How Strong is Human Goku?

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  • čas přidán 20. 08. 2024

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  • @Fentlover1
    @Fentlover1 Před měsícem +513

    Still gokuversel

  • @AhmedHussain-ju6xd
    @AhmedHussain-ju6xd Před měsícem +454

    1:37
    He'd still have god ki cuz all beings can have it. Just not the god forms

    • @Diezel_Mayweather
      @Diezel_Mayweather Před měsícem +48

      3:30 he gives you an answer. I think Lonk was just saying he wouldnt be able to use Super Saiyan god from the ritual.

    • @AhmedHussain-ju6xd
      @AhmedHussain-ju6xd Před měsícem +7

      ​@@Diezel_Mayweather 👍

    • @animechat6727
      @animechat6727 Před měsícem +15

      @@Diezel_Mayweatherhe don’t give an answer. He actually just says he still can use UI as a human; and a human can use god ki.
      God ki in dragonball is simply keeping any ki from leaking out of the body; which increases the quality not quantity of the users ki. He took away god ki for no reason.
      Example having 5 pennies vs 5 gold coins.

    • @Mbrace818
      @Mbrace818 Před měsícem +5

      He still loses God Ki because his only means of accessing God ki are through Saiyan transformations. It's why it's called Super Saiyan God.
      If Goku used God ki in base-form, you'd be correct. But he doesn't.

    • @ShaudL
      @ShaudL Před měsícem +5

      @@Mbrace818he can sense and use god ki in all his forms

  • @BCCSquidward
    @BCCSquidward Před měsícem +239

    He'd definitely be the strongest human in the entire series and could have access to things like Kaioken, Ultimate, & Ultra Instinct. 🤔

    • @1DclanX
      @1DclanX Před měsícem +14

      he never got ultimate but in scenario 2 i can see him getting it

    • @normal_handle47
      @normal_handle47 Před měsícem +6

      but the power gap bettween him and the humans will shorten fiannly yamcha is gonna have his first post db w

    • @KinDeth
      @KinDeth Před měsícem +10

      ⁠@@normal_handle47if goku from now is turned human he’d still easily be stronger

    • @Theflowingcurrent
      @Theflowingcurrent Před měsícem +3

      @@normal_handle47Yeah the gap would go from unreachable to reachable, in a few decades in the hyperbolic time chamber

    • @chanalAnims
      @chanalAnims Před 15 dny

      He would still have ultra instinct

  • @Man_0f_Trenches
    @Man_0f_Trenches Před měsícem +99

    “Fuck the big three, it’s only big ME.” -Goku.

    • @wwalton
      @wwalton Před měsícem +6

      Always BIGKU NEVER the little one

  • @zachg5856
    @zachg5856 Před měsícem +248

    goku would still have god ki it’s not like being human doesn’t let u have god ki as base form would have god ki access

    • @shirosatsuma4946
      @shirosatsuma4946 Před měsícem +5

      He would've have god ki because he only got it from Ssj God

    • @JoãoMigueldeOliveiraAlmeida
      @JoãoMigueldeOliveiraAlmeida Před měsícem +33

      ​@@shirosatsuma4946He can train with Whis to get the god ki again, just like Vegeta did

    • @shirosatsuma4946
      @shirosatsuma4946 Před měsícem +6

      @JoãoMigueldeOliveiraAlmeida he could, but in the story he doesn't. We're talking about the story that actually happened

    • @LemoneMan
      @LemoneMan Před měsícem +5

      ​@@JoãoMigueldeOliveiraAlmeidaBeerus notes that saiyans seem to have the ability to retain the god essence, thats why lonk didnt give goku god ki.

    • @juanrocky8147
      @juanrocky8147 Před měsícem +9

      He does have a form that uses god ki without going into ssjg.
      Beyong god

  • @yoyyoy6376
    @yoyyoy6376 Před měsícem +61

    Given how potential works in the post Z era, being human is no longer a massive Nerf as it was in Z due too power creeps and rectcon training potential shown by the fact that krillin and Master Roshi were relative to base Goku who was massively more powerful than SSJ3 Goku at the end of the Buu saga.

    • @MohamedDekkal-yy3uh
      @MohamedDekkal-yy3uh Před měsícem +5

      Heck in andriod saga humans thèse 3 years of training humanitaire are on par with frieza

    • @SionReaver
      @SionReaver Před měsícem +11

      @@MohamedDekkal-yy3uh And the funnier thing is, correct me if my wrong but humans post King Kai didn't get advanced training(I.E. Chamber, gravity, etc) so the fact they're that strong is scary.

    • @MohamedDekkal-yy3uh
      @MohamedDekkal-yy3uh Před měsícem +5

      @@SionReaver bro in db any character in dbreach any levell by pure training it's just that some have genetics that make it easier
      And dbz did the humans dirty
      In dbs they finally made humans usefull and gave them bigger role but it was bad wyiting training off screen no new type of training no new solution just offscreen training

    • @josuebarba9361
      @josuebarba9361 Před měsícem

      @@MohamedDekkal-yy3uh Yamcha´s Power level was believed by Dr.Gero to be Goku´s at first, which implies he became somewhat comparable to his base form... But Toriyama had agenda.

