So if you have a super saiyan multiplier to Ronnie Coleman or Arnold Schwarzenegger it would probably have them equal Goku or Piccolo in the Raditz fight?
That's tricky because they are legendary body builders but not really "fighters" yet they are still strong. You also have to factor in muscle mass because they are basically SSJ grade 3 in real life. It is fair to say that they would far surpass a normal man. Awesome question!!
@@QaamansLand Certainly, also would be interesting to give it to a real top-tier martial artist like Bruce Lee could he potentially actually beat start of DBZ Tien and Krillin with his skill?
Nah power levels are exponential till sayan saga farmer with shotgun is a 5 And master roshi destroyed the moon with a power level of 150 a 30x in power level jump having 50x in stats will make spider men not a Z warrior @@True2ChainzLilWayne
@@True2ChainzLilWayne fool. Master roshi in early dragon ball blew up the moon and Goku was dodging lightning to train near the end of dragon ball, granted krillin and tien aren’t as strong as Goku but by the start of z the Goku who nearly beat master roshi was on even footing with tien. If a human suddenly got a 50 times multiplier they still would lose to yamcha and if you used powerlevels to come up with your answer I gotta tell ya a 2x multiplier in dragon ball was not the same as a 2x multiplier in z. Many times in dragon ball did Goku get severals of times stronger from his training and yet his power level probably only went up by 5 or ten and if we did calculate it like in z he probably would of already been in the thousands maybe even tens of thousands
He could have simply identified him as "the farmer" after explaining who he is anyway. It isn't as though the viewer is going to think he's referring to any other farmer.
yeah he is fat while working hard physically every day he has a shit ton of muscle under there anyone not working out hard/having fighting experíence would loose so hard against that guy. farmer muscle hits different
Farmers irl are op. The devs forgot to remove the April fool's update in 1967 but the fanbase loved it so much they just kept in in the game throughout the entire Vietnam update and up until the most recent update
For comparison, Goku at the start of Dragonball is at power level 10, and he's already considered to be crazy powerful. Turtle is like one one thousandth of a power level in the Saiyan saga, so I'd assume that average power level is maybe about 1 to 3
I tried going ssj3 in a public area. I screamed “and this is to go even further beyond!!!!” It didn’t work but it clearly had an affect because the cops showed up.
@@rexxe001 well I'm the coolest Rigby pfp haver so you're journey ends here. You may ask of me two questions as well as one wish but only at 6th level priest power.
The most insane thing to me is that if youre fighting someone who is your equal, ANY advantage would be crazy. Getting suddenly TWICE stronger would mean immediately winning. Dude. Getting FIFTY times stronger is so fuckinf bizarre its kinda funny
@@MemesAndSkits like a human with a 2 times multiplier would still die to a shotgun to the face lol soo base kid Goku gota stay away reason wy we use guns they are whey stronger then we are and can do much more damage like all of war is based on things like that lol
@@QaamansLand love the video and concept but you dont really do a good job at all at explaining how strong they would be and how insane the super saiyan 3 would be for example power level of 5 with super saiyan 3 like you said being at 2k is crazy and 1 being at 400 is wild but what does 400 mean well that means that even if you could use even the most basic of ki attacks which you likely would be able to in this scenario, you could blow up the moon literally and this is with a powerlevel of 1 you'd be like a god with that powerlevel of 400 and speaking of god that doesnt consider the god forms which could allow you to blow the planet up but onto destroying the moon you should've done calcs to explain how crazy that is like a power level of 400 and destroying the moon would mean you could output around a zettaton joules of explosion or 4.184e+30 which is 1000 exatons of tnt which is 10 QUADRILLION tsar bombas the largest nuke ever detonated
I think real life examples are even more impressive. If you can bench press 100 kg (220 lbs), if you went SSJ, you could bench 5 tons. SSJ2, 10 tons. SSJ3, 40 tons... ?! 🤯
it's not how it works irl, let's take cars for example, doubling cars hp and torque doesn't speed up car (neither acceleration or max speed) by 2 it will brobably increase by 50%-70%, and the further we increase the hp and torque alongside with it the less speed boost is going to be, the same thing goes to muscular strength, if you suddenly magnify your muscle strength by 50 and you are capable of benching 100 kilos you are not going to be capable of benching 5tons, probably 2tons will be fine idk, I guess there is formula for that but I'm not that nerdy tbh
@@PaH368well considering super saiyan is basically just magical we can assume that it’ll give you a flat 50x boost to whatever you do unless you power down while you’re in the form
Funny thing in the game Dragon Ball Legends for April Fools Day the depleted an event where Raditz goes through a “Groundhog Day loop” dream of fighting said Framer. But with the twist the Framer power goes up to 50, then 500 then 1000 to then 50000.
I spent all day trying to beat 500,000 Farmer in that event. It took a lot of abusing-the-AI’s-behavior before I managed to beat it, I’m still bummed out there weren’t any secret rewards for that.
This is why, especially in Super, I find it to be insane when characters fight in base against characters that require them to power up to any SSJ form.
absolutely, one thing i find just fucked about supers multipliers is just how strong ultra instinct is compared to blue or everything else in the franchise, for reference the second most powerful thing at the point of the tournament of power was vegeto in blue, Which was goku TIMES vegeta TIMES at least 50! (assuming the difference between blue ad regular super Saiyan is just god ki and not a stronger multiplier in an of itself), vegetos bullshit imfathomable multiplier was alright in Z because we was never meant to be surpassed, but because of how super played out and how the powers work in super, he HAD to be surpassed, so ultra instinct is even stronger with a singular goku, if a multiplier of just 400x turned the fuckin farmer into a radiz oblitherator, and turned a 50 power level young goku into a namek saga vegeta level threat, then just imagine the effects of ultra instinct on a regular human! or even the same goku! it would destroy the entirety of Z, including the movies- the power gaps in super are that fucking huge!
