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- In this video, we're going over the defamation case of Billy Mitchell v. Twin Galaxies, and particularly, some new information that was made public (as featured in a recent Karl Jobst video) that suggests a major flaw in Mitchell's case. What do you think? Is this new evidence as damaging as it appears? Let us know in the comments below!
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Billy Mitchell is a renowned video game player, specifically for his high scores in the arcade game versions of PacMan and Donkey Kong. But a few years ago, Twin Galaxies, the chief company that oversees world records in gaming, unverified his scores after a report was filed with them arguing that his scores were achieved with modified hardware--which is against the rules. Billy Mitchell sued Twin Galaxies for defamation after they concluded that they believed that he had, in fact, achieved those scores with modified hardware.
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In this video, we're going over the defamation case of Billy Mitchell v. Twin Galaxies, and particularly, some new information that was made public (as featured in a recent Karl Jobst video) that suggests a major flaw in Mitchell's case. What do you think? Is this new evidence as damaging as it appears? Let us know in the comments below!
Considering the fact that he has three witnesses who had sworn that the machine was original not only is the case dead but I think those three witnesses may have some questions to answer by the court.
It is quite likely that Mitchell has some mental problems that have been left untreated all his life. I'm just a nobody and had about two years long feud with him over online comments... He kept returning back to it time and time again, often months passed between replies. The only reason it ended was because i lost that social media account at some point.
I think more publicity is not good ... for him ... in his case. Because he is the poster child of a snake oil salesman:)
While this is no evidence, the public perception gives a s. about evidence anyway.
Okay those "feelings" do not matter because the documented and non original joystick tells everything. And while others think different, this is sports. Sport is based on rules (otherwise we would be in the Colosseum in ancient Rome) and following them. Anyone who cheats there, cheats their fellow campaigners and also the public and definitely deserves a lifelong ban. It's not the death penalty, it's a wave of the fence post! Oh and well earned in his case, boasting and making a living of his lies.
@pueblonative: You should take a look into WHO these eye-witnesses were. Some are very sketchy, including high-school friends and his own lawyer with a very questionable reputation. Watch Karl's video.
Thanks for the video, the detailed explanation and your view on the matter, Mrs. Bytes:)
@@pueblonative all three of those people are known frauds. One of them has his own history of lost lawsuits and another is that guy's girlfriend at the time.
Just to be fair you should clarify that the Twin Galaxies rule about original hardware you are referring to was set in 2009 and the game in question was played by Billy Mitchell in July 2007.
Just a little detail; NAMCO did *_not_* award Mitchell the _"Video Gamer of the Century"_ title, that award was made up by Walter Day and Billy Mitchell. (Karl covers this in at least one of his videos about Mitchell) 😊
You can see on it that it's signed by Day. That Namco photo shoot is NOTHING to do with vgotc at all.
The entire event was done at Billly’s behest but the title he gave himself and was separate from the event. (As I understand it)
Thank you for this! I got the bulk of this information from a court order, so it appears that’s an inaccuracy fed through court filings.
Another very important topic is that Steve never beat Billys 1982 arcade record and Billy was NOT the WR holder on the title when Steve entered the competition, a player named Tim Sczerby was.
@@LegalBytesMedia Not sure if you seen the video “Maris Memes” made on CZcams but he showed evidence of it possibly the photo either being a deep fake or it being a 4 way joystick as apparently Nintendo replaced a lot of the black joysticks with red joysticks.
I'm a developer and I have experience with MAME. Mitchell's gameplay video proves he used MAME because it reflects a bug in specific versions of MAME that do not exist in real hardware, nor in MAME versions outside of specific buggy versions. And that's even before you consider the effect of the wrong joystick.
Oddly, MAME has the ability to make the wrong joystick behave as if it were the right one. Billy could argue that it didn't matter if he had the wrong kind of joystick by having MAME "fix" that for him. But he'd have to admit he cheated to argue he didn't cheat. 🤣
Wow, yikes. That’s crazy
@@mariecarie1 he insisted his friends be allowed to investigate whether he cheated or not. They were allowed. They found he cheated. 🤣
Out of curiosity, what bug is that?
@@auramaster8763 I believe "finger girder bug", is this it?
@@auramaster8763 you've gotta play the video frame by frame to see it. The girders get drawn partially on a frame when created. The real hardware doesn't do it.
As a non-lawyer, I have to wonder:
How common is it for strong evidence against someone to emerge in the form of a photograph of them standing in front of evidence giving a big cheesy thumbs up like this?
I assume it has to be just so viscerally satisfying to be able to present something like that.
as someone who has been moderating video game leaderboards and following this case closely for years, it's hard to explain how satisfying this is. as a competitive gamer you spend thousands of hours to practice and have the ability to compete on the same level as others in the community. then every so often you get that one asshole that tries to steal what everyone else has spent years to achieve.
In this age of social media, defendants posting a photo or video of themselves gleefully comitting a crime has become more common than you’d expect. Don’t know how often a thumbs up is involved, but it has the same spirit.
The best part is billy team found this evidence for them
@@jud6ment Karma at its finest.
@@ErzengelDesLichtes Reminds me of an identity theft case a friend was working on involving a person who claimed to be out of town. Here's an idea; if you fill out a police report claiming someone stole your ATM card to purchase concert tickets, maybe don't set your profile pic to one of you meeting the band backstage.
He should get help from Todd Rogers to speedrun this lawsuit in 5.51 seconds.
