There will never ever be another melee player like Mang0

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  • čas přidán 27. 08. 2024
  • Long live Melee.
    Script/Songs/Credit: shorturl.at/rTW26
    This is all in the above link, but I feel the need to add it here too,
    Check Out Mango. Melee wouldn't be the same without him.
    Mango's Twitter: / c9mang0
    Mango's CZcams: / @cloud9mang0
    Shoutout to GRtr4sh for their inspirational piece "Mango: the Musical" and allowing me to even use a portion of the intro. Check them out here: / @grtr4sh
    I love TKK's melee edits, they're so sick! definitely check them out as well:
    / @tkk112
    Also EmpLemon may have slept on Mango, but he is still a great creator and one of my inspirations. Here is a video by him that to this day remains one of my favorites on the site. Check it out: • TALLADEGA: Nascar's Mo...
    Thank you for 10k subs too!

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  • @talkgomilk
    @talkgomilk Před 7 měsíci +1169

    I’m glad there is finally a Melee Doc that tells Mang0’s story as it should be, you really nailed it with this one

    • @nafy522
      @nafy522 Před 6 měsíci +20

      Bronol crying in the background

    • @renmizunashi
      @renmizunashi Před 5 měsíci

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    • @arayyang7943
      @arayyang7943 Před 4 měsíci +15

      Well people already know mang0, and the entire melee scene was always behind him. What makes the h box story so intriguing is that everyone disliked like hbox, and that’s why it got so popular.

    • @queuedjar4578
      @queuedjar4578 Před 4 měsíci +16

      @@arayyang7943 I think it's more the fact that EmpLemon was already a popular youtuber (has more subscribers than basically any melee content creator, probably all of them combined tbh) were the main reasons why Never Ever Hbox got popular. The hbox doc is an entertaining story, but it gets some critical things painfully wrong which I can understand because it's more a video for entertainment, however those who know Melee are going to find issues with it. Not everyone knows mang0, particularly people who've never even seen a single stock of competitive melee, and that was the grand majority of the people watching EmpLemon's video. Fortunately, mang0 has spoken for himself and proved that he will always be relevant as long as he picks up the sticks, same as hbox.

    • @evali6305
      @evali6305 Před 2 měsíci +4

      @@queuedjar4578 It was EmpLemons first Video about Smash Bros. His series "Never Ever" had fantastic episodes before Hungrybox, so it was interessted to know who Hungrybox even was. EmpLemons video was my first video about Smash Bros Melee

  • @MostYourBase
    @MostYourBase Před 7 měsíci +902

    "In biblical terms, Genesis is when God created man.
    In Melee terms, Genesis is when man became God."
    "Newer players will never know the satisfaction of challenging a prime Mango Mango Mango MANGO MANGO MANGO!" 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
    This video is so good.

  • @Gigabyte019
    @Gigabyte019 Před 4 měsíci +344

    0:50 “Every person in Hungary watching the Box at least once”
    Instant sub

  • @castleroque3218
    @castleroque3218 Před 7 měsíci +214

    1:37:10 almost made me cry that’s so beautiful seeing mango and hbox be homies like that

    • @sprth-bc2ne
      @sprth-bc2ne Před 5 měsíci +33

      Before that in the room when Mango is over in the corner kinda having a surreal moment, you can see Juan kinda turn to him but as soon as he sees him he immediately just turns back and lets him have his moment. You can see despite their heated history that they really are homies now.

  • @waves1all1day1er1day
    @waves1all1day1er1day Před 5 měsíci +134

    When you used emp lemon saying “mango” and edited it to make him chant “MangoMangoMango” was the beginning of the end

    • @UtahBoot
      @UtahBoot Před 3 měsíci +5

      I have to save this as a timestamp 1:34:09

    • @YoutubeCommonman_Totas
      @YoutubeCommonman_Totas Před 2 měsíci +5

      It's also a little unnerving, but that might just be a personal thing.

  • @antondocenko6496
    @antondocenko6496 Před 7 měsíci +405

    This whole doc is amazing but the last 5 minutes of this doc especially were absolutely magical and impeccably written. You should be very proud of what you've made here.

    • @enversiddiky4106
      @enversiddiky4106 Před 5 měsíci +13

      yo that shit actually got me emotional, I unexpectedly teared up when it showed him at #1
      great documentary

    • @bigf0ot25
      @bigf0ot25 Před 3 měsíci

      @@enversiddiky4106i also cried lol

  • @Poppt1
    @Poppt1 Před 7 měsíci +235

    Amazing ❤

  • @otg_dre
    @otg_dre Před 7 měsíci +229

    As a non smash fan, i have no clue how this video ended up in my home page. Gave me chills tho. Good shit

    • @otg_dre
      @otg_dre Před 7 měsíci +19

      update: i cried at that Olympics analogy 😂

    • @peeron6829
      @peeron6829 Před 7 měsíci

      ​@@otg_dre lmaoo

    • @DonTinker
      @DonTinker Před 7 měsíci +14

      It's so amazing that someone that has nothing to do with the game sits here for 2 HOURS.
      It's not about the game, it's about the competition.

    • @codyhanson1344
      @codyhanson1344 Před 6 měsíci

      how did you possibly decide to click on this nearly 2 hour video in the first place of all videos? As a semi-smash fan (newly getting into it and just learning about its rich history recently) even I was a bit hesitant, but ultimately went for it as i had already watched the hungry box one and was hooked on the format.

    • @yomomma9859
      @yomomma9859 Před 6 měsíci

      Check out the Hungrybox one, he’s a way better player and person than Mango

  • @jonathankleinhenz2652
    @jonathankleinhenz2652 Před 7 měsíci +391

    The return to “the kid” while spending time with his son sent me reeling into emotion. What a beautiful sentiment.
    Thank you mango for being yourself, always.
    And thank YOU too, for making this video.

