Buy A Sailboat, C&C Right now! - Episode 110 - Lady K Sailing
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I grew up in R.I. and I can remember my dad working at a C&C shop in Newport in the early eighties.
C&C boats are very popular along the southern shore of Lake Ontario. I’ve be crewing on a 29’ C&C for the past 11 years. Average age of our crew is 67. The boat has performed very well for the most part with us winning countless races and many season championships. In my opinion it is a very solid boat especially in windy conditions. Thanks for providing the history about these boats. I’m loving this series you are now producing. Looking forward to the next boat review..
Great info...George had his C&C 25 that my Dad looked after, docked next to us on Grand Bahama, where we lived aboard a Hughes 27, in 68-69. Fast forward to ‘85 where I started my sailing career delivering C&C’s for North/South Yacht Charters from NYC to BVI. This is before GPS, no knot meter, or any electronics. Boats had never been in the water. No shake down.They trucked them from Niagara On The Lake, we stuck the keel on, put the rig up, and would depart the next night, into freezing conditions of North Atlantic before decent weather forecasting. Got knocked down in Gulf Stream Christmas Day on C&C 41. Almost died. But boat saved us. It was a love affair ever since. Bought 2 yr old C&C 37 XL in ‘92 in BVI, named her Mustang, raced Caribbean circuit with my all women’s team, kicked butt, launched my delivery business after having been charter captain, instructor, charter co manager. 35 yrs later I own a C&C 27 MK V, built the year I first started deliveries. It’s parked in front of my house in Nova Scotia and I Captain a Sunreef 74 Catamaran for work. C&C’s set me on my path. Now looking at a C&C 44 to buy and sail again across South Pacific. Love these boats for their design, workmanship, seaworthiness. Signing up crew soon.
I'm assuming you would be sailing out of NS, might be able to crew for you to Panama. I've been giving some thought to crewing for a bigger blue water boat. Reasonable amount of experience. I own a 27. DM me on TG if you want.
Looking at a C&C 40. Need a captain for delivery if I am successful. Caribbean to NC.
Hi folks, that is a very enjoyable video. Well done!
I own a C&C 35 Mk3 and cruise her on the coast of BC out of Vancouver.
She was a one owner boat when I bought her and had never been raced which I think is fairly rare amongst C&C's. That was a strong selling point for me. The hull, deck and rig were in very good shape but as to be expected for a 30 year old boat her systems were tired. I have since completed a major refit including repower. She is now set up to my liking for coastal cruising. I really enjoy her sailing characteristics and warm, comfortable teak interior.
Best regards,
AL HESTER
Pacific Ranger
1988 C&C 35 Mk 3.
I cut my teeth on a C and C 35 racing out of the RCYC as a young teenager in the early '70s. Fond memories. I remember navigating for the skipper with a handheld radio direction finder and plotting with a pencil on to charts. Sweet.
I was 16 years old, standing at the dock in Weymouth, Massachusetts, as the local C&C came in after the races. It was a good half hour before anyone else came in... smiles all around!
Dude! These are exactly the kinds of videos I’ve been looking for. I LOVE the history and backstories of these various builders.
I have a C&C Landfall 38. She's a rocket ship, and handles strong winds and lumpy seas better than most. This is my 3rd C&C. I previously had a 27, and a Redline 25. All three are excellent sailboats.
I just acquired a C&C redline 25 that needs to be put back together. I'm trying to find as much info as I can so I can get it back to it original look
Thanks for this video. Bought a C&C MKIII after watching this video. Best money I ever spent. I've never sailed on a more perfect boat, and it's an honor to own and captain her.
I bought a 84 C&C landfall before purchase I had a survey with not even 1 wet spot On entire hull and deck. Compliments to her previous owner with the start of my 2nd season on lake Michigan could not be happier.
Great video! Theres so much more to the story but this covers a lot. When Rob Ball became C&C's principal designer, the yachts evolved into amazing fast, pretty and very comfortable boats. One of my favourite comments I ever saw came from Robert Perry on the design of the C&C 34-2 "I wish I had designed it" I love my Ball designed C&C 27-5.
I have to admit, when I first saw the title of your first boat lesson, Beneteau, I yawned. Wow I was pleasantly wrong- this series has been absolutely fascinating. Love the history lessons and vintage photos. Great work Tim!
