Keep up the good work Dr Peterson !!!!! 😊

  • @tomadde
    @tomadde Před měsícem +14

    Amazingly good debate. Regardless if you're leaning left or right, this was just so good and intellectually satisfying. Thank you!

  • @HostileTakeover555
    @HostileTakeover555 Před měsícem +5670

    Thank you for having Mr. Bonerelli on. I always enjoy when people from different sides of the political spectrum talk to each other.

    • @stendaalcartography3436
      @stendaalcartography3436 Před měsícem +375

      It was great to see Mr. Borelli on here!

    • @NickTheShark_
      @NickTheShark_ Před měsícem +132

      Destiny has some reasonable views

    • @redacted2275
      @redacted2275 Před měsícem +46

      Good to know, *HostileTakeover555.*

    • @HostileTakeover555
      @HostileTakeover555 Před měsícem +98

      ⁠@@stendaalcartography3436 - Indeed - I like that since JP is a Psychologist that it makes for a more interesting interview/debate unlike one Mr. Cuchinelli has done before.

    • @sooperd00p
      @sooperd00p Před měsícem +135

      ​@@NickTheShark_he doesn't have any views. He is a nihilist internet debate bro. He believes in nothing.

  • @kevinross6235
    @kevinross6235 Před měsícem +5420

    I started to think this interview never happened because it took a long time to be released

    • @Ryan-on9ne
      @Ryan-on9ne Před měsícem

      Were you edging or were you gooning?

    • @beanshadow008
      @beanshadow008 Před měsícem +28

      Not everyone uses spotify

    • @kevinross6235
      @kevinross6235 Před měsícem +46

      ​@@nyChannel09I don't use Spotify for podcast and I wasn't really complaining

    • @RedactedUsername
      @RedactedUsername Před měsícem +109

      To be fair we had reason to doubt given Destiny used a JP interview as a bait & switch before

    • @kevinross6235
      @kevinross6235 Před měsícem +12

      ​@@RedactedUsernameWe certainly had a reason

  • @nathanielrocha5296
    @nathanielrocha5296 Před 5 dny +3

    It’s heartening to see lots of comments about the lack of personal attacks, but in all realness it seemed that none of the core issues that came up were resolved. Both passionately wove their own arguments without diving too deep into the others. I would certainly love to see a more structured approach to coming to understanding between the two perspectives.

  • @LoliPolice-bf7mw
    @LoliPolice-bf7mw Před 40 minutami +1

    I always love to see Jordan acknowledging these strong, independent, black women ☺

  • @kylesadirtbag5937
    @kylesadirtbag5937 Před měsícem +975

    “ guys please you’re ruining Easter for the whole family”

    • @ritafernandes7218
      @ritafernandes7218 Před měsícem +7

      😂😂😂😂😂

    • @assaqwwq
      @assaqwwq Před měsícem

      BUT I DON'T TRUST PEOPLE THAT USE FORCE, NOW LEMME HALF MY URANIUM ENRICHED KOOL AID. Grandpa, you called the cops on the "shady" people that moved next door. SO?! oh irony. Destiny says there's hypocrisy and abuses of power on both sides. JP: BUT THE LEFT... Just cause you use multi syllable words and have a degree in sociology don't make you an expert in big data modeling, idiot.

    • @chadmangimelli2834
      @chadmangimelli2834 Před měsícem

      Too late, Biden already ruined it.

    • @Snowflake_Destroyer
      @Snowflake_Destroyer Před měsícem +29

      You mean trans visibility day😂😂😂

    • @Pixelkip
      @Pixelkip Před měsícem +2

      @@Snowflake_Destroyer waaahhh

  • @terrim3853
    @terrim3853 Před měsícem +1942

    The pure joy Jordan got from an actual debate must be so rewarding 😂

    • @vettevegas
      @vettevegas Před měsícem +58

      Intellectual honesty. Nice!

    • @chekz3520
      @chekz3520 Před měsícem +46

      This wasn't a debate, really. JP debated Dillahunty, Sam Harris, and Zizek. They were all L's for him.

    • @yemartini5443
      @yemartini5443 Před měsícem

      @@chekz3520facts

    • @StarStriker-pk1zy
      @StarStriker-pk1zy Před měsícem

      lol, what ever you say buddy@@chekz3520

    • @mikesharderlemonade668gmail
      @mikesharderlemonade668gmail Před měsícem

      ​@chekz3520 you are ignorant, wrong and clearly never watched those conversations 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @gouliansimte332
    @gouliansimte332 Před 20 dny +29

    It's commendable that Jordan highlighted how whenever Destiny finds himself cornered or losing an argument, he tends to completely redefine the topic at hand. Some examples that come to mind include insisting on redefining "force" or "status" during debates.

    • @sup9023
      @sup9023 Před 8 dny +3

      where do you think he got ‘cornered’ again?🤡

    • @cooloutac
      @cooloutac Před 4 dny +6

      I think you have it backwards. Jordan started squirming and getting visibly upset when Destiny corrected his claim that we have never forced anyone to take vaccines, when we have throughout our history. That was nonsense and Jordan looked foolish for saying it. I'm sorry.

    • @terrycruise-zd5tw
      @terrycruise-zd5tw Před 2 dny +2

      its pathetic how jordan consistently backpedaled and changed the topic whenever he knew he couldnt defend his stance

    • @cooloutac
      @cooloutac Před 2 dny

      @@terrycruise-zd5tw Ya, he got a lot of pushback that climate change initiatives have made people poorer. I mean Greta Thurnberg has a career arguing the opposite lol. Also Africa finds it hard to use fossil fuels? WTF? They get whatever they want from China and that is the real problem imo. We are pushing them to fossil fuels is what is happening lol.

  • @canadsian2747
    @canadsian2747 Před měsícem +17

    Intellectual honesty is in such short supply in today's debate-sphere. Take notes, debaters.

  • @jc707imports
    @jc707imports Před měsícem +1404

    These guys had such natural chemistry they could easily do this regularly and have enormous success. Don’t sleep on this rare dynamic that’s been uncovered. It’s special.