    • @user-wj8dz4vu3f
      @user-wj8dz4vu3f Před 5 měsíci +3

      Coulda shed a tear to that moment. Flashing back to teen mango being interviewed. So emotional.

    • @ao1778
      @ao1778 Před 5 měsíci +1

      You're welcome:)

    • @hansolo631
      @hansolo631 Před 4 měsíci

      I'm like 65% through and he kind of seems like a douchebag who embarrasses himself alot.
      edit: once again it's the "peak" of smash and mango loses another big match. Does this guy ever win

  • @moxie2D
    @moxie2D Před 7 měsíci +345

    Melee's story is so unbelievable, it's so anime, and Mango's journey always felt like watching the protagonist to me
    Really awesome job telling that story from the perspective so many of us viewed it from over so many years
    Also thanks for sharing my art through the edit, it was awesome to be a small part of it

    • @lucidcharade12
      @lucidcharade12 Před 7 měsíci +18

      I feel like there was a group of protagonists (all 5 gods) who all made each other better for being together... and there's Leffen.

    • @999a0s
      @999a0s Před 7 měsíci +10

      @@lucidcharade12 definitely, but among them i think Mango stands alone as the most "complete player". if any of them have "Mamba Mentality" it's him. if we're drawing an NBA analogy he really is Melee's Kobe, someone whose bag is limitless, who has complete all-around "wisdom of the game" that allows him to play with unprecedented creativity and flow, from the paint to the arc. and just like Kobe, of the 5, he's bar none the master of the human, psychological part of the game.

    • @burner1burner1daklf
      @burner1burner1daklf Před 7 měsíci +6

      BRO DID NOT SAY THAT IT'S SO ANIME HAHAH THATS FUCKING CRAZY

    • @rainman01
      @rainman01 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Your art is so godlike

    • @IoIitas
      @IoIitas Před 6 měsíci

      @@burner1burner1daklfIt’s the only real way to describe it with how from an outsider, it looks like an entire show

  • @DesTr069
    @DesTr069 Před 7 měsíci +231

    What a phenomenal doc. You perfectly combined your own narration with the story told by the game, or by memorable interviews. There will never be another player like Mang0, and there will never be another game like Melee, but we get to be part of their history. I’ve never even played Melee, despite knowing nearly every set covered in this video hahaha. There’s just something so special about this community. Thank you :)

    • @NZsaltz
      @NZsaltz Před 7 měsíci +4

      you should try it out, it's fun! I'm not even good, but once you get the movement down you can really appreciate the amazing execution all these players have

  • @ThaRixer
    @ThaRixer Před 7 měsíci +110

    When Mango stops playing it's just not gonna be the same..

    • @PaintyMainy
      @PaintyMainy Před 3 měsíci

      Yo Rixer. You have good taste

    • @sarimsalman2698
      @sarimsalman2698 Před 3 měsíci +2

      Good thing is that he never will. He loves the game that much

    • @MattC-jg1yb
      @MattC-jg1yb Před 2 měsíci +4

      I went to Tipped Off 15 last week, a very stacked major. You don’t really hear it on stream but 95% of the crowd was for mango. Without him, it’s gonna be a fraction of the current popularity

  • @arthurcassidy1519
    @arthurcassidy1519 Před 7 měsíci +146

    Holy cow. I started this video thinking I would only get about 10 minutes into, and ended up watching the entire thing in one sitting, with tears in my eyes at the end.
    I've watched melee on and off for the last 2 years and have only heard whispers and rumors of the 5 gods, and Mang0 in particular. Yet this video brought to light a whole new side of a man who I knew nothing about. The future of melee only continues to shine brighter, and when it does, I want to be there to watch. Thanks for an amazing video, you deserve way more attention then you've gotten so far.

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      @user-ri2zl1cc9e Před 6 měsíci +2

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    • @Not_Your_Chees3
      @Not_Your_Chees3 Před měsícem

      Couldn't have said it better myself!

  • @sammurray1943
    @sammurray1943 Před 7 měsíci +119

    Emplemon makes great videos but saying mang0s god status is in question is crazy

    • @icegod4849
      @icegod4849 Před 7 měsíci +28

      Forreal. If it were true it would be a great narrative for Hbox but arguably Hbox's god status is more in question that Mang0 and Im saying that as an Hbox fan.

    • @matthewflanagan9101
      @matthewflanagan9101 Před 7 měsíci +14

      That doc was a war crime against Melee

    • @mrm64
      @mrm64 Před 7 měsíci +50

      @@matthewflanagan9101 Eh. It has its biases and yeah I don't agree with the "god status" thing because tbh, the era of the gods ended when PPMD retired. Leffen broke that pantheon by winning majors and then Plup, Wizzrobe, Zain, and Axe carried on along with Mang0 and occasionally M2K (since he was playing Smash 4 at the time too). Hbox and Armada was the big rivalry with Mang0 getting the win time to time. So, yeah Mang0 did have a slump but he was always the "buster" as he'd say it lol.
      So tbh, that doc was needed for Hbox. Again I know that doc is flawed but I loved it nonetheless. Hbox's hate was unacceptable, no matter how you spin it. Folks don't have to like him and I ain't saying he's perfect but to the point of throwing things at him? Like, really? Nah, I'm glad more folks stopped being assholes to him after that (and I'm saying this as more of a PPMD fan). Hbox GRINDED to get to where he is, and still does. One should at least respect that, and the doc at least shed some much needed light on that.