I have a 1977 C&C 24 which I have owned for 33 years. I am the second owner and enjoy day sailing on it as much as the first year that I purchased it. Great boats.
Yes, met Cuthbertson. And knew Hinterhoeller. How weird is that? (I grew up in upstate NY, family owned a number of C&C's) Other innovations: the extruded aluminum slotted toerail, but especially the molded (sorry, moulded) inward-turning flange for deck attachment. Great summary, BTW!
Always wanted a C&C. 2 years ago got a 33-2. What a great boat!
Hi, My first introduction to coastal sailing was on a c&c 25 out of Gloucester Ma. It was owned by a good friends father. This was back in the 80’s. I believe it was a 25’. I remember the arrow detail and how the father(ex navy Captain, submariner) when teaching me how to sail would beam with pride. I was very lucky as my friend, myself and another friend sailed her down to the Americas cup in Newport, RI, must have been about 83,(Aussie bulb keel controversy days) we were out for approx 14 days, Nantucket, Martha Vineyard, Newport, those are great memories and I loved that boat. We did that trip again the following summer. Thank you for the history lesson, I had no idea about the racing history. My love of sailing was born on a proper C&C! Keep up the good work. TY.
A good place to read up on the C&C Landfall 38 is Practical Sailor. I have one that I have been restoring for almost two years, can't wait to sail it.
Curious how your restoration went. I'm looking at purchasing an 85 Landfall.
I’m going to do exactly that tomorrow morning. A C&C 24, my first sail boat 👍🏻
Just bought the C&C 32 from 1983. She's an absolute beauty and fast as hell.
I owned a 1973 C&C 39 for 28 years, filled with racing and cruising. Some of my best memories of my life were on that boat.
If I Had to do it over again I'd of bought her earlier. Great boat.
Love my C&C 27 Mk3. Perfect combination of sailing quality and beautiful lines. I’ve heard the real test of love is if you look back at her as you walk away after docking.. and i always do. Thanks for putting this together. Our club here in Ottawa has a large collection of C&Cs. Come visit.
Following a Paceship 29, I was schooled on a C&C 29 in the maritimes. Later came a 35/3, actually the proto type for the Challenge Canada series. I traveled to the US with her one summer for some fun and racing. Later, my father bought Hans Fogh’s 37r which to this day is a legendary craft in my mind; holy cow she was fast and stiff. She can be found on a fair bit of Canadian silver. And we had so stinking much fun her, she is burned deeply in my memory. Meantime I was also racing on a 34r on Long Island sound; she was a far more challenging boat to sail well, but when “hooked up” she was rewarding. I have watched the IOR 34 and 40 go fast and crash all over the place.... I think the early 35/1 and 39 are my favorite classic C&Cs; that sheer line is unmistakable.
The C&C 25 is the most fun boat I've ever sailed.
Always loved the lines of a mid 80's C & C 41. Soft decks are certainly something to watch for.
Proud to say our family shared C and C Mk3 has been very patient with us these passed 2 season while learning to sail her on the Ontario side of Lake Erie. Awesome histrionic thanks
Really enjoyed your episode .I have a C&C 45 which I sail in Newfoundland . Built in 1974 and raced by the name Dynamo now being sailed under the name Adanac 11 . thank you for the great history lesson
I sail in Ottawa, and between NSC and BYC there must be over 40 C&C 27s (Mk I-IV especially). I share a 27 MkV now, and we owned a Redline 25 before that. Boats don't age here near as much as they do in the southern US and the Caribbean, but upkeep keeps them out of landfills nonetheless! My Kirby 25 was clearly a price point boat but the C&C 27 is lovely, well designed and a joy to sail. It's by far the nicest (and newest!) sailboat I've ever owned. Cheers
Great video. I had the privilege of going on a C&C factory tour in 1987 in Niagara-on-the-Lake, and as a sailing lover, was ecstatic. Got to see everything at every phase of the build, from mould layup to rigging.
I think that Hinterholler factory burned down with all the molds.
I owned a Tim Jacket C&C 99. True spirit of C&C. Loved her. Wish I’d never sold.
I have been a power boater since I was a child and Lake Erie. However in the single scene I was in a relationship with somebody who raced out of the Cleveland yacht club and we crewed. She had been doing it for several years as well as everyone else on the boat many from childhood.