    • @BrennanWayneLuther
      @BrennanWayneLuther Před měsícem +140

      Yeah there is something happening here that feels entirely productive.

    • @dtps_champion6016
      @dtps_champion6016 Před měsícem +10

      Good point

    • @eazeazeaz
      @eazeazeaz Před měsícem +77

      I doubt they collaborate again for a while. It’s a shame though, this convo was really good.

    • @chok1169
      @chok1169 Před měsícem +14

      Initially I didn't feel it that much, but by the end of the conversation I think it was good.

    • @dip9995
      @dip9995 Před měsícem +11

      I agree their chemistry/dynamic completely captured my attention

  • @Constantinch
    @Constantinch Před měsícem +1524

    The debate on vaccines and climate change was actually fun to listen to. I like when debate opponents actually acknowledge what the other one is saying and address it instead of running down their own dialogue tree.

    • @zakeaton5632
      @zakeaton5632 Před měsícem

      Like how neither of them or you realize that not a single pediatric vaccine in the US has ever been safety tested 😂
      Or how there’s no way to record the average temperature of the earth, least of all no way to model the infinite number of variables. If there was, banks and corporations would be using the algorithm, not the fuckin weather man 🤣
      You simpletons will fall for any propaganda

    • @user-vg5ie5hm1u
      @user-vg5ie5hm1u Před měsícem

      You literally have to have 30 iq to not get the "vaccines" was a money grab

    • @polpottopg
      @polpottopg Před měsícem +33

      @nft3 NPC

    • @zakeaton5632
      @zakeaton5632 Před měsícem +10

      @@polpottopgyou’re the npc because you dont know that a single pediatric vax has ever been safety tested 😂

    • @jacobkudrowich
      @jacobkudrowich Před měsícem +42

      ​@@zakeaton5632you'd think that would make you more apprehensive about the vaccine not less .

  • @thomaswinzy
    @thomaswinzy Před 21 dnem +7

    I've never seen Jordan like this. Have i not seen enough or is this uncommon? He handle each others "tactics" very well. Its like wisdom vs intelligence rap battle. (although they are both very intelligent)

    • @terrycruise-zd5tw
      @terrycruise-zd5tw Před 2 dny +2

      because he felt threatened by someone smarter than him who was constantly dunking on him on every topic

    • @TheZeplinfan
      @TheZeplinfan Před 13 hodinami

      actual intellect vs. faux intelligence

  • @Medievalwelding
    @Medievalwelding Před 10 dny +3

    Fantastic debate, It is so refreshing to listen to two people have smart heated conversation. Bravo to the both of you. Thanks for letting me watch. Cheers

  • @cascarrabias397
    @cascarrabias397 Před 18 dny +4

    Jordan, you are the Paul of this time.
    Great job, you and your family deserve the best.

  • @JU1CEB0X27
    @JU1CEB0X27 Před měsícem +411

    The clips are not doing this conversation justice. The clips make it seem like the conversation was very contentious but they are very civil to each other. This was wonderful thank you for the video!

    • @dominiking69
      @dominiking69 Před měsícem +18

      Same thing I thought too. Clips really paint the wrong energy of the conversation

    • @Luiz997488
      @Luiz997488 Před měsícem +2

      100%

    • @AccessCode101
      @AccessCode101 Před měsícem +2

      That's exactly what I thought.

    • @TheOzumat
      @TheOzumat Před měsícem +11

      The clippers strongly rely on the assumption that no one has the attention span to watch the original, that's why they upload strategically clipped shorts to paint the discussion in whatever light they want. Unfortunately it's working, as you can clearly see the difference between the comments section here, vs the comments sections on shorts.

    • @pablozote
      @pablozote Před měsícem +1

      You took the words out of my mouth!

  • @bryanthelyon
    @bryanthelyon Před měsícem +2896

    Probably one of JP’s most interesting talks I’ve heard in a while. Very good pairing here.

    • @knachos2233
      @knachos2233 Před měsícem +186

      Impressed by destiny

    • @arenegadeboss
      @arenegadeboss Před měsícem +231

      These guys should argue more often. I'm a destiny fan but it's so good to see someone intelligently push back and make him go a level or 2 deeper or make him use precise language particularly because Peterson is intently listening and engaging.
      Give us a once a month argument about anything 🤣

    • @HeyCutie90
      @HeyCutie90 Před měsícem +91

      Yes, I particularly liked their back and forth on vaccines. It really challenged my beliefs on both sides and I think they both made excellent points. It’s very rare to see those sorts of conversations where you can see people with opposing perspectives and agree with both in different aspects.

    • @drearmouse9510
      @drearmouse9510 Před měsícem +107

      @@arenegadeboss Right? Feel like Destiny's the only person I've personally seen that had Dr. P stopping and thinking a bit more than usual about his reasoning.

    • @JohnWheaton1
      @JohnWheaton1 Před měsícem +73

      ⁠@@drearmouse9510Yes I agree, and coming from the side of a Destiny fan, this is one of the first times I’ve truly seen someone make him stop and think about his reasoning.
      This is why it’s so important to have smart people from both sides debate complex topics, it’s the only way we can move forward as a country and as a people. Very impressed by both and I hope they do this again.

  • @neowiza360
    @neowiza360 Před 4 hodinami

    I'd be willing to pay good money for more discussions between well intentioned and knowledgeable people like these two.
    10/10

  • @zanec9108
    @zanec9108 Před 27 dny +2

    Would love to see more from these two. Great discussion.

  • @eqjase
    @eqjase Před měsícem +2062

    Bro I’m so here for this. I love how more podcasts are doing the left/right crossover. I respect both these gentlemen.

    • @susanzeidler3960
      @susanzeidler3960 Před měsícem

      It would be nice to have more of them but the only people I've seen from the left that are willing to do it are Destiny and Ana Kasparian.
      Well, Cenk went on a couple during his 'presidential run' but IMO it was only to grandstand and try for 'gotchas'. He didn't seem interested in having a real discussion.