@@robertoneill589 Yea I agree, Vegito would have the power level at least in the Quintillion, considering Vegeta and Goku at that point at bare minimum is around 1B power level. It's insane to think that Ultra Instinct can have that much of a multiplier
Think about how insane that would be for a strong human who could bench about 400 pounds. That’s 20,000 pounds like holy shit that guy could fight a blue whale and win
I think humans being able to use the Kaio Ken would be way more interesting. A short huge boost in strength in exchange for immense bodily stress and exhaustion. Imagine the implications in athletics, powerlifting, war, etc.
Somewhere King Kai explains why Goku was the first he ever taught it to. It takes an insanely exceptionally durable body to handle it long enough to do anything with it at all before destroying itself.
@@uncrunch398yeah but the humans during the training were stronger than goku during the saiyan saga or at least similar to his strength, so why couldn’t he teach them kaioken
@@imtotallyaperson I probably wondered the same. Probably all they got out of being there was gravity training and access to long distance comms. But I think this post is about normal humans who never even bothered with martial arts or even physical training.
Well they still get stronger with near death so in theory goku could just agree with vegeta to beat each other daily until they are at a level that can
Great points but I wish you added feats. For example, Roshi destroyed the moon (with a amp ki attack) with a power level of 139. If the humans average power level is 5, SSJ Chuck goes from being mauled to death by a simple Earth creature like a large dog to destroying planetoids like the moon.
Love how bro said he'd call the farmer Chuck, throughout the rest of the video. And then proceeded to call him farmer with the shotgun the whole vid. Like bro could have just said farmer. ☠☠
For more perspective You can also apply the super saiyan multiplier to horspower and vehicles. 150 hp is considered small nowadays for farm tractors, but if you apply 50x it's horsepower is on par with a train! Most push lawnmowers are around 4 hp. Multiply its power by 50 and you get a the horsepower of a Honda Accord 4 door Sedan (192hp). If the lawnmower went ssj2, its power would be close to that of an SS Camaro (~420hp).
That may be true but i can tell you a fun fact that i do know. I can throw a baseball at 70mph, or 31.29 m/s. If i wanted to throw a baseball all the way around the world, ignoring air resistance and assuming nothing got in the way, i would have to throw the ball at 7909.68 m/s. Which means i would need a multiplier of 253 in order to throw a baseball all the way around the world.
@@ashmitpahal That's BEFORE dbz, this only applied to original db as even a 2× increase for a normal human allows someone to fully lift cars anove their head and tank car crashes. If we assumed that it was exponential throughout the whole series, goku would already be going beyond multiversal in the namek saga 💀
@@demi-femme4821 I love that this weird conversation is happening, but i wasn't talking about dragonball. I was talking about real world physics and throwing a baseball. The first comment i understand, that person was trying tell me how to achieve the 253x modifier. The rest of these seem completely unrelated to my original comment though.
Goku was damaged by a bullet in Super. In theory, if we use the saiyan multipliers for the shotgun, it should be able to solo at least till the start of the tournament of power.
So in a way, if chuck had super sayain, he would technically be moon buster since roshi did that in one of the tournaments when Goku turned into a massive monkey. Now imagine super sayain 3... Man is about to do some minor damage to the world If he tried to blow the earth. However, in the lore, you need at least 10k in power to destroy a planet so... He could still do some damage. Crazy stuff💀
So I’ve been crunching the numbers and the calculated LOWBALL being as most pessimistic as possible for super saiyan god is 10… MILLION and for ssjb ssjbe and ssjbkk you know what to do, also, super saiyan four multiplier’s LOWBALL is 3.2… *BILLION*
Hey Qaaman, I’m a huge GT fan and have watched the heroes legacy movie many many times. I just wanted to let you know that Goku Jr. did have a high power level and had been training. Pan not only saw his true power a couple times while he was growing up but we see it in the movie too. His problem was his fear and timid nature holding him back, similar to a young gohan. If you go rewatch the movie, you’ll see what I mean
Got an interesting video idea for ya if you haven’t done this one before. Why are the Kai’s so weak. I’ve always wondered that and if ya do make a video about it. Could you talk about how powerful you would re-write them to be for their sagas or just in general
Pan had Beerus and whis as babysitters. i wouldnt be surprised if after the fight between Goku Junior and Vegeta Junior, Pan didnt introduce them to Uncle Beerus and Whis, and they started God Ki Training. Kek.
I’m so glad you made a video about this topic I feel like even wit goku and everyone else they get low balled against people like Superman granted i get Superman’s feats but bro to tell me that goku who’s base power level should be in the millions comfortably just multiplying 50 alone is insane let alone ssj 2 and 3 or even 4 or God of UI like shii get crazy not to mention blue with Kioken x20 like bro those number get stupid
Nah it should be way above the millions as cell was stated to be able to destroy the solar system which is way bigger than a planet like frieze was able to destroy.