    • @DrZaiusDrZaius-xp5fw
      @DrZaiusDrZaius-xp5fw Před 7 měsíci +19

      @@matthewflanagan9101”warcrime” dude are you for real LMFAO

    • @illford
      @illford Před 2 měsíci +5

      ​@@matthewflanagan9101 it's really not that deep

  • @ningbosmash6750
    @ningbosmash6750 Před 6 měsíci +63

    I was the TO of Southern Arizona Smash Tournament 2 in 2007 (shown in the results screencap at 15:54 in the video). Unfortunately, I did not know much at the time about running a tournament, despite the fact that we had a couple cars full of California's best showing up, including Mango, Lucky, Gimpyfish, and DEHF (who is now known as Larry Lurr). I didn't know how to seed a bracket and a lot of people complained, but it was still a lot of fun and my first time meeting Mango. It was already pretty clear back then that he was going to be one of the best players in the world, and he won the tournament easily. I believe Forward, AZ's best at the time, got 2nd. Axe had not yet become a top player in AZ at the time.
    I was hoping to see my tournament mentioned in this video, so thanks for the indirect shout out! Awesome work!

  • @CryptonicLive
    @CryptonicLive Před 7 měsíci +68

    as someone who got into melee because of Emp's doc, THIS doc is a beautifully made sequel. I love this video so much

  • @touhouspam
    @touhouspam Před 3 měsíci +24

    i just would like to point out that 1991's Chinese zodiac was the goat. Mang0 was born in 1991. Mang0's chinese zodiac is the goat. look it up.

  • @fancyman3206
    @fancyman3206 Před 6 měsíci +62

    "Everyone is Melee"
    beautiful ending to an amazing video man. keep up the great work

    • @queuedjar4578
      @queuedjar4578 Před 4 měsíci +1

      And when everyone is melee...no one will be...

  • @dorohime7001
    @dorohime7001 Před 7 měsíci +119

    Damn, this made me cry. Holy shit. And that Mang0 vs Zain set is actually fucking goated. I’m so glad that was the final climax of this video.
    I’ve seen a lot of Melee documentaries in my time, and honestly… This might be the best one.
    The music, the narrative. I feel like his will to be the GOAT was harnessed in creative form to make this art.
    Well fucking done. This shit deserves a million views.

  • @RESPRiT
    @RESPRiT Před 7 měsíci +103

    Really glad that I found your aMSa video after you released it around the time I released mine - you've grown a lot as a storyteller and video maker, and you have an incredible talent for letting your heart ooze into your work. I am confident in your continued success as you keep creating, and I wish you the best!

  • @semiram4238
    @semiram4238 Před 6 měsíci +85

    My boyfriend is a Melee player in the PGH scene. We met two years ago on Bumble, where he mentioned Melee on his profile. I had seen the EMP video a while back and brought it up when I messaged him on the app. The rest is history.

  • @cdogthehedgehog6923
    @cdogthehedgehog6923 Před 7 měsíci +125

    What the hell was that editing during the last fight???? That was incredible!!! Literal chills all over my body. Best smash related content I've ever seen. You literally outdid Emp, and that is no small feat bub. Good luck growing your channel. Youre gonna go far kid.

  • @brycenbaggins7655
    @brycenbaggins7655 Před 7 měsíci +29

    is a crime that the hbox doc blow up and this one didnt. amazing work man

    • @peeron6829
      @peeron6829 Před 7 měsíci +7

      yeah but give this one time :) it still can happen! Emp had a huge headstart subwise aswell when he dropped the doc

    • @randomink3
      @randomink3 Před 6 měsíci +1

      give it time forsure

    • @peeron6829
      @peeron6829 Před 6 měsíci

      *)p

    • @donb.7390
      @donb.7390 Před 6 měsíci +8

      Mang0 was someone, who, when I discovered, didn't like due to some of his toxic tendencies he exhibited early on in his career. Nowadays I feel like he's come a long way in his maturity and have found new respect for him, partly due to this documentary. However, I feel Hbox's story deserved to be heard more. That man faced so much hate just because he didn't play Melee how people wanted him to. A lesser man would have crumbled under so much hate. Hbox receiving all of this positive attention, I hope, changed many people's perspective on him. Mang0 and Hbox being on good terms now was heartwarming to see and I think it does wonders for his image. One of the most hated players in Melee history being held in equal esteem by a former rival and quite possibly the most popular player in Melee history is a beautiful thing to see.

  • @zacharyerickson9846
    @zacharyerickson9846 Před 7 měsíci +81

    Mang0 will forever be the GOAT of melee. There will truly never be another player like him

    • @AL-lh2ht
      @AL-lh2ht Před 5 měsíci

      Hbox has more years ranked 1st and more major wins. Armada has a much higher dominance and win rate vs literally everyone.

    • @Thangchoc
      @Thangchoc Před 5 měsíci +15

      @@AL-lh2htIf Mango retired in 2014, after b2b EVO wins and a positive record on everyone, would he be the goat? No. Armada doesn’t get to rest on his laurels. The game and scene evolved. Mango has stuck around and reached the top over and over again. Hbox won no majors from 2011-2015 and has largely been unable to get over the hump as of late, even though he remains a perennial top 8 player.