Well Todd helped him get the Mortgage Brokers' Convention "high score", so I mean.
Sadly Rodd Togers was unavailable
I'm not exactly sure how Tod Todgers can help him in that particular case, after all the clutch has already been engaged.
You win, I don't need to read anymore comments.
Karl Jobst reminds us all that we are absolute legends. Bill Mitchell reminds us that we could all get sued at any time for any reason. Steve Weibe was the first million point player of Donkey Kong, Billy, let it go.
Oh no! Now you are going to get sued as well. :D
That man is a joke.
I believe there’s was already a man that reached 1 million before Steve, but they didn’t mention that in the movie since…it’s a movie! Made for entertainment.
@@trainerred6582 I wasn't going off the movie when I mentioned that. I was going off the current listing for that record. Steve is listed as the first.
thanks for reminding us, legend!
Don't forget Rodd Todgers!
It's good to see a lawyer's opinion of the evidence presented in Karl's video. Thanks, you absolute legend!
I see what you did there! Lol
LEGEND!!
The tall red joystick seen in the picture is of a type commonly seen in fighting games. Which had faster and more responsive 8 way sticks. They were also sprung differently and would have a much better feel for a competitive game player. It was a generation or two beyond the very crude sticks used in original donkey Kong and Pac-Man games. It also backs up the Twin Galaxies conclusion that the score was achieved on an emulator cabinet.
Who even knows what was or wasn't achieved because the witnesses are Billy's cronies. MAME can be used for TAS, it has some relevant features and is easy to modify to include more. It happens that cheaters mime gameplay in public to a pre-recorded video. Where there's one lie, another usually isn't far behind.
Player's left/right inputs determine barrels' paths.
Jobst mentioned that the eight-way stick allows one to climb a ladder and steer barrels simultaneously.
@@jasoncall3731 MAME has an input filter which would remove ambiguous inputs like this. However switching is faster because you can do quarter-circle moves on an 8-way stick, while the gate of the 4-way stick forces you to take the long way around very nearly through the neutral position, like a gear shift in a car.
@@SianaGearz "while the gate of the 4-way stick forces you to take the long way around very nearly through the neutral position, like a gear shift in a car."
This is not entirely accurate. There are two types of 4-way gates - cross and diamond. A cross gate acts as you say, but a diamond game allows you to go directly around each direction, but prevents two switches from being activated at the same time. (many diamond gate designs can also be adjusted into square 8-way gates)
I don't know which type of 4-way gate original DK hardware uses, but I think it's worth keeping this information straight given that there is, you know, a few lawsuits hinging on these matters, and they're being pursued by someone who looks bound and determined to become a vexatious litigant.
@@FormulaFox Nintendo part TKG-23-51.
I've actually been thinking for a little about designing a configurable gate for MAME, where you'd have an element you can just twist into place to change its configuration, so that it can be done programmatically with a servo. But i'm unfortunately WAY too dumb for that and also i put arcade projects on the backburner for a few years, priorities.
I just want to say that emulation itself isn’t banned by twin galaxies.
They are just a separate leaderboard.
The problem arises when Billy submitted his scores to the official hardware leaderboard. And they were without a doubt NOT played on official hardware.
You're almost correct. It's not because he submitted it, it's because he continues to claim it to be legit. You can submit a fake run without much consequence except public ridicule. When you are proven to have cheated and then begin suing the people calling you a cheat, that's the problem. At the time this record was done it may have been legit hardware, but it was definitely not a legit joystick. Billy has continued to maintain that it is legit and is fighting to prove it's real because he didn't know all this evidence existed proving it wasn't real. Watch his deposition video, when he first learns that a picture of the arcade cabinet exists you can see him start physically sweating. He dug himself into a hole and his son assisted him. With all of these frivolous lawsuits he'd be lucky to escape jail time let alone a large settlement payment. His son could easily be brought into this and charged with fraud since he created the plaque that Billy submitted into evidence. That's knowingly submitting false evidence and that is a felony. This isn't even about money anymore, he's putting his and his son's freedom on the line because he can't bear the thought of admitting he cheated. He's just that sad of a human being.
Imagine the schadenfreude of TG making the "Emulated with an 8-way stick" category and letting Billy Mitchell know that they recorded him in that category instead, hahaha.
You can submit a run for "DOOM on the Gameboy Any% played on an electric keyboard while in a shark cage" and it is totally legit as long as the run is exactly 100% as you described it and you truthfully answered when the moderators asked you what species of shark it was.
As long as you're entirely transparent about what hardware you used, it's all good.
To further elaborate, it's also not that he submitted to the leaderboard that he shouldn't have, but it's also that the standards of proof are different. Billy Mitchell, for each of his scores, has videos and alleged witnesses (which we now have reason to doubt). These are suffice for original arcade scores, but not for MAME.
In MAME, a person could theoretically use savestates, keep reloading from those savestates until they get a perfect score, replay from MAME the inputs and video of the one coherent run to make it look like everything was done perfectly in one go, and submit that. This is likely what Billy did, and people have been aware of this strategy for as long as MAME has existed. The workaround is that MAME has an uneditable log file that goes along with every session of play, which shows every input made by the player (including savestates).
Runs done on MAME require that this log file be submitted, which Billy did not do, meaning that even if he had been honest from the beginning and said that he played on MAME his runs would still not be valid unless he was to also provide that MAME log file. Hope this makes sense and adds to your point!