It’s say goin ssb would be about either a 50,000 boost, or a 100,000x boost, so that farmer in ssb, would be able to destroy everyone from og dragon ball, to when vegeta gets defeated.
I wonder how powerlevels actually work. Is it measuring ki output only? Does it measure physical strength? Do armors and weapons factor into it (i.e. would the farmer's power level go down if he put the shotgun away)? Does it change if you have masterful techniques or tactical ingenuity? Because I'm thinking it probably only measures how much ki you have, which can mislead you since that's dependent on how much someone powers up or suppresses it.
This is why fleshing out your system is so important, not because of that baby goku but because an infinite scaling system shouldn't be having problems with calculations at such a base level.
"I'm not going to say 'the farmer with the shotgun' every time cuz that would drive one insane." Proceeds to call Chuck "the farmer with the shotgun" for the rest of the video. 😆🤣
Another reference. Say you can do bicep curls of 25 pounds per arm. If you went super saiyan 3, your curling poundage would go up to about eight THOUSAND pounds. With one arm
@@QaamansLand I think the changed title is more accurate, but that the first title was more interesting. Although, that title could be better used if you expanded on this topic, like if you included Super Saiyan God's bare minimum or something
@@QaamansLand love the video and concept but you dont really do a good job at all at explaining how strong they would be and how insane the super saiyan 3 would be for example power level of 5 with super saiyan 3 like you said being at 2k is crazy and 1 being at 400 is wild but what does 400 mean well that means that even if you could use even the most basic of ki attacks which you likely would be able to in this scenario, you could blow up the moon literally and this is with a powerlevel of 1 you'd be like a god with that powerlevel of 400 and speaking of god that doesnt consider the god forms which could allow you to blow the planet up but onto destroying the moon you should've done calcs to explain how crazy that is like a power level of 400 and destroying the moon would mean you could output around a zettaton joules of explosion or 4.184e+30 which is 1000 exatons of tnt which is 10 QUADRILLION tsar bombas the largest nuke ever detonated
@@a180combatbowsergamepro6 Hey, I’m not saying I agree or not, but wouldn’t this type of explanation be best sent as a comment of his own? Seems like you have a case of your own to make.
honestly the more I think about the power levels in dbz the more I think they were pressured in by the studio to make the show easier for new comers to pick up, I have no evidence of that but it would make sense
Roshi in his first fight with Goku blew up the whole moon. It was just gone. So if you had a pw of 5 and got a boost of 400, you'd be strong enough to blow up a small planet if you knew the right technique
I'm not watching the entire video until someone tells me if this is just a rehash of that 4chan thread where people powerscaled the farmer to every dragonball character.
power levels have always been weird to me with how a lot of people talk about them but given that an attack can have a higher power level than the person who was just powered up to max, i think power level is just how much energy is being released from a given individual at that moment the issue with it being characters using weighted clothing have a lower power level than usual when they would probably be exherting even more energy to be able to move around with them
I've always felt like it makes more sense if you have a logarithmic scale. So 0-100 is bigger than 100-200. Numbers go up but the increase is smaller. Which also helps explain why fights aren't instantly one sided even when "power level" is massively different.
I think it's also kind of crazy to realize the actual potency of the attacks here. A person with a power level of 5 could go from maybe breaking a brick in half to BLOWING UP THE MOON with just the first level of Super Saiyan.
If turtle could go super saiyan 3 considering he has a power level of 0.001 he would have a power level of 0.4 and would still lose to the farmer in base.
It is canon that humans eventually learn to become Super Saiyans according to Online, even if they needed to wish for it. According to Super, you can just feel a tingle instead.
My favorite part of dbz when the valiant front land warrior, Earth’s Last Defender-also known as Farmer with a Shotgun-used 1% of his power, and told Mr Radish straight up “I will not let you destroy my world” and shot that space monkey right back to planet vegetable.
The drain on the body that transformations do, dont really get mentioned all that much throughout the series. You have kaioken and NTB/ kikōhō that display blowback to the users bodies. Edit: I guess you can throw in ultra instinct with it's blow back after Goku was using it against jiren (did that shit happen in the manga? It's been forever lol?)
In the time Chuck has had off after handing the seed and feed business over to Sneed, it seems he's mastered ki control AND Super Saiyan. Chuck truly is the only person who has more potential than Gohan.
I believe I heard somewhere the only reason super saiyan 1 has a 50 times multiplier is because he was already using Kaioken x20 and it wasn't enough, so Toriyama had to make super saiyan make him even /more/ powerful, so basically made him 2.5 times what he was at, maybe 50 was a nice round number compared to 40? Or maybe he figured he needed to be a little more than twice as strong? Still though, it was already in canon by the time he realized the problems it'd cause with power scaling or how utterly ridiculous a 50 times multiplier is. I've thought about it and the best in-universe explanation from what I've seen is that somewhat like the hulk a saiyan's power varies based on how enraged they are, and it's more dramatic if they're normally calm and gentle. So for Vegeta who's usually some level of pissed it's not as much, but for more gentle saiyan's it's truly noteworthy. So it /wasn't/ just ssj that multiplied goku's power 50 times, it was also a rage boost from the utterly merciless way Frieza killed his best friend. We've almost /never/ seen Goku /that/ pissed before or since. We see the same thing a bit more explicitly when Gohan turns ssj2. He first powered up a /lot/ when 16 was killed from his controlled rage boost, and /then/ he went ssj2 almost immediately after that and like doubled it again at least in the anime, not sure about the manga. So effectively the first time somebody transforms from rage they probably get a larger boost than normal, but the boost somewhat decreases as they get more in control of themselves but they can use that power more effectively with their reasoning and skill intact.