    • @MohamedDekkal-yy3uh
      @MohamedDekkal-yy3uh Před měsícem +3

      @@josuebarba9361 bro in short
      All character grow rediculoslly fast to the point you might think nothing changed

  • @chakrafuji458
    @chakrafuji458 Před měsícem +143

    “Ah yes let’s change Goku’s entire biology to make it fair”

    • @he_who_has_no_name
      @he_who_has_no_name Před měsícem +31

      *still loses because humans in DB are all probably low multi (minimum) by the ToP*

    • @nub436
      @nub436 Před měsícem +1

      ​@@he_who_has_no_nameHumans can't even take a Bullet or Carry a tractor what you talk about

    • @mideviltrey
      @mideviltrey Před měsícem +47

      ​@@nub436Krillen, Tien, Yamcha, Roshi. All of them are human and are planet busters bare minimum.

    • @nub436
      @nub436 Před měsícem +3

      @@mideviltrey Humans in DB imeant Average Humans

    • @alibeknorbekov5963
      @alibeknorbekov5963 Před měsícem +7

      It's still unfair
      Others should have their abilities to keep up with human goku

  • @i.drawcomics
    @i.drawcomics Před měsícem +26

    If baby goku was human there’s also the possibility that Pilaf comes to rule the world if the gathering of the dragon balls goes similarly enough lol

    • @Luckrye
      @Luckrye Před měsícem +4

      No way lmfao. Roshi would still have one of the dragon balls and he was the strongest guy on Earth at the time

  • @lonkstakes
    @lonkstakes  Před měsícem +127

    Can he beat saiyan Krillin tho?

    • @BiggieCrescent
      @BiggieCrescent Před měsícem +25

      Saiyan Krillin slams in base

    • @KINGNINJA.
      @KINGNINJA. Před měsícem +25

      That might be the funniest thing I’ve ever heard

    • @RedHeadDude65
      @RedHeadDude65 Před měsícem +8

      i honestly think the amount of L's Krillen has taken if he was a saiyan hed one shot zeno😂

    • @BCCSquidward
      @BCCSquidward Před měsícem +7

      Probably not... Saiyan Krillin's Zenkais would be crazy. 💀

    • @lazerbreaker4758
      @lazerbreaker4758 Před měsícem +2

      With a wife like 18 no he won't beat saiyan krillin since he'd spar with 18 more both in the training ground abd the bedroom

  • @onyx6774
    @onyx6774 Před měsícem +224

    Goku would lose his SSG form, not God Ki, God Ki is God Ki, it not because he is a saiyan.
    If you take away his ki, goku is pretty much dead since Ki is his life force. They are fighting a corpse then lol

    • @Dumbsourplum
      @Dumbsourplum Před měsícem +9

      Yep but he can't ACQUIRE it with the sayian ritual

    • @blue-eyeswhitekirbo2543
      @blue-eyeswhitekirbo2543 Před měsícem +29

      @@Dumbsourplumtrue, he’d have to figure it out the same way vegeta did, which isn’t impossible, just difficult.

    • @gentlepeeps3351
      @gentlepeeps3351 Před měsícem +5

      The problem is when he activated god ki his ssg activates we don’t know what a non sayian god ki goku would look like

    • @MohamedEsawm-uk6gy
      @MohamedEsawm-uk6gy Před měsícem +13

      @gentlepeeps3351 we actually did see that, in Resurrection of F Goku and Vegeta acquire something called "Saiyan beyond God" which is basically them fully using God Ki instead of regular ki in their base form against Frieza

    • @animechat6727
      @animechat6727 Před měsícem +2

      @@gentlepeeps3351go back and watch the movie and show where freiza first come back.

  • @Shadow-Astro69
    @Shadow-Astro69 Před měsícem +70

    Let's take one of his abilities
    Let's take one of his abilities
    Let's take one of his abilities
    Let's take his race
    Like bruh how is that fair?
    That's like making Usain bolt white

    • @NRVNQSRR
      @NRVNQSRR Před měsícem +6

      People don't actually read or watch db. And so they think that Goku losing his Saiyan genes would cripple him but we all know that he's got plot armor so he would still train his ass off and be as strong as he would be if not only slightly weaker.

    • @Shadow-Astro69
      @Shadow-Astro69 Před měsícem +29

      @@NRVNQSRR hard work is called plot armor nowadays smh

    • @Aaa-vp6ug
      @Aaa-vp6ug Před měsícem +5

      Not to mention most of Luffy’s abilities are based around the devil fruit, so it’s more like “Take 60 to 99.9% of his powers”
      Edit: sorry, I was wrong, the pre-edit part is misinformation

    • @Shadow-Astro69
      @Shadow-Astro69 Před měsícem +2

      @@Aaa-vp6ug which means he's fraud d luffy

    • @xavierthomas5835
      @xavierthomas5835 Před měsícem +5

      ​@@Shadow-Astro691) calling luffy a fraud is cap. 2) training is definitely plot armor, sometimes. How does Goku training in gravity yield him the ability to overcome All of the zenkai boost vegeta gains, but when Vegeta does the same, for YEARS on end, versus goku doing regular training, as far as it is seen, he is only comparable to Goku by the start of the Android Saga? This is just one of many times training becomes a crutch for one character to get to another part of the story without blowing up just looking at the opposing threat. There are definitely more.

  • @gaming_senpai004
    @gaming_senpai004 Před měsícem +15

    I think that in base as a human he would also be able to push kioken to like 100 or something 😂

  • @Zyrdrakyll
    @Zyrdrakyll Před měsícem +42

    The only thing that would change is his haircut lmao

    • @debtajay352
      @debtajay352 Před měsícem +2

      lol

    • @Silliously
      @Silliously Před měsícem +7

      He probably bald because every Z fighter except Yamcha are bald 💀

    • @ballerdoom2400
      @ballerdoom2400 Před měsícem +2

      @@Silliouslyi think they shaved theyre head bc of they’re culture or something but krillin has hair he just keeps cutting it cuz he likes the look and it suits him.

