Schrödingers cat and the Meshuggah subdivision mystery

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  • čas přidán 7. 07. 2024
  • Time Consuming Ep #62 and week 2 of 'MAYshuggah' is all about ambiguity. Like the Schrödingers’ cat thought experiment, some things can attain a level of mystery that completely draws my inner philosopher out!
    'Broken Cog' original song:
    • MESHUGGAH - Broken Cog...
    'Light the Shortening Fuse' original song:
    • Light The Shortening Fuse
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    And lastly, BIG thanks to Omer Gabay, my brother, for all the tremendous production help!
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    Intro by Sharon Renold (@sharonrenold on Instagram) and myself
    Intro music by Shwesmo (@shwesmo on Instagram)
    #musicanalysis #polyrhythms #meshuggah
    0:00 intro
    0:40 Schrödinger who?
    1:14 the science of head banging
    3:55 the MESHUGGAH part
    6:12 the Back Beat
    7:06 conclusions
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Komentáře • 167

  • @BenEller
    @BenEller Před 2 lety +50

    Very, VERY cool video! Enjoyed this very much. That’s something I’ve kinda done for years, reimagining straight rhythm riffs like Crazy Train as triplets instead of 8ths. Fun video!

    • @JosephYaden
      @JosephYaden Před 2 lety +6

      Uncle Ben!!!

    • @YogevGabay
      @YogevGabay  Před 2 lety +8

      BENNNNNN
      Your murshuroommBurger video was priceless. BEETTSSSSS
      Love your stuff!

    • @BenEller
      @BenEller Před 2 lety +6

      @@YogevGabay hahaha cheers, man, thank you!!

    • @YogevGabay
      @YogevGabay  Před 2 lety +7

      @@BenEller I have some thought about future videos, and I wonder, would you be down for a collaboration?

    • @BenEller
      @BenEller Před 2 lety +4

      @@YogevGabay of course!

  • @Gabobow
    @Gabobow Před 2 lety +34

    Dude Light The Shortening Fuse in triplets and quintuplets is fucking killer tbh

  • @marksoftime
    @marksoftime Před 2 lety +91

    I think Ligature Marks is one of their best songs off the new album. Pure filth. Continues to be rhythmically genius like practically anything they create.

    • @JustLilGecko
      @JustLilGecko Před 2 lety +15

      Honestly I really love the broken cog, sets the tone of the whole album, and the groove is so sick.

    • @marksoftime
      @marksoftime Před 2 lety +5

      @@JustLilGecko yeah you know you’re about to get confused as hell 😂

    • @voidabstraction
      @voidabstraction Před 2 lety +7

      Phantoms was probably my favourite. But saying that it isn't overly standout compared to the other tracks. Just like most of their discography it's an overall awesome album.

    • @bryanlewis8777
      @bryanlewis8777 Před 2 lety +2

      For sure, the second half of the song has a very groovy but heavy feel. With the interesting lyrics, amazing.

    • @marksoftime
      @marksoftime Před 2 lety +2

      @@bryanlewis8777the section in which they play the chugging on the same note and then the higher note comes in just sends my body flying.

  • @UncleRJ
    @UncleRJ Před 2 lety +44

    Listening to Broken Cog is still very trippy even now. That opening riff just deceived you with the pattern. And then, the drums kicked in and all sense of rhythm instant collapsed. It really makes you go, "Wait, the pattern didn't go like that?! What?1?!"

    • @YogevGabay
      @YogevGabay  Před 2 lety +10

      EXACTLYYYYYY

    • @danielemmanuel6261
      @danielemmanuel6261 Před 5 měsíci

      I'm trying to learn it on drums and it's an absolute nightmare trying to coordinate the back beat with the rhythm

  • @MoioTube
    @MoioTube Před 2 lety +2

    I vibe to rhythms by clicking my teeth. I love it.