Someone like Billy could never comprehend just how deep the knowledge modern player have of their favorite games. One pixel wrong is obvious to top players.
Also, Karl is such a great story teller. I also had no idea what I was looking at but the “What. Is. That.” made me know it was serious.
In his video, there's about 30 seconds of dramatic swelling music and slow zoom towards the joystick before he points it out. He's a good oratir
If Billy tried to argue that it isn't his fault, what is he supposed to due, check the system himself? I would argue he has a similar knowledge of DK arcades. Something as simple as a joystick should be obvious to someone that has played the game so much that they are able to get a world record. Who would be a better expert than a world record competitor? He would know every trick posable, including 8 way stick hacks.
@@atrane365 Did you mean, orator? That's what Google corrected the word to when I tried to search for the definition.
@@atrane365 My favourite was yes and no column for his friend.
Milly Bitchel is from the pre internet era where lies couldn’t easily be refuted.
I’m so glad others are covering this. I’ve watched the saga from Karl’s perspective for a few years now.
It's all new to me, I had to give up on Murdoch so here I am.
czcams.com/video/cjoU5d5YX4U/video.html
I hope he wins. I can't believe this case is still going on. His videos on Billy before the lawsuit is how I found him years ago and I stayed due to a mild interest in speedrunning.
I love that he wrote he had all those sworn affidavits saying they witnessed it on "arcade software" not arcade hardware. Interesting wording.
Almost all multi cabs use MAME running on a ARM chip. Some custom cabs use x86. But the 56 in one uses a arm chip.
@@delresearch5416 ok
Ya I noticed that too and thought it was some clever wording he was trying to slip by on those who are uneducated on the topic. Most people wouldn’t even realize that there’s a difference there at all, let alone be able to explain what that difference is. It’s some sneaky word play where he can say one thing while making it sound like he’s saying something else.
He's only submitted two. I believe one is from Todd Rodgers and the other is Rogers' girlfriend.
Besides, out of those "hundreds" of witnesses, how many of them would know it was on original hardware down to the PCBs? Did they get to look at the circuit boards?
@@Subangelis karl states he submitted 5 witnesses in his video. 1 was his buddy that committed a bunch of fraud, 2 were todd and his gf and the other 2 karl said they didnt matter because they dont play dk. Im sure none of the witnesses know for a fact wether its got mame or original hardware inside. They probably never opened the cabinet there
I love that you left in the "Oh. My. God. What. Is. That." part, I bust out laughing every time I hear it 😂
Billy has been using the legal system as a weapon for years now to silence anyone who has called him out on his misdeeds. He did this exact same thing to ApolloLegend and forced a settlement out of him by using pressure and threat of a full-blown lawsuit. He absolutely needs to be stopped; he is at a point where he is ruining lives.
The leaked message where he expressed happiness at Apollo's death still chills my blood.
How can someone who knows is in the wrong take pleasure in the death of someone whose only fault was seeing through his bullshit and not feel the slightest remorse, I'll never know.
The gaming community does not mess around with speedruns and records. They are thorough and relentless, if there is evidence of any form of cheating, they will prepare papers and investigations in regards to the problem.
I wish that was the case. There have been too many examples of the "community" for a particular group stating how much they detest cheaters, but when it is one of their own doing the cheating, all the excuses start.
@@OfflineSetup stans do what stans do, but the individuals get called out regardless. I imagine you are talking about dream, which is a great case, because even though his fans defended him, he was forced to accept the allegations and admit the truth.
@@OfflineSetup and they're almost ALWAYS shunned by the community at large. Speedrunners absolutely will make sure the truth behind runs is available. Cheaters in speedrunning might THINK they've gotten away with it, but when people are trying to be the best, they're going to study the best. If the best is cheating, it'll be found eventually. That's the point: they'll get caught.
Yes, excuses start, but in the overwhelming majority of situations, even the leaders in their "community" will be ousted if they cheat. There are certainly examples of repentant cheaters who earned their way back in and stayed legit, most cheaters are never welcomed back.
I want a leaderboard for how fast and accurate people gather together FBI level investigation reports on people who cheat in the speed running/high score community.
And then I want to watch people use chatGPT to try to cheat their way to the top of that leaderboard.
The evidence of cheating from the videotape was already irrefutable, but it would have taken literally weeks of testimony to demonstrate that to a non-technical jury. The joystick photo would take,like you say, about a day of expert witness testimony, and the jury would have a simple visual aid to understand. The new photo is, imo, superfluous, but an attorney facing a jury trial would no doubt feel very different about it.
"Extremely malicious" is an understament. His accomplices and supporters are just as vicious. They've attacked journalists, writers and historical researchers for years.
Mitchell's bogus scores are only the tip of the iceberg btw. He and others in tandem with him built a lucrative business off his and his accomplice's "legends" and used those as a tool to gain numerous paid appearances all over the world. It's quite extraordinary when you know just how big that iceberg is, how long it's been floating and how much money they made by via the deceptive practice of manufacturing legends. For instance, Mitchell and his pals dedicated a bronze public plaque to themselves in Iowa, proclaiming that they created "organized eSport" in The 80s. This plaque of lies hangs in public in Ottumwa, Iowa. It was hung as a way to not only align their names with a multi-billion dollar industry they hoped to grift attention off, but to pull off a "birthplace of gaming" tourist destination just like the fictional "birthplace of Baseball" in Cooperstown, NY. Cooperstown has the National Baseball Hall of Fame. Iowa has the National Video Game Hall of Fame and Mitchell and his pals are the progeniters of that project. In fact, Mitchell is on the board or at least was last I checked.