  • @ancientking224
    @ancientking224 Před měsícem +44

    Depends on how we define "human" Goku.
    If were talking in the most recent arc he wakes up as a human then he only loses his Super Saiyan forms, so Kaio-Ken, god ki, and Ultra Instinct are all still accessible. He'd be a bit weaker baseline and no Zenkai's or increased endurance but he'd still would be able to destroy Unvierses.
    Now if were talking from the start that's questionable, as you mentioned Grandpa Gohan would still be alive and Goku would be better trained but anything that reaches past OG Dragon Ball is unknown and if anything Goku has a good chance of dying and staying dead in OG Dragon Ball.

    • @harikiranv8580
      @harikiranv8580 Před měsícem

      But theres no sign of himans could access godki!

    • @hhxte3185
      @hhxte3185 Před měsícem

      ​​​@@harikiranv8580 Didn't krillin fight goku ssb and was still going holding it down?

    • @ancientking224
      @ancientking224 Před měsícem +8

      @@harikiranv8580 In Dragon Ball Super's Manga Kid Buu possesed god ki. When he reincarnated into Uub that godly energy was kept, showing an example that humans can use god ki, not to mention how the gods of destruction were all at one point mortals and they have godly energy so I'm certain it's accessible to all mortals you just need a ritual like the Super Saiyan god one or the training to unlock it.

    • @Dumbsourplum
      @Dumbsourplum Před měsícem +1

      Yeah I feel Super Goku wouldn't lose that much, since he's past the poijt of relying on super sayian forms, even if SSG and SSB go off of Super Sayian he can just recreate it with God ki

    • @retroskeleton891
      @retroskeleton891 Před měsícem +2

      There is also the possibility of Goku probably not wanting to fight as much as he usually wants to. This could not only change him physically but mentally so he could become more patient and serious by not having his Sayian blood boiling for battle constantly and maybe be able to use Ultra instinct better by being purely human, this is all speculation on my part though.

  • @Lego_vegeta
    @Lego_vegeta Před měsícem +8

    I don’t see how he loses god ki in the first scenario since other characters such as beerus and maybe the supreme Kai have access to it as well. I only see him losing his super forms and him just having to use god ki in base

    • @lebrondavis1420
      @lebrondavis1420 Před 29 dny

      @@Lego_vegeta I think what he means is goku wont get it the same way he got in canon which is the saiyan ritual

  • @PotMonkey
    @PotMonkey Před měsícem +31

    If he was a human from the very beginning he would've been shot to death by bulma ☠️

    • @ShinAk1raSama
      @ShinAk1raSama Před měsícem +10

      I dunno, Krillin, Roshi, and Goku survived being shot at by Launch, with them only having comical bullet hole marks on their heads.

    • @Jayfym912
      @Jayfym912 Před měsícem +2

      cap

  • @user-ji5ru8ln7y
    @user-ji5ru8ln7y Před měsícem +7

    How about Goku vs Wang Ling from the Daily Life of the Immortal KIng? That guy is quite a underrated powerhouse of his own merits.

  • @nuclearwaste2062
    @nuclearwaste2062 Před měsícem +7

    In the manga krillen straight up cracked cell max's wing. 😂
    So humans are ridiculously op in the DBS verse. It wouldnt affect goku much at all. He loses his saiyan abilities, but god ki and ultra instinct are not saiyan abilities. 😅 ultimate gohan is not a saiyan ability. Gohan beast is also not a saiyan ability. 😅 those are 2 transformations goku can also achieve. And officially speaking, beast transformation is not limited to saiyans in xenoverse 2. Humans can have it to.
    So a human goku will be able to achieve the ultimate transformation and beast mode like his son. Afterall even gohan stated in the manga that he wanted to pursue his human powers.

  • @Solesteam
    @Solesteam Před měsícem +4

    10:10 Assuming Xenoverse is incorrect in how it handles Beast and UI, Goku would be a tad more dangerous than he is as a Saiyan, cause without the hair color changes, you wouldn't be able to tell if he's gone full UI or still on Sign...

  • @LovethedemonWolf2.0
    @LovethedemonWolf2.0 Před měsícem +2

    He’s obviously the main character they gonna find someway to keep him relevant, even if he is human and power creep is a thing as well

  • @mondohermano8953
    @mondohermano8953 Před měsícem +5

    "Fruitless Luffy"
    My boy not even Wall level 😭

    • @jakob9323
      @jakob9323 Před měsícem

      You are massively sleeping on haki

    • @lebrondavis1420
      @lebrondavis1420 Před měsícem

      @@jakob9323 I think they mean pre-timeskip luffy

    • @kaistemino
      @kaistemino Před 29 dny +2

      @@lebrondavis1420 Off topic. I don't even think fruitless Luffy can beat Usopp. Maybe strength, I guess speed but Usopp was stated to be a good runner, mostly from pranking the village about some lie. Battle IQ and IQ can kinda whoop some ass. but that's mostly Usopp's Combat's. Luffy is the weakest but the strongest in the crew (he is the captain ig)
      did i cook

    • @lebrondavis1420
      @lebrondavis1420 Před 29 dny

      @@kaistemino most definitely if we’re going pre-timeskip luffy has no devil fruit,no haki,and no real combat training bro might as well be a civilian you cooked most def

    • @a180combatbowsergamepro6
      @a180combatbowsergamepro6 Před 7 dny

      @@kaistemino he didnt think about this bro but i think gojo is clapping fruitless luffy

  • @ZenkoG.O.C
    @ZenkoG.O.C Před měsícem +3

    So basically if goku only used Ui and kaioken

  • @AhmedHussain-ju6xd
    @AhmedHussain-ju6xd Před měsícem +6

    Could you do how strong is goku? Most people low ball him to universal. I'd love for you to clear this misconception

    • @abhishek.k7713
      @abhishek.k7713 Před měsícem +2

      He is high complex multiversal. But because super has inconsistent power scaling it can br confusing.
      Right now he is high complex multiversal with immeasurable speed.