  • @JoshuaHardy
    @JoshuaHardy Před 7 měsíci +32

    OK. So the EMPLemon Doc is one of my favorite pieces of youtube content of all time. And after seeing this floating around my youtube recommendations for a while, and being initially dismissive of it, thinking it was riding on the coattails of the HBox vid. I finally decided to give it a go today. This is such a masterfully crafted narrative with an amazing thesis that left me feeling so stoked to be part of this community.
    It was amazing how you both paid homage to EMPLemon's work, and how it helped you grow and learn your own craft, while simultaneously pointing out the problems and the journalistic integrity of the story that he spun.
    And on the topic of Integrity. I love how you did such a great job with attributions, I hadn't seen the 9Hammer Animated video before, And your usage of the cutscene clips has me thinking about dusting off my copy of Starfox Zero to play for the first time. And I love that you took the time to create a document that credits all the sources of your audio and footage used.
    Excited to see mroe!

  • @dinnertonightdinner7923
    @dinnertonightdinner7923 Před 7 měsíci +36

    Just watched this yesterday, but my take remains the same: Amazing content, incredible emotional storytelling, can't wait to see everything you make in the upcoming years!

  • @lordzevallos
    @lordzevallos Před 7 měsíci +35

    Bout to watch the entire thing all over again 😎🤝

  • @VetNovice
    @VetNovice Před 7 měsíci +20

    I slept on this video during the intro. I was skeptical. But you honored Mang0's truth. His side. His legacy. Thanks for that, homie. Great vod. Nearly cried a little at the end. Amazing.

  • @oyasumitome
    @oyasumitome Před 7 měsíci +16

    Wow. I've been watching melee for nearly 10 years now, and have never been a strong Mang0 fan personally. However, I nearly teared up by the end of watching this. I always had respect for him with his charisma and accomplishments in the game, but this video documentary made me feel that I never gave him enough credit still. Thank you for making this.

  • @sunstripe85
    @sunstripe85 Před 4 měsíci +6

    My dude, I don't play or really care about esports, including Smash Bros. But you got me hooked and here I am, an hour into a documentary on a game I only vaguely knew about, focused on a person I hadn't heard of simply due to not knowing the game-- and I'm sitting here totally loving Mang0 like nobody's business!
    This video is my main source of any info so my opinion isn't fully formed since I'd need to do a lot more research to get a full picture and to minimize chance of bias (like how someone watching that first video you mentioned would have unknowingly been super biased if they only knew any info from that.
    But I have to say, based on Mang0's background, all the clips of him and his friends, the choices he made along the way both in terms of which characters to choose and why, and especially his real life choices-- and on top of that, the sportsmanship he seems to have.... I don't think I've ever respected anyone in any sports whether traditional or e-, than I do this dude right now.
    Granted, I don't like sports so I could be missing someone-- but I also randomly watch videos or learn from others or read about things I don't care for just because I still find it interesting to understand what everyone else sees. And regardless of my personal interest, we are all human and it's still impressive or educational to learn about others.
    At least based on an hour in at 59:00 (because I guess I don't know what is coming so it's possible my view would do a 180 by the end), I gotta say:
    A large reason I don't like sports (aside from just generally having no interest in the games themselves) is the tendency toward egoism and Othering within the players and fans. Fans get WAY tf too invested in their team, especially traditional in person ones, to the point that what should be a fun experience where prowess can be showcased and everyone can respect it in the end, instead easily can turn into toxicity, fights and injuries, and at the very least a completely unnecessary dichotomization of similarly minded people.
    And then the players themselves in traditional sports especially get treated like gods when they aren't, and they get paid way tf too much. But the game itself is also unfair to them because for so many people, time is against them. And they only have a couple decades at best to try to do all they can to "prove" themselves and to make money and a name, before they get thrown aside with a body that's been utterly destroyed in its prime by the very game that sustained it.
    Not always the case of course but it just feels like that can be a common theme.
    And the whole time, money is being wielded in both the foreground and background as a means to at "best" translate a human being to a number to quantify their "value", and at worst is maiming, threatening, and even killing the players themselves as they become nothing more than a pawn for those in power of money, and they are expected and at times forced to play unfairly in the interest of someone else's pocket. (I'm thinking of that South American soccer/futbol player who was known as the gentleman and seemingly this great guy and fantastic player who was murdered because of one accidental point loss for his team)
    I have no respect for that entire situation. It's not helpful on any level that it just encourages people to assign their identity to whatever they play or watch, and especially within the fandom that can lead to toxicity. (Your video on Lindsey Jacobellis is a perfect example of that-- btw, that's what CZcams randomly recommended me and I also don't care about snowboarding but I watched that video, and was so impressed by your style that I checked out your channel itself and that led me here).
    At any rate, what I'm saying is my experience so far has been mixed on many levels for sports in all contexts, and I do know for sure there are great people involved as fans and as players etc... The issue I see is less the people themselves individually necessarily and more the greater community and setup as a whole.
    It's a vicious cycle where the toxicity breeds and feeds on itself and, if not held in check by the industry or teams or fan communities themselves, can turn what should be a fun competition on the field into a life defining war on and off the field.
    But Mang0 is exactly the type of person and exactly the sort of representation of sports that, if everyone were like him and the greater smash bros community I'm seeing portrayed here, would make sports be what I think fans THINK it is but often isn't.
    He's exactly the type of person that I think as a total outsider IS completely legit to get behind, and who ultimately plays the game at the very heart for the fun or skill of it.
    The fact that he made tough but wise choices multiple times in his life to step back to explore something more consistent in order to help his financial situation, and that when he came back he doesn't seem like he was a douche about it, and that he still left again in order to support his family and even his comment in that one video about being able to take his girlfriend to Red Lobster now that he won.... It's some of the most wholesome and endearing things I've seen in any top sports person.
    And even where I paused to leave this comment... That Chillin guy looked so defeated by that 5-0 game, and seeing that clip where Mang0 stood up to back him up, while doing so in a really friendly and sportsmanship-focused way, and especially seeing the complete transformation on Chillin's face from that simple act of Mang0's plus the rival having a big smile too.... That is the epitome of what sports SHOULD be. And if all sports WERE like this, I would have way more respect for it and feel less frustrated by its prominence because it would be showcasing good behaviors and the best way for people to be able to be at odds with each other in friendly competitions while still having respect for all.
    I also REALLY love how he chose and played his characters based on what was interesting and challenging to him... The way he challenged and changed the very understanding of some of the characters themselves, and especially how he challenged himself to adjust and adapt to the greater societal context of the game and community at different times.
    To me, that's someone who's playing for all the right reasons so I would already love him. But given his background in a rough neighborhood being raised by a single mom, and his prowess in both physical and online sports, and his dedication that kept him from danger like gangs (which was not an easy task no doubt), it already would have garnered a higher level of respect from me.
    But then you add into it that he's genuinely freaking incredible at the game and it's like -- WOW, this guy is so impressive and commendable!
    The fact that he became best friends with his biggest rival back home says everything I believe could ever be said about his integrity and just who he is altogether as a sports player of any kind. And the fact that he thought of his family first every step of the way says everything you could ever need to know about who he is at heart as a human being.
    Insofar as where I've paused: Mang0 my dude, I freaking love you ❤