Imagine the dismay of City leaders of Ottumwa, who may one day discover that they were used and misled. I don't think they'll be happy about it.
I would call it "bullshitberg", tho.
They should have stuck with Radar O'Reilly...
Just give him some of the heat, and that iceberg will soon melt.
One thing i'll say right off the bat, they go after anyone who has anything negative to say. Quite possibly played a part in a certain YT'ers choice of action.
Anyone trying to take away id software’s legacy as the godfather of esports can gargle a cactus.
I am hoping that all defendants can file counter suits for their litigation costs over these frivolous lawsuits. That would be the icing on the cake for me.
3:28 Fun fact about that, Namco didn't even award Billy for anything. Billy (or his team) arranged to have Namco give them award they made themselves.
This isn't quite true. Namco did give Billy a plaque, but Billy lied about what the plaque was about, and later had a fake award made that would match his lie
Thank you for supporting Karl! You are a absolute legend!
I watched the King of Kong film in my university course, as an example of how film-makers can present a narrative to make you believe the side they want you to believe. We were told that parts of the film were presented out of order and they used only the clips that made Mitchell seem like a jerk.
A decade later, I can't help but feel like the King of Kong film was a lot more accurate then my course wanted us to think it was! xD
Man, I need to watch that film again. It was good.
I believe the film was trying to portray Billy as the goliath of that film so to speak. They probably just saw Billy acting like the narcissist he is and decided that would make for good entertainment.
This is a fantastic choice of subject matter to cover. I'm hoping that this will bring a swift end to the litigation, but I suspect Mitchell will try to find a way to keep fighting. I feel almost sorry for someone who actually has other accomplishments in their life they could be proud of, but ties their personal ego to something as ephemeral as a video game record.
There were life rights attached and paid for exploiting the topic matter. This topic goes far beyond just a video game score.
If the court is smart they will ban him from submitting further to his litigation spreee
I feel bad for anyone who got a million+ score after Mitchell claimed his, and basically got no recognition for the years of dedication and work because a cheater kept him from being recognized. Cheating for your own entertainment is fine, cheating when it impacts others (especially when there's money on the line like in Mitchell's situation) is abhorrent.
All in all few would care about this case at all under most circumstances, even being fairly well known. A court case over a cheated video game record, usually wouldn't be consider that important. The reason so many are interested in this case is due to the sheer amount of defamation cases files by Mitchel, he basically sues every person who whispers negative things about him, and people really don't respect that type of behavior.
It's also worth noting that a large part of this also stems from the fact that Mitchel worked with Walter Day (the person who founded Twin Galaxies) and some others within Twin Galaxies to create this persona. The referees that approved of several of his proposed cheated records were Walter Day himself and Todd Rodgers (Who is believed to have cheated records himself and also likes to sue people over it), both of whom were part of Twin Galaxies. When Jace Hall took over Twin Galaxies he shortly later filed a case against Mitchel claiming he colluded with Walter Day and Todd Rodgers to intentionally pass off faked records so that Twin Galaxies would be able to create the persona of the greatest video game player of all time, something that due to numerous circumstances helped Twin Galaxies reputation and recognition grow and help establish their credibility and validity. Jace argues that by doing so they artificially jacked the value of Twin Galaxies before selling it. Jace thought he was buying a database of legitimate records and felt the actions of the pervious owner and staff of Twin Galaxies raised the perceived value of the company, which they then sold off when the cheating controversies were starting to come to light, to effectively dodge a bullet. From what I understand this case is still ongoing as well.
Don't forget Billy sued Apollo and won, later on Apollo committed sui---- aka he's no longer on this earth.
I got Billy to block me on Instagram. A very proud achievement!
@@Skelath Indeed, that is a particularly disturbing one. Also Billy won? I was fairly sure they settled it out of court, as in it never went to trial Billy just scared Apollo into settling it.
@@Skelath He didn't win, it was settled out of court.
Billy is a world-class asshole who everyone knows is a cheater. The coming destruction of his identity and legal standing are long-deserved and I can't wait to see the vindication of all those harmed by Billy and his associates.
Ha! I'm one of your viewers who's a huge video game nerd and know quite a bit of the stories around Mr Mitchell! I actually love that you're aware and even a little bit active in this! I'm sure you already know just how litigious Billy Mitchell is, but you being a lawyer, I'd like to see him try something, lol. Thumbs up 'Lita!
ALSO... Kudos to you for being the first to break this news to me! Wow! I knew about Jobst, too!
You collabed with Karl? You absolute legend.
The perfect comment doesn't exis---
I came from another side of CZcams. In fact from the Speedrun community. It's so cool this being addressed elsewhere. Y'all are Absolute Legends.
As someone who has build multiple MAME arcade machines, I can say... WOW! Not only would Billy Mitchell know it wasn't an original joystick... 8 way joysticks are HARDER to play in Donkey Kong and others 4 way games... until you have practiced a ton with them! Your not running on flat land in DK often (slightly diagonal on a few screens).. Well, with a 8 way joystick that makes it so if you press a bit diagonally you end up accidentally starting to walk up a ladder when you meant to walk past it... at times killing your game. I purchases and have owned multiple original DK/Pacman 4 way joysticks in the past, just to get past this! If he got a high score on that machine, that meant that he practiced for ages using a non-original hardware or he wouldn't have done his best. Anyway... The other examples I saw in the past of the videos he showed could only be created on an emulator because of imperfect video emulation. That also should have been enough to get him kicked.
