Jordan Peterson: “There was plenty of motivation to take me out. It just didn't work" | British GQ
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- As part of our 30th-anniversary dissection of masculinity, Helen Lewis interviews controversial Canadian academic and bestselling author Jordan Peterson about the patriarchy, the alt-right, gay parenting, fascist ideologies, his all-beef diet and much more...
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Jordan Peterson: “There was plenty of motivation to take me out. It just didn't work"
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“I can’t wait to not to buy her book.”GQ deleted this comment around several times now. Never let this comment die
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Keep goin my friend!
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52:47
There is a visible edit-cut here.
Vote this up so people recognize they removed his response.
Well that's damning
Yes, it seems you are correct. I had thought the continuity seemed disrupted but didn't give it enough thought til I read your post. thank you for pointing this out. Wonder what exactly they were afraid to let viewers hear and wanted to cut out.
He made her cry after that idiotic opinion about what hierarchy is.
@@navindudissanayake9883 Agreed. Peterson's opinion on hierarchy is idiotic.
@@psychcowboy1 you cant even read, can you? You are such an imbecil that you think your opinion on hierarchy is more valid than the findings of a scientist...
To be fair, one thing I really appreciated about this interview is that she let him talk even if she misrepresented/misunderstood his arguments. And least she didn’t keep repeating: “So what you are saying is…”
Peterson pulls a Cathy Newman though: 19:00 'I don't regard the West as a tyrannical patriarchy, that's for sure its purely not, when you describe it as tyrannical patriarchy you are saying it is purely that, merely to define it as a patriarchy implies unidimensionality, to insist that is also tyrannical is not a balanced view point, what if the patriarchy is composed primarily of women, [Helen corrects JP vocabulary problem, that would be a matriarchy.], we take a patriarchal structure like the medical profession and we fill it with most women, is it then a matriarchal structure?
If it's dominated by women is it a tyrannical patriarchy? [Jordan, she already corrected you on that, dominated by women is a matriarchy. JP pulls a Cathy Newman, so you are saying If it's dominated by women is it a tyrannical patriarchy? You don't regard the West as patriarchy, but you regard the medical field as a patriarchy? What about in the Rubin/Anderson interview when you said the West is an oppresive patriarchy but not purely that? So which is it? If you say its an oppressive patriarchy you are saying it is unidimensional, purely that, or that it is an oppressive patriarchy but not purely that?]
peterson is a crooked liar and clown, claims the hierarchies of capitalism are based on competence.
he is "demonstrably" WRONG.
the hierarchies of capitalism are /\ pyramid shaped, while every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve.
/\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy.
capitalism is UNNATURAL and abusive because of that fact.
@psychcowboy1 Maybe consider going back to only assuring us how much smarter you are than Peterson rather than trying and failing to show it like you did in your comment.
@@specialkalberta
peterson makes the really unintelligent or dishonest assumption that hierarchy automatically means a /\ pyramid shape.
that is not strawmanning him, please understand what he is implying in dozens of videos (if you look)
the hierarchies of CAPITALISM are /\ pyramid shaped, while every NATURAL hierarchy of competence is a bell curve (IQ bell curve) with few at the top and bottom and the majority in the MIDDLE.
/\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base of low paid workers in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy because there aren't enough people at the bottom to skim profit from their labor.
peterson claims that flattening the hierarchy impedes excellence !
that is also UTTER nonsense, it implies that we have done away with the best people !
WE HAVEN'T, that's just another baseless non sequitur peterson makes.
@@specialkalberta This will be tough for you but try debating with facts rather than feelings and insults. Just watch how I do it.
"Privilege is a problem!"
"Give up your privilege, then..."
"I don't want to."
White Left in a nutshell, ain't it.
@@aeternusdoleo4531 White left? Racist
@Gophuck Urself is it not enough? What else are you
@@ZehManelCigano You are wearing out words like "racist" and "sexist" to the point where they mean nothing AT ALL anymore. Keep on going! (Proud white MAN here...sue me! Had enough of you getting overpaid for jobs you can't even do over me. Feminism equals cancer!!)
@@AZDC99 im a white male. Please educate me. What is the difference between black left and white left
“I feel very privileged for my job”
“Then quit”
“Nah”
she isn't so guilty of her privileged position, but can criticize others for theirs lolol. Of course there is some factors that may affect "privilege," but dedication and passion goes a lot further than your skin color or gender... something msm seems to sweep under the rug.
😂🤣😭
She's a product of the same self-loathing/worshiping culture that manufactured Patty Hearst.
@@ripperfisher182250 Dedication, passion, and competence. Criminals are generally incompetent and thus unable to compete honestly, hence THEIR manifestation of the so-called "patriarchy" - which only exists today in the context of socially engineered unlawful disorder... which benefits the incompetent, and those who feed on them.
Donald Trump and the plethora of tribal organized criminal goons circling in his orbit demonstrate how that works.
She is the brainworks of the farm.
Are you not aware, sisters, that it is for your benefit that she eats all the apples and drinks all the milk!?!
She was so overwhelmingly outclassed.
i think she did a good job in the interview . Don't forget the fact that he does have 21 years on her
@@SimonaPanait-uj5yw its not the age difference. Its her completely false assumptions and agenda driven narrative. She was outclassed.
@@SimonaPanait-uj5yw
21 years, 50 IQ points (at least) and if common sense were a quantifiable number, then at least 200% more than her.
Not really. She asked appropriate questions. Her problem is the indoctrination into faulty ideology based on emotion. She's a woman. Emotion is everything.
@@kenbulut-oe8sb He doesn't really answer her question on why women (and some girls when married from a young age) have historically taken the husband's surname...This is an important question and really does explain the transference of the notion of 'ownership' of males over females in many ways; although some could argue it's a transference of 'responsibility to provide and protect' rather than 'ownership' as such. However, this concept of provide and protect obviously hasn't been the scenario for countless teenage girls and women who have found themselves trapped - physically and economically - in violent and abusive marriages without any financial means out. He avoids this question by saying he doesn't really know, which seems a bit of a cop out as it should really be a topic/fact (as in the factual evidence of women historically taking their husband's surname) one would expect him to have reflected on more... Also her comment on property rights - obviously many men as well as all women didn't have access to property ownership and certain associated rights (including enfranchisement) for a long time (in post-agricultural revolution and industrialised societies, at least), yet certain socio-economic groups of men did achieve enfranchisement and certain ownership legal rights prior to women (including access to mortgage as well as property ownership) - surely this can't be ignored as a form of historical dominance and control of one sex over the other?