  • @gibsong0797
    @gibsong0797 Před 7 měsíci +31

    Unbelievably well done. Melee has an incredible and emotional history and you really showcased it perfectly.

  • @snrken
    @snrken Před 7 měsíci +32

    hope the reupload doesnt kill the videos reach, good video

  • @Alsritt
    @Alsritt Před 7 měsíci +15

    The final stretch... I'm so completely and utterly thankful that you spoiled the ending earlier with the interview where Mang0 gets asked about beating everyone, because your editing had me in so much suspense (even though I have seen the set. It's been long enough that i had forgotten how it properly ended, because either the incredible sucess story of Mang0 or Zain's underdog story would have been incredible) that i'm not sure my heart could have taken it if Mang0 had lost.
    goddam this is a good documentary.

  • @inkurey22
    @inkurey22 Před 15 dny +5

    Came to this video after Mang0 won 2 majors back to back : Tipped Off and Supernova
    The start of the video saying EmpLemon was wrong to say that HBox was the only god left hits really hard with Mang's recent results lmao

  • @finsup2298
    @finsup2298 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Even as a firm believer that Hbox is the greatest melee player ever, this video is still great! Keep up the work man!

  • @theramlopstudios4270
    @theramlopstudios4270 Před 10 dny +2

    The ending of the video is probably the best answer to the hbox video anyone could´ve ever said.

  • @LinklightGaming
    @LinklightGaming Před 4 měsíci +5

    the emotion you feel when you watch melee understanding everything that is on the line is unlike anything else. well done on this doc, you're a great storyteller and i can tell you're only getting started on your craft :)

  • @danielcoats713
    @danielcoats713 Před 5 měsíci +8

    To be fair to EmpLemon, I think he did Mang0 like that because Mang0 has always had the people on his side. I think he tried so hard to highlight HBox, that he crossed into Mang0 hate and didn't quite realize it until he got to the finish line.

    • @RandomDude647
      @RandomDude647 Před 3 měsíci +2

      My theory is he had most of the video done in 2018 and just didn't want to bother re-recording and re-editing once 2019 happened

  • @jakedavis5917
    @jakedavis5917 Před 7 měsíci +43

    Mango is the goat. And what you did with this video is incredible. The editing and the story you've told is succinct and emotive. I appreciate this video so much.

    • @AL-lh2ht
      @AL-lh2ht Před 5 měsíci

      Hbox has more years ranked 1st and more major wins. Armada has a much higher dominance and win rate vs literally everyone.

    • @jakedavis5917
      @jakedavis5917 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@AL-lh2ht Yet mango is still considered the GOAT. There’s is more to being the greatest than just winning. The impact mango has had and still has on the game, the hype and fun mango brings to the game, and his personality on top of his record separate him from the pack. At the highest level it’s not a stretch to imagine anyone beating anyone else and being declared the greatest but no one has left the mark that Mango has.

  • @BigPerm492
    @BigPerm492 Před 5 měsíci +8

    Such a beautiful display of the heart and passion of not only Mango, but the melee scene as a whole. This ending is literally bringing me to tears.
    Bravo. Well done.

  • @JoostArchives
    @JoostArchives Před 7 měsíci +5

    I watched emplemon's HungryBox documentary and thought it was good, but I also thought: "Someoone should make a Mang0 documentary" and I am glad to see it done in such prestine fashion. From nailing the introduction with prologue, to the pacing throughout it, to the music choice, to the editing quality, to the amazing use of emperorlemon's video through comparison and metaphor.
    You've gained a like, subscribe & I will be recommending this to peole who have watched the documentary. Thank you!
    Empererlemon should watch this.

    • @LunaticJ
      @LunaticJ Před 7 měsíci

      Unfortunately Emplemon said in a video on his second channel, Downward Diary that Smash community is dead to him :(

    • @AusmaSarutobi2009AMV
      @AusmaSarutobi2009AMV Před 7 měsíci +1

      Emp is a edgy smart weird guy I would imagine from what I've seen of him and interactions with him irl he most likely just made the video because Melee is a redditor game and redditors don't like guys like hungry box but love mango and Zain and it was a reaction of his distain for the communities bad options I don't think he cared enough about melee to make a mango video and figures everyone else will it's low hanging fruit hungry box is one of those topics some guy post a random banger out of distain for reddit and leaves I've seen it with tsm apex and the saint Lois blues before and I few others I can't remember I call them reactionary essays classics at all times thier someone out their so mad at reddits opinions their cooking up a classic video that most people will watch

    • @JoostArchives
      @JoostArchives Před 7 měsíci +6

      ​@@AusmaSarutobi2009AMVDon't get me wrong I think the original video is still great and am grateful for it to have been published. But it's quite clear that there's a bit of bias in the narrative, after all the documentary is about hungrybox. Dramatization is a part of all cinema

  • @Vapidoutdoors
    @Vapidoutdoors Před 4 měsíci +6

    I got out of melee about 10 years ago. Hearing all the names and faces of players i once cheered on and watched stream was really nostalgic.
    Shoutouts to SFAT and PPMD. such genuinely nice guys!