At the low level, it might be harder, but once you reach the highest level, being able to do something that isn't possible otherwise is a game changer and can be the difference between getting the world record or not getting it at all.
Yea, conspiring with film makers to intentionally alter a matte of historic fact so Billy could profit is not an act of cheating or fraud is it?
it isnt confiemed its an 8 wya joystick it LOOKS like one but if it relay is or not isnt certain so thats a moot point however its easy to see the stick is longer and its not original thats enough reason.
Walking left, going up on 4-way: left, no input, up. Same situation with 8-way: left, up+left.. It is not that hard to practice so you don't accidentally do diagonal but it is a shortcut for sure. It is faster and easier to press to diagonal position than it is to move from one quadrant to the next.
From Karl Jobst's video, the filings state that Billy is the one who provided the machine for both "King of Kong" and "Mortage Broker's" scores. So no doubt that he's had practice with that specific cabinet.
That evidence seems to be damaging, if proven true. Thank you for sharing.
Being a civil trial and not a murder trial, it helps that the judge/jury get to decide what's probably true, not what's absolutely proven with no doubt to be true. And that will matter a lot here. It's obvious what's more likely true at this point.
@@footofgod all Twin Galaxies has to do with that picture is get someone who works with the replacements parts for a cabinet to say what we all know; that isn't original hardware. It's not even an official replacement stick.
@GwendolynSS Considering there is a clear photograph, what other "proof" would you be looking for? It's amazing that photo exists at all. The guy is clearly guilty, just like he was when proven to use emulators as well.
The photos were literally obtained from the organizer of the event. They, at least, are definitely real.
I hope when this is over karl could sue Billy
I've never been big on arcade games and I haven't played one or seen one in 20 odd years, but I instantly recognized that the lever on his game in the photo was not original. The claim he cheated seems legit to me. And nice to see you back!
There is ample evidence that Mitchell cheated based on videos that clearly show use of MAME, rather than video that would come from a genuine Donkey Kong arcade game. Mitchell claims that he has numerous witnesses and has stated again and again that he played on an original / unaltered Donkey Kong machine, and the non-original red joystick shows this is not the case.
Rev John is correct, MAME loads levels demonstrably different than original hardware, which is clearly visible in Billy’s videos. It’s indisputable to experts and not hard to explain to a layman/juror.
@@RevYars He's only submitted two witness statements. I believe one is from Todd Rodgers and the other is Rogers' girlfriend.
Besides, out of those "hundreds" of witnesses, how many of them would know it was on original hardware down to the PCBs? Did they get to look at the circuit boards?
@@Subangelis Even better, one of those "witnesses" even contends that the Mortgage Brokers machine is also the same one he made the King of Kong record on, meaning that if the Mortgage Brokers machine is proven modified(which it definitely appears to be), his own submitted witness statement means that his King of Kong score is confirmed illegitimate as well.
Funniest thing is, right before the photo was brought out the lawyer asked Mitchell if a knowledgeable gamer like him knew what the original joystick looked like (he said black) and whether there had ever been another color of joystick on original arcade cabinets of DK (he said there weren't) and thus whether a cabinet with a different color joystick would be original (he said it wouldn't)
And then the photo dropped.
Billy's enduring hairstyle tells all. It shows if nothing he's consistent, _persistant,_ he understands the importance of branding and has for a long time. If he had just been honest and fair, with hair like that, he could have done anything... but his ego is as formidable as his hair, and the lie persisted. In 3000 years when our ancestors are digging up tombs they will discover Billy Mitchell's immortal hair and it will tell a story. I just hope its one of redemption.
I thought you were going to point out that his hairstyle was proof of his vanity, because it's meticulously groomed but hasn't been in style in some 40 years. As for Billy's "redemption": No. Just no.
@@Delightfully_Bitchy In today's culture we look at things as black or white, good or evil but the world is grey and so are the people in it. There's a full spectrum, people included and while Billy may be as far over on the side of complete POS as possible, in reality he hasn't killed anyone (that we know of) or done anything so awful he can't ever come back. The world loves a redemption arc and if I'm naive for hoping he does the right thing at some point in his life, that I hope something good can come from all of this, then so be it. I'd rather think that then think his immoral character will be as everlasting as his immortal hair.
@@Nefville ... What the hell does that have to do with Billy's hair? 😏
@@Delightfully_Bitchy His hair is a work of modern art, I don't feel you can separate the artist from his work 🤣
Glad to see you covering this!
Mitchell: Your Honor, I object!
Judge: And why is that, Mr. Mitchell?
Mitchell: Because it's devastating to my case!
Judge: Overruled.
Mitchell: Good call!
Awesome content choice! Been following this for ages on Karl's channel. Great to get your perspective
In addition to the newly released photos, Twin Galaxies already had some extensive and highly irrefutable evidence that Mitchell's gameplay video demonstrated the use of an emulator referred to as MAME. This would mean that he was very much playing a modified version of the game regardless of the joystick, and was, therefore, cheating.
You see, the way the game screen loads for Donkey Kong on MAME is very different to how it would appear on an actual unmodified arcade machine, and quite visibly obvious if examined frame-by-frame. All this photo does is really seal the deal for someone not fully educated in/convinced by the emulation loading evidence.
But it is HEAVILY damning, and only substantiates things for TG further.