It is dubious if Battle Powers scale linearly until the later hundreds given Piccolo with a few hundred was able to vaporize the Moon which cannot divide clearly into a regular human even hundreds of times weaker (would need to be thousands of times).
So if you have a super saiyan multiplier to Ronnie Coleman or Arnold Schwarzenegger it would probably have them equal Goku or Piccolo in the Raditz fight?
That's tricky because they are legendary body builders but not really "fighters" yet they are still strong.
You also have to factor in muscle mass because they are basically SSJ grade 3 in real life.
It is fair to say that they would far surpass a normal man.
Awesome question!!
@@QaamansLand
Certainly, also would be interesting to give it to a real top-tier martial artist like Bruce Lee could he potentially actually beat start of DBZ Tien and Krillin with his skill?
Nah power levels are exponential till sayan saga farmer with shotgun is a 5
And master roshi destroyed the moon with a power level of 150 a 30x in power level jump having 50x in stats will make spider men not a Z warrior @@True2ChainzLilWayne
@@True2ChainzLilWayne fool. Master roshi in early dragon ball blew up the moon and Goku was dodging lightning to train near the end of dragon ball, granted krillin and tien aren’t as strong as Goku but by the start of z the Goku who nearly beat master roshi was on even footing with tien. If a human suddenly got a 50 times multiplier they still would lose to yamcha and if you used powerlevels to come up with your answer I gotta tell ya a 2x multiplier in dragon ball was not the same as a 2x multiplier in z. Many times in dragon ball did Goku get severals of times stronger from his training and yet his power level probably only went up by 5 or ten and if we did calculate it like in z he probably would of already been in the thousands maybe even tens of thousands
@@atrckr-bf7deexactly, it’s still a crazy boost but not nearly as crazy as they think
names the Farmer "Chuck", still proceeds to call him "Farmer with a shotgun".
Exactly lol
was looking if someone had commented this!
Erm its actually
"The farmer with a shotgun with a power level of 5" 🤓
He could have simply identified him as "the farmer" after explaining who he is anyway. It isn't as though the viewer is going to think he's referring to any other farmer.
Former owner of Sneed's seed and feed?!
No bs I tried going SSJ again 2 years ago, and went into cardiac arrest..
WHAT
The androids are coming, you were our only hope, but heart virus got you B(
Bro didn't transform but he still got the heart virus 💀
Yeah I felt that one 😅 casually went in and out of one over a video game match.
@@danteshollowedgrounds bro that shit was terrifying, I felt like I got some years deducted😂
The farmer with a shotgun only lost because he knew the show must go on.
He sacrificed for whole dbz arc, true unsung hero
he took a dive
He knew it was a canon event.
Sneed
Everybody looking down on farmer with a shotgun but irl most of us would get bodied in a 1v1 with a farmer WITHOUT a shotgun.
yeah he is fat while working hard physically every day he has a shit ton of muscle under there anyone not working out hard/having fighting experíence would loose so hard against that guy. farmer muscle hits different
Farmers irl are op. The devs forgot to remove the April fool's update in 1967 but the fanbase loved it so much they just kept in in the game throughout the entire Vietnam update and up until the most recent update
A lot of us are probably 4 at best
@@nomad-music2435In your case, that refers to both fighting and looks
For comparison, Goku at the start of Dragonball is at power level 10, and he's already considered to be crazy powerful. Turtle is like one one thousandth of a power level in the Saiyan saga, so I'd assume that average power level is maybe about 1 to 3
I love how you said you'd call him Chuck for simplicity's sake, and yet almost 3 minutes in and you're still calling him, "the farmer with a shotgun".
How the brain works
@@QaamansLand Valid 😂
I tried going ssj3 in a public area. I screamed “and this is to go even further beyond!!!!” It didn’t work but it clearly had an affect because the cops showed up.
Just tell them you have a hemorrhoid and need help and keep going super
it worked, you just didn't know it. the cops showed up because your ki spiked so high, and it caught their attention with their scouters.
@@scarletrose3317 lol
@@scarletrose3317 Actually, most cops don't need scouters. They learn to sense ki in police academy.
@@mladen7641 Nah police have scanners built in. They are artifical humans produced by RR.
Its all fun and games until farmer with a shotgun chuck goes super saiyan 3 and defeats raditz by hitting him over the head with his tractor
Hmm saw someone with that same pfp art style and rigby different pose tho
@@rexxe001 well I'm the coolest Rigby pfp haver so you're journey ends here. You may ask of me two questions as well as one wish but only at 6th level priest power.
@@rexxe001fortnite
Now fight blonde vamp Dio and Chuck happens to have the powers Guldo has too.
The most insane thing to me is that if youre fighting someone who is your equal, ANY advantage would be crazy. Getting suddenly TWICE stronger would mean immediately winning.
Dude. Getting FIFTY times stronger is so fuckinf bizarre its kinda funny
Even 1.25x stronger would give you a clear upper hand tbh. 2x and you could get punched in the face with no reaction.
Imagine 50x...
@@MemesAndSkits lol
@@MemesAndSkits like a human with a 2 times multiplier would still die to a shotgun to the face lol soo base kid Goku gota stay away reason wy we use guns they are whey stronger then we are and can do much more damage like all of war is based on things like that lol
Saying “use the power of one,” sounds like a Captain Planet reference and makes me laugh.