    • @TheNancypoo
      @TheNancypoo Před měsícem +52

      This used to be the norm.
      It's weird you think this is so novel 🙄

    • @Kurnhelios
      @Kurnhelios Před měsícem +63

      @@TheNancypooWhen was it the norm? I’m only 26 and this is pretty unique to me (since I’ve been old enough to remember and appreciate it)

    • @chadduckenfield7374
      @chadduckenfield7374 Před měsícem +13

      I would n🎉describe Destiny as a gentleman

    • @plastifiedmetal5682
      @plastifiedmetal5682 Před měsícem +34

      ​@@Kurnheliosim 29. This was before our time. Firing line is a good example. Check out Thomas Sowell on there, its incredible.

  • @davidryan8547
    @davidryan8547 Před měsícem +963

    Destiny it was NOT Biden alone that said the vaccine would get rid of transmission. NIH officials and CDC officials said the same thing.

    • @kylemcmahon9868
      @kylemcmahon9868 Před měsícem +17

      Did they say it got rid? Or reduced?

    • @adamcox6960
      @adamcox6960 Před měsícem +148

      Fauci himself said it

    • @SquishJessica
      @SquishJessica Před měsícem +51

      @@kylemcmahon9868 They absolutely said reduce lol

    • @adamcox6960
      @adamcox6960 Před měsícem +135

      @SquishJessica in the beginning they said " got rid of"

    • @jd8184
      @jd8184 Před měsícem

      @@adamcox6960fauci said it 1 time. If you look at the bulk of the messages from the go and people like fauci, then its clear they ran a campaign that said it would reduce.

  • @reskridge
    @reskridge Před 17 dny

    Throughly enjoyed the conversation! My brother and I have similar conversations every Wednesday evening

  • @sbeiting07
    @sbeiting07 Před měsícem +1542

    Thank you for having Ms. Boncinelli on the show. I always appreciate when two people on opposite sides of the autism spectrum can have a civil debate

    • @emmayates9309
      @emmayates9309 Před měsícem +136

      I’m forever now describing the variation in autism as the Peterson end and the Destiny end. Golden observation

    • @likejimi5845
      @likejimi5845 Před měsícem +16

      Lmaoo well done

    • @pocketrealitty
      @pocketrealitty Před měsícem +22

      I don’t understand. Is this your attempt at being funny?

    • @lesterdiamonds27
      @lesterdiamonds27 Před měsícem +71

      In the brilliant words of Mrs Candace Owens to destiny “aren’t you too old to be acting and thinking the way you do?”

    • @AJ........
      @AJ........ Před měsícem +45

      Opposite sides of the spectrum, and opposite sexes

  • @KayellVargas
    @KayellVargas Před měsícem +686

    The way Jordan Peterson can review the conversation on command and recall a point from the beginning of the convo to then apply it with surgical precision is quite incredible

    • @Alan_Edwards
      @Alan_Edwards Před měsícem +12

      Great observation. I just started watching the video but I totally get your point and have seen it many times. I wish I could do that or could even retain just a tiny bit of the things I read like JP can.

    • @dantheman1337
      @dantheman1337 Před měsícem +11

      He's a clinical psychologist

    • @mandrewski2742
      @mandrewski2742 Před měsícem +43

      My wife can do this and I find it OP and unfair lol

    • @KayellVargas
      @KayellVargas Před měsícem +7

      @@mandrewski2742 all i can say in regards to such a skill is with great power comes great responsibility 🤣

    • @oliverbird6914
      @oliverbird6914 Před měsícem +2

      I thought he lost this argument and I didn't want him to

  • @rcnewman51.
    @rcnewman51. Před 28 dny +11

    It’s incredibly refreshing to hear a healthy disagreement. Something that is hard to find these days.

  • @riggy2339
    @riggy2339 Před 13 dny +2

    I would've loved it if all the links to citated facts were available. For example I can't find the excess deaths increased by 20% stat.

  • @ryanperrett3740
    @ryanperrett3740 Před měsícem +463

    I noticed something very important in this debate. Both were willing to clarify definitions on multiple occasions.

    • @vicevilla9949
      @vicevilla9949 Před měsícem +25

      That makes everything consistent and they are both in the same terms in what they're talking about. There's something relaxing and satisfying when the conversation is this clear

    • @joaomercado3220
      @joaomercado3220 Před měsícem +6

      Which makes it all very entertaining and engaging right to the end.

    • @Grubiantoll
      @Grubiantoll Před měsícem +8

      Both are also activily engaging ain listening and trying to understand what other person is saying, instead of the usual where there is one person who is doing very little listening but a huge lot of assuming

    • @mattbowden1981
      @mattbowden1981 Před měsícem +7

      So much better than name calling

    • @Sandlund93
      @Sandlund93 Před měsícem +6

      If only more people cared about definitions. Instead we assume the worst and end up arguing about 2 different things, while thinking we are arguing about the same thing. Which is just a waste of time.

  • @Jhonatt
    @Jhonatt Před měsícem +288

    Destiny really looked happy to be there and discuss with JP. I think it shows a lot of respect. And vice versa.

    • @fg-l3565
      @fg-l3565 Před měsícem +19

      I've been following Destiny for quite a long time at this point, this had to have been his best conversation in years. JBP's a fantastic speaker.

  • @Mc1aine
    @Mc1aine Před 23 dny

    Very Illuminating Dr. Peterson. Thankyou. I've been wanting to know more about this chap.

  • @OliThaTwist
    @OliThaTwist Před 19 dny +12

    This was an outstanding debate between two people operating with decorum and good faith. That said.....Destiny absolutely nailed Peterson on almost every point of fundamental disagreement.

    • @spacemanjet
      @spacemanjet Před 12 dny +1

      No

    • @MilitaryDog.
      @MilitaryDog. Před 9 dny +1

      I wish. Sadly Peterson simply has the better and more logical argument on every point.
      I wanted Destiny to come with some better arguments than what the left usually uses but he didn’t and Peterson used the same old talking points of the right and Destiny had no chance.
      Either way, the left and the right are both wrong and they’re both one sided.
      The real answer is in the nuance. Things that neither side brings up.