  • @ddrum1090
    @ddrum1090 Před 2 lety +62

    "God He Sees in Mirrors" is one pattern for the whole song!!! Surprised this song hasn't gotten more attention. No breaks in the pattern, the only song to have 1 pattern go the entire time without any resolution or change that doesn't happen naturally in the pattern in all of meshuggahs discography. Even when the rests occur the pattern remain unchanged underneath, where they join back up with the pattern once the rest ends. Undoubtedly my favorite on the album. There's a great video on CZcams going through the visualization, strongly recommend.

    • @Lenias7
      @Lenias7 Před 2 lety +4

      It's also probably my favorite on the album, and now I have one more reason why that's so ;) thx

    • @WebsterA
      @WebsterA Před 2 lety

      !!

  • @biggie_tea
    @biggie_tea Před 2 lety +5

    The opening of alan Parsons projects 'I robot' does something similar, where the bass synth comes in but it's hard to place, and then when the back beat comes in it actually manages to shift the way you hear it without the line actually changing

  • @machinate
    @machinate Před 2 lety +10

    This video - after all your previous Meshuggah videos - is an excellent primer to a lot of meshuggah-ness in general: Massive tension caused by ambiguity - resolved by a steady snare.

  • @straazz
    @straazz Před 2 lety +6

    Definitely why I tend to gravitate towards any music. I need that complexity. Earlier that would most often mean the process of making sense of what I'm hearing, and that's still a factor, but lately it's the same with harmony. Which is why I love Tigran so much. And Jacob Collier. And Meshuggah. And frikkin Joshua de la Victoria, Animals As Leaders and so on

  • @MRZEDDA
    @MRZEDDA Před 2 lety +2

    I'm glad CZcams algo got me to this channel a while ago.

  • @tamirleibovich
    @tamirleibovich Před 2 lety +2

    Years of questioning schrodinger equation come to an end

  • @AidanMmusic96
    @AidanMmusic96 Před 2 lety +4

    Great point about rhythmic complexity/resolution and audience investment. Dead on! Broken Cog is one of the gnarliest Meshuggah songs yet.

  • @Blackerer
    @Blackerer Před 2 lety +3

    Fu**! So this is what I was trying to describe. In some places I couldnt find the "time-keeping cymbal" and latched myself to a chug, then I realized that drums are actually doing a sick groove, I just had to understand it. So now, I listen to a "time-keeping groove" and its the sickest thing Ive heard in a LONG time.

  • @udomatthiasdrums5322
    @udomatthiasdrums5322 Před 2 lety +2

    still love schrödingers work and yours!!

  • @tomkaracho7622
    @tomkaracho7622 Před 2 lety +3

    yogev is single handedly responsible for the upcoming flood of meshuggah cover bands!

  • @sergioabdalla
    @sergioabdalla Před 2 lety +2

    awesome. nice reasoning and educational approach. hell of a speaker / teacher you sure are.

  • @trialbyicecream
    @trialbyicecream Před 2 lety +2

    Alive and dead, alive and dead! I felt so teased the whole video the same way we feel so teased missing the backbeat.

  • @DOTACeej
    @DOTACeej Před 2 lety +20

    When i first started to break down broken cog for myself, I too feel into the idea that the opening guitar riff was in straight 16trh notes. I found where the loop restarted and did the maths relative to 8 bars of 4/4 and the maths didnt add up. At which point i became very confused and listened to that intro riff over and over again thinking "what is going on" and the snare wasnt falling where it should be according to what i surmised. At some point i thought i heard Tomas accenting some triplets on the toms during the intro so i switched everything to 12/8 and calculated those number and in that moment of elation i leapt from my chair and just yelled "FUCK YOU GUYS, WHY HAVE YOU DONE ME LIKE THIS?" to think i was deceived so early on in the album by such an innocent sounding riff. Just thought id share.