Hope you get settled soon and great to have you back.
I don't know a lot about this case nor gaming but it will be great to follow and maybe learn more
I don't know anything about video games either but Karl is very interesting to watch. Kind of a video game Coffeezilla.
So great to have a new video from you and seeing that you & co are getting setup! Looks like Holmes misses us too 😊 Thanks for the new content, always love your explanations, so clear and easy to understand 💙
Really interesting, also i think you did a very good job of describing all the video game stuff that people in the video game world (like me) take for granted, succinct but very accurate descriptions :)
As someone who’s been watching Jobst for years and your channel since the Depp trial, seeing you cover this makes me feel warm fuzzies.
Great video! Thank you for covering the case!
Can't tell you what a refreshing change this is from the chaos of the Murdaugh trial. And it's great to see you and Holmes looking so well. Also, it's exactly what Hoeg would enjoy discussing and that makes me smile 🥰
Agreed! And 🐈⬛. We all need more pet loves!
Billy Mitchell is like the canonically evil character in any story. Its not up to interpretation, its not up to perspective or your values and views on things. Its just plain ol evil manifest into a person.
I wish someone would give Billy a taste of his own medicine
I'm so excited to hear a lawyer talk about this after seeing Charlie cover it!! Side note, the intro with you holding your adorable kitty is the best!!!
Charlie, as in moistcritical?
Maybe watch Karl's videos, since he talked about it.
@@nes999 Yep
@@sleepysloth2385 thanks
I love this channel!! You keep doing the crossovers I never expect and it’s wild!! I’m a fan for life tbh
This is a tough story to cover in one video, as there are a lot of layers to each component. I think even non-video game enthusiasts can find so much of it fascinating if you ever did a deep dive.
After watching the Karl Jobst video, I think Mitchell has probably committed perjury by filing provably false documents in this defamation case, as have those providing supposed "witness statements" for that case. I expect him and several others will end up in prison soon. I hope so.
Yeah billy Todd Rogers and Tommy tallarico
Can you please explain Baldwin’s attorney ‘s filing this week?
1) he has requested a speedy trial. Can you define speedy in New Mexico?
2) can the special prosecutor be removed from the case because she’s in the state legislature?
3) Did the DA make an elementary mistake by charging Baldwin with a crime that wasn’t on the books when Baldwin killed Helenia?
Thanks
Thank you for this, I was interested in the case.
A point for improving accuracy in verbal communication - an important thing for lawyers : there is a difference between "...it cannot be understated how devastating ..." as at 20:00 and "it must not be underestimated ..." or "it cannot be overstated..."
The video's sentence says no matter how little you say it counts, you overestimate its negligible effect. I am sure that is not what is meant.
Thanks for covering this - such a crazy story!
@13:50 You quote Billy (correctly, with the complaint on screen) as saying hundreds of people witnessed him get his score on arcade *software.*
Nobody is disputing whether he got the score using the Donkey Kong arcade *software*; the issue is whether he achieved the score running the Donkey Kong software on arcade *hardware*, or whether he ran it on MAME.
Maybe I'm making too much of this; but if (for example) he was just "miming" to a pre-recorded MAME playback played on the screen of a Donkey Kong cabinet, that would give him an out. It would mean he hadn't sworn an untrue statement before the court, for example.
That'd get him out of perjury but he's the plaintiff in all these cases, so it's completely immaterial whether he lied. You can't commit libel by telling the truth, so BM loses all his libel cases if the *defendants* of those cases were all telling the truth.
Great look at this - made me notice something in the affidavit Billy submitted which I have not seen people mention. 13:53 Mitchel asserts his records were set on original SOFTWARE. The requirement is to compete on original HARDWARE which would in turn require original ROMS hence software. It looks like he didn't want to lie on the affidavit . Sneaky.
Original software could be on mame. Your running a emulator on original software. Very sneaky Billly Boy.
Good to know that Karl's videos have made it to various other people including lawyers such as yourself. I'll be keeping an eye out for other videos from this channel starting today.
It’s good to know that their are people in support for Karl
His witnesses were literally his friends two of which have been found guilty of fraud multiple times one even for faking his own gaming records
If you've not watched the King Of Kong documentary I highly recommend it.
I legitimately thought it was an 80's retro themed spoof mockumentary (like Spinal Tap) when I first saw it. Everyone is a character!
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What's annoying here is that Billy Mitchell is genuinely a good player of Donkey Kong, he could've been just a great ambassador of the game and a top ten player for a long time. He would be held in high regard to this day.
Great and informative video, plus Mr. Bytes/Bites making an appearance is never a bad thing. I highly encourage you to keep making content!
Awesome rpt, thanks. Nvr heard abt this. Fascinating topic
Would really love an interview with Karl in the future. I'm a big fan
The worst thing is, Billy had the skills. He could of still been "Billy Mitchell" without cheating. That strive to ALWAYS be #1 ruined him.
This right here. In fact, if he would have supported the next generation overtaking his record and embracing the community he would have been solidified a legend for all-time. No one would have looked into all this, he already had the hard part done! It was so easy, he had it made if he had just taken five seconds to think this out.
Watch out! Just mentioning his name and cheating in the same sentence awards you a frivolous Billy Mitchell lawsuit.
Omgggg you know about this!! You're so awesome!!
That defamation lawsuit against TG reads like someone suing a jury for defamation after getting a guilty verdict.