You got it huh?
@@QaamansLand what does captain planet ss3 look like?
@@waldoman7 j
@@QaamansLand love the video and concept but you dont really do a good job at all at explaining how strong they would be and how insane the super saiyan 3 would be for example power level of 5 with super saiyan 3 like you said being at 2k is crazy and 1 being at 400 is wild but what does 400 mean well that means that even if you could use even the most basic of ki attacks which you likely would be able to in this scenario, you could blow up the moon literally and this is with a powerlevel of 1 you'd be like a god with that powerlevel of 400 and speaking of god that doesnt consider the god forms which could allow you to blow the planet up but onto destroying the moon you should've done calcs to explain how crazy that is like a power level of 400 and destroying the moon would mean you could output around a zettaton joules of explosion or 4.184e+30 which is 1000 exatons of tnt which is 10 QUADRILLION tsar bombas the largest nuke ever detonated
@@a180combatbowsergamepro6 nope
No one talks about how surprisingly high the farmers power level was...Goku at the beginning of dragon ball was at 10 and he lived in the mountains 💀
If you're 2x anyone's power level, you can take their attacks with no reaction. 10 to 5 is actually alot.
I see 5 power as a baseline for an average adult human man
Goku was a CHILD, and farming is hard work anyway
@@CrizzyEyes Goku was not a human child bruh
I thought 1 was about a human, 5 was a human with a weapon, and 10 was about the power of a bear
I think real life examples are even more impressive.
If you can bench press 100 kg (220 lbs), if you went SSJ, you could bench 5 tons. SSJ2, 10 tons. SSJ3, 40 tons... ?! 🤯
it's not how it works irl, let's take cars for example, doubling cars hp and torque doesn't speed up car (neither acceleration or max speed) by 2 it will brobably increase by 50%-70%, and the further we increase the hp and torque alongside with it the less speed boost is going to be, the same thing goes to muscular strength, if you suddenly magnify your muscle strength by 50 and you are capable of benching 100 kilos you are not going to be capable of benching 5tons, probably 2tons will be fine idk, I guess there is formula for that but I'm not that nerdy tbh
@@PaH368well considering super saiyan is basically just magical we can assume that it’ll give you a flat 50x boost to whatever you do unless you power down while you’re in the form
@@samirbelica2358 well if we consider super saiyan more magical thing than physical then 5 ton bench goes brrrrrrrrrrr
Ssj3 would be 20 not 40
Fun fact the famer at ssj could blow up the moon
Funny thing in the game Dragon Ball Legends for April Fools Day the depleted an event where Raditz goes through a “Groundhog Day loop” dream of fighting said Framer. But with the twist the Framer power goes up to 50, then 500 then 1000 to then 50000.
The last one was actually 500k, which is why Frieza was intrigued since his power level is 530k
I spent all day trying to beat 500,000 Farmer in that event. It took a lot of abusing-the-AI’s-behavior before I managed to beat it, I’m still bummed out there weren’t any secret rewards for that.
Says Chuck to not say farmer with a shotgun. Proceeds throughout the video to say farmer with a shotgun 🤣🤣
How the brain works huh? 🧠😂
😂😂😂😂
This is why, especially in Super, I find it to be insane when characters fight in base against characters that require them to power up to any SSJ form.
REAL that's basically fighting against 50 people
Not that insane. That's the only way to keep leveling yourself when you're that overpowered.
absolutely, one thing i find just fucked about supers multipliers is just how strong ultra instinct is compared to blue or everything else in the franchise, for reference the second most powerful thing at the point of the tournament of power was vegeto in blue, Which was goku TIMES vegeta TIMES at least 50! (assuming the difference between blue ad regular super Saiyan is just god ki and not a stronger multiplier in an of itself), vegetos bullshit imfathomable multiplier was alright in Z because we was never meant to be surpassed, but because of how super played out and how the powers work in super, he HAD to be surpassed, so ultra instinct is even stronger with a singular goku, if a multiplier of just 400x turned the fuckin farmer into a radiz oblitherator, and turned a 50 power level young goku into a namek saga vegeta level threat, then just imagine the effects of ultra instinct on a regular human! or even the same goku! it would destroy the entirety of Z, including the movies- the power gaps in super are that fucking huge!
@@robertoneill589 Yea I agree, Vegito would have the power level at least in the Quintillion, considering Vegeta and Goku at that point at bare minimum is around 1B power level. It's insane to think that Ultra Instinct can have that much of a multiplier
@@HieuLe-fi2rior just power levels are a broken mechanic that shouldn't be considered beyond the namek saga.
Think about how insane that would be for a strong human who could bench about 400 pounds. That’s 20,000 pounds like holy shit that guy could fight a blue whale and win
A normal human with super saiyan could fight a blue whale and win.
how would a blue whale fight
I think humans being able to use the Kaio Ken would be way more interesting.
A short huge boost in strength in exchange for immense bodily stress and exhaustion. Imagine the implications in athletics, powerlifting, war, etc.
Somewhere King Kai explains why Goku was the first he ever taught it to. It takes an insanely exceptionally durable body to handle it long enough to do anything with it at all before destroying itself.