Much gratitude to you Dr Peterson.. I'm currently 40 year old husband and father of 2 I've been on benzodiazipines for 24 years .. I have managed to kick a lot of my other bad habits n flaws.. I make bed every morning as well. I'm now after 2 n a half decades have started a tapering regiment of the Xanax with plans to stop and be healthy and fully online again. Your attitude, confidence and advice has been a big part of my changes for the better and I THANK YOU.
Congratulations Jason keep it up
HER: "I've definitely read bits"
HIM: "Read more."
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she just got destroyed by 2 words
Eury lol
It baffles me you don't think exactly like me?!?....really, of all the things to baffle you.
*read more* BAM! haven't laughed that hard in weeks
@@Toodream I caught that too....what a smug broad.
This was like watching someone trying to stop a tank by throwing stones at it.
A toddler arm wrestling a giant
Perfect analogy.
Saving Private Ryan against the tank
Or blocking roads just coz your favorite candidate didn't get elected
You mean tampons
I think he is a great voice for women. He is pushing us forward and not backwards!! We need more men like him!
There's a huge problem of men pretending to agree with women on the most ridiculous things they say. It doesn't help women to be delusional. Bill Burr has a good bit about it, when in ESPN the male pundits have to pretend dumbfounded when asked by female pundits why male NBA stars make more money the WNBA "stars".
Love that so many people are still watching and commenting on this masterpiece. Jordan showed he has a deep understanding of fundamental human needs and what it takes to thrive in our complex climate vs the interviewer who has been programmed how to think and deliver confusing messages that will keep people distracted and in despair.
@@Stokesx Yes, I absolutely love him. Like I said in my original comment, he actually supports women, he is a great voice for women. Usually, people would want a woman to be the voice for their own gender, but a lot of them nowadays are very, very brainwashed by the modern feminist agenda and it is sad. Feminism is great! but not modern feminism.
As a 17 year old , listening to Jordan Peterson is the best decision i have ever made
peterson claims that the hierarchies of capitalism are based on ability, he is lying.
every hierarchy of ability is a bell curve (IQ bell curve) with few at the top and bottom and the majority in the MIDDLE.
capitalism is an artificial PYRAMID hierarchy.
/\ pyramid hierarchies are social constructs that are integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy.
capitalism is unethical and abusive because of that fact.
The path towards a successful life is bright for you kiddo
Even in 46 I'm learning from this guy but mostly reorganize and define my thoughts and deeds.
Peterson will sometimes flex our brains CPU and RAM ... go back and read, listen again.
I love how he becomes the interviewer.
Right on!
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Understood
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Viva la revolution!
@@user-qt3nw8oo1q why would an american say that?
@@AikaDear :0 … :| u right.
"How would you like to be remembered?" "As someone honest" Absolute gold.
Total excellence imo too.
Natives Americans arent filthy rich
@@joshuajim65 define rich
JP takin this tryhard to school. She gets cred for trying though
Funnily enough he went through an epiphany and re-evaluated himself and wether most of what he said was ego and then realised that he sometimes had in the past said something that he didn't believe so a lie and it changed him there's videos on here on it, it takes an honest person to admit that they may have been wrong in the past,, I know someone will ask define honest 😉
Love his calm demeanor and clear responses. It's a shame that the interviewer wasn't open to engaging in an actual conversation with her guest. She came across as close-minded and ideological which made her opinions easy to discount. Hopefully, she'll learn as time goes by.
Doubtful that "she'll learn". I have attempted to have calm rational discussions with lefties, and it usually results in them resorting to name calling, frantically waving their arms, and making stuff up. They never seem to learn - even the older ones.
I DOUBT IT
Neither one of them went into this interview in good faith. Neither was willing to actually listen to the other. This just furthered the divide.
@@axelbruv Professor and student scenario Expert upon the effects of ideologies and a young neo marxist ideologue... Notice when things were going bad for her she resorted to bad faith tactics by trying to say he was overly feminine....
She has been TOLD what messages to deliver. Be offended by everything. Create self limiting beliefs by a victimhood complex. Jordan simply says take responsibility for your life and somehow that is a threat to humanity.
I’m telling you dr Peterson. You have changed my life in so many aspects. I’m so grateful for your courage in staying your course and sharing the core principles on many, so many varied issues. You and Thomas Sowell are my ‘rockstars’ in terms of your clarity of thinking also based in true historical contexts as backdrop for how you arrive at what you think and do… thank you. 🙏🏻 just wow.
I bought her book!
Now my wifes boyfriend has kicked me out of the house.
strange lee 😆😆😆
😄😆
That’s not deep, but it is funny.
You need to stand up for yourself mate and not allow boyfriend to kick you out- man up - don’t be a wimp and weak
😹😹😹😹😹😹 ohhh boy.... it's so deep .... n dark . Sarcasm
Helen Lewis: Im gonna bait Jordan Peterson
Jordan Peterson: Hold my lobster
best comment on here, not sure why it doesnt have more likes.
Made my week!!!!
@@sawyermade5469 only 3 days old as of now. Haha. Doing pretty good.
Almost burst out laughing lol
I properly laughed reading this comment. Thank you 😂.
Even though I don't agree with Dr. Petersons view on the war in Gaza, I must say that I have admired this man since the first time I heard him talk! He definitely is one of the greatest intellectuals of the 21st century so far! What a force of nature❤❤❤❤
Whenever you're depressed, come watch this video. Brings a smile to your face each time.
peterson builds his belief in capitalism on a false premise, that being the hierarchies of capitalism are based on competence, he is wrong.
the hierarchies of capitalism are pyramid /\ shaped, while
every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve, with few at the top and bottom and the majority in the MIDDLE.
/\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy.
@@bomination.citation please.
@@andrewross4685 what part do you want a citation on ?