  • @gelatogremlin
    @gelatogremlin Před měsícem +6

    W vid almost forgot to comment like half way thruu

  • @PrinceVoider
    @PrinceVoider Před měsícem +1

    I'd totally love a goku without Ki/Chi video if you would want to make one! Great video too!

  • @ballerdoom2400
    @ballerdoom2400 Před měsícem

    Krillin as a kid pushed a rock that was 10 to 20 tons before they even knew about ki😂

  • @absolutleynotanalien8096
    @absolutleynotanalien8096 Před měsícem +47

    He dies after hitting his head as a baby.

    • @ben_adel3437
      @ben_adel3437 Před měsícem +15

      well technically his aggressive saiyan nature is what caused him to fall so maybe he wouldn't fall this time

    • @sumthinorother9615
      @sumthinorother9615 Před měsícem +10

      ⁠@@ben_adel3437
      He dies when he gets hit by a car

    • @ssjcicerolegendcicero3785
      @ssjcicerolegendcicero3785 Před měsícem +2

      He dies from suffocation or starvation on the way to Earth in the saiyan pod 😭

    • @xavierwalker6470
      @xavierwalker6470 Před měsícem +3

      @@sumthinorother9615 Likely stronger due to having better training from Gohan

    • @xavierwalker6470
      @xavierwalker6470 Před měsícem +3

      @@ssjcicerolegendcicero3785 Never gets sent to earth because he isn't saiyan, he's just born there

  • @African-AmericanGoose
    @African-AmericanGoose Před měsícem +2

    Goku is infinite immeasurable layers into Gokuversal 🗣🗣

  • @Alassandros
    @Alassandros Před měsícem +1

    Would Goku be as strong with Zenkai boosts or Saiyan transformations?

  • @nintendofan1921
    @nintendofan1921 Před měsícem +1

    You should do some power scaling for the filler other world tournament arc, I love some of those characters like olibu froug, arqua, and of course pikkon

  • @Reuraku
    @Reuraku Před měsícem

    The problem with human Goku and UI is, they show these power boosts do in fact put a strain on the fighter (it usually doesn't come into play in an actual fight but they due mention it a few times) to the point of potential death; when Kaioken was introduced, when Gohan got SSJ Goku talks about it, when Goku uses Kaiken with blue they mention the risks. If Goku were to not have the other forms to basically train his resilience/act as a buffer to this the massive boost that UI gives might just kill him outright.
    This also brings up a big problem the 'saiyan problem', due to the overwhelming multiplier from their forms, it leaves 1 of 3 scenarios: 1) Base form is incredibly weak so that the other characters aren't made completely irrelevant by the transformations, 2) base form at least on par with other characters making every non-saiyan is made completely irrelevant since either the enemy is so strong that they would be dissolved into nothingness by being breathed on (10 billion times stronger is an unfathomable gap) or 3) inconsistent writing since someone like Jiren being able to use less than 1/100,000,000th of his strength is bonkers never mind Gold Frieza who's new form is hard to control and is out for blood only using 1/10,000,000th of his strength especially when only 1/50th (minimum) would destroy the entire universe.
    TL;DR Power scaling in DB is dumb, there is a reason power levels and scaling were abandoned for rule of cool. Fans take it more seriously then Toriyama ever did.

  • @YimYum911
    @YimYum911 Před měsícem +1

    Imagine ultimate while using ultra instinct and kaioken 💀

  • @Prince_Luci
    @Prince_Luci Před měsícem +1

    I don’t think Naruto would beat Goku equal stats but i think his sage mode and experience fighting people with eyes that grant them precognition has prepared Naruto to fight ultra instinct better than most characters in fiction.

  • @jordandavilabrown294
    @jordandavilabrown294 Před měsícem +1

    False, "human Goku" would still have "God Ki" he just wouldn't have access to his God Forms anymore due to no longer having saiyan biology.
    Goku would have something very similar if not the exact same thing as "Saiyan Beyond God" state where they can utilize God Ki without having to undergo a transformation.

  • @jordanglasper1064
    @jordanglasper1064 Před měsícem

    What I love most about this video is the concept. If Goku loses Super Saiyan, even as an earthling he should still technically be able to power up even if he doesn’t transform.
    Even as an earthling, Goku should be able to perform at 50 times multiplier. We translate to Super Self. If you will.
    The Zenkai Boost is not exclusive to the Saiyans alone. The Earthling Z fighters too, have this capability. That’s why Krillin got Stronger too, after receiving a senzu bean and healed by Dendè.
    Earthlings and Saiyans have very similar biology. Why am I sayin all this? The Earthling Z fighters should have the ability to transform thru a power up. No physical damage on the outside. No physical change on the outside, however they increase the inner potential 30x multiplier.
    Because Goku is exceptional whether he’s an earthling or a saying. He still gets to 50 times multiplier. The difference is he doesn’t get any of the negative weaknesses of the super Saiyan multiplier, but he inherently games all of the strength he still have to train on top of that to maintain the form as well as increased the stamina. So essentially earthling Goku doesn’t lose any power.
    I always thought this was a very interesting concept for the Earthling Z fighters, because they continue to surpass benchmarks of strength feat and power levels that Goku had previously created. This shows their inner potential to not only surpass the main character, but to exceed him by an extremely huge margin. This is a great vid.