@@uncrunch398yeah but the humans during the training were stronger than goku during the saiyan saga or at least similar to his strength, so why couldn’t he teach them kaioken
@@imtotallyaperson I probably wondered the same. Probably all they got out of being there was gravity training and access to long distance comms. But I think this post is about normal humans who never even bothered with martial arts or even physical training.
Steroids
Why? Most people can't handle
Without transformation they would of lost to Frieza and never beat anyone after him
Transformations*
They would still be stuck in pilaf tower
Well they still get stronger with near death so in theory goku could just agree with vegeta to beat each other daily until they are at a level that can
@@Jaiden_Anime_Shuns not really not Untill gt or Super do their base forms gets outrageously strong
Wow really? 😐
Great points but I wish you added feats. For example, Roshi destroyed the moon (with a amp ki attack) with a power level of 139. If the humans average power level is 5, SSJ Chuck goes from being mauled to death by a simple Earth creature like a large dog to destroying planetoids like the moon.
Love how bro said he'd call the farmer Chuck, throughout the rest of the video. And then proceeded to call him farmer with the shotgun the whole vid. Like bro could have just said farmer. ☠☠
See how the brain works?
"A power level of 5? You are quite the sneedster."
For more perspective You can also apply the super saiyan multiplier to horspower and vehicles. 150 hp is considered small nowadays for farm tractors, but if you apply 50x it's horsepower is on par with a train! Most push lawnmowers are around 4 hp. Multiply its power by 50 and you get a the horsepower of a Honda Accord 4 door Sedan (192hp). If the lawnmower went ssj2, its power would be close to that of an SS Camaro (~420hp).
I love when there's a rational take on db like this, it's quite refreshing ☺
That may be true but i can tell you a fun fact that i do know. I can throw a baseball at 70mph, or 31.29 m/s. If i wanted to throw a baseball all the way around the world, ignoring air resistance and assuming nothing got in the way, i would have to throw the ball at 7909.68 m/s. Which means i would need a multiplier of 253 in order to throw a baseball all the way around the world.
So SSJ2 and stack that with the Kaio-Ken.
No man it would be far higher. Power doesn't increase linearly with power level it's exponential
@@ashmitpahal That's BEFORE dbz, this only applied to original db as even a 2× increase for a normal human allows someone to fully lift cars anove their head and tank car crashes. If we assumed that it was exponential throughout the whole series, goku would already be going beyond multiversal in the namek saga 💀
Yeah but Roshi blew up the moon so I don't think power levels work quite that way.
@@demi-femme4821 I love that this weird conversation is happening, but i wasn't talking about dragonball. I was talking about real world physics and throwing a baseball. The first comment i understand, that person was trying tell me how to achieve the 253x modifier. The rest of these seem completely unrelated to my original comment though.
If you can curl 25kg…
SSJ - 1250kg
SSJ2 - 2500kg
SSJ3 - 10,000kg
Goku was damaged by a bullet in Super. In theory, if we use the saiyan multipliers for the shotgun, it should be able to solo at least till the start of the tournament of power.
thats because he didnt have his guard when sorbet shot him his ki defenses were down.
@@RIPTHEGOATOFANIME and bulma sprayed him with an uzi as a kid off guard and tanked it all
@@boltskyline2957 goku also tanked the bullet in super, but just got a scratch. Kid goku also got a scratch.
@@boltskyline2957 Not when Lunch did it and they showed bullet holes in everyone, including Roshi.
@@Bros_thatlol so super goku has been rusty so much to the point he's comparable to his kid self?
So in a way, if chuck had super sayain, he would technically be moon buster since roshi did that in one of the tournaments when Goku turned into a massive monkey. Now imagine super sayain 3... Man is about to do some minor damage to the world If he tried to blow the earth. However, in the lore, you need at least 10k in power to destroy a planet so... He could still do some damage. Crazy stuff💀
And yet, Mr. Popo was able to hold SSJ Goten and Trunks. Imagine how strong Mr. Popo would be with a SSJ multiplier!
Mr. Popo far surpases meager transformations.
It's crazy that if a random person could use these multipliers, and had a beam attack, they could singlehandedly destroy the moon
We all know Farmer with a shotgun is a saiyan. He just cut off his tail to hide from Frieza's men.
Lol
0:01 That is the true strongest right there
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@@LeoLau-ip9bv Thank you 😁
Yeah, power scaling in general can hurt your brain cells
So I’ve been crunching the numbers and the calculated LOWBALL being as most pessimistic as possible for super saiyan god is 10… MILLION and for ssjb ssjbe and ssjbkk you know what to do, also, super saiyan four multiplier’s LOWBALL is 3.2… *BILLION*
Very nice video. Commenting to boost your reach plz keep it up ❤😊
Lol with in 1 min in the video chuck reverted to Farmer with a shotgun
See how the brain works? 🧠😂
And yet, a hypothetical SSJ3 Turtle would still have a power level of 0.4. 🥲
Hey Qaaman, I’m a huge GT fan and have watched the heroes legacy movie many many times. I just wanted to let you know that Goku Jr. did have a high power level and had been training. Pan not only saw his true power a couple times while he was growing up but we see it in the movie too. His problem was his fear and timid nature holding him back, similar to a young gohan. If you go rewatch the movie, you’ll see what I mean
SSJ3 Turles would be Perfect Cell lvl at best 😂
@@OmnipotentSaiyan found the dragonball fan, dude said turtle as in kame house turtle. 😅
@@OmnipotentSaiyan please man. Read it again
@@Aziz.500he’s a dragon ball fan and a nba young boy fan . He can’t read
Future Trunks had a Power level of 5 lol
GREAT QAAMAN SAIYAN POWER LEVEL VIDEO.