    • @gargaj
      @gargaj Před měsícem

      The funniest part is that the riff is triplets but not a full bar, so it's like... 22/12, or something? And then it's 8 of that + a 16 quarternote triplet bar so 22 * 8 + 16 = 192 triplets, which is 16 bars.

  • @MaxBerson
    @MaxBerson Před 2 lety +3

    3:34 is funky as hell!

  • @johannrajan6357
    @johannrajan6357 Před 2 lety +6

    Your scientific explanation took me back to their song "In Death-Is Death. The pattern is exactly similar to what a cross product multiplication looks like. I don't know if Marten meant it that way but it is very sick realizing things like that.

  • @robotronixgaming2933
    @robotronixgaming2933 Před 2 lety +14

    Can't wait to see your analysis of the new Meshuggah songs (and also 'I' lol). Always love your videos! See you in 7 hours. :)

    • @guitarpsychobilly
      @guitarpsychobilly Před 2 lety +2

      Someone on reddit did an analysis of I not too long ago!

  • @sepiarain
    @sepiarain Před 2 lety +2

    Yes, the anticipation when introduced to an idea before the groove results in a massive reward, especially if on first listen the reveal is surprising enough to make you take note and want to return to the track again and again.

    • @YogevGabay
      @YogevGabay  Před 2 lety

      I also love the fact that you KNOW you'll never be fooled by that song again. That 'NEW' feeling.
      You head it for the first time, and I know that once I know the answer, that feeling will never repeat.

  • @oscargill423
    @oscargill423 Před 2 lety +2

    Ngl I wouldn't mind the Schrödinger's cat experiment being a cat and a dog simultaneously

  • @t3hgir
    @t3hgir Před 2 lety +2

    I've been thinking a bit on this for some time, for harmony we have "tonal gravity" from George Russell's work on the Lydian Chromatic Concept. I postulate that there is a similar "backbeat gravity" for polymeter. When sufficient emphasis (ala Meshuggah) is placed on the quarter or eighth note pulse, one can immediately lock in to a 4/4 backbeat despite the surrounding complexity.

  • @Figgityfoogityfog321
    @Figgityfoogityfog321 Před 2 lety +5

    Your video presentation style & story telling method is extremely entertaining & memorable! It always makes showing my non-musician friends way easier! props!!!

  • @thedavidponyboy1239
    @thedavidponyboy1239 Před 2 lety +3

    gosh, amazing video, amazing channel.....
    u made me a meshuggah fan... love this

  • @camspianosink
    @camspianosink Před 2 lety +8

    This is the same thing.. but metal.
    Holy hell man I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, you are the absolute best. Melding metal and shrodinger’s cat!?!? LOL and YES
    Thank you and don’t ever stop.

  • @stephen6691
    @stephen6691 Před rokem +1

    Best explanation I've ever seen of the underlying concepts of rhythm and meter theory.

  • @kevinkuypers9445
    @kevinkuypers9445 Před 2 lety +8

    This is actually so good, not only the content but the production as well.

  • @davidfuller581
    @davidfuller581 Před 2 lety +2

    Schrodinger's Rhythm: It's both grooving and not until you count it.

  • @Shwesmo
    @Shwesmo Před 2 lety +1

    You got me at "Kinetic Response".

  • @nanadin
    @nanadin Před 2 lety +2

    PLEASE do a full breakdown of broken cog!! I mapped it all out in FL studio and it is nuts

  • @pvlaur
    @pvlaur Před 2 lety +3

    This was VERY satisfaying❤️‍🔥👍🏼👏🏼💥🤟🏼

  • @unohu3047
    @unohu3047 Před 2 lety +1

    Light the Shortening Fuse in quintuplets actually sounded pretty sick.

  • @pablolarrain385
    @pablolarrain385 Před 2 lety +3

    Excellent video! This channel is so underrated!