  • @LazrBG
    @LazrBG Před měsícem +1

    Honestly when i saw the title of the video i thought you would powerscale End of OG Dragon Ball and beginning of Z Goku since nobody knew he was a saiyan yet.

  • @no_name900
    @no_name900 Před měsícem +1

    Ultra instinct is an ability that manifests as a transformation in the case of Saiyans. Earthling Goku would not transform into Ultra Instinct, rather he'd just use it in his base form, so his only known form. Goku does use the ability in forms beside the Saiyan UI transformations anyway
    The reasoning for UI being a Saiyan transformation is probably just that each transformation responds to a particular characteristic that just doesn't result in a transformation for most other beings. Usage of god ki results in the god form, yet a character such as Kami didn't transform from (presumably, as per his title) becoming God. Anger, trauma and such result in Super Saiyan, god ki and said anger result in Blue, Rosé results from the former combined with the Supreme Kai status, and again, Ultra Instinct forms appear from the (initial) usage of the ability

    • @Jayfym912
      @Jayfym912 Před měsícem

      cap

    • @TheUglyBread.
      @TheUglyBread. Před 17 dny

      You called UI a "transformation" it's a technique and it has been done by other dragon ball characters who aren't human as well.

  • @nuil6137
    @nuil6137 Před měsícem +1

    Goku and vegeta had access to god ki without needing super saiyan god or blue, "Saiyan Beyond God" is an explicit progression of goku and vegeta where they utilize god ki in their base form. Goku would still retain all the power he has currently besides his saiyan forms, meaning he'd still have access to UI and MUI & kaioken
    (Wasn't disagreeing with the video but you made it seem like the only reason why goku had god ki was because he had his saiyan god forms, i was just clarifying that god ki is more central to him than just a form, the form is the game and god ki is the mod)

  • @fillintheblank9378
    @fillintheblank9378 Před 21 dnem

    considering the second scenario, if he wasnt a saiyan he would die when falling off the cliff, rather then just getting memory loss.

  • @brianlaureus
    @brianlaureus Před měsícem +1

    Should make it clear that much of the time those comparison aren’t even fair cause the other guys are losing just a set power while they removing gokus whole biology is crazy.

  • @mysterholmes345
    @mysterholmes345 Před 15 dny

    It's funny because Goku was originally just a human with a monkey tail. Essentially, he was like a werewolf.
    A lot of people don't know this, but Goku being a saiyan is a retcon. He wasn't conceived as such. Saiyans were thought up during the making of Dragon Ball Z's events.

  • @sev9258
    @sev9258 Před měsícem

    I personally don’t think he would lose his God ki if he was wished to be a human, especially if he’s keeping his training experience from ALL of his mentors. He most likely just loses his saiyan forms and that’s all.

  • @a180combatbowsergamepro6

    even if you take it too literally and say if they never had any of those from the start, it still doesnt work because they either all end up dead, or its not even the same show

  • @NigelMelanisticSmith
    @NigelMelanisticSmith Před 16 dny

    I think one thing that should have been talked more about are Zenkai boosts. Lots of Goku's Power came from near death experiences as a Saiyan, so I'd personally think he'd lose those Zenkai boosts if he became human.
    Edit: Another example of this is Buu. If you turned Buuhan into a Human, I wouldn't expect that resulting human to have the full power of Buu plus an absorbed Gohan. Just like how Buu reincarnated as Uub isn't super strong yet.

  • @harikiranv8580
    @harikiranv8580 Před měsícem +1

    He just needs to train more harder with all the other z warriors, but he most likely would make vegeta more salty. If by the chance that goku did beat freiza.

  • @HaiderQaiser
    @HaiderQaiser Před měsícem +1

    Plz can you reply me plz plz make a video about there is a video going about goku eunning the gaunlent in it there is god shinra rimuru jin mori sung jin woo anos voldigod and one another dude plz

  • @showmeboy3807
    @showmeboy3807 Před měsícem +1

    I voted for this just to see WTF is a human Goku????

  • @Goku34637
    @Goku34637 Před měsícem +1

    You should do yuji itadori vs homelander

  • @rodthedigger2902
    @rodthedigger2902 Před měsícem +1

    Great video!

  • @wolfgod6443
    @wolfgod6443 Před měsícem

    I agree with this assessment because it would miss the point of Goku surpassing all the prodigies and godly beings or monsters if it was "because he's a saiyan and saiyans are the best". That's Vegeta's style, not Goku's. However in the current day with new mindsets from Vegeta, Broly, etc. they would surpass Goku THANKS TO Goku changing their mindsets, especially Vegeta. I think Black Frieza is a perfect example of what happens when one of the extremely overpowered mega-ultra-terrifying prodigies actually listens to Goku and trains like he does. It's a wake-up call that despite everything Goku has done, nearly everyone in the story has had a head start over him in the strength department.