What a great way assuming you have a good bunch of people to learn how to sail be in the competitive situations and learn a lot sailing is now in my blood I absolutely love it.
Especially racing.
I have watched your entire series of lady K absolutely love it keep it going
I had a C&C 34 for 38 years. Not their best model (warped by the IOR rule), but a great boat for club racing and comfortable for cruising. Waterline less than 26 feet, so not a race horse, but pretty good in light air. Their toughest boats were the 30 and 35 footers of the mid 70's. In weather that had me reefed and on a #3, a 30 would pass me with full main and a 150 Genoa up.
We bought my dad's 1981 Newport 28 C&C. She'd been neglected after his death but now that I found her and she's back in the family, we have some big plans and lots of love for her. Can't wait to get her out of the marina.
We campaigned a 30’ C&C with a shoal draft. Then we cut it off and put a fin bulb on it. It was a fun stiff boat.
I bought a 1977 C&C30 in Bermuda last year during the initial covid 19 lockdown.. *BEST PURCHASE I EVER MADE!!* She needed some work but my dad and I docked her and fixed her up and this year she's ready to go. Of course boats are always work but she is fully operational and will soon be confortable because we just ordered new upholstery so summer 2021 will be a hit! I love my C&C30!
And great channel man I wish you the best.
Thanks for doing this video. Lots of interesting historical facts that I didn't know, and we've owned 2 of them. Our first was the 27' which introduced us to the speed of the modern fin keel FRP yachts after our clinker built Gaff rigged cutter.
We then owned a 1982 32 footer we bought out of the Vancouver Boat Show that year and lived aboard her in False Creek for 4 or 5 years.
We never raced her, but always raced her 😅🤣😂, you know what I mean.
She turned heads when ever we sailed into a new anchorage, even from the old salts.
That year, I believe, introduced Rod Rigging to the ordinary production yacht owners, and it was very cool.
We made the choice between buying the boat, or a house in Vancouver, (they were the same price) and to this day we don't regret a minute of it. Would do it again.
Now in our 70s, I have a little 20' twin keeler that lives in a tent across the street, that I'm restoring in retirement, but we miss our C&Cs.
Great story telling, love the videos and looking forward to see more.. You hit on a untapped audience that no other channel is doing. Great job :)
Thanks for making this video. I've watched it several times an has convinced me C&C is my preferred boat of choice. Again thanks Lady K!
A friend of mine just sold his C&C 61 to a mutual friend of ours who is currently on her in Kemer Turkey, her name was Sorcery, you may have heard of her especially during THAT Fastnet. An absolutely incredible boat to sail and could have a whole episode to herelf, thanks for all your work man, excellent research and excellently delivered.
Loved the C&C35 I raced on Lake Ontario back in the early 90s.
We just acquired a 1989 C&C 37/40 s/v Jazz we are the 3rd owners really enjoyed your video with all the history about C&C. We live in San Diego and are preparing to cruise. Much appreciate the info
I love C&C and have raced several. I would love to buy one one day. Thank you for another great video 😊👍
Good Vid Tim. I would assume back in the early sixties the Leafs might (?) have been winning (?) certainly if playing the Habs ! (Being a good Chatham boy you would have been rooting for the Wings).
Living in NOTL and the old C & C site has been cleared away and has a new conference centre and park that is part of the Pillar and Post Hotel.
Back in the early 80's I sailed on a Landfall in the Florida Keys, one of the great things about it was you could stuff a whole bunch of people on it and not feel overly cramped. (at least back then) .
The Habs beat my Blackhawks for the Cup in 71 and 73, very sad 15 yr old.
Not only have I heard of C&C, I own & liveaboard a 1970 C&C Redline 41.
Thanks for the great info on the C&C sailboats. This past week we looked at a couple C&C's for sale & are still looking for our new boat. Great Video's
Great idea... a video giving the little-known-back-stories and side-stories of a respectable brand... very well done!
Love seeing this video. I don't see very many videos out there on C&C or I just haven't found them. We own the 38 Landfall..