  • @maxr.k.pravus9518
    @maxr.k.pravus9518 Před 2 lety +4

    yep, that's typical Meshuggah alright. Like Alan Moore said, a good writer uses misdirection to make better writing. Same goes for Meshuggah. I remember when I first started listening to them, especially their older stuff, you start banging your head and then suddenly the beat just "breaks apart" and leaves you confused and a little shaken lol. Great vid as always

  • @Hyunjin_is_Bread
    @Hyunjin_is_Bread Před 2 lety +3

    Man I love your videos and the atmosphere they have

  • @carlcarl167
    @carlcarl167 Před 2 lety +1

    Between your videos and The Art of Drumming HQ, my understanding of musical rhythms has been greatly improved. Thank you for making such entertaining, informative content. \m/

  • @matthewenglund3502
    @matthewenglund3502 Před 2 lety +4

    There are many things I am beginning to understand from your videos. THANK YOU! I have a disconnect though. For myself it’s easier to learn by constructing rather than deconstructing music. It would be great to see you walk though constructing some rythms in the future and I think that would help connect things into that “Oh wow, I finally get it’”

    • @YogevGabay
      @YogevGabay  Před 2 lety +2

      Thanks ! I may do that in the future !

  • @S-dr7jx
    @S-dr7jx Před 2 lety +2

    the best video title about rythm in the universe!!!!

  • @vincentmeka6352
    @vincentmeka6352 Před 2 lety +4

    Could you do analysis on animals as leaders? More specifically, the breakdown in infinite regression?

  • @tomweather8887
    @tomweather8887 Před 2 lety

    Quintuplets sounds so nice on both of them.

  • @nicktalope
    @nicktalope Před 2 lety +1

    oh no... I have to listen to those songs one more time now... (like everytime a heard meshuggah)

  • @saintsrule1853
    @saintsrule1853 Před 2 lety +1

    Oh boy!!!! Best Mayshuggah ever

  • @hectorvegasduque2234
    @hectorvegasduque2234 Před 2 lety +1

    2:22 for one second I thought it was going to be mambo number 5

  • @imarioiv
    @imarioiv Před 2 lety +4

    Yogev, I feel like we’d be pretty good friends. Also, as always, AWESOME SEIKO! Great video.

    • @YogevGabay
      @YogevGabay  Před 2 lety +1

      hahaha you like seiko, I like you.

  • @elderozone
    @elderozone Před 2 lety

    Good stuff as always!

  • @drumkidstu
    @drumkidstu Před 2 lety +2

    Entering into car bomb material when you put that shit into quintuplets

  • @htooauntshein9628
    @htooauntshein9628 Před 2 lety +1

    I didn't expect to get rickrolled here but, here I am

  • @user-kb3fm8ed7g
    @user-kb3fm8ed7g Před 2 lety +3

    אהבתי את הריקרול יצירתי שלך מאוד

  • @Mr._Kagle
    @Mr._Kagle Před rokem

    I can't feel the "Light the Shortening Fuse" pattern in 16th notes even with the backbeat. My mind latches onto it being in triplets and interprets the backbeat as an intricate snare pattern.

    • @YogevGabay
      @YogevGabay  Před rokem

      hahhahah what a groovy problem to have !

  • @tsahihanuka4461
    @tsahihanuka4461 Před 2 lety +1

    one of your best videos! thanks:)

  • @Jeej123
    @Jeej123 Před rokem

    that triplet broken cog bit sounded fucking awesome 5:05

  • @UnexpectedAmy
    @UnexpectedAmy Před 2 lety +2

    Absurdly good video!!

  • @Crcmvnt
    @Crcmvnt Před 2 lety +1

    I love Tuesdays!

  • @bjrnthorness1151
    @bjrnthorness1151 Před 2 lety

    light the shortening fuse is quintuplets actually sounded pretty dope.

  • @kyatzz
    @kyatzz Před rokem

    Meshuggah as quintuplets sounds killer

  • @chriscatharsis5236
    @chriscatharsis5236 Před 2 lety +3

    now i wish light the shortening fuse was in triplets! i thought i was listening to a destroy erase improve out take!