    • @michaelh878
      @michaelh878 Před 2 dny

      It wasn't a debate. It was an interview which included some disagreements.

    • @TheZeplinfan
      @TheZeplinfan Před 13 hodinami

      hardly

  • @bigsnacks2350
    @bigsnacks2350 Před měsícem +512

    This interview is giving me nostalgia from Old School JP debates. I'm very encouraged at the intellectual honesty both men had, no personal attacks, no assuming other person's perspective, just speaking about the issues

    • @FastAndEasy2010
      @FastAndEasy2010 Před měsícem +10

      Just, you know, climate change science is equivalent to nazis...that part is pretty dishonest

    • @mp29940
      @mp29940 Před měsícem +23

      Destiny is not an intellectual. Sorry about that. He made his name off of TDS

    • @johnnyr4767
      @johnnyr4767 Před měsícem +18

      ​@FastAndEasy2010 not climate science, the movement behind climate science, you didn't pay enough attention apparently

    • @Rays_Bad_Decisions
      @Rays_Bad_Decisions Před měsícem

      Yes but the interview is a good example of why the left avoids debate and relies on censorship and paid influencers

    • @Rays_Bad_Decisions
      @Rays_Bad_Decisions Před měsícem

      ​@@FastAndEasy2010your right the Nazis raised their people's standard of living

  • @kevinross6235
    @kevinross6235 Před měsícem +3401

    The interview is actually real

  • @globaldemise
    @globaldemise Před 18 dny +1

    Love this! More of this please! Love watching Peterson getting passionate.

  • @mandyklasson2991
    @mandyklasson2991 Před 18 dny +3

    Destiny! Please agree to do another one of these! I would love to listen to you guys talk. I look up to you BOTH and would LOVE to listen to more of this!

  • @strategosopsikion8576
    @strategosopsikion8576 Před měsícem +485

    I applaud both for this conversation. It got heated and yet remained cordial with no personal attacks. Very well done. We need more of this

    • @adedejiiyanuoluwa2898
      @adedejiiyanuoluwa2898 Před měsícem +5

      Destiny was too hasty to conclude that there were predictions by the conservatives about the side effects of the vaccines of which none of the predictions came through. There were actually side effects, although it might not have been pronounced as expected.

    • @jizim8947
      @jizim8947 Před měsícem +3

      I agree. Things have gotten so bad I can't even talk to my best friend about politics it's sad

    • @malasc12
      @malasc12 Před měsícem +1

      Which is odd , since Destiny usually leans on personal attacks in debate

    • @assaqwwq
      @assaqwwq Před měsícem +1

      Got heated because JP yelled at someone half his age that he doesn't TRUST PEOPLE THAT USE FORCE when that wasn't even the argument in the first place 😂

    • @assaqwwq
      @assaqwwq Před měsícem +1

      ​@@jizim8947do more listening than talking. Also take notes. But Destiny is running laps around JP here. Destiny said we live in different worlds with different facts and that more people should be present in the same space. JP ignored that because he was too busy to yell.

  • @kjuddy4522
    @kjuddy4522 Před měsícem +454

    All this conversation proved is you two should have 1,000 more. You both welcome disagreement and can overcome the generational gap. When’s the next episode…

    • @thorinhannahs4614
      @thorinhannahs4614 Před měsícem +5

      Most debates would benefit from multiple rounds of long form discussion. Unless your intent is to "win." Often times a chunk of the debate is just understanding what the other person is saying.

    • @TNTspaz
      @TNTspaz Před měsícem

      It's pretty rare to have two people in a room who understand this concept. Hopefully we get more. Took like multiple years to make this convo happen though@@thorinhannahs4614

    • @tedmonster66
      @tedmonster66 Před měsícem +1

      What info from "Destiny" was accurate and not liberal talking points?

    • @redeyesb.dragonite8562
      @redeyesb.dragonite8562 Před měsícem +10

      @@tedmonster66 So if you're making the claim all his info was incorrect, the onus is on you to provide the evidence, maybe show us something to tell us what was incorrect. Though also something being a talking point doesn't mean the info isn't inaccurate, I especially for talking points from the left, who prefer to actually reference scientists rather than whatever slop comes out of trumps mouth/twitter that morning.

    • @jonathanh761
      @jonathanh761 Před měsícem

      You had me until you said especially talking points from the left. That is absurd. Both sides routinely speak out their back end with no sources or research to back them up. Watch any politician on the left talk about firearms for an easy example. They have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. It's a massive err to think your side is more intellectual than the other side. Both sides have roughly the same proportion of smart intellectuals to dumb follow the narrative types because that distribution exists in the human species. One side doesn't draw more than the other. @@redeyesb.dragonite8562

  • @punk6969
    @punk6969 Před 15 dny +1

    One of the best debates i've seen in years, What a treat.

  • @kihlgast8181
    @kihlgast8181 Před 26 dny +2

    Best debate ive ever seen, and seems like both are more or less open to debate and hearing the other side. and the counters are good on both sides.

  • @cubrman
    @cubrman Před měsícem +1295

    One of Jordan's best interviews by a large margin.

    • @andrewstarr8062
      @andrewstarr8062 Před měsícem +48

      Yeah if you're a Destiny Stan who has only listened to this one interview...

    • @TheRandomThings23
      @TheRandomThings23 Před měsícem

      @@andrewstarr8062you all over the comments crying jp had an interesting conversation, your brain is rotted

    • @user-wn1kq8jx5q
      @user-wn1kq8jx5q Před měsícem +201

      @@andrewstarr8062who hurt you lol

    • @danielvera9890
      @danielvera9890 Před měsícem

      yeah i would not declare that so quickly. But i enjoyed it a lot. @@andrewstarr8062

    • @Lol-ww8xd
      @Lol-ww8xd Před měsícem +45

      Yep, it was an immaculate debate by two excellent intellectuals on opposite political spectrum.