First sail on a C&C was a 33' night time sail on Lake Mich. w/ waves so big the city wud disappear when we went into the troughs. Fell in love with a new 48 Landfall, sailed it 7 years, usually six months at a time all pnts from N Maine to GT. Fast and survived a double norther that sank several others off the Carolinas. Damage but survived. Wud pnt 30 true and cud pinch down 2 degrees w/o major speed loss. Wud never hesitate to recommend. Note: Walter Conkrite came on board while I was in Edgar Town and almost cancelled his order on his new boat in favor of C&C. My next after a hiatis was a Mason 54, not quite the ability to point, hydraulic steering less a joy but, hey, whose at the wheel is you are seriously cruising! Both a bit to carry at 6.5 plus draft in the Bahamas but a comfortable sit while waiting on the tide.
Great video. I remember pouring over the sailing magazines when I was a kid and dreaming of owning a C&C. I own a little Nash designed boat now and am quite happy with it but who knows what the future holds.
I am really liking this series. I am thinking of buying a bigger boat in the next couple years and all the info is great. Thanks for sharing.
Looking into livaaboard life and finding your vids so helpful! 😊
Thanks, This was an interesting history of C&C. I own a C&C25 Mk1 1973, deffinitely a solid and fast boat. Well maintain these boates seems to be immortal.
I love these wildly informative edits!
Wow I am glad i saw this video... i am in the process of buying a 34 c&c she is a good looking sail boat! i was not sure about her but now i made my decision! thanks
Did you get your C&C?
I loved hearing about the history of c&c, I grew up on a somewhat rare c&c 35 mk3 wing keel named little wing II in southern Ontario. It was in pristine shape when my family owned it stained and buffed to perfection and it did very well at the annual c&c owners regatta at national. I haven’t seen it in about 10 years but the c&c fleet is still going strong on Lake Ontario.
I LOVE my 79 C&C, 27 mark III , HAD HER FOR 2 YEARS and she's a rocket❤
My grandfather had a C&C Landfall 46 center cockpit cutter. Great boat.
I have owned a (1976) C&C 38 mark 1 for over 10 years. My friend owns the sister boat and we sail in the North Atlantic waters of Newfoundland. A great sailing boat and one of many C&C s here in Newfoundland Canada. Great value for money.
I owned a Niagara 35 and she sails great and the cockpit is perfect.
Interesting - just started looking at sailboats and there was a C&C for sale in Annapolis, MD USA - I'm not ready to buy yet, but it was a beautiful boat!
We just got a 1981 C&C 34ft sailboat ⛵️ we like it so far no complaints the previous owner took really good care.
I sailed a C&C Landfall 48 from Annapolis to Thailand years ago. Wonder cruising boat.
I have owned my Landfall 38 since 1984,#284. I have loved sailing her every year since from Newfoundland to Maine. Based in Mahone Bay NS
Just bought a c&c 39 built 73/74 and is in amazing shape. will be retrofitting her with all electric motor and full eco friendly system to sail from Philly to Scotland 2021 via the Viking route!
When looking at boats to buy C&C is always on my list.
Great story, Lazy Lightning was a Newport 41, the mold was was a C&C Redline. Very few boats could point as high as as she could. The changes that Capital Yachts made her a great boat. My wife cried all day when we sold her
Woo Hoo! I just bought a C&C 36!
Yeppers, those were the good ol days! Used 2 ride my motorcycle 2 the airport 2 fly our plane 2 the coast 2 go sailing on our boat! We luv our ‘75 C&C 33-1! Fun racer/cruiser!👍
I own a C&C 29 footer and I love it.
Solid boat
I own the C&C 42 Landfall!!! I love her!!!!
You definitely have a gift of story telling that keeps one's interest. Can't wait till you get to the Grampian story. lol.
I hope there's a grampian story! I have and my first sailboat is the G26, and while she's an ugly old boat, she's pretty darn quick!
I'm already pulling my chair up. LOL. I have 2 G26's and almost had a Annapolis 46 which was a Grampian derivative.
I’ve been sailing a G26 for 3 years, I love it. I’m 5,11” and can stand up inside.