  • @mcAzcrew
    @mcAzcrew Před 2 lety

    My guy Yogev has just Car Bombarded thoses Meshy's songs.

  • @metaddict
    @metaddict Před 2 lety +1

    Goddamnit, I asked for Brogen Cog and got it, now I guess I have to subscribe to this channel :(

  • @gurukimci
    @gurukimci Před rokem

    You are making some great points in your conclusion about music being challenging. I feel this to be true in any art-form / medium. You articulated it well. Good stuff.

  • @JS-tm1gq
    @JS-tm1gq Před rokem

    Years ago when I roomed with maths students I remember debating with one of them that music rhythms exist in quantum states. They debated I was bullshit. Thanks for backing me up here Yogev!

    • @YogevGabay
      @YogevGabay  Před rokem +1

      You're very welcome !

    • @JS-tm1gq
      @JS-tm1gq Před rokem

      ​@@YogevGabay Harmony is also. Think of the subdominant triad IV in a Mixo/Gospel (an F), then compare the supertonic triad II in a Phrygian-Major/Flamenco (an F), which are both the same chord transposed to the frequency, but wildly different when affected by their outside influences.
      (btw love your vids since forever MASSIVE THANKS!!)

  • @ArtemisiaSayakaRandazzo

    My two loves Physics and Meshuggah in one!

  • @astrolopitekos
    @astrolopitekos Před 2 lety +1

    Watched the first semi-final of Eurovision and then this. I think I have brain damage now.

  • @hdrevolution123
    @hdrevolution123 Před 2 lety +1

    Good video my friend!

  • @LukeZuniga
    @LukeZuniga Před 2 lety

    Broken Cog is probably one of the best Meshuggah grooves.

  • @redlayerguitars
    @redlayerguitars Před 2 lety +2

    It's funny it's saying Schrödinger's cat related to Meshuggah... I'm litteraly waiting on something to be revealed which is kind of all or nothing... also Meshuggah-related :')

  • @FranHn1982
    @FranHn1982 Před 2 lety +1

    Fabulous aproach to this perspective/subjective rhythm phenomenon that is a kind of mistery in the space-time matrix, of wich the Shuggah boys are genuine wizards, and personally can't fin the way to explain, so, THANK YOU!!! 🤘🔥

  • @CoronelC
    @CoronelC Před 2 lety +1

    Polyrhythmic Synth Jazz by Stuck in November

  • @MoioTube
    @MoioTube Před 2 lety +1

    I beg you, do I Am Colossus. I've been listening to that piece for years without ever fully grasping it.

  • @isiahfletcher2859
    @isiahfletcher2859 Před 2 lety

    I now expect somebody to (if someone hasn't already) make a metal cover of Catdog

  • @solyamidoremifasolya1027

    Спасибо за видео, Йогев..)

  • @Denny_Boi
    @Denny_Boi Před 10 měsíci

    My more musically educated friend sort of enlightened me of this occurrence. He called them ghost notes and having to headbang to what you don't hear instead of what you. Not so sure if that applies here, but it's how I began to grasp Meshuggah.

  • @davidjairala69
    @davidjairala69 Před 2 lety +3

    Ok but can Schrodinger explain how a fuse can be shortening when you haven't even lit it yet?

    • @batweed
      @batweed Před 2 lety +2

      The fuse is both lit and unlit at the same time ;)

  • @m0nkeyman911
    @m0nkeyman911 Před 2 lety

    1:18
    Instant recognition

  • @salz-peterzucker426
    @salz-peterzucker426 Před 2 lety +1

    I like your Fisix!

    • @YogevGabay
      @YogevGabay  Před 2 lety +1

      That's what you get when you buy Physics from Ali Express.