@@andrewross4685 We are searching for a Peterson win.
@@psychcowboy1 watch the interview. The entire hour and a half is a Peterson win.
when he said "READ MORE"
man that was some extreme burn moment
piyush sharma more like extreme BRUH, am I right?
@Justin Last true
DUDE!!BRUH!! THIS WAS FIRE!!
I like how they did that was to immediately paint him in a bad light
jordan peterson is pretty much the kwai chang caine of the academic world
1:30:47 the comments have already pointed out that GQ cut out one of his responses and gave him a lower quality microphone among other things, but this is probably the funniest attempt at painting him in a bad picture. They amplified his mic volume in post because they thought it would make him seem more guilty. On top of that, they make sure to zoom in on his face every time he conveys anything remotely damning, whereas in the 50 instances where she expresses defeat her face is never zoomed on once.
Yup, the propaganda war that various government agencies and globally sponsored think tanks are fighting in the public domain is incredibly real. Unfortunately it’s also unlike what they would wish everyone to believe incredibly easy to spot.
My favourite thing is identifying the NPC bot shills in the comment section here they stand out like a sore thumb and it’s like they’re not even trying anymore !
I LOLED when he said "of course you think that, its easy to think that because then you only have to think one thing!"
No one can find a Peterson win.
Apprentice journalist: "I've read bits"
Jordan Petetson: "Read more"
The problem is that she is expanding the term alt right to encompass people who it does not apply to, and then saying "look at these alt right people who like your work."
Epic reply.
Yes, I liked that bit!
JORDAN PETERSON DESTROYS FEMINIST WITH FACTS AND LOGIC :D
Lose definition of alt right...haha
Looks like they forgot about equality when it comes to microphone quality
Microphone equality!
they did that on purpose cuz their argument is so weak
You do hear his mic in the later part of the interview. They may have forgotten to turn it up earlier, which could mean they never tested their equipment before beginning their work.
I wish you could have seen my reaction to reading this. I almost spot soda all over my desk.
Dude she is writing book about feminism.
British GQ please release the full uncut edition
This is the full uncut version.
Can’t wait for Peterson Academy! Praying for the Petersons. We need strong leaders in our world that are authentically good, honest, and brave. I don’t think he ever meant to gain this kind of spotlight, but I absolutely love what they are all doing with it now!
“I’ve read bits on the internet-“
“Read more.”
Starting out with a whopping left hook.
Why did I click that !!!
🤣
Yes, quite brilliant!!
* Right hook
She said she's read the alt right "enjoying" his work so he says read more. What? So he does admit the alt right do use his work and is saying ignore that and look at the others who enjoy his work who aren't alt right. What kind of comeback is that? He just admits it and says but don't just look at the bad guys though. The issue she's trying to bring up is whether he's at all responsible for encouraging the alt right so saying 'but there are others too' is besides the point.
I feel like I misunderstood or just disagree that that is a 'whopping right hook'.
Hey British GQ, fire your audio guy.
They probably un-mic'd Jordan on purpose.
Seriously. First thing I noticed haha
Did you just assume the audio person is a guy?! Sexist!!!!!
I also noticed that. The interviewer's audio is fine but somehow Prof. JP's audio is messed up. They probably did that on purpose lol
They definitely did it on purpose to make her appear dominant at a subconscious level
Wild how 5 year later, everything he said came true. Shows who was really paying attention to the world, and those who were not.
peterson claims that the hierarchies of capitalism are based on ability, he is lying.
every hierarchy of ability is a bell curve (IQ bell curve) with few at the top and bottom and the majority in the MIDDLE.
capitalism is an artificial PYRAMID hierarchy.
/\ pyramid hierarchies are social constructs that are integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy.
capitalism is unethical and abusive because of that fact.
22:30 i believe this is the absolute key moment of this interview, while shes still tryna sound all rational and nice, he stares into her soul and he is not blind to her clear resentment towards men, hidden under the mask of professionalism, which he then subtlety puts to light
No one can find a Peterson win.
@@psychcowboy1 you a bot?
@@zmike9831 We are searching for a JP win. No one can find one.
@@psychcowboy1 yeah, you a bot, same replies, no actual analysis
@@zmike9831 Were there any Peterson wins? Here are a couple of Helen wins, starting at like 41:00.
1. Helen: It works in two different ways, it makes lobsters more aggressive and it makes humans less aggressive.'
Peterson interrupting: No that's not right, it makes humans less aggressive...I know my neurochemistry, if you want to go play neurochemistry, It makes a lobster more likely to fight again.'
[uh Whoops Jordan. She agreed with you that serotonin makes humans less aggressive, and she is wrong... for agreeing with you? Lobsters that want to fight are not displaying aggression? Fighting isn't aggression? The relevant paper is called Serotonin and Aggression Motivation in Crustaceans, concluding that serotonin makes lobsters adopt aggressive postures...SCORE: Helen 1, Jordan 0]
2."I chose lobsters, the reason I made that argument was to put paid to the absurd Marxist proposition that hierarchical structures are a secondary consequence of free market economies which is as preposterous a theory as you could have about anything.'
Helen: 'Lobsters say the thing that you ideologically want to talk about that your belief that there is a kind of Marxist ideology...'
Peterson interrupting: 'How do lobsters say that?'
[Uh what Jordan? You just explained how lobsters demonstrate that. Remember you chose lobsters to put rest to the absurd Marxist proposition, and now you are saying lobsters don't put to rest the absurd proposition? Remembering what you said 2 minutes ago can be super challenging I know.] SCORE: Helen 2, Jordan 0
3. Helen referring to equality of outcome: 'I don't think that is a widely held view.'
JP Interrupting as usual: 20% of social scientists identify as Marxist. Look it up in Haidt's work, I studied it quite carefully, it is a perfectly valid statistical.
[Heads up JP, in the survey you are referring to, 3% of college professors identify as Marxist, and you claim that universities are dominated by leftist ideology, thus 3% of a very Left leaning sample identify as Marxist... and you are disagreeing with Helen? Whoops. The study Prevalence of Marxism in Academia states that Marxism is 'A tiny minority faith', ie Peterson cited a study to prove Helen wrong, when it actually proved her right. SCORE: Helen 3, Jordan 0]
17:20 Tyranny isn't good, that is the definition of tyranny, something that isn't good. [Uh no Jordan, that isn't the definition of tyranny.]