  • @jerrelvinson964
    @jerrelvinson964 Před měsícem +1

    He should still have both god ki and ultra instinct since they have nothing to do with being a Saiyan

  • @user-qk9mf1mg4s
    @user-qk9mf1mg4s Před měsícem +3

    hehe, nice vid!

  • @LRSBoyzRus
    @LRSBoyzRus Před měsícem

    All the other lost their powers but gold lost his whole race ……. Damn 😂

  • @PURPLE_G0J0
    @PURPLE_G0J0 Před měsícem

    Androids still existed before Goku messed with the RR Army in DB. The DBZ androids would still exist

  • @filipcesnjak2944
    @filipcesnjak2944 Před měsícem +1

    Goku would not get zenkai boost after the fights against Tao Pai Pai and King Picolo, but he would have better starting skills since grampa Gohan would trained him more before he would continue his training with master Roshi, and later with Korin and Kami, if he would die he would train with King Kain brfore his revival with Dragon Balls and he could train in room of Spirit and Time as well in gravity room for the limited time, and at the end all Kai could relese his latend potential ... Human Goku would be powerfull as SSJ1 Goku ... Still much more powerfull then other anime charcters in this video.

  • @mohitnair2541
    @mohitnair2541 Před měsícem +3

    6 mins ago is tantalising

  • @Flipitmixit
    @Flipitmixit Před měsícem +5

    6:21 If Goku wasnt a saiyan Gohan wouldnt even find him in those woods

  • @FBPG
    @FBPG Před měsícem +1

    Humans in DB at some point are some overpowered for other franchises. In first DB Tenchinhan, Yamcha and Chaotzu are running on highway and the guy in ferrari is speeding as fast as them until they decided to leave him behind at speed that looked supersonic. I know Gojo is superfast, but for DB Humans it is just a beginning.

  • @Mo-.
    @Mo-. Před měsícem +1

    For scenario 1, god ki isn’t directly tied to Goku being a Saiyan, sure you can argue that’s HOW he learned to use it, but Vegeta did the same through traditional training instead of a ritual. Goku would still have god ki, just not any of the forms that fuse that with his Saiyan abilities like SSB or Super Saiyan Red. Ultra Instinct is still considered a transformation that uses god ki, and Goku would be able to use it. Thats not to say it’s inherently tied to it as Master Roshi didn’t have god ki but came pretty close to using it once, however the way Goku used it, he does tap into god Ki in the process. So we can assume that he wouldn’t lose it just because he’s no longer a Saiyan

  • @majinjason
    @majinjason Před měsícem

    Are you talking about when they fought Buu? Because they specifically say Debura is equal to Cell. They have to use SS2 to beat him. They are not as powerful as Cell in base, probably equal in SS1 and way beyond in SS2, but no where near in base.
    As for Super. The whole beginning plot was that they hit a plateau in power. SSG allowed them to go past and pushed them into UI, Ego, and Beast. So they are probably stronger than Cell in SS1, but again not equal in base.

  • @TrueReverse74
    @TrueReverse74 Před měsícem

    Um. In the first scenario where he'd be wished to be a human, Goku would still have god ki, he just can't transform with it, it would just exist in his body in the same way it does with uub, he'd still be able to use it. Also, he'd probably use kaioken to a higher degree if he wished to because there's no stress induced by ssj.

  • @killerfunni
    @killerfunni Před 13 dny

    You forgot one thing, saiyans get DRAMATICALLY much stronger after a near-death situation, and considering how many times goku was in a near death situation, he basically got immensely stronger. Also it really depends what you define as human, if he straight up suddenly turns human he can use different techniques n etc, if he was born a human he would be much weaker

  • @Mifey05
    @Mifey05 Před měsícem

    Remember, Krillin is an earthling yet he still joined ToP. I mean he is the strongest earthling

  • @tkthebeyonder6714
    @tkthebeyonder6714 Před měsícem

    god ki isn't a saiyan exclusive property, so in base he should still manage to be as strong as super saiyan god

  • @kingcobraarchie
    @kingcobraarchie Před měsícem

    He wouldn't have the UI form but he would have god ki. Saiyans have an innate ability to transform in order to use certain powers more effectively. He would still be able to use the UI technique as Roshi does, and he would still be able to use god ki as beerus does, he just wouldn't have the corresponding transformations that allow him to do it more effectively

  • @sammyboi8938
    @sammyboi8938 Před měsícem

    I think Kaoiken would be Human Goku's Super Saiyan. If he continues to train and forge Kaioken, I think he would reach new levels of Kaioken. Like maybe, during his fight with Frieza, he might go Kaioken x50

  • @leoneyamada5408
    @leoneyamada5408 Před měsícem

    Goku without super Saiyan forms would HAVE to focus more on his skills and abilities
    Meaning he would probably unlock UI A LOT SOONER because he would be revisiting old masters and there lessons and almost every master he has ever had gave him a piece of UI... He would focus more on his skills as a fighter and his instincts would be sharper so essentially he would be like tournament of power roshi. Significantly weaker but more skilled. He would also learn more abilities than cannon Goku as he revisits yardrat and learns spirit fusion clones and size change. Which would be insane with kioken.. imagine fighting like 30 clones of Goku all using kioken and one charges a spirit bomb... This version of Goku would excel in throwing spirit bombs better than cannon Goku because clones would be distracting and holding back his enemies with solar flares and kioken flurries he wouldn't be left wide open and could actually use it as a starter move... Goku would be WAY more op in his attack range but just a lot less potential in his base form... I imagine by return of f saga Goku would have a god ki aura but no form which would heal him like God does allowing him higher forms of kioken with less risk and I would also imagine his spirit would be significantly better than cannon Gokus because his Saiyan instincts don't exist and he would be a lot calmer as a person. So I'ma say 1000 clones with solar flares mafubas and spirit bombs with instincts akin to the hit saga Goku where he dodged Bulma on accident. Riiiight at the precipice of UI. And once he actually fights hit himself for the first time I feel like it would push him into UI where he finally gets a SIGNIFICANT strength boost... Now imagine 1000 UI Goku clones... Bros a MENACE