Brainiac & darkseid would still solo dragon ball
@@yarc9 darkseid maybe but not brainiac
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD brainiac his whole thing is knowledge
@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD knowledge is power
Chuck The Dump Truck
Dummy dump truck Chuck
Watching this after a long day..scratch that, a long week. Thank you, Qaaman
Tbh the multiplier may be much higher than we realize. Goku was heavily fatigued when he transformed against frieza. Imagine if he was fresh
Did you see my video on that? Love to see your feedback
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Great video man
Got an interesting video idea for ya if you haven’t done this one before. Why are the Kai’s so weak. I’ve always wondered that and if ya do make a video about it. Could you talk about how powerful you would re-write them to be for their sagas or just in general
Pan had Beerus and whis as babysitters. i wouldnt be surprised if after the fight between Goku Junior and Vegeta Junior, Pan didnt introduce them to Uncle Beerus and Whis, and they started God Ki Training. Kek.
Another cool video from one of my favorite CZcamsrs 😃 qaaman
Farmer chuck finally protects his Marijuana patch.
Qaaman, it's good to see you
I love the background stuff. My favorite dbz Bruce theme
Bro using Dragonball Gt Final bout music :D. PS1 GOLD
I’m so glad you made a video about this topic I feel like even wit goku and everyone else they get low balled against people like Superman granted i get Superman’s feats but bro to tell me that goku who’s base power level should be in the millions comfortably just multiplying 50 alone is insane let alone ssj 2 and 3 or even 4 or God of UI like shii get crazy not to mention blue with Kioken x20 like bro those number get stupid
Nah it should be way above the millions as cell was stated to be able to destroy the solar system which is way bigger than a planet like frieze was able to destroy.
@@wolfhead-hx2mn excatly
@@wolfhead-hx2mn turning ssj3 with a powerlevel of **one** would make you small planet level and 5 is the average persons powerlevel so yeah
you have no clue what Qaaman here today can do! 🤩
It’s say goin ssb would be about either a 50,000 boost, or a 100,000x boost, so that farmer in ssb, would be able to destroy everyone from og dragon ball, to when vegeta gets defeated.
Although super saiyan makes you crazy strong it’s even crazier to think that anyone but namek Goku would lose to Frieza still.
I wonder how powerlevels actually work. Is it measuring ki output only? Does it measure physical strength? Do armors and weapons factor into it (i.e. would the farmer's power level go down if he put the shotgun away)? Does it change if you have masterful techniques or tactical ingenuity?
Because I'm thinking it probably only measures how much ki you have, which can mislead you since that's dependent on how much someone powers up or suppresses it.
"the power of half" kinda goes hard, like watch out man if he gets his other half he's gonna have The Power Of One
i love the beauty of power scaling and multiplication
This is why fleshing out your system is so important, not because of that baby goku but because an infinite scaling system shouldn't be having problems with calculations at such a base level.
"I'm not going to say 'the farmer with the shotgun' every time cuz that would drive one insane."
Proceeds to call Chuck "the farmer with the shotgun" for the rest of the video. 😆🤣
Another reference. Say you can do bicep curls of 25 pounds per arm. If you went super saiyan 3, your curling poundage would go up to about eight THOUSAND pounds. With one arm
Bruh I saw the original title on my notif bell at work and showed up to this
Which do you think is better?
@@QaamansLand I think the changed title is more accurate, but that the first title was more interesting. Although, that title could be better used if you expanded on this topic, like if you included Super Saiyan God's bare minimum or something
@@_WiZ420 he also didnt do good job at explaining it more and helping people who dont know grasp it thats why i did it myself
@@QaamansLand love the video and concept but you dont really do a good job at all at explaining how strong they would be and how insane the super saiyan 3 would be for example power level of 5 with super saiyan 3 like you said being at 2k is crazy and 1 being at 400 is wild but what does 400 mean well that means that even if you could use even the most basic of ki attacks which you likely would be able to in this scenario, you could blow up the moon literally and this is with a powerlevel of 1 you'd be like a god with that powerlevel of 400 and speaking of god that doesnt consider the god forms which could allow you to blow the planet up but onto destroying the moon you should've done calcs to explain how crazy that is like a power level of 400 and destroying the moon would mean you could output around a zettaton joules of explosion or 4.184e+30 which is 1000 exatons of tnt which is 10 QUADRILLION tsar bombas the largest nuke ever detonated
@@a180combatbowsergamepro6 Hey, I’m not saying I agree or not, but wouldn’t this type of explanation be best sent as a comment of his own? Seems like you have a case of your own to make.
honestly the more I think about the power levels in dbz the more I think they were pressured in by the studio to make the show easier for new comers to pick up, I have no evidence of that but it would make sense
Roshi in his first fight with Goku blew up the whole moon. It was just gone. So if you had a pw of 5 and got a boost of 400, you'd be strong enough to blow up a small planet if you knew the right technique
not to mention ssj blue multiplier is insane and on top of that he used kaioken x20 which is just straight bonkers🤯
"I'm not going to call him a farmer with a shotgun over and over"
Continues calling him farmer with a shotgun
I'm not watching the entire video until someone tells me if this is just a rehash of that 4chan thread where people powerscaled the farmer to every dragonball character.