"Priviledge is a problem"
Then give yours to someone less priviledge"
"No."
i dont want to. someone else should.
I was wondering if someone else besides me caught that. Well done!
@Drew Down Sure it is. Why not? She can easily resign and let someone "less privileged" have her position.
@@charlesomalley9564 The good ol' lets be charitable with the money of the others logic in full display here.
@@enesduraku6087 Exactly, and in this case it's even worse than that! She sees herself as immune (enlightened ally) while professing that others renounce their "privilege" because they are using it in a manner she does not like. If she ever gets what she's asking for, she will lose everything with the rest of us. I can't imagine that she has any children, otherwise how could she promote their genocide? This is subversion of a society in real time.
The throwaway line “Yeah well you know more people, more ingenuity.”
I like to come back every year to the interview, just to see how much more I have matured in thinking and ability to assimilate complexity of issues,I must say I am never disappointed...it also help to know that I am still on the right track on things..Jp is the realest OG of all time.
Did you find any Peterson wins.
"Is that your theory, eh?"
"Yeah."
"Well it's a foolish theory."
XD
"My big problem with the lobster is that it's scientifically... b ollocks"
XD
@@quewntenerif616 Except it isn't, if you're capable of reading and understanding.
As was readily proven by his comprehensive defense of the point and her shabby argument from authority (PZ Myers, FFS)
My favourite, “I benefit from lots of unearned privileges” Peterson: “Like your job!?” ROASTED and she was totally unaware, haha.
@@CampFireJammer She wasn't the one being silenced for nearly a minute a couple of times lol, and she had the decency of not saying the patronizing expression 'gotcha', like he did to Cathy.
Then again she is intellectually honest, we cannot say the same about him.
@@thaliagarcia9684, #YaasSisSlayy #JordanManBad
This woman basically walked into a level 60 dungeon at level 16, while wearing level 15 gear.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And got properly rekt because of it...
I think she need to git gud!!?!
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😂
I am so glad we have intelligence like Jordan's on the side of truth.....
The practice of women changing their last names was not about transferring ownership but about transitioning their protection from their father to a new family. As for the bride price, it served as a measure to safeguard the woman. It was typically equivalent to 18 months of wages. The underlying idea was that if a man truly cared for the woman, he would be willing to make a financial sacrifice for her. Consequently, the bride price was meant to be retained in case the man divorced his wife, providing her some security in a world where employment options for women were scarce; thus, both practices were intended for her protection. Today, the concept of a bride price still exists, though it generally involves a smaller sum, typically equivalent to one month of wages, spent on a ring.
protection from what exactly ?
@@ryan_phdsec so you consider women to be inferior ?
@@bomination.”protection form what exactly?” Well, it is traditionally the males role to provide financial protection and literal physical protection… no?
@@kaysnhawkes financial protection is a presupposition of a financial system/capitalism, that does NOT need to exist.
and still the question remains, physical protection from what, other men ?
and please don't say protection from wild animals like the other buffoon suggested, because half of all men are physical cowards no better at fighting off animal attacks than any woman !
@@bomination. Inferior no weaker yes by the laws of averages
Interviewer: "I've definitely read bits"
JP: "Read more."
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She did well not running away crying.
Be more honest jp
I loved that😭
Yeah it’s pretty hilarious how triggered JP gets when it’s pointed out that the alt-right loves him.
"That's your theory?"
"Yeah"
"That's a foolish theory"
I'm dead hahahhaha
I was crying when I heard that 🤣🤣🤣 omg he's such a savage
The difference in knowledge is astounding
This "lady" is pure evil
@@eagle5818 worse, she is ignorant and obdurately so…
Here we are 5 years later. And Jordan Peterson just keeps getting more popular.
“I can’t wait not to buy her book”.
Her poor husband is probably a doormat.
She’s glad
supporting the cause!
@@TranslatedAssumption they got divorced 🤣🤣
@@TranslatedAssumption Oh, no doubt. Just look him up and look at those puppy eyes :)
1:08:29 "I'm not hearing what you think, I'm hearing how you are able to represent the ideology that you were taught. It's not that interesting because I don't know anything about you, I can replace you with someone who thinks the same way, and that means you're not here. That's what it means." Man that...right there, was a mic drop. NPC
It was the best line I ever heard used against a liberal...
When did he say this?
Yeah it was deadly, mic smash
1:08:29
Her conversational style got a bit better after that.
18 minutes in!!!! He changed the whole dynamic!! He is brilliant
No one can find a Peterson win.
I watch this video once a month hoping Jordan’s patience is contagious cause I need some 😅
Patient? Are you joking? He interrupted her every other sentence.
@@psychcowboy1 hahhahaha what a loser, get a life! hahahahh she is a joke like you hahah
@@psychcowboy1I just watched 10 minutes and he didn't do that once
@@7beers -Were there any Peterson wins? Here are a couple of Helen wins, starting at like 41:00.
1. Helen: It works in two different ways, it makes lobsters more aggressive and it makes humans less aggressive.'
Peterson interrupting: No that's not right, it makes humans less aggressive...I know my neurochemistry, if you want to go play neurochemistry, It makes a lobster more likely to fight again.'
[uh Whoops Jordan. She agreed with you that serotonin makes humans less aggressive, and she is wrong... for agreeing with you? Lobsters that want to fight are not displaying aggression? Fighting isn't aggression? The relevant paper is called Serotonin and Aggression Motivation in Crustaceans, concluding that serotonin makes lobsters adopt aggressive postures...SCORE: Helen 1, Jordan 0]
2."I chose lobsters, the reason I made that argument was to put paid to the absurd Marxist proposition that hierarchical structures are a secondary consequence of free market economies which is as preposterous a theory as you could have about anything.'
Helen: 'Lobsters say the thing that you ideologically want to talk about that your belief that there is a kind of Marxist ideology...'
Peterson interrupting: 'How do lobsters say that?'