  • @logic-dy1su
    @logic-dy1su Před měsícem

    Just a heads up kaguya was running and was gonna build a army against momoshiki also in base naruto was causing tears in the universe as this along with wanting the 9 tails power was the reasoning for momoshiki kidnapping naruto

  • @Alassandros
    @Alassandros Před měsícem +3

    Naruto was still an Uzumaki with huge reserves of chakra, a perfect sage and a reincarnation of Ashura. He's still a major powerhouse with Kurama.

  • @thedoglovinggamer5825
    @thedoglovinggamer5825 Před měsícem

    1:36 Why would he lose his god ki? Non-Saiyan characters who are or once were mortals have it, why would he lose it? Also, even though he would lose the red haired ssjg form wouldn’t he still have the ssjg equivalent form that other races get like the one Toppo had in the manga?

  • @OldManInternet
    @OldManInternet Před měsícem

    I actually think the loss of zenkai boosts would drastically reduce his scaling between arcs. I think Krillin-esqe power would be what we'd be looking at, since they were comparable early in life. You could give Krillin a debuff because of giving up training and embracing family life, but I still think that's the ballpark. Then it would be a matter of his body surviving long enough to give him the time to figure out UI.

  • @Chckster
    @Chckster Před měsícem

    You forgot to add the Kaioken multiplier to Vegito, that’s 20 times.
    (Though, there’s an argument to say Vegito is stronger than Godkuh

  • @zombathinlostleghackercat5233
    @zombathinlostleghackercat5233 Před měsícem +1

    What if Goku was an animal like Oolang and Puar?

  • @nathanieljones8043
    @nathanieljones8043 Před měsícem

    Goku is goku miss me with that race realism

  • @RedrumZombies
    @RedrumZombies Před měsícem

    Why does Gojo get to keep Limitless as a whole tho? Or the 6 eyes? Should fully lose 1 of those. Not just 1 move...

  • @thatguy779
    @thatguy779 Před měsícem +2

    Okay but I need the fanfic now. Please, I wanna know how you would see the story going if Goku were a human/how many plot points could still happen but in a different way

    • @KristopherDorsey-rq8ek
      @KristopherDorsey-rq8ek Před měsícem

      One big plot point that goku could of avoided was the heart virus easily.

    • @thatguy779
      @thatguy779 Před měsícem

      @@KristopherDorsey-rq8ek hell yeah

    • @doohickeyhandy758
      @doohickeyhandy758 Před měsícem +2

      @@thatguy779 Well Goku might be somewhat closer to the other humans, and start inventing his OWN techniques too, possibly even learning magic down the line. He could still keep his love for battle but without the saiyan "honor", so he'd probably make more "smart" choices, like not letting his foes reach their full power, or using the dragon balls for more useful things like a bag of infinite senzu beans because his friends have LITERALLY been dying since childhood to strong opponents, he should of planned that sooner..

    • @a180combatbowsergamepro6
      @a180combatbowsergamepro6 Před 7 dny

      @@KristopherDorsey-rq8ek he would still get the heart virus

    • @a180combatbowsergamepro6
      @a180combatbowsergamepro6 Před 7 dny

      @@doohickeyhandy758 none of that happens, also everybody probably dies when piccolo is revived and if not then either A frieza eventually finds the planet and takes it over or B they live a normal earth life with goku capping out at EARLY Z like late saiyan saga at most maybe and maybe the androids being a thing and if this happens then its hard to say what way it would go but if goku wi ns and survives he just dies of the heart virus later in life and stays dead forever also none of them every meet anyways, actually MAYBE gohan ta kes him to meet roshi where krillin ends up eventually and bulma probably comes for gohans four star

  • @AdventVFX
    @AdventVFX Před měsícem

    Goku Tien and Piccolo would be the most insane trio and be on equal terms, they all train nonstop and have an unkillable drive for self improvement

  • @PeachieTreats
    @PeachieTreats Před měsícem

    If you take away his ki then he'd be dead since ki is basically a person's life force
    Whenever ki gets brought up I usually just say
    "Everyone technically has ki but just doesnt know how to use it"
    Now if we take away ki control then its not goku anymore, just a character with his face and name but completely different in personality and path

  • @afroartist7805
    @afroartist7805 Před měsícem

    The disregard of the abilities luffy would still have with haki is kinda insane lol
    I mean luffy in base is still massively faster than the speed of light and is still extremely powerful w/o his gears
    And with advanced forms of all his haki just makes him even stronger and more versatile
    Like having future sight
    And bypass durability entirely
    Not saying he would win just was kinda tossed away pretty quickly without much thought

  • @absolutleynotanalien8096
    @absolutleynotanalien8096 Před měsícem +1

    His weaker human body would not handle kaioken nearly as well

  • @krangeld6404
    @krangeld6404 Před měsícem

    Current Goku as a human blows up Earth with a sneeze
    Gojo simply loses a defensive option that it doesn't really affect his combat prowess
    Naruto loses an attack multiplier
    And Luffy gets fucking crippled