Well based on how scanners work, it wasn't likely that Tien was doing his max output at the time, so Tien was likely above 250 when actually fighting.
I said that... I said he can raise it during the battle but it's still incredible
power levels have always been weird to me with how a lot of people talk about them
but given that an attack can have a higher power level than the person who was just powered up to max, i think power level is just how much energy is being released from a given individual at that moment
the issue with it being characters using weighted clothing have a lower power level than usual when they would probably be exherting even more energy to be able to move around with them
A Super Sayan Multiplier is so ridiculous it could make Mr Satan competent
Thanks, H Jon Benjamin. :3
He says his name is Chuck but keeps calling him the farmer with the shotgun.
Could you do a video explaining the ssj1 multiplier being 50x while taking into account grade 2 and 3 and 4?
I've always felt like it makes more sense if you have a logarithmic scale. So 0-100 is bigger than 100-200. Numbers go up but the increase is smaller. Which also helps explain why fights aren't instantly one sided even when "power level" is massively different.
yup, but it should be linear after the thousands due to kaioken multipliers directly correlating
I've always known him as, and probably still will call him farmer with a shotgun... but it's a rifle!
I think it's also kind of crazy to realize the actual potency of the attacks here. A person with a power level of 5 could go from maybe breaking a brick in half to BLOWING UP THE MOON with just the first level of Super Saiyan.
You renamed the farmer with a shotgon to Chuck then promptly forgot for the rest of the video. 👍
How the brain works?
Hm.... i wonder if Farmer with a shotgun would turn into doomguy, also i keep laughing more and more ever time i hear Farmer with a shotgun 🤣.
After unlocking super Saiyan blue, and powering up a kaioken x10, I can officially say my power level has hit the double digits
If turtle could go super saiyan 3 considering he has a power level of 0.001 he would have a power level of 0.4 and would still lose to the farmer in base.
Interesting
How do you explain master roshi keeping up with everyone in top?
Kwahhh man will you ever cover other anime? I think you should do a video on witch anime verses the farmer could take on
I would love to but you guys haven't given me permission
It is canon that humans eventually learn to become Super Saiyans according to Online, even if they needed to wish for it. According to Super, you can just feel a tingle instead.
My favorite part of dbz when the valiant front land warrior, Earth’s Last Defender-also known as Farmer with a Shotgun-used 1% of his power, and told Mr Radish straight up “I will not let you destroy my world” and shot that space monkey right back to planet vegetable.
"Protect me gun"
"Bad human"
The drain on the body that transformations do, dont really get mentioned all that much throughout the series. You have kaioken and NTB/ kikōhō that display blowback to the users bodies.
Edit: I guess you can throw in ultra instinct with it's blow back after Goku was using it against jiren (did that shit happen in the manga? It's been forever lol?)
NTB?
@@QaamansLand neo tri beam, didn't wanna type out the Japanese name lol
Pls make a pt 2 using newer transformations
In the time Chuck has had off after handing the seed and feed business over to Sneed, it seems he's mastered ki control AND Super Saiyan. Chuck truly is the only person who has more potential than Gohan.
The power of one, the power of two, the power of manyyyyy!
Kid goku at the beginning of DB had a canonical power level of 10.
I believe I heard somewhere the only reason super saiyan 1 has a 50 times multiplier is because he was already using Kaioken x20 and it wasn't enough, so Toriyama had to make super saiyan make him even /more/ powerful, so basically made him 2.5 times what he was at, maybe 50 was a nice round number compared to 40? Or maybe he figured he needed to be a little more than twice as strong? Still though, it was already in canon by the time he realized the problems it'd cause with power scaling or how utterly ridiculous a 50 times multiplier is.
I've thought about it and the best in-universe explanation from what I've seen is that somewhat like the hulk a saiyan's power varies based on how enraged they are, and it's more dramatic if they're normally calm and gentle. So for Vegeta who's usually some level of pissed it's not as much, but for more gentle saiyan's it's truly noteworthy. So it /wasn't/ just ssj that multiplied goku's power 50 times, it was also a rage boost from the utterly merciless way Frieza killed his best friend. We've almost /never/ seen Goku /that/ pissed before or since. We see the same thing a bit more explicitly when Gohan turns ssj2. He first powered up a /lot/ when 16 was killed from his controlled rage boost, and /then/ he went ssj2 almost immediately after that and like doubled it again at least in the anime, not sure about the manga. So effectively the first time somebody transforms from rage they probably get a larger boost than normal, but the boost somewhat decreases as they get more in control of themselves but they can use that power more effectively with their reasoning and skill intact.
"Man he looks like a chuck kinda guy" Calls him chuck "WHATTTTTTTTTT"
We need to quantify that SSB multiplier.
Brodin even mentioned super Saiyan God and super Saiyan blue but I did the numbers on that and they get pretty damn insane.
Farmer with shotgun was merely suppressing his power level so he didn't embarrass Raditz.
Could be the fact that mentally he wasn't much of a fighter that made him weaker
wait to see his adrenaline kicks up
I think a super sayian on a normal human will make you around Mr Satan level
I would just call him the farmer that’s it
Worth noting that using the forms requires a lot of training anyways
If it makes Chuck that strong imagine how powerful it would make Sneed.
It is dubious if Battle Powers scale linearly until the later hundreds given Piccolo with a few hundred was able to vaporize the Moon which cannot divide clearly into a regular human even hundreds of times weaker (would need to be thousands of times).