[Uh what Jordan? You just explained how lobsters demonstrate that. Remember you chose lobsters to put rest to the absurd Marxist proposition, and now you are saying lobsters don't put to rest the absurd proposition? Remembering what you said 2 minutes ago can be super challenging I know.] SCORE: Helen 2, Jordan 0
3. Helen referring to equality of outcome: 'I don't think that is a widely held view.'
JP Interrupting as usual: 20% of social scientists identify as Marxist. Look it up in Haidt's work, I studied it quite carefully, it is a perfectly valid statistical.
[Heads up JP, in the survey you are referring to, 3% of college professors identify as Marxist, and you claim that universities are dominated by leftist ideology, thus 3% of a very Left leaning sample identify as Marxist... and you are disagreeing with Helen? Whoops. The study Prevalence of Marxism in Academia states that Marxism is 'A tiny minority faith', ie Peterson cited a study to prove Helen wrong, when it actually proved her right. SCORE: Helen 3, Jordan 0]
17:20 Tyranny isn't good, that is the definition of tyranny, something that isn't good. [Uh no Jordan, that isn't the definition of tyranny.]
I am benefiting from unearned privilege. Quit. You could trade it off with someone who is less privileged. I could, but I won't.
[Not hypocrisy, no more than someone who supports programs for the homeless who won't just let homeless move in to their house]
Filthy rich should pay their fair share in a progressive tax structure.
You are in the top 1/10th of a percent of everyone who lived on the planet.
[Yes Jordan, she makes more than a cave man, is that your point?]
19:00 in GQ interview: 'I don't regard the West as a tyrannical patriarchy, that's for sure its purely not, when you describe it as tyrannical patriarchy you are saying it is purely that, merely to define it as a patriarchy implies unidimensionality, [Whoops Jordan, remember in the dave rubin john anderson interview when you said the West is an oppressive patriarchy but not purely that? Contradiction alert' Watch him practically yell at her, THATS FOR SURE ITS PURELY NOT]
We take a patriarchal structure like the medical profession and we fill it with most women, is it then a matriarchal structure? If it's dominated by women is it a tyrannical patriarchy?
[Jordan, she already corrected you on that, dominated by women is a matriarchy. JP pulls a Cathy Newman, so you are saying If it's dominated by women is it a tyrannical patriarchy? After spending this whole interview stating there is no patriarchy, now you admit the medical field is a patriarchy?]
@@7beers Listen again.. Peterson interrupting... Why would you blame men for that? Seriously Jordan, why would you blame men for barring women from professions?
“I can’t wait not to buy her book “. GQ deleted this comment around several times now. Let’s keep this comment alive.'
Ok I'm with it
The top comment says exactly that and was posted two years ago
@@fletchersergeant9871 yes and we are gonna make sure
And we don't care if you want to buy her book😂
I just saw the comment get deleted in front of my eyes. It had 40k likes.
This video is two years old, and I can still find comments from five minutes ago
Literally
Yesssirrr
What’s your point?
@@jaymethomas7109 I just thought that it was interesting. Most videos this old don't attract very many comments.
I have no interest in these topics from what i view on youtube but the algerithm brought me to this video through an extension I use to auto play youtube while i lay in bed. If you've experienced 'click here to continue' on a video in the last few years you know what i'm on about but the point is that this is what CZcams wants you to see.
1:41:56 How would you like to be remembered?
"As someone honest"
At the very beginning, I watched the wrong videos about you. I bought into the societal lies about your intentions. You were condemned without a trial, I had firm opinions without understanding them.
Today, you are in every way the first and only one I can think of, who has managed to turn me 180 degrees! You have stood strong and bravely against being labeled as a hate figure, against prejudice, manipulative attempts to smear you, as a misogynist, as public enemy number 1 in the most totally unjustified way I would have never coped with. The most important thing you have taught me is to be completely honest, with myself.
So rest assured, Dr. Peterson: You will be remembered as one of the most honest things the world can remember and stood upright against the injustice against you. All respect!
No one can find a JP win.
@@psychcowboy1 Copying and pasting again, white knight?
@@Vixtuoso I agree, you can't find a JP win.
peterson builds his belief in capitalism on a false premise, that being the hierarchies of capitalism are based on competence, he is wrong.
the hierarchies of capitalism are pyramid /\ shaped, while
every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve, with few at the top and bottom and the majority in the MIDDLE.
/\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy.
@@bomination. So, not just a few, but _very_ few at the top? Distinguishing between continents is essential, as there's certainly no lack of people at the bottom of the hierarchy. No model is entirely right or wrong in absolute terms anyway, even if they surely offer interesting perspectives from an analytical and socio-historical standpoint.
Nevertheless, I don't see that transitioning from one model to another would have significantly changed the current situation regarding the alleged patriarchy. It wouldn't alter the current reality, our experiences, news, statistics, or the discourse and silence in our society - a society we have a more solid basis to speak clearly about.
In short, I see nothing here that undermines Jordan Peterson's arguments or credibility.
"Looking forward for not buying her book" Honor the original comment
Np sir
Check out her write up on the interview
Totally delusional
www.google.com/amp/s/www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/helen-lewis-jordan-peterson%3famp
@Anthony Bergs she reckons she stumped him!!! When?!
@@asubmariner7970 she actually thought she raised some good points and stumped him,🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣, I want to watch the interview again if I missed anything
@Anthony Bergs I hope so, But I will check with you after I watched it again. But the most dumb thing she said was she thought that it was weird and out of reach to compare life advice and communism.
When he started to challenge her about giving up her position to someone less fortunate based on what she believes and said she is apart of a higher economic status, then she said she “would not” give up her position. I almost died laughing. 😂
Time stamp?
@@amitsaxena4108 17:30
Yup.
Just your typical feminist mental gymnastics.
It's easy to accuse others.
It takes real character to look at yourself with some humility.
…. So women pressure other women into using makeup? According to her . And Great competent fathers are feminine?? I appreciate her ambition, but she has a LONG way to go with: ethics , respect, anger , wisdom, knowledge … Cant get into heaven by provoking people
I know right. Bloody golden
This is a classic conversation. I'm glad it stays civil and wouldn't expect any less from Peterson.