  • @michaelcaboose8685
    @michaelcaboose8685 Před měsícem

    If Goku had fought Freeza as a human he’d have transformed into a Super Human.
    Toriyama said it himself: Goku reached a level of strength that could only be expressed by a transformation.
    Regardless of species, Goku is transforming

  • @bluehedgehog627
    @bluehedgehog627 Před měsícem

    Gojo: *doesnt have infinity
    Naruto: *no kurama
    Goku: *Gets his cells and dna removed 😂

  • @Nsix4
    @Nsix4 Před měsícem

    I may have misheard, but did he say Luffy could be planetary?
    Either way, Luffy certainly is not planetary level. I believe biggest feat to date is an island being destroyed. and that was a weapon not even a person.

  • @fillintheblank9378
    @fillintheblank9378 Před 21 dnem

    would he also lose his zenkai boosts tho?
    EDIT: well, he almost definately would thinking about it longer... and considering all the zenkai boosts hes gotten over time he would be hella weaker, even like a million times weaker id say.

  • @mynamesjim
    @mynamesjim Před měsícem

    We need a Dragon Ball what if series

  • @Swayed2087
    @Swayed2087 Před měsícem

    I like how its to take powers of other characters while goku loses his race 💀.😂

  •  Před měsícem

    The transformations in dbz looks more like a flat buff than a multiplication tbh. The author doesn't know the implications of multiply. What I am trying to say, nothing would change to goku, he would just take longer to be on this level, he would also use de dragon balls like piccolo to skip things, he is a lot smarter than people give him credits for. Remember, krillin was base goku level in super, a goku that was strongger than ssj3 goku at the end of z. DB super pretty much nerfed the power of saiyans transformation.

  • @VhyaennCassell-fg7vh
    @VhyaennCassell-fg7vh Před měsícem

    Goku's bite will be his most powerful attack

  • @GuyWithZen459
    @GuyWithZen459 Před měsícem +2

    Replace Gojo with Ichigo
    Good Video tho

  • @NotSoGoodDark
    @NotSoGoodDark Před měsícem

    why do people forget that Goku is still a world class Martial Artist?

  • @truegamer2819
    @truegamer2819 Před 22 dny

    you dont seem to understand the UI Goku form, if Goku becomes a human and even dare to use this form, it'll tare him apart just like how it did before when he fought Jiren
    so Goku have to retrain his newer weaker body to with stand the Omi version first, in order to use that Angel form and that could still be a problem cause like Whis had said before, "NO NORMAL "MORTOL" CAN WIELD THIS FORM"

  • @christiancinnabars1402
    @christiancinnabars1402 Před měsícem

    Goku without any Saiyan abilities is pretty much Tien with Whis's training and Kaioken. And you _know_ with enough training, human Goku would absolutely push Kaioken to crazy high multipliers. Kaioken x1,000 would make the loss of his normal SSJ forms irrelevant. Yeah, that number sounds insane, but Kaioken x20 also sounded insane back when just Kaioken x4 had a 50% chance of turning Goku's liver and gallbladder into an origami crane.
    As for UI and God Ki, it is confirmed in the manga that UI and UI Omen as power-boosting forms are purely a Saiyan thing, and that UI proper is a techique that does not alter the user's appearance. And it is also shown that Goku and Vegeta can still utilize God Ki in base, just to a lesser extent than in SSJG/SSJB/UI. So Goku would focus on mastering the use of God Ki in his base form, which would mitigate most of the power drop between base and SSJG. So in the end, you still get God Ki amped Goku using UI infused Kaioken times big ahh number, making him barely any weaker than he is now.

  • @saberstorm3575
    @saberstorm3575 Před měsícem

    really interesting subject though

  • @pondfishrancher
    @pondfishrancher Před měsícem

    Really interesting premise, my only critique people are covering

  • @memestar2419
    @memestar2419 Před měsícem

    One thing you forgot is that ui isn’t a form its a state of being, the angels themselves are strong not because they have ui equipped but they have ui equipped because they are strong, Saiyans are just broken and turn everything into a transformation so its a form for them

  • @stupidw33b52
    @stupidw33b52 Před měsícem

    goku absorbed his god form into his base in the first arc of super. he still has his god ki

  • @tonysintheattic
    @tonysintheattic Před měsícem

    When you ask "what's Gojo gonna do against a teleporting Kame Ha Me Ha the answer should be teleporting, right? Gojo basically has Instant Transmission also.

  • @FrizzRizz
    @FrizzRizz Před 17 dny

    My view:Goku would still be able to use ki , so use ki blasts, kamehamea, and can also use kaioken, and is trained to whitstand the pressure It gives to his body. If he Needs It. Ultra istinct would be nerfed at least a bit i think, he also has far more experience. Let's remind , even tho he prob wouldn't, he can Just use senzu beans during the fight

  • @a180combatbowsergamepro6

    also if goku was BORN a human then this would probably be the case, everybody probably dies when piccolo is freed and if not then either A frieza eventually finds the planet and takes it over or B they live a normal earth life with goku capping out at EARLY Z like late saiyan saga at most maybe and maybe the androids being a thing and if this happens then its hard to say what way it would go but if goku wi ns and survives he just dies of the heart virus later in life and stays dead forever also none of them every meet anyways, actually MAYBE gohan takes him to meet roshi where krillin ends up eventually and bulma probably comes for gohans four star etc