Excellent video, even though I watched Karl's first and basically understood this already. More people knowing about BM the fraud is a good thing.
As someone who has followed this topic from the gaming side for a ling time, it's nice to get a legal view point, as some of the more legal parts have been a bit over my head until now. Great video
Billy's Boned.
Great video. Excellent explanation for people who are familiar or very familiar with the subject matter, (like video games I know this subject a bit but great for those who don't, but the legal side I don't know well).
This was the first video of yours I saw and it was very well produced and presented thank you very much.
As you are saying you're in a transitional period moving house, (but could be in now), I was thinking a Virtual Background 😀
(Former gametech at an arcade bar) Jobst is right that that red joystick is not the model DK cabinets were built with in the US (i dont know what japanese cabinets for the game look like). It looks like an atari one but with a red shaft, or a modern one but with a red shaft cover and balltop, but it is correct that it is not the original joystick. As for if its 4 way or 8 way you cannot tell without looking inside the panel (with any joystick actually). The nintendo joystick had a 4 way and an 8 way gate available for it too, as its the same joystick used in excitebike cabinets. Most modern joysticks have gates that can be swapped or rotated. The diamond gate is 4 way and the square gate is 8 way.
There are modern 8-way gates that are octogonal rather than square. They're usually used in fighting games cause that gives you a more definite sense of the 8 directions. I've modified one of my sticks from square to octogonal before for that very reason.
@@SeraphimKnight also true. Same with some circle gates. Though its possible for a circle gate to be 4 way depending on deadzones/sensitivity. Unfortunately because the game doesnt have a test mode verifying 4 way vs 8 way joystick relies on the switch actuation being visible while riding the gate. Tbh I almost wonder if mandating diagonal cleaners might be a good idea what with diagonals having unfair bugs. In any case, the cabinet that record was played on is in violation of the rules for having a different model joystick as twin galaxies is picky even about that.
Judging from his behavior over the years, I suspect Billy Mitchell doesn't necessarily care if the case is a loser or not. His MO is to abuse legal tools to frighten, exhaust, and bankrupt his adversaries. After these cases fails, he's likely to file others just as flimsy. Then perhaps more after that. At each stage, prolonging and nitpicking every possible tiny detail. He will fight entirely empty and pointless disputes in the hopes of exhausting the other side until they are at least willing to settle out of court in a way that he doesn't have to admit his cheating. This allows him to keep lying and maintaining the fiction, no matter how many times he loses in court.
That happened to Apollo that caused him to off himself
This just showed up in my recommends. Love to see a legal take on Karl's video, you're an absolute legend
I've never really been too high on listening about legal issues or lawsuits, but must say...very well done video and interesting listen!
Billy Mitchell is the gift that keeps on giving
Well the mullet that keeps on growing
As a member of the community, there is a big "if" in the new evidence.
Jobst makes the claim that it "appears to be an 8-way stick", and goes on to explain what that *would* imply, but it is not obvious from the photo that it is in-fact an 8-way stick. You would need additional footage of the joystick internals or demonstrating 8-way motion (or a full copy of the gameplay video to observe the advantage being utilized) in order to confirm that, by which point the photo would be supplementary, if not wholly unnecessary to make that argument.
The joystick *is* clearly non-original (a fact which would importantly be plainly obvious to anyone who has prior experience in the game -- the original joystick is very small and distinctly uncomfortable/awkward to use, so it would be fair to assume that Mitchell would have known that), but the important question is if that alone would be enough to make a substantial difference sans the "8-way" embellishment.
Ya I wondered about that as well. I don’t know how they could tell by the picture alone that it isn’t a 4-way stick. Maybe they can, but I think that claim is a bit of a leap. I’m curious to see how this all plays out though and whether or not that picture really does break Billy’s case.
It is the opposite: Billy has to now prove that it was 4-way. The joystick is not original, now Billy has to prove that it is identical in function and not what is most common, which is that old 4-way was changed to modern 8-way. It would be extraordinary that someone would take 8-way stick and put it on a 4-way mechanism. Of course, since the joystick was not original but larger.. that in itself means it was modified arcade machine. With the other evidence proving that it was emulation that was used strongly suggests that it was 8-way joystick.
As was said many times, the arcade console has to be unmodified. Any change of hardware is in breach of the rules.
@@squidcaps4308 Actually no, since Twin Galaxies does not allow any hardware modifications unless they are either "...needed to support the use of external storage devices..." or otherwise exempted via the specific leaderboards rule set (I.E. A category that allows modified hardware). This means, even if Billy were to prove it was a 4-Way joystick, it would still be a violation of Twin Galaxies rules on modified hardware.
I haven't followed this case in a while so I don't remember all the details, but unless Twin Galaxies made some statement saying he cheated it doesn't actually matter if the hardware modifications are purely benign in function. All that would matter is whether or not their actions were a typical enforcement of their own rules.
@@RWhite_ There is a rule, specific to Donkey Kong (written in 2009, in direct response to the game's spike in popularity following the release of King of Kong, a total anomaly compared to the overall community), effectively in which submissions have to be on a cabinet with a joystick that is or matches the original. So that aspect of it is valid from a TG rulings perspective, although at worst it would invalidate that specific performance from the TG leaderboard and is not, by itself, an indication of cheating.
To the best of my knowledge, Xelnia's findings have held up to scrutiny. The modified joystick photo is just something obvious that will make it an easier sell for TG specifically to defend their decision to not include his scores in their leaderboard.