I was a little concerned by the Epoch Times advertisement at the beginning of the video, but after I got by that I was pleased with your review of C&C Yachts. However, there were a couple of historical inaccuracies. It was Cuthbertson who was the driving force in the creation of Cuthbertson & Cassian. Cuthbertson had opened Canadian Northern many years before to handle both design and brokerage. With the departure of his partner Peter Davidson in the late 50s, and with receiving the design commission for Innishfree in 1958, he went into design full time and took on Cassian in 1961, I believe, to create Cuthbertson & Cassian. As you say, C&C Yachts was created in 1969, based on the success of Red Jacket. However, Connolly's previous boat was the CN-35 (CN for Canadian Northern) Carousel, not Invader. Cuthberson assumed the presidency of C&C in 1973 and handed the design responsibilities to Rob Ball. I worked in the design office under Cuthbertson & Cassian starting part time in 1968, then under Rob in C&C Design Group until I left in 1985 to join Mark Ellis, and then Hunter Marine. Thank you for your mention of the Marine Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston which holds the entire Cuthbertson and Cuthbertson & Cassian drawing archives from the 1940s to 1973, and all the C&C design archives from 1973 to 1996. Red Jacket herself was recently bequeathed to the Marine Museum by the late Peter Milligan, and will be a welcome addition to the Cuthbertson & Cassian, and C&C Yachts collections at the Museum. The goal will be to maintain her in the water and make her accesable to interested sailors who appreciate her historical significance to the history of sailing in Canada. By the way, the marine Museum also holds the George Hinterhoeller design archives. Again, a good synopsis of the history of a remarkable group of people.
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Really nice man! Like those informative video’s!
I recently bought a 46ft ron holland designed racing yacht. Called marionette.
She also sailed the fastnet of ‘79
Hey Lady K - the fact that you got Rob Motherf#$%ing Mazza to reply to your video is a SERIOUS feather in your cap. Pay attention and give the man the credit he is due. A reply is the very least he deserves.
Never heard of him
I’m concerned that an advertisement can rattle you so much and/or affect your ability to appreciate the content that follows. I remember when people could observe something that they disagreed with, and simply move on with their lives.
I fail to understand why mentioning it was necessary or why people feel entitled to critic ridiculous details publicly that really have nothing to do with the content. Also, I see the irony in me feeling the need to comment negatively on your comment!!! What has happened to us? We are savages!!!
C&C designed my Lancer 30 MK-V. A 7/8's fractional rig manufactured by Lancer Yachts when Bally Corp owned Lancer. I had her for 20 years. She had a molded in fin keel. Drew 5'2''. She had a really large main.. the E (boom length) was 13' .. swept back spreaders with a small jib. A typical 80's production boat
Thanks for the great vid! C&C27 Mk III (sail 553 1975) here. I'm not a racer, but damn - the thing can go. And points pretty high. For a 45-year old boat, it's in terrific condition. If I ever upgrade, the only thing I'd look for is a C&C 34 or 35. (A little more headroom, a slightly bigger galley...)
Your videos are always informative and educational, directed to the cruising audience. See you in the Bahamas.
Thanks :)
I absolutely love my c&c 27 mkiii “Touchè”. Bet you can guess what the members of the yacht club call me.
Does it start with a "D"? LoL....
Very interesting....thank you for sharing. My dad use to fly over the Avro Arrows as they were being cut up and remembers how sick to his stomach he was. Some great Canadian history out there.... So sad that Canada has little in the way of manufacturing these days. We are even dependent on China for chicken wire 🙄
Ian Adkins,
We have the same problem here in the USA. Our investment types and corporate raiders have sold us out to the communist Chinese for short term profits. As Kruschev stated in the early 1960s, the greedy western business leaders will give the communists all the rope they need to hang the west with. Maybe We The People need to set the financial community straight before they sell out what little is left of our middle class.
@@AMERICANPATRIOT1945 Yep! Maybe little more president Teddy Roosevelt wouldn’t hurt either. LOL
I remember C&C very well from when I was a kid and used to pour through all the sailing magazines. 👍. Maybe you could cover S2 yachts, or Morgan?
Hey my friend C&C keels fall off too, worked at a Canadian yard and fixed a lot of them with broken grids and one with its keel on the bottom near Kingston Ontario so don’t blab on without more investigating
Thanks..that was very interesting..as an owner of a C&C 29 1984.
I had a C&C design.. 30'.. built by a company called Lancer.. a 7/8's rig.. huge main.. smaller jib.. a lot of waterline beam..overhang for & aft.. rounded cabin top.. it was a 1984
Just got done sailing the Bayfield Race week aboard a C&C Landfall 38. What’s interesting is it was fast, but could not point well with it’s shoal draft keel. Now I’m itching to sail on one with a deeper keel.