  • @user-qn5nz3ve6x
    @user-qn5nz3ve6x Před měsícem +576

    These two guys could argue forever. The second half of this was gold. I'd love to see another one with these two. This was great. Round 2 please. Somebody make it happen.

    • @yupimawesome
      @yupimawesome Před měsícem +9

      Peterson said at the end of the conversation/debate that they will talk more.

    • @boogie8586
      @boogie8586 Před měsícem

      ​@yupimawesome hm really? Are you sure about that bud? Hm? Are you confident? Yea? Feeling confident about what you just commented? Well I'll have you know, I lost my dad in a boating accident on 2/7/04 and after he died we went through his belongings and found out he had a child bride in Thailand.
      What a world!

    • @krappa1234
      @krappa1234 Před měsícem +2

      @@boogie8586 Ain no way bucco . @yupimawesome must be quakin in his boots rn

    • @boogie8586
      @boogie8586 Před měsícem +1

      @@krappa1234 yes I truly showed him and put him in his place, like the giga Chad I am, ofc😎😈

    • @Kleta
      @Kleta Před měsícem +4

      I do hope he brings mr. Borrelli back for a second round

  • @_bearbell
    @_bearbell Před 2 dny +1

    Love the arguing with the teacher vibes throughout.

  • @konyecstrength4life
    @konyecstrength4life Před 22 dny +6

    This is one of the best conversations/debates i have seen. Respectful throughout.

  • @MADDcartman
    @MADDcartman Před měsícem +704

    Impressed that JP’s community is receiving this well in the comments. Nowadays it seems a roll of the dice whether a community will receive such a contentious conversation. Impressed by these two gentleman as always.

    • @cocoblaze10
      @cocoblaze10 Před měsícem +66

      Sort by newest and you’ll see the anger behold you lol

    • @user-by6fp4ov3k
      @user-by6fp4ov3k Před měsícem +80

      Funnily enough, its the opposite audience that comes in rude, doing nothing reaponding to his points but just disparaginf his relationship.
      Destiny's audience is pruned over time to be the open ones. He has had debatea from communists to nick fuentes. They aren't going to be offended by peterson.

    • @broobit7540
      @broobit7540 Před měsícem

      ​@@user-by6fp4ov3kcertainly not offended by jp. He was refreshingly good faith.

    • @fox1actual
      @fox1actual Před měsícem +38

      You can’t say the same for Destiny’s audience.

    • @bperez8656
      @bperez8656 Před měsícem +64

      Destiny wanted so badly to be right about vaccine harm denialism and was just out of his league.

  • @ScriptedLinks
    @ScriptedLinks Před měsícem +1652

    You rarely ever see Peterson like this. It's fantastic to watch.

    • @hatersgotohell627
      @hatersgotohell627 Před měsícem +85

      I've never seen him like this.

    • @user-qd8ou9lo4x
      @user-qd8ou9lo4x Před měsícem +211

      He's used to people agreeing with him on everything

    • @ScriptedLinks
      @ScriptedLinks Před měsícem

      @@user-qd8ou9lo4x He's tired of the facade and lies. Quite a lot of us are at this point.

    • @mrmr2488
      @mrmr2488 Před měsícem

      @@user-qd8ou9lo4xhe’s probably not use to talking to midwits that just rattle off talking points that the person saying them doesn’t even understand. Zero original thoughts, all partisan hackery

    • @yama4ever
      @yama4ever Před měsícem

      That's actually the opposite. His rise to fame was because of talking with people that disagreed with him.@@user-qd8ou9lo4x

  • @Beef_it_to_be_fit
    @Beef_it_to_be_fit Před 12 dny +2

    Des-Tiny at it again. I remember when he said he could not tell his daughter why incest was wrong.

  • @nonphixionification
    @nonphixionification Před měsícem +2

    Great conversation !

  • @kevinross6235
    @kevinross6235 Před měsícem +963

    Maybe it's just me, but I really like how animated both of them are in this conversation

    • @pinto_8261
      @pinto_8261 Před měsícem +85

      @@Noname-lw6hpbrother what lol

    • @andy2012ization
      @andy2012ization Před měsícem +67

      @@Noname-lw6hp that sounds like projecting your anxiety

    • @maxsmith8196
      @maxsmith8196 Před měsícem +67

      ​@@Noname-lw6hpIt feels more like destiny is being careful not to be too confrontational, to not shut down the conversation

    • @Osvath97
      @Osvath97 Před měsícem +11

      Yes, (except for at certain micro-points), the animation felt passionate and sincere rather than an explosion of hostility.

    • @primedcg
      @primedcg Před měsícem +4

      how many top comments can you have in one thread

  • @gadsby
    @gadsby Před měsícem +415

    I think Peterson really enjoyed having a fiery conversation with someone on the left who could hold their own without having to resort to personal jabs. Allowing him to let his emotions fly and then come back and fourth between emotions on important topics. At the end I think he was impressed with Destiny and tipped his hat to a worthy opponent. I REALLY enjoyed this one.

    • @Beachhead13
      @Beachhead13 Před měsícem +14

      Exact words I'd say. Yes. I enjoy both men respectively for their points even before this debate. Awaiting for round 2

    • @Fitins400
      @Fitins400 Před měsícem

      Destiny isn't on the left lol he's a lukewarm liberal at best

    • @jasonuerkvitz3756
      @jasonuerkvitz3756 Před měsícem +11

      Worthy opponent, perhaps, but maybe Dr. Peterson saw a bit of the student in Destiny. I just hope Destiny bears enough humility to remember what he learned.

    • @aldreiong7679
      @aldreiong7679 Před měsícem +8

      Jordan usually gets exhausted when it comes to arguments because they usually lead to conflict and Jordan doesn't like conflict (though he hates delayed conflict even more) but watching him while he's in it is so mesmerizing

    • @Grockrobin
      @Grockrobin Před měsícem +9

      I think Destiny won this. More convincing in his arguments. Great debate.

  • @SoCalledChristian
    @SoCalledChristian Před 12 hodinami +2

    Destiny did a good job talking with Jordan. I’m impressed even though I don’t agree with everything he says he made some good points. I really enjoyed this.