  • @jadomes6863
    @jadomes6863 Před 7 měsíci +7

    I love how hard this doc dunks on the hbox one. Both biased, but it feels balanced out now, the karmic scales are happy imo

  • @hypocritee_
    @hypocritee_ Před 7 měsíci +8

    Actually cried twice watching this, Melee is easily my favorite game of all time, Mang0 is easily my favorite player of anything of all time, thank you this video is chilling and beautiful

  • @AtlasSSBM
    @AtlasSSBM Před 7 měsíci +4

    Im glad you started making documentaries, your videos have always been a delightful suprise and great addition to melee/video essay content on yt. The coolest part has been watching your storytelling getting better every video. Honestly, I thought the beginning of this documentary was chaotic, at least less focused than I'd like, but i felt the complete opposite as it went along. It tied together extremely well towards the end, thought it was beautiful. Maybe because Mang0s character/narrative works well with messy beginnings/explanations, your great eye and ability to bring the thesis together, or both. Either way im excited for whats next from you, and i think you are truly rivaling some of your inspirations.

  • @otaking2k
    @otaking2k Před 10 dny +2

    its so crazy that melee, this old game, truly has some of the greatest storylines to tell just off its players alone. Truly one of the best games of all time.

  • @4_qu
    @4_qu Před 7 měsíci +5

    i can't believe emplemon counted out mang0, i genuinely thought he wasn't a god anymore cause i've never played smash (i played it once at a convention and absolutely sucked)
    this video has forever changed that opinion, mang0's god status is not "seriously in question", it's a known FACT
    amazing video

    • @blastimbre
      @blastimbre Před 2 měsíci

      It just rubs me the wrong way how emplemon changed the narrative against Mango. I understand the video was trying to dispel the undue hate towards box, but he didnt need to spin a false narrative.
      Its very suspicious that he omitted Mango's 2019 results when he was 3rd and only focused on 2018 where he had a notoriously bad year in terms of wins. Even then, mango was 5th that year.
      How do you call someone washed after they are 5th and then 3rd worldwide in the last two years?

  • @AmazingOwnage
    @AmazingOwnage Před 7 měsíci +7

    Thank you for making this video man. Absolutely fantastic summary of Mango’s melee career so far. He is the most entertaining to watch and I’m glad you were able to give him some of the recognition he deserves.

  • @Keanpoop
    @Keanpoop Před 7 měsíci +11

    This is a masterpiece. Great story, great editing, beautiful conclusion. Brilliant work my dude!

  • @nathanwashington9784
    @nathanwashington9784 Před 7 měsíci +6

    Really great video dude. Good storytelling, good pacing, good music, creative editing, hit every note I could’ve wanted from this going in. Mang0 is the GOAT.

  • @ThaRixer
    @ThaRixer Před 7 měsíci +5

    Gonna just leave another comment to say, I hope you keep making documentaries, this was great

  • @chas9517
    @chas9517 Před 7 měsíci +9

    The GOAT will always be the person that inspires people to Compete. MJ Inspired millions of people to play and compete in Basketball. Tom Brady Inspired millions to do the same in Football, Djokovic for Tennis, Messi for Soccer and Mang0 for Melee.
    If you play Melee, every year there was "The Greatest match of Melee." It has been almost 3 years since Smash Summit 11 and to this day, Mang0 vs Zain Grand Finals Smash Summit 11 is still the most insane, most analyzed set of all time. ( Zain was 1 frame late from landing an up-air in game 10 last stock!)
    If you haven't seen the set in its entirety, than I highly suggest you watch it. Then watch the m2k clip about the 1 frame. Thank you FlameIsLucky for creating this masterpiece of a Documentary.

  • @Jowannabe
    @Jowannabe Před 7 měsíci +3

    I decided to watch like half hour of this doc now, then go get dinner and go to bed, but I ended up watching the whole thing without even drinking water. This is so engaging and well crafted. Mang0 isn't even among my favorite players. Also, I kinda knew his story already since he's literally the GOAT and I've watched so many Melee docs. I can tell you have so much passion and you put that into creating your content.
    Dude you got me all emotional, you made me remember 16 years ago, back in my motherland at my homies place spending the whole afternoon playing melee all day like it was the best day of my life. As kids we had such rivalries among my friends and for a min here, watching this video, I really felt like that kid again. Thanks!!!!
    I truly believe this community is one of the best I've ever been part of and that's crazy because the game is turning 23 years old by the end of 2024. I am so happy for all the milestones, all the eras and also new eras to be told. Long live melee!!!

  • @brettmccabe1944
    @brettmccabe1944 Před 7 měsíci +6

    This was entirely captivating. Fully emotionally invested from start to finish. Great work on this one, Flame! Thank you so much for this beautiful addition of Melee cinema mastery.

  • @chrisdoan180
    @chrisdoan180 Před 7 měsíci +8

    a very difficult video to make and you did it justice, thank you for this

  • @ITOI
    @ITOI Před 7 měsíci +5

    Unbelievable work! You’ve made something incredible here. I can’t wait for you to truly sky rocket on this platform.