Very interesting and very informative conversation 👍 👏 👌 😀
What a fascinating conversation. Quite intriguing it is to feel the temperature fluctuations throughout their intellectual dance. Additionally, I hold Jordan Peterson in very high regards but he was savage in this conversation with Helen Lewis. The ability of either of these individuals to maintain a professional composure during their debate is an immensely difficult task to do. Both Peterson and Lewis deserve applause for their self-control. If both politicians and society in general, were able to maintain a similar level of self-control and professionalism, perhaps the integration of systems to foster a greater understanding of, and wellbeing for, all parties could be achieved. These two are absolutely amongst the best of us humans.
That was a good conversation. She was bringing mainstream thoughts and actual questions and JBP gave his personal perspective with determination and perspective.
Spoiler alert: JP remains the undefeated champion of logic.
SHOCKER!
Hows he doing? Has been sick; last i heard.
Like im not on the internet to find out..
Halcyon ur smart for not being on the internet. Hope he’s well
Then you don't know Zizek
𝟾:𝟺𝟻, ᴛʜᴀᴛ’s ᴛʜᴇ ғɪʀsᴛ ᴛɪᴍᴇ ᴀ ʙᴏᴏᴋ ᴡᴀs ᴇɴᴅᴏʀsᴇᴅ ʙʏ ᴀ sᴇᴀʟ.
Thank you Jordan Peterson for having this interview, I learned a lot
What a great interview between two strong humans. Helen held herself brilliantly and stood her ground. They are both the person he describes. In order to succeed, you need to be formidable, competent, and strong.
Moments of polite friendliness and smiles, surrounded by a genuine discussion. I assume Helen had preconceived motives and opinions about him, and he managed to tackle her questions perfectly.
They both handled themselves brilliantly.
Held herself brilliantly? Are we watching the same interview? She constantly tries to frame him and catch him out. She hardly ever goes in on any of his answers but moves on to the next question immediately. The sole reason this interview did not derail into a pissing contest is Jordan’s considerate and thoughtful answers. Watch it again pleas
@@okkewijntjes6640 No one can find a JP win. JP had a considerate and thoughtful answer? Where?
@@psychcowboy1 hello again. Search "Jordan Peterson". Click on his channel, go to the "Playlists" tab and click on "Personality and its Transformations (Lecture Series)". 72 full lectures publicly available. This series is the bomb! And pretty humorous too 😂
“Human beings are born with different capacities. If they are free, they are not equal. And if they are equal, they are not free.” - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Good quote.
👏
Capitalism vs Communism basically
That is perfect
Solzhenitsyn definitely knew a little about freedom, and a whole lot more about a lack of.
how many times does CZcams want me to watch this video? Everytime a video ends it replays this. Not that it sbad but I have already listened to it twice
truly enjoyed watching this video, offered a lot of knowledge for me
whoever married to this woman.may god be with u.🙏🏿
Even God was like: 12:19
someone actually did? I doubt it
She never took her husband’s last name
LOOOOOOOLOOOOOOOOLOOOOOOOOOLOOOOOL
his name is Cuckleberry Finn
“How would you like to be remembered?” - “As someone honest.” What a man.
yeah says clean your room, addicted to pills...
pro-conversation
robert fripp he’s not perfect you’re definitely addicted to something aren’t we all
@@tostitosfritos1748 yep.. but i don't make millions posturing to insecure males..
robert fripp it’s business...
Pure gold. I just wish I knew what was said during the jump cut midway through. Was really intense.
They changed the SD card. It wasn't a spot where JP finally outsmarted Helen.
JP is on another level
His ability to pinpoint globalist rhetorical obsequious ideological propaganda and counterpoint it with laserlike accuracy is phenomenal to watch, but it’s sad that it needs to be done. It’s sad that these organisations feel the need to fill the public sector with propaganda and socially engineered. Psychologically targeted garbage, it’s screwing up societies, destroying lives and above all, it’s an incredibly dangerous game that’s being played, especially by the intelligence sector who should know better by now!
She goes on the offensive and gets smashed...repeatedly
It's beautiful to watch isn't it?
Its a psychological thriller watching her try to cope
@@dannymckenzie8329 lol
Probably the only action she has gotten for years now
Yes she does, must be the tyrannically patriarchy. How dare he dominate her like that. LOL
I have never seen an interviewer act so confident about phenomena they hardly understand.
She's writing a book! Didn't you listen?
i'd hardly call a man making some adolescents clean their room a phenomenon
Her face and body language when he was grilling her over the lobsters...it was funny but i kinda felt embarrassed for her.......
Made my day bro
1:19:36 What I really like about this video is, there are two individuals with very different opinions in some areas, but similar in others. Both are incredibly articulate and intelligent, but they come from different places and with different perspectives. The conversation that they have gets heated in places and they disagree but in other parts you can see that they respect each other for their own opinions even though they are vastly different.
We should want our strongest characters (Jordan Peterson) to be tested! It demonstrates the strength of the best in our society.
peterson builds his belief in capitalism on a false premise, that being the hierarchies of capitalism are based on competence, he is wrong.
the hierarchies of capitalism are pyramid /\ shaped, while
every natural hierarchy of competence is a bell curve, with few at the top and bottom and the majority in the MIDDLE.
/\ pyramid hierarchies are artificial and integral to capitalism/profit, there has to be a very large base in a capitalist hierarchy in order for profit to be generated, profit is not possible in a natural bell curve hierarchy.
@@bomination.you’re wrong. And capitalism is far better than any other system ever devised, it has fed and housed and clothed and healed and educated and liberated more people than any other system ever. You’re not smart enough to do better. You do not understand human nature or nature nature.
Competence is absolutely the driving force.
@@bomination.The average people end up on the bottom because they are not the top 10 percent that rise to the top the other ten percent on the other side become a drain on the system
@@celuler22 you are definitely in the bottom 10%
This was hurtful 😂.. im sure she will never forget this interview
I thought this was going to be a discussion, not a Jordan Peterson jujitsu black belt exhibition.
He is the Royce Gracie of psychology
Infotainment 😂😂😂😂😂
hahahaha he seriously dominated that exhibition!