  • @bluejournal83
    @bluejournal83 Před 4 dny

    The format for this debate/discussion is fire. Thank you thank you thank you Jordan.

  • @tomasroque3338
    @tomasroque3338 Před měsícem +710

    Please consider a second long-form discussion! The chemistry was through the roof, and there is no better combination of people so politically opposed while remaining a) intellectually respectable, b) clear in expression, and c) civil in conduct.
    The unique productivity here would be a gift to the world if you started a podcast together.

    • @paprikash8574
      @paprikash8574 Před měsícem

      "Destiny" is intellectually dishonest. He either plays the contrarian fukhed or is an actual dumass

    • @spekopz
      @spekopz Před měsícem +29

      Definately agree, 2 hours was too short!

    • @dizzzzzzler
      @dizzzzzzler Před měsícem

      Respectable? Destiny is a smug half brain who argues in bad faith. When Jordan calls him out on his worldview and asks him to defend it, Destiny can only scoff and say, “Well what’s your big brain plan?” Destiny doesn’t have the intellectual rigor to even be in the same room, and certainly not debating.

    • @hardstyle8184
      @hardstyle8184 Před měsícem +8

      hahaha agreed

    • @psSubstratum
      @psSubstratum Před měsícem +8

      absolutely agreed

  • @coudgeb
    @coudgeb Před měsícem +626

    This is exactly why free speech is so damn important.
    Without it we can never talk to each other

    • @user-uk3gk6rf7v
      @user-uk3gk6rf7v Před měsícem +7

      be honest do you even want to talk to them

    • @victorespino5650
      @victorespino5650 Před měsícem +10

      Peterson didn't let Destiny speak at all though lol

    • @dewaldpretorius5295
      @dewaldpretorius5295 Před měsícem +1

      @@victorespino5650no, it’s Destiny that doesn’t have anything to contribute.
      He’s an idiot.

    • @MagicToenail
      @MagicToenail Před měsícem

      Free speech protects you from the government and it has been like that since the dawn of this nation

    • @VampireLaura1997
      @VampireLaura1997 Před měsícem +14

      @@victorespino5650 right? He was shouting the entire time and interrupted him left right and centre. Super disappointed...

  • @CaptainZigZag27
    @CaptainZigZag27 Před 18 dny +3

    Let's pit Destiny against Ben Shapiro to see who can spit out more words per minute.

    • @markmalyshev2031
      @markmalyshev2031 Před 18 dny +2

      That's totally already happened. Check out Lex Friedman

  • @drarsen33
    @drarsen33 Před 4 dny +2

    AstraZeneca pulling their vaccine is nice boost for Jordan's point.

  • @dkkeyz8815
    @dkkeyz8815 Před měsícem +600

    This kinda feels like a professor talking to one of the smart students in class and I’m really the shop class guy watching from the window.

    • @rooftopirishman4571
      @rooftopirishman4571 Před měsícem +18

      LMAO

    • @KurNorock
      @KurNorock Před měsícem +80

      You give destiny a lot of credit calling him a smart student.
      He isn't. He just has a good memory and has read the first 3 results of many Google searches that already agree with what he thinks.

    • @eshwarprasad9218
      @eshwarprasad9218 Před měsícem

      thats one of the more popular definitions of a smart student.@@KurNorock

    • @luctapia
      @luctapia Před měsícem

      @@KurNorock my guess is you should be there with Jordan Peterson instead of Destiny? nope you'll still be just a loser throwing shade at him from a youtube comment section, whoops!

    • @erenkruger849
      @erenkruger849 Před měsícem +56

      you clearly haven't watched a single stream@@KurNorock

  • @Graavyrobber
    @Graavyrobber Před měsícem +412

    The comment section on this alone shows that this was a huge W for both parties involved.

    • @DAKreates
      @DAKreates Před měsícem +10

      Exactly

    • @mistersonnen848
      @mistersonnen848 Před měsícem +18

      Cause they showed humility to agree with each other's good point

    • @xander9460
      @xander9460 Před měsícem +16

      Both made good arguments, presented good information, didn't resort to personal attacks. All in all, a good discussion. Tempers got a bit heated tho. Peterson could do with a little less shouting and interrupting. Which surprised me, that's very unlike him. Normally he's very calm and collected in a discussion.

    • @mikejames1882
      @mikejames1882 Před měsícem +1

      Anybody who thinks "destiny" represented himself well here needs to stop drinking soy lattes. It's hard to watch, or listen to such a sad, indoctrinated, demoralized and effeminate man for this long. If you think he made good points, you need to change yourself fundamentally to become a man. Peterson is also not the way. He merely points in the faint direction of the way.

    • @StackingGains
      @StackingGains Před měsícem +6

      ​@@xander9460yes that surprised me, but having a bit of emotion can be interesting for those of us watching.

  • @common-peasant
    @common-peasant Před 12 dny +3

    Destiny: what is the vers system?
    JP explains
    destiny: the vers isnt the gold standard of anything.

    • @remipadoin4329
      @remipadoin4329 Před 8 hodinami

      One of the many times Mr. Ignorelli showed us he has no fucking clue.

  • @Hammy76
    @Hammy76 Před 22 dny +2

    When Jordan sits up in his chair you know the conversation just got interesting lol

  • @cheyrav5194
    @cheyrav5194 Před měsícem +1120

    Mr Cincinatti was super respectful in this conversation, great talk.

    • @VarnoSlimm
      @VarnoSlimm Před měsícem +58

      Mr Martelli

    • @marthaimmer5675
      @marthaimmer5675 Před měsícem +23

      I spit out my coffee at this comment; I regret that I only have one like to give

    • @ryzikx
      @ryzikx Před měsícem +45

      Mr Spaghetti

    • @aries8910
      @aries8910 Před měsícem +32

      Imagine being a jp viewer and seeing all these dgg comments lol

    • @SJSharkByte
      @SJSharkByte Před měsícem

      @@aries8910the psyop is in full effect dggL

  • @emilcioran7444
    @emilcioran7444 Před měsícem +411

    No ad-hominems. This is the way it should ALWAYS be in debates.