  • @CadeLand011
    @CadeLand011 Před 2 lety +1

    awesome i love your content. you gotta do Kaleidoscope next

  • @firstname_lastname3507

    Such a good video

  • @JesterWDE
    @JesterWDE Před 2 lety +5

    I’m begging you please analyze Born In Dissonance 🙏🏻

  • @ranatha
    @ranatha Před 2 lety

    Light the shortening fusr sounds like early mrshuggah

  • @blackenedone662
    @blackenedone662 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you for finally answering the age old question… is broken cog’s subdivision quintuplets?

  • @user-ec6kt2fg7m
    @user-ec6kt2fg7m Před 2 lety

    Digital Elephants could be in a Wangan Racing game intro.

  • @vaquilina
    @vaquilina Před 2 lety

    hell yes

  • @cowsaysmoo51
    @cowsaysmoo51 Před rokem

    I still have trouble feeling both of these songs in their respective sub-beats. Broken Cog feels more like 3/4 than 4/4 with triplets, and the riff for Light the Shortening Fuse sounds like it's BEGGING to be felt as triplets. My brain still hasn't been able to hear them any other way. When I listen to them carefully it's obvious that my intuition is wrong but somehow I can't "unhear" the way I'm used to hearing them.

  • @ofirtalmor
    @ofirtalmor Před 2 lety +2

    I really enjoy the whole "I'm a simple minded Israeli" thing.

  • @carlc7508
    @carlc7508 Před 2 lety +1

    yes, that is the exact explanation of the schrödingers cat problem :D :D :D :D

    • @YogevGabay
      @YogevGabay  Před 2 lety

      Dude, I'm an expert in biology. I know all of Eddie Schrodingers work.

  • @muddydave01
    @muddydave01 Před 2 lety

    Dead and alive cat until you open the box and observe it. Some take it further and suggest the act of observing tiny sub atomic particles actually brings them into reality, that is Meshuggah is actually playing in triplets, sixteenths and quints until you listen and perceive one into reality.

  • @forevermetal89
    @forevermetal89 Před 2 lety +1

    I always assumed they secretly wrote in 1/8 time signature, with any number of measures in a phrase, playing at ridiculous bpms.....😐

  • @Bobobo-bo-bo-bobobo
    @Bobobo-bo-bo-bobobo Před rokem

    Light the Shortening Fuse in triplets is downtuned Lamb of God, and quintuplets is Dream Theater lol

  • @robbledot7290
    @robbledot7290 Před 2 lety +2

    noice

  • @anthonypayne2526
    @anthonypayne2526 Před 2 lety

    YO!!!! Did you just Rick Roll us?!?!?! LOL

  • @Benjamin-om3ih
    @Benjamin-om3ih Před 2 lety +1

    I think the shrodingers cat thing is the cat is both alive and dead

  • @Max-ol9qi
    @Max-ol9qi Před 2 lety

    I'd love mirage from leprous

  • @jeromesnail
    @jeromesnail Před 2 lety +1

    Another example: intro of Don't Tread On Me by Metallica.

  • @robbledot7290
    @robbledot7290 Před 2 lety

    LTSF in quintuplets fried my face off

  • @sternhoek1669
    @sternhoek1669 Před 2 lety

    Personally i feel broken cog in 3/4 with 16th notes subdivsion.

  • @JP-pd1el
    @JP-pd1el Před 2 lety

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but "Ivory Tower"'s beginning (TVSOR album) is constructed on an ambiguity - or a transition from a binary to a ternary backbeat isn't it ?

  • @mingnrich
    @mingnrich Před rokem

    OMG the shekalim coin made me realize why you write the letter N like that. You write it like a Mem.

  • @briancherry8088
    @briancherry8088 Před 2 lety +1

    What's up with that middle section of Abysmal Eye?

    • @YogevGabay
      @YogevGabay  Před 2 lety +2

      czcams.com/video/a1RwXRzcv_4/video.html
      here you go ! hope this helps

  • @elecrocity
    @elecrocity Před 2 lety

    Metzuyan, keragil!