  • @mL-7992
    @mL-7992 Před 7 měsíci +13

    Just wanna say thanks man, this is beautiful amazing job

  • @wolf-xf6hf
    @wolf-xf6hf Před 7 měsíci +7

    Holy shit how am I just realizing after watching this twice that you are the maker of arguably my favorite sports documentary on youtube “skateboardings first gold medalist”

    • @peeron6829
      @peeron6829 Před 7 měsíci +1

      i just saw that and thats what im watching next in exactly 50 minutes when this vid ends😂 this content creator is really skilled! making a 1-2 hour doc is not easy, i could never with my bad patience haha

  • @moi2275
    @moi2275 Před 5 měsíci +5

    this is criminally underviewed bro what an amazing video

  • @mzerick
    @mzerick Před 7 měsíci +7

    Brought a tear to my eye. This was truly amazing. Thank you for taking your time making this and I love the legacy both melee and mang0 has left

  • @ProDucktions0
    @ProDucktions0 Před 7 měsíci +18

    1:24:52 I was NOT expecting to show up in this video LMAO
    Awesome video!

    • @tokisuno
      @tokisuno Před 7 měsíci +1

      i can't wait to understand this comment

    • @tokisuno
      @tokisuno Před 7 měsíci

      i still don't understand this comment. what am i missing.

    • @tokisuno
      @tokisuno Před 7 měsíci

      oh my god I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE LMAOOOO

  • @macrol4323
    @macrol4323 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Great video. I wish the algorithm would push this harder. It deserves to have more eyes on it.

  • @STORMWHITEpro
    @STORMWHITEpro Před 19 dny

    This is quite possibly the best video on CZcams I've ever watched. Seriously amazing job. Reading the words
    "Everyone is melee" really struck a chord in me.
    Maybe I'm an eternal glazer but I've always said. When mang0 is feeling himself there isn't a player on the planet that can compete.

  • @SwifteeSpark
    @SwifteeSpark Před 4 měsíci +4

    This video is beautiful. Maybe the best written Doc I've ever watched, incredible job.

  • @jasperbraunschweiger9918
    @jasperbraunschweiger9918 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Amazing video man. Truly goated. But to offer some constructive criticism since u mentioned how much was left out of the emp video it seems a little hypocritical what u leave out about pp and armada during the 2014 section. They where doing better at the beginning of the year. Pp was ranked one. And armada was trading major wins over the summer. I think this would have made the story even better but regardless great vid.

  • @MichaelHullMusic
    @MichaelHullMusic Před 7 měsíci +5

    I have never watched or paid attention to melee but now mango is my favorite hes a beast

  • @1337Ch33z
    @1337Ch33z Před 2 dny

    I literally cried. Keep making documentaries. You're amazing at this

  • @panikk2
    @panikk2 Před 7 měsíci +8

    1:11:45 the greatest song choice of all time for a set 2 grand final between armada and mang

  • @lelo2332
    @lelo2332 Před 7 měsíci +14

    I know close to nothing about melee and still teared up at the end. 10/10

  • @IuhDylan
    @IuhDylan Před 7 měsíci +10

    This was a great video your inspiring another generation to play melee

  • @heyitsmort7744
    @heyitsmort7744 Před 7 měsíci +6

    Masterpiece, dude. Thanks so much for all your hard work

  • @mind6your6step6
    @mind6your6step6 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Thank you for putting the time, effort, and energy into making this masterpiece of a video. I shed a few tears towards the end; I fell in love with this game back in 2012 and it legitimately helped me meet so many good natured people and to grow as a human being. Thank you for reminding me of the beauty found in something as insignificant as a 2001 party game and thank you again for making this video. Words really aren't enough to get across all that I want to say

  • @IamNster
    @IamNster Před 7 měsíci +7

    EVO 2013 and *that roll read* against HBox is what sucked me into the competitive Smash scene and what cemented MaNg0 as my favorite player of all time for Melee.
    Edit: 7:30 to remind myself why I need to keep playing even when I feel my fear of failure creeping in.

  • @Tannertainment_
    @Tannertainment_ Před měsícem

    This isn't just one of the best CZcams documentaries I've ever seen... This is one of the greatest documentaries I've ever seen. I was engaged the whole hour and 51 minutes and couldn't turn away. Well done.

  • @dahuterschuter
    @dahuterschuter Před 6 měsíci +2

    For someone who's been in the scene for over a decade+, these videos are such a nice trip down memory lane to these tournaments I remember watching live staying up too late when I had uni classes the next morning.

  • @justinhowell7
    @justinhowell7 Před 7 měsíci +4

    I loved watching this so much. Thank you for putting in the work to make something like this!
    God I love Melee.

  • @AK-ir1se
    @AK-ir1se Před 7 měsíci +4

    The Siddhartha mango tree reference was amazing. Beautiful work on this.

  • @MrSzautner
    @MrSzautner Před 6 měsíci +2

    This was undoubtedly one of the best melee docs ive seen and its really nice to see some justice done for Mango, ive very seldom seen people recognize what he actually brings to the melee table and this video hit every mark perfectly. Really nice editing as well great job overall!