    • @bigboicreme
      @bigboicreme Před měsícem

      😂❤

    • @glensmillie5101
      @glensmillie5101 Před měsícem +3

      Distinction between right and wrong becomes irrelevant upon the unyielding fields of subliminal enterprise, must a discussion pertaining to efficacy denote the honoury? How I admire you both, this is the best advocation for reasonableness yet.
      Bravo 😅

    • @jimjohn9041
      @jimjohn9041 Před měsícem

      Lol you don’t see much

    • @glensmillie5101
      @glensmillie5101 Před měsícem +2

      @@jimjohn9041 nay brother, I see all

    • @revmsj
      @revmsj Před měsícem +3

      I know right! It’s funny/sad how it seems so abnormal and note worthy watching a 2 hour long debate between polar opposites completely devoid of ad hominem lobbing, and only a handful of moments of voice elevation and head shaking. Perhaps these two could conduct debate classes for would be and current politicians alike…🤔🤷🏾‍♂️

  • @Alincoln333
    @Alincoln333 Před 24 dny +1

    A regular discourse between these two figures would be a great service to world politics.

  • @julioperes4430
    @julioperes4430 Před 18 dny +3

    JP is like a professor talking to a first grader.

  • @alfrodo3821
    @alfrodo3821 Před měsícem +1

    I think that Dr. Peterson should interview Patrick Smith from the Anarchast podcast. It would be interesting to hear them talk for a couple hours.

  • @WTHFX
    @WTHFX Před měsícem +466

    This was actually one of the most interesting and dynamic debates either of the participants have engaged in quite some time. Kudos to both Dr. Peterson and Destiny for both giving as good as they got.

    • @SubvertTheState
      @SubvertTheState Před měsícem +11

      Right? I did not expect this level of conversation between a blue haired gamer and an exiled Psychology Professor.

    • @mikesmith9501
      @mikesmith9501 Před měsícem +6

      Exiled? You mean thrown out of the Canadian Cult? Because that's exactly what happened.@@SubvertTheState

    • @ec9313
      @ec9313 Před měsícem +1

      this was amazing

    • @GiltleyRage
      @GiltleyRage Před měsícem +2

      It's a gem amongst the debates, I hope it will go viral.

    • @subOceanofoilfilm
      @subOceanofoilfilm Před měsícem

      I think "thrown out" and exiled can mean the same thing lol@@mikesmith9501

  • @mirandashuwera3389
    @mirandashuwera3389 Před měsícem +457

    This needed to be 3x longer! IMO. It was extremely satisfying to see this conversation happen. Thank you to both Dr Peterson and Destiny. ❤

    • @joesecord3066
      @joesecord3066 Před měsícem +5

      Thank God it wasn't. Peterson really just talks a lot and could benefit from becoming more concise. Maybe you are a Peterson fan, and it wasn't as noticeable, but coming from Destiny's audience, it made many parts tough to listen to

    • @brockfg
      @brockfg Před měsícem +9

      ​@joesecord3066 i am a regular destiny viewer and i generally disagree with you. The only times i feel like jordan needs to speed it up is when it is religious, due to my lack of interest.

    • @zephaniahnoahmusic
      @zephaniahnoahmusic Před měsícem +1

      IKR! Now I want Daily Wire+

    • @Lucabran9093
      @Lucabran9093 Před měsícem +2

      @@joesecord3066I really enjoyed Peterson. Although he got a little heated, it was coool to see him actually argue against destiny on shit that conservatives run away from when on destiny’s stream.
      Really really enjoyable.

    • @lumpyrex007
      @lumpyrex007 Před měsícem +3

      ​@@joesecord3066
      Destiny viewer here. I enjoyed. Acting like destiny fans are used to higher discussion is a joke.
      This is core destiny.

  • @jessmueller8300
    @jessmueller8300 Před 19 dny +2

    Very entertaining interview. I dont know who Destiny is but I'm left with the impression that he'd argue with himself if no-one else was there.

  • @matthewburns7989
    @matthewburns7989 Před měsícem +1

    Peterson back in fire, this is up there with the 2018 video that’s gone down in the annals of history I’d think!

  • @dustinildefonso8160
    @dustinildefonso8160 Před měsícem +918

    This was probably the best "debate" conversation between these kind of people in a while

    • @habitat2990
      @habitat2990 Před měsícem +17

      I agree it was one of the best debates and the emotional hubris that represents the left Lost again!

    • @OhWellWhatTheHell1
      @OhWellWhatTheHell1 Před měsícem +124

      @@habitat2990 Dude, I feel like we were watching two different debates lmao. Destiny was doing his usual thing of rapid-firing facts and opinions, Peterson was hyper emotional, esp when they got to the climate change and vaccine stuff.

    • @spacecoyote55
      @spacecoyote55 Před měsícem +45

      ​@@OhWellWhatTheHell1There was crazy emotion flowing from them both of them- they just show it so differently. It was very interesting to watch!

    • @unspoken7704
      @unspoken7704 Před měsícem

      @@OhWellWhatTheHell1 I don't know how many Russian bots are on this thread. Didn't Jordan Peterson go to Moscow for "detox"?

    • @lucasglowacki4683
      @lucasglowacki4683 Před měsícem +6

      Yeah! I miss debates. CZcams was full of them 6-7 years back!

  • @AfionFada
    @AfionFada Před měsícem +118

    This is the most respectful heated debate I have ever seen. Absolutely amazing ❤

  • @lucassnijder5404
    @lucassnijder5404 Před 26 dny +6

    Amazing to see an intelligent character on the left having the courage to challenge the right prominent figures.

    • @melancholymartialarts7095
      @melancholymartialarts7095 Před 10 dny +1

      Intelligent?

    • @remipadoin4329
      @remipadoin4329 Před 8 hodinami

      Wow, intelligent? Mr.Ignorelli is a great memorizer, but that's all he is. He can juggle wikipedia-stats but has very little philosophical or ethical background which cause him to implode in the face of one of our time's great thinkers. And how he laughs at VAERS, how he laughs at efficacy studies, he laughs at excess mortality rates that he has never heard of in his echo chamber just underscores this.