IMO, Jordan is not at his best here (or maybe it was edited to appear that way), sometimes interrupting, angry?, making some unqualified statements. Helen often showing more patience. But if the topics here are of some interest, maybe watch some other Peterson like: czcams.com/video/zQCTeGKHsVc/video.html or czcams.com/video/hKUffHXOb8U/video.html
This is SUCH a brilliant discussion. Thank goodness he is spreading the word and standing up for men and women. How great would it be for more of these conversations to take place.
2nd time I watched this interview.....one of the best.
He has the gift and skill of articulation.
51:35 Instead of pushing, it would be nice to see her restate what he said and ask a clarifying question.
"Can’t wait to not buy her book”. GQ deleted this comment around several times now. Let’s keep this comment alive.
@Serpant Stepper i love you more
Dumb comment
Just do it ! No need to tell the world what you aren’t going to do
@@elsievaenz9531 That's actually the only need to comment such an announcement.
This video was put out 5 years ago and now in 2023, Identity politics are just spreading like wildfire especially in the university scene, freedom of speech is under threat. Jordan Peterson was spot on about it. Listening to him calms my mind.
It can be quite discouraging to see how identity politics are spreading. But I think people are waking up and realising how bad it is getting. I have hope for the future.
I'm where she described him as calling his description as apocalyptic terms. I need to check back in on this in another 5 years.
Alex Jones been saying sense 1999
it was spreading like fire when they had this conversation - it's been spreading for over 10 years.
Yes!!!!!!
Why aren’t women fighting to be plumbers or brick layers? You can’t ever win this debate women.
Imagine being married to that… 🤦♂️
Incredible dialogue.
"What are you selling that people are buying?"
"Truth."
BS
Chad
New titled “Jordan Peterson defending his rational beliefs for an hour and a half”
@@DeathSpellXVI Nah JP is accurate on most things he says
@@DeathSpellXVI That's your argument? You need to try way harder.
British GQ can't afford 2 microphones?
They do it on purpose so JBR won't sound clear
@Legendary StarNPC GQ, FHM et al haven't been male focused publications in years. if you look at the large swathe of their ads, they're very much focused towards women.
Have you ever seen the Mics that Mr Lobsterman uses? They're absolutely atrocious.
Lol exactly what I was thinking.
Or an interviewer who is a bit easier on the eyes
One of the best you tube video I've ever seen. I'm not an English native so I have some places that I'm not sure what Jordan is talking about due to my English skill. I felt like that I should have studied English harder just to fully understand this video.
He being so calm and wise makes this interviewer anxious !
His patience is next level! Why do interviewers keep reinterpreting things he states clearly?! He deserves a medal for dealing with so much nonsense.
No one can find a JP win.
"Lorrdd Fadda😂"
He's just high on drugs here probably
@@penultimania4295 Helen won most of the points.
@@psychcowboy1JP got you worked up for 3yrs straight 😂
Deleting Comments now? Real mature, british GQ, real mature there...
But they leave this interview up which is clearly damning to the presenting side’s view 😂
It's likely that it might just be youtube. They mix comments around a lot with so much engagement.
@@leiasart4610 You're right it's youtube. They do mix comments around and push comments down if it's a popular video
@@Gallowglass7 you do realize when you leave a comment then you leave and come back your own comment is the first one you see. No matter where youtube pushes it you will always see your own at the top unless the channel deletes then it's just gone!
What do you expect from leftist amoebas?
Always chilling to hear Peterson talk, he’s trained himself to speak so articulately about his views so casually and strongly that it leaves you speechless, along with backing it with facts, it even left the interviewer contradicting her own questions/statements constantly because of how quickly he can respond with a justifiable answer that sums up his statements/views, this is one thing I admire about him in every video. JP, Bob Proctor and Robert Greene have been my favorite to listen to recently
This man is genuinely amaricn . He's absolutely spoken truth , genius . We need desperately more brave men and women like this to speak up in the society
Canadian. So North American, anyhow
She said "I am married" x3. And then "Marriage is an institution of tyrannical patriarchy". I thot "Oh man. Good luck to her husband"
I wouldn't worry too much about him. No doubt they both live in that self-deluded world called the far-left...
imagine being stuck in a marriage like that.
You can agree to disagree in relationships. it might be possible he changes her mind. It's good to have dreams.
The west / first world countries are full of weird and strange people
@@TSAR373 More than likely a beta soyboy.
Its nice to see so many women saying positive things about him in the comments
The world is waking up to several problems of the past 2 decades that have been cancer to all of us:
1.) Social Media induced attention-seeking millennial junkies all chasing validation and dopamine kicks.
2.) Rabid Modern Feminism gone mad, trying to destroy all pillars of a functional society.
3.) Narcissistic Sociopaths that normally follow 1 and 2.
woah woah... how do u know they are not men transitioning to a women...... hahah a little mirco agression right there.
Did you just assume my gender??
Perhaps they don't belong in the kitchen...
It's particularly straight women as opposed to the alphabet soup which that woman is a part of.
The life lessons in this video just one after the other, very well done both of you. Jordan you affirm concept of being a lifelong student, also ur replies that don't miss a beat are hilarious yet true. Some of her questions were setups(by design, i doubt she wrote all the questions) but she does share a few things in common with u
What a great exchange of ideas ! Helen and Jordan were a pleasure to watch and follow, like reeds undulating in the breezes of reason and discourse in the ultimately enjoyable Socratic sense
This is like watching Mike Tyson in his prime boxing a blind midget.
Gold!!!!
Literally died reading this comment 🤣🤣🤣
Hahahahaha, true that 😂
“I can’t wait to NOT buy her book”- a Prophet
Lets get this comment back to the top guys!!
@@Mechanicalpills becuase somehow this wasn't a solid example of what she spoke about in her book. WTF are you saying. Lol
You might need her book. With luck the pages will be Charmin soft, you know, just in case there is another shortage.
This is so funny 🤣🤣.
Watching this (I thought it was an interview but feels more like a debate), I realized Jordan interacted with this interviewer as I would a rubik's cube. Knowing everything that could come up and having a calm and concise solution to anything that does.
Were there any Peterson wins? Here are a couple of Helen wins, starting at like 41:00.