  • @Weebfox
    @Weebfox Před 7 měsíci +7

    I was legit just watching the old one and like 1 hour 20 in I got a notific that the video has been removed :d
    Never had that happen in the history of youtube before lol

  • @DemonInPain
    @DemonInPain Před 6 měsíci +3

    Amazing vid. I had a warped perception of mango from EMPs vid. Thanks for showing this legend some respect

  • @SIB-YT
    @SIB-YT Před 7 měsíci +3

    Dude, I've had your aMSa vid in my watch later forever and I just binged all your vids today. Your stuff is criminally under viewed.
    Gg

    • @peeron6829
      @peeron6829 Před 7 měsíci

      thats exactly what im am gonna do now 😂

  • @Digitalz3k
    @Digitalz3k Před 7 měsíci +7

    Tears streaming down my face at the end. Damn you Mango, damn you melee!

  • @glyph57
    @glyph57 Před 7 měsíci +3

    this is one of the best videos ive seen in a very long time, please continue making these as you are and incredibly talented creator

  • @XxuplmxX
    @XxuplmxX Před 7 měsíci +9

    That summit 11 set montage was incredible, great work

  • @heterodoxagnostic8070
    @heterodoxagnostic8070 Před 7 měsíci +5

    1:46:55 literally poetic, so poetic...

  • @riboiman4005
    @riboiman4005 Před 7 měsíci +3

    This didn’t just feel like a documentary, but like a movie as well. It told an exceptional story about the game and the community. Great video!

  • @Benny9117
    @Benny9117 Před měsícem +3

    And then he goes and does it again, five months after this video comes out at Tipped off 15! 3:0 Zane and Cody in the same tournament! Never sleep on the kid.

  • @bjrnalmlof6128
    @bjrnalmlof6128 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Armada has such a villain look with the slick-back hair and leather jacket

  • @samg131
    @samg131 Před 7 měsíci +79

    Zain definitely did not make FD a terrifying stage for the spacies. It had already been a known horrible stage and Id argue M2K has shown more dominance on FD against spacies than Zain has

    • @powerrangerred6600
      @powerrangerred6600 Před 7 měsíci +16

      Yeah, people complained all the time playing FD against m2ks marth

    • @DrewZGmusic
      @DrewZGmusic Před 7 měsíci

      He made it terrifying for the modern spacies
      I’d be surprised if M2k back in the day would’ve been able to dominate like he did on FD against say a modern Cody

    • @samg131
      @samg131 Před 7 měsíci +5

      @@DrewZGmusic Zain isn't even dominating FD against Cody lol

    • @DrewZGmusic
      @DrewZGmusic Před 7 měsíci +5

      @@samg131 well not anymore
      For a second there
      But I always say doesn’t matter what other character makes it to the top, a Fox will always show up with a reality check eventually

    • @djhooker8782
      @djhooker8782 Před 7 měsíci +9

      M2k was known for his dominance on FD but Zain made not only fd look unwinnable, but the whole mu itself. M2k’s dominance on fd was nothing compared to Zain. If I recall correctly, Zain went from 2018-2021 without dropping an fd game against fox

  • @ThePuffGD
    @ThePuffGD Před 5 měsíci +1

    I think I've watched this entire video 3 times in the past week. Each time I've watched this is hits me harder. I take in stories in media form very slowly over time, but its rare for something to keep pulling me back.
    This does it. Mangos story is so beautiful, and this doc takes that story and both perfectly summarizes it and brings to light its most beautiful aspects and nuances. This is a video to be cherished by the people who give it their time.
    There is so much more melee to be played

  • @jPup_
    @jPup_ Před 5 měsíci +2

    This was fire, really great for someone who has passively appreciated but didn’t know the ins and outs!

  • @Cainenghis
    @Cainenghis Před 7 měsíci +17

    I cried like 5 times during this documentary. The quality of your storytelling is on par with the likes of SummoningSalt. You're going to make it very far if you just maintain this level of consistency.

    • @peeron6829
      @peeron6829 Před 7 měsíci

      when was the first time tears came up 😂 ? hope you good :)

  • @DrunkenHotei
    @DrunkenHotei Před 7 měsíci +5

    28:22 "In biblical terms, Genesis is when god created man. In Melee terms, Genesis is when man became god"
    Fantastic line, as was mentioned by someone else in the previous comment secion. I want to draw attention to it again here, so credit to whoever made the post on the previous upload pointing out how awesome it was.

  • @CheeTheOG
    @CheeTheOG Před 7 měsíci +2

    I've watched this doc about 10 times already this is a step up in comparison towards EmpLemon's video (NOT TO SAY THAT EMPS VID WAS BAD BUT I JUST PREFFER THIS ONE)
    I really enjoyed on how you explained the backstory on how Mango got into the game and the music choices for this are awesome as well as the editing
    AND MOST IMPORTANTLY! I lovedddd on how you ended the video about melee not just only one player but the whole community cause of the end of the day Melee will never die along as there's 2 people that want to be better then one another at this 2 decade year old party game. Awesome doc and I cant wait to see what else you do in the future best of luck!

  • @usedTNT
    @usedTNT Před 7 měsíci +5

    Melee is sick

  • @BreakDowning
    @BreakDowning Před 7 měsíci +3

    Unbelievable doc. How do you keep doing this??? Subscribe to this man, I cannot imagine a better documentary on The Kid, The GOAT, The Buster

  • @BigSlaz
    @BigSlaz Před 7 měsíci +18

    Great to see the yingling set, truly one of the best sets of all time.

  • @mikebarahona7506
    @mikebarahona7506 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Not a single minute missed in this , intrigued and captivated by every second WOW such an awesome Doc

  • @kellydanen3002
    @kellydanen3002 Před 7 měsíci +2

    "In Biblical terms, Genesis is when God created Man...in Melee terms, Genesis is when Man became God." dang, some friggin BARS 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @mysticsm64
    @mysticsm64 Před 7 měsíci +4

    i hope and pray this video does as well as it deserves to do, great great job, thank you for telling this story, in the way no one has. good job