  • @kimber-leigh
    @kimber-leigh Před 18 dny

    I love the passion is this discussion ❤
    This is AMAZING!!!!!!!!

  • @bryanjerome8534
    @bryanjerome8534 Před měsícem +496

    I wish the left and right could have more respectful yet passionate debates like this.

    • @dionysian222
      @dionysian222 Před měsícem +27

      The problem is there’s money to be made and a cult of personality to be built by polarizing.

    • @AdmiringObserverR
      @AdmiringObserverR Před měsícem +9

      Each side has people of different levels of intellect, discussion and argument skillsets, and varying motivations. I enjoy when these people get matched up and talk are the best things to listen to.

    • @personface108
      @personface108 Před měsícem +13

      Jordan, while not arguing in good faith, is at the bare minimum being respectful to destiny. Every argument I've ever been in with a conservative has devolved into ad hominem attacks, mistaking feelings for facts, or putting up a literal wall between them and simply opening a dictionary or googling a concept they don't understand. I too would love for more discussions like this but Trumps own personal unscrupulous and disrespectful behavior is inspiring the right to act likewise

    • @thepoeticbutcher3370
      @thepoeticbutcher3370 Před měsícem

      @@personface108…..that’s exactly what Liberals do.
      Call names(Nazis is the go to)
      Big thing is that you can’t critique any other race, because that’s….. .

    • @thepoeticbutcher3370
      @thepoeticbutcher3370 Před měsícem +27

      @@personface108 ….. I was reading your obviously false words & wondering when the TDS would come into play..
      You nailed it🫡

  • @jeffpeterson4287
    @jeffpeterson4287 Před měsícem +315

    So good to see JP looking healthy again.

  • @thomashuxtable2817
    @thomashuxtable2817 Před 17 dny +2

    You know Jordan’s about to cook when he sits up straight and starts moving his hands😂

  • @TRDFanatic
    @TRDFanatic Před 9 dny

    Death by 1,000 cuts. How eloquently masterful Dr. Peterson. I own your library and am enamored with the aplomb and appropriateness of your approach to today’s issues. I can’t get enough DJP content. Keep up the good work!

  • @BradleyKang23
    @BradleyKang23 Před měsícem +299

    I wish I had professors like Jordan when I was in school

    • @emalek8290
      @emalek8290 Před měsícem +5

      Earlier version of Jordan, yes.

    • @youmakemehappy7
      @youmakemehappy7 Před měsícem +2

      I KNOW. It'd be a DREAM😊

    • @simonfredheim9581
      @simonfredheim9581 Před měsícem +7

      A professor who get's mad when you disagree with him? No thanks

    • @MrDeano-eu9rg
      @MrDeano-eu9rg Před měsícem +5

      Hes just another stock standard right wing talking head...he just seems smarter.

    • @emalek8290
      @emalek8290 Před měsícem

      @@simonfredheim9581 lol great point

  • @user-wg5db6pb7z
    @user-wg5db6pb7z Před 21 dnem +1

    This a type of conversation that EVERY person with a strong opinion should seek. Find someone who disagrees with you but can tolerate discussing it with you.

  • @jessegarnertheopinionated544

    Even when they got worked up and upset with each other their interaction was amazing and rather hilarious too.

  • @Brodie333
    @Brodie333 Před měsícem +262

    Has to be one of Jordans Petersons best videos in a long time ! These 2 held up a great conversation hope to see Destiny on here again !!!

  • @d.falcao9448
    @d.falcao9448 Před měsícem +611

    Dear Dr Jordan Peterson - I hope you invite Steve again! I found this to be one of the best conversations because he was challenging you a lot, but respectfully! It was amazing to see a more left person enganging with you in a respectful and disagreable manner, without resorting to insults or just attacking you with dishonest and bad faith arguments. Your talks are very interesting, no doubt, but seeing someone pushing you more on your ideas was super entertaining. Sometimes it feels certain guests or interviewers don't challenge you as much as Steve did - and because they dont challenge that much, your talking points become slightly repetitive and are not explored more deeply. This was awesome!

    • @khallingstad
      @khallingstad Před měsícem +24

      I 100% agree

    • @pabloincell35
      @pabloincell35 Před měsícem +13

      Bring actual covid data because 90% of what he said about covid was incorrect

    • @theresefournier3269
      @theresefournier3269 Před měsícem

      ​@@pabloincell35You're generous ❤

    • @theresefournier3269
      @theresefournier3269 Před měsícem +4

      90% of my comments... just... disappear.
      Even HERE ❤

    • @EtriaHarper
      @EtriaHarper Před měsícem

      @@pabloincell35it would be great for you to provide the information instead the like “just Google it bro” approach, if you have any interest in actually swaying anyone as opposed to just shouting into the void here. But ey that’s probably exactly what I’m doing now lol

  • @erictheviking844
    @erictheviking844 Před 24 dny +2

    1:55:46 this is absolutely accurate. There is NOTHING worse than waiting for the justice that you believe you must face.

  • @jean-michelbranchaud9663
    @jean-michelbranchaud9663 Před měsícem +1

    Omg what a great discussion! Jordan's a beast! And destiny is good at his argument, but I can't lean left Im center

  • @massn1990
    @massn1990 Před měsícem +354

    Great talk between Mr. Peterson and Mr. Morelli

    • @nft3
      @nft3 Před měsícem +1

      No.

    • @Truth_is_hard283
      @Truth_is_hard283 Před měsícem +3

      😂

    • @ten4l
      @ten4l Před měsícem +13

      @@nft3 Heh I am so cool by writing short edgy responses that are open to diverse interpretation

    • @comicsans6487
      @comicsans6487 Před měsícem +17

      that's Mr. Motormouth Morelly for you.

    • @ignassliuzas7583
      @ignassliuzas7583 Před měsícem +3

      @@comicsans6487 no it's Mr. Moronelli