The issue is with Jobst's (who is not a member of the community, just acting as an external reporter) speculation about it possibly being an 8-way. There is zero method to prove it one way or the other at this point, and I don't want to see him blunder his way into having to defend that statement.
Ty for the video. Very informative 👍
Hi Alyte,
I really enjoy your videos and I wanted to ask you your thoughts on the recent court cases of CZcamsr SeanPaul Reyez of Long Island Audit Inc. Vs Danbury Connecticut. I would love your insights on the matter! Maybe a future video? Either way, your the best Alyte!
For a while there I thought you were talking about the important Billy Mitchell.
I think it speaks volumes that someone like Billy won’t hold impromptu exhibitions on random arcade machines if he can hold records.
Excellent summary of the situation.
Found your channel through Karl, very cool stuff! had to comment about your cat, they're absolutely adorable and i'm jealous!
This is why you don't sue every person that speaks your name online. When things turn against you, and for a certainty the time will come, every person you attacked plus 50 of their best friends will be lined up to kick your...
Why Billy decided to attack Karl, a super likeable family man with a bazillion subscribers, is beyond me. There had to be an easier meal to digest right? 🤣
And we found out he cmmited perjury
Mitchell relies on people backing down when faced with a lawsuit as it's so expensive. Unfortunately for him, Karl's supporters have happily backed him financially in order for him to fight back. There's a video of Mitchell ranting about how unfair that is. The man is a bully and is finally being taken down.
oh wow, I haven't thought of that guy since I saw The King of Kong documentary 15 years ago. I think that's when he first got accused of cheating and did horrible things to a guy who beat his old record.
You mean Steve Webie? No, Tim Sczerby actually broke Billys 1982 arcade record. Not Steve.
@rexapis1737 oh, that makes it even stranger that he went after Webie like that
@@yourstrulyjohnnydollar8775 Not really. It's Wiebe who WOULD have had the initial record if Billy didn't get this score. Wiebe would be the first person to hit the 1 million mark.
Tim Sczerby was the one who broke the record after, legitimately, so Billy could never go after that. On the other hand, he can smack Wiebe down to the ground and continue to fake that he's still the first holder of the 1m score
This is the content crossover I didn’t know I needed…
A video on the Patrick Reed lawsuit saga would be great to see!
The best part about these photos is that Billy himself submitted them to evidence, attempting to prove he attended that convention, so that his witness from the convention could assert they saw him win. Hubris is awesome 😂
Just a question from someone who knows nothing of this saga... Is the movie Pixel loosely based on this guys delusions? 🤷
I've been following this through Jobst's channel over the long-term piece by piece, but man. Seeing "the story so far" all summarized in one video like this really puts a fine point on how insane this whole thing is.
Thanks for reappearing! Was beginning to think you might've pulled the proverbial plug on your channel.
As to your questions at the end, these photos show that Billy is a cheater. No question about it. Karl made a great series of videos on Billy Mitchell and this is just the final nail in the coffin. I do hope that after this all lawsuits that Billy has started will be dropped and that he'll be forced to pay damages to parties he wrongly accused and whose reputation he harmed.
Great channel, thank you.
I've never seen any videos from you before, but I never get tired of watching people dissect Billy's legal errors. Bring it on.
“But those are my thoughts. What do you think?”
Hell if I know. You’re the lawyer. We’re literally here because we don’t know shit and want you to tell us.
So, a word about the pics. From what I've gleaned via other CZcams videos and relevant gaming articles, the photos are hard copies, not digital. Metadata as verification is out the window. However...internet sleuths pieced together the following. Mortgage Brokers' publicity photos showed Mitchell directly in front arcade cabinet while being congratulated by convention organizers and referees; the machine's hardware was entirely out of view. They reasoned more images of the event likely existed, and after a lot of back-and-forth with a former Mortgage Brokers convention employee (or attendee--I'm uncertain of which), these new photos were unearthed. Mitchell took one or two steps to his left, and the red joystick was now visible. The provenance of the hard copy photos seems rock solid by all accounts, and that's where verification appears to exist.
Hope everyone is settling into the new place nicely! No idea who this is about but excited to hear
He's the king of con. Kong. Kong. Shit. I'm next in line to get sued.
All levity aside, he's just a washed up adult that is hanging on to what he claims to have accomplished as a teen and later.
there is something absolutely hilarious about hearing an actual lawyer say "permabanned". Great video, keep up the good work.
From someone who is terminally obsessed with esoteric internet drama and was already very well aware of Lolcow Of Tge Century Billy Mitchell: the beginning of this video is a really concise overview of the situation. Well done! 👏 👏 👏
Karl points out the 3rd party joystick but I cannot get over the fact that it's a photo of not one, but two alleged cheaters shaking hands and giving the thumbs up to the camera.
Great video, thank you for making this
This is the best coverage of this scandal that I’ve seen outside of the gaming community.
Loving this coverage and Karl Jobst: new subscriber. And for the bebe cat.
Great video and explanation. You should also look at Todd Rogers and his "lawsuits". Its also convenient that Billy was friends with 90% of the original TG staff and half of his friends are also now labeled cheaters
Late reply, but I just found your channel and it is really great to be hearing an actual lawyer talk about this. Karl Jobst has been a great source of info on this, but he's not a legal professional in any sense of the term.
Karl lol! I’m so glad you’re covering this and I love it! ❤
Oddly enough I first found out about this channel from Karl, and watched the JD case here live as well.