1. Helen: It works in two different ways, it makes lobsters more aggressive and it makes humans less aggressive.'
Peterson interrupting: No that's not right, it makes humans less aggressive...I know my neurochemistry, if you want to go play neurochemistry, It makes a lobster more likely to fight again.'
[uh Whoops Jordan. She agreed with you that serotonin makes humans less aggressive, and she is wrong... for agreeing with you? Lobsters that want to fight are not displaying aggression? Fighting isn't aggression? The relevant paper is called Serotonin and Aggression Motivation in Crustaceans, concluding that serotonin makes lobsters adopt aggressive postures...SCORE: Helen 1, Jordan 0]
2."I chose lobsters, the reason I made that argument was to put paid to the absurd Marxist proposition that hierarchical structures are a secondary consequence of free market economies which is as preposterous a theory as you could have about anything.'
Helen: 'Lobsters say the thing that you ideologically want to talk about that your belief that there is a kind of Marxist ideology...'
Peterson interrupting: 'How do lobsters say that?'
[Uh what Jordan? You just explained how lobsters demonstrate that. Remember you chose lobsters to put rest to the absurd Marxist proposition, and now you are saying lobsters don't put to rest the absurd proposition? Remembering what you said 2 minutes ago can be super challenging I know.] SCORE: Helen 2, Jordan 0
3. Helen referring to equality of outcome: 'I don't think that is a widely held view.'
JP Interrupting as usual: 20% of social scientists identify as Marxist. Look it up in Haidt's work, I studied it quite carefully, it is a perfectly valid statistical.
[Heads up JP, in the survey you are referring to, 3% of college professors identify as Marxist, and you claim that universities are dominated by leftist ideology, thus 3% of a very Left leaning sample identify as Marxist... and you are disagreeing with Helen? Whoops. The study Prevalence of Marxism in Academia states that Marxism is 'A tiny minority faith', ie Peterson cited a study to prove Helen wrong, when it actually proved her right. SCORE: Helen 3, Jordan 0]
--Peterson at 19:00: 'That's for sure it's purely not, when you define it as tyrannical patriarchy implies one-dimensional...'
[Whoops Jordan, remember in the dave rubin john anderson interview when you said the West is an oppressive patriarchy but not purely that? Contradiction alert']
What if the patriarchy is composed of women is it still a patriarchy? [Helen corrects JP by stating that it would be a matriarchy, score for Helen.]
'We take a patriarchal structure like the medical profession and we fill it with women, is it that it is mostly men that makes it a patriarchy, if it is a structure that is composed of women then it is also a tyrannical patriarchy, if it is composed of women and it is a tyrannical patriarchy...
[Jordan pulls a Cathy Newman -- So You are Saying. Sorry Jordan, Helen, She just corrected you that composed or dominated primarily of women is a matriarchy. So after denying that we have a patriarchy numerous times in this interview you are now admitting that the medical field is a patriarchy?)
@@psychcowboy1 that's a whole lotta response for a very shallow comment lol
@@davethescrub858 I understand, you feel Peterson had a calm and concise solution to everything Helen said, but you don't know where that happened. I was pointing to some Helen wins.
@@psychcowboy1 always good to be able to see from the outside both perspectives on things. We good? I'm good, appreciate the time and effort in response 😊
@@davethescrub858 If you note there are about 250,000 comments that JP destroyed Helen with calm facts and logic, but no one has any idea where that happened. As a social phenomenon of mass delusion, it is unparalleled in modern times.
She was totally calling it "patriarchal" until she found out she is rejoicing her position thanks to it. Then it was "not totally patriarcal" anymore.
“I can’t wait to not to buy her book.”GQ deleted this comment around several times now. Let’s keep this comment alive.
why?
did my job and posted as well
@@logitfau252 how could you crittique her objectly if you shut her down?
Ratio
Missing reading that comment when I last watched this video a year ago - it was a massive hit. Thanks.
I've never, ever seen anyone so devastatingly articulate
Right? He is a master at conveying his thoughts
@@Pratherwind 🤣
@@Person0fColor do you disagree? lol
His ownership of the English language is astounding and the way he puts together a complete thought is incredible.
When he goes on rogan, I have to slow the playback down just slightly to make sure I catch everything he says.
Watch some Carl Sagan lecture’s especially the Q&As at the end. That man was a literal wordsmith , storyteller all the while being an absolute expert in his fields.
Jordan Peterson is a treasure and a gift from God. he is a voice to a lost generation unmoored from truth.
This was better than half the movies I've seen this year!!
all*
ToaToay móviles are trash
Literally lol
Lol
@@leanhanleleanah6929 You then haven't watched the right kind of movies
This was painful to watch. The teacher took her to school, but she didn't learn a thing.
Fools never listen. They only wait to speak.
Bravo
If I could, I would give you an award for this comment.
So odd. What did you see that I didn’t. I saw an intellectual debate . And I really enjoyed that. What did you see?
It’s hard to argue with someone who has already thought everything through to the end.
Do women forget men's first love is their mother? We are raised along side sisters and Aunts, Grandmothers and female friends. Most men are born with a deep appreciation and respect for women. I would love to see Dr. Peterson interview this woman's husband to see what type of man is attracted to women with these moral values.
This was like watching the old cartoons of Superman punching out waves of fire! Go Jordan-we love you brother.
52:40 I want to know what was edited out at the end of that bit of discussion
quewn tenerif he’s never said anything remotely resembling the straw man you just constructed for yourself. But yeah nice job bud, you really put the straw man in its place. A+.
@@armoda1057 a lot of strawmen seem to get put to rest around Peterson lol
quewn tenerif is that an echo from the hive mind I hear?
TheRea1Gordon the radical left nut jobs are ideological drones, they’re incapable of thinking for themselves. And the small proportion of academics who dislike him are so blind to how jealous they are of the guy. He is better than them in their niche (academia) and has also left it and become wildly successful outside of it.
@@armoda1057 oh really that's interesting because he sure does love a straw man. Like the one he created about the "tyrannical patriarchy" in order to make it easier for him to deny it exists (he failed miserably, btw). So explain to me, since JP is so bad at explaining his own points because everyone "misinterprets" him all the time, what does he mean when he talks about "competence" intead of power imbalances when he talks about white male supremacy?