I know someone with a Newport 41, and someone with a Baltic 39. Both have the molded-in C&C cove stripe.
I have always loved C&Cs. I grew up sailing the south shore of Lake Ontario so I became very familiar with them. I have been told that some of the later versions did not have the same build quality. But a Landfall 38-43, 41 K/C or a 43 that was not built as a strait race boat are on my list when the time comes. The only issue with C&Cs from a cruising perspective is that the tend to be deep draft. Like over 6 foot/ 2 meters. That would rule out large portions of the Exumas. But otherwise they sail like scalded cats. So I agree they are great boats. Might own one myself one day.
I’ve have a mk1 1973 that in renovating or upgrading me too I can’t wait to go sailing
For 33 years from 1974, I sailed on Lake Ontario. We saw more C&C’s they were so popular. One day we were cruising along And Evergreen (mentioned here) pulled up beside us to race unfortunately for them we just ripped past her. Evergreen skipper was doing everything to beat us, trimming sails etc. with no avail. Our Yacht: Bernice, 1916 George Owen design P class yawl. In her time fastest on Lake Ontario.
Thank you for sharing your videos.
Great video on C&C but I’ll admit I’m a little biased! I had read a little about C&Cs when first looking at boats but when I found and bought our C&C 33-2 I really didn’t appreciate what I was getting. I’ve found they’ve got quite the reputation and I’m always getting compliments on the boat wherever we go. It’s pretty cool having stumbled into such rich sailing history!
Thank you very much for shareing! love all your videos, hope one day I can sail the world
I owned a 42 foot, C&C designed aluminum boat built in 1968 (the year I was married) in Toronto. I was told it was the original design for the 42 ft Redline serries., but I don't kinow for sure. It was an aluminum hull with fiberglass skin to fair it out. It raced in Lake Ontario untill the rules changed and it was not cometitive any more. It was bought by a couple from Ottowa and sailed through the Carribean. I bought it from them and also sailed in the Caribean for 5 years. As you said in another video, IOR boatse are not the most comfortable cruising boats.
Cool Canadian history! Sadly a day after the Leafs lost against the Canadiens in the playoffs yesterday again. Nice to hear that Canada used to make some good stuff back in the day. I wish we could say the same these days. :/
My Newport 28 is a C&C design, quite fond of her.
Yeah boy, C&C! Love our ’85 35-3.
I have only seen one C&C it was the only boat not sold at the Florida insurance auction that week. I was transporting boats back then. I I thought as nice as it looked it would sale fast. However it never got a opening bid. So I loaded up that day with a massive magnum if I recall. hauled it to New Jersey and their picked up to be rebuilt and took 47' wooden sail boat back to GA.
We almost wound up in a C&C 27 for our previous boat, but the deck had gone soft, and we found a Grampian Discovery 7.9 with more equipment and no soft spots for the same money.
A cored hull, honestly, is a deal breaker for me, which eliminates an awful lot of old C&C's. Even if the core is in good shape.
I had an older 36 ‘ the core was wet, because it goes all the way to the keel. It actually got wet from bilge water.
Also they should be stored on a cradle, other wise the keel will push up into the hull.
Thanks, nice history lesson. I am a happy owner of a 1974, 35, mark II. She sails pretty.
I sail a 1990 C&C 34+ on Lake Huron. It is a great sailing boat, so balanced and fast in all conditions. Rob Ball designed this boat and many other C&C boats. I think this was the last boat model, although various versions, designed by him and built before the fire that wiped them out.
A small technical note, some C&C designed boats also share the star on the Hull. I have an Ontario 32 that has it.
Wow I am looking for a cruiser I just finished watching your video what not to buy I enjoyed it I presently Cruise in a small motor vessel diesel power and I've been sort of looking toward a sailboat I learned how to sail with my father many years ago oh did I mention I was born in Canada I'm 62 years old been in Florida since I was 2 years old because my father left Canada when they shut down AVRO and scraped the arrow Black Friday is what in Canada it was known as back in the day . Now I know why the C&C is always caught my eye
I know this boat he speaks of. It's beautiful.
I owned a C an C Landfall 43 a great boat!