"A boxer with great footwork could avoid low kicks and takedowns" I can't even remember how many times i heard that, like Khabib would say this is nº 1 bullsh*t in the world
I agree a boxer would lose 9 out of 10 times in a MMA fight....but I don't agree with Joe that boxing technique as far as striking wouldn't work in the UFC....it most certainly would expect for inside fighting.....but distance and counter striking like Marquez would definitely work.....there just hasn't been that level of a striker in UFC.....but it's not fair to say ether bcus boxers only work on striking......MMA fighters have to punch,kick , elbow, grapple, wrestle, jiu jitsu and other aspects of fighting......they can't master it all
@@ChromeTecNina Well noticed. Talks like a secret gay who wants to sound like he's a confident macho enough to acknowledge sexy guys. But blows his cover time after time, talking on end about dicks.
@Peter Connell Hm, usually if you admit to yourself that a lady's attractive, that automatically implies sexual attractiveness, I guess. Of course you can admit a guy's attractive perfectly without being gay, but you probably don't understand what's being discussed here. It's most weird SYSTEMATIC behavior by Rogan who regularly discusses guy's dicks, makes dick jokes abundantly for no reason, and generally behaves along those gay lines - which would make such admissions by him even more fitting into that context. People are saying exactly that. But you need to watch his podcasts to understand that.
Wtf Ronnie. Where the fuck did that come from? You been hitting the sauce? Wrestlers are trained to stop takedowns. That’s what wrestling is. Did you forget how sports work for a minute there?
@@lazerbeamspewpew4728 bruh the sport isn't called "striking" it's called "boxing" I'm not a dogmatic boxer but that's their sport. our fav sport (MMA) doesn't allow head butts but that's part of lethwei striking so ours isn't the most real form of _striking_ as well.
Click on video to hear thoughts on mma vs boxing. Of course I’m going to get Joe googling pictures of jacked dudes and talking about pierced belly buttons.
Well James toney got first round finished , Conor McGregor went ten rounds and might I remind you Conor won the first three rounds while Floyd played rope a dope
As a boxer, I'd like to add my piece: I think we have some of the best strikes in martial arts, now I have many friends in my gym who watch and love MMA, and we can't really compare with other martial arts that use other forms of strikes: elbows, palm-strikes, kicks, backfists, etc. I'm fully aware that you can't take a boxing into the octagon, it's the same outcome as getting any MMA fighter and putting the guy in the ring with boxing rules. I've been kicked in the leg before, that hurt like a motherfucker, boxers can do little to nothing against a kick or a grapple unless we have some background in other martial arts, we're fully aware of that. I'm pretty sure if an MMA fighter went against a boxer using nothing but strikes, no kicks or grappling, you're bound to have a hard time.
Like Jeff said, its not a fair fight if you have take away options from a fighter while the other fighter can use his/her entire arsenal. Fact is that boxers are incomplete fighters when you look at the overall picture and not just striking. Even in striking, they are incomplete as they can't kick and can be kept at a distance with kicks. As Joe said, a few hard low kicks to the legs and suddenly your footwork is not the same anymore. However, once a boxer connects, its damn difficult to keep up lol. You guys hit brutally hard!
@@GoreDios "Boxing is the sport of punching , MMA is the sport of fighting" -Joey Rogey Which is the "best" is entirely based on the ruleset. IMO the best study of pure hand strikes is clearly boxing, there are no other things to consider such as, kicks, knees, elbows and most of all TAKEDOWNS. Inversely, the "best" study of pure leg strikes could arguably be Tae kwon do because there are no punches to the head or TAKEDOWNS. The "Best" study of strikes with arms and legs is muay thai also bc they don't have to worry about takedowns. Some could argue kickboxing, silat but idk. One could say the best ground fighting is Brazilian or Japanese Jiu Jit Su because of submissions, but then there's also wrestling and and outlier of judo where its just takedowns and no ground fighting. The game ultimately changes when takedowns, AND groundfighting is allowed. The closest ive seen to an almost zero ruleset is Sambo, Valey Two Toe ; ) and then theres a weird outlier of Lethwei where the art of 9 limbs allowing headbutts exist from Myanmar/Berma neighboring Thailand. Its a wild world out there and Im glad that we're around to see a competitive form of martial arts with a very limited ruleset (MMA) take place on a global scale. Sensai seth and Ramsay Dewey have a great vid on if MMA is a style or just a ruleset. PRIDE was cool and ONE Championship still allows soccer kicks and any leg strikes to the head of a grounded opponent, which would make Khabib's reign not be as dominant IMO. There are lots of times where you could sprawl and knee the fuck out of a person shooting and its game over. Anyways COVID has me bored AF, can you tell? lol Merry Chrimbus Everyone!
One big factor in me not enjoying MMA as much as I do for boxing is because adding this kind of shit into boxing would dilute the quality, like it does for MMA. striking generally is poor in MMA, it's hard to be a big boxing fan and watch those MMA guys throw poor quality shots.
@@john-wick101 you're looking at in a strictly boxing lense when in actuality, it's like comparing apples to oranges. It's like Joe said, most of the technique in a pure boxer would not work in MMA. You'd never see a guy in mma set up strikes like Lomachenko, Hearns, Ali , Duran, Sugar Ray or any of the other great punchers because the positioning wouldn't work. "Poor quality" is only correct if you throw those guys into a boxing match. Guarantee 99% of boxers couldn't throw a kick that's near the same quality in technique as Stephen Thompson or Edson Barbosa but again, that's comparing apples to oranges so it's a moot point
@@rams81rule I completely agree and I understand why they wouldn't take a boxers stance etc, I'm not saying their wrong for what their doing entirely though I do find it hard to watch folk who are labeled as punchers in a fight but in reality their punching ain't great, infact it's not great at all. I can watch the likes of h.holmes though, she has the qualities that I'm speaking about.
@Martin Nielsen I didn't say he didn't hit hard. I just said in general MMA folk don't have the quality of shots im used to seeing and it makes me struggle to have the same urge to watch it. Particularly when it's two stand up punchers. P.s. the reem has been KO'd like 13 times so maybe he should improve the quality of his defence 🤗😉
Nah, I think she's right. Just speaking generally, many MMA fights are stand up fights. Some kicking but not a whole lot. Mostly boxing and some clinch work. If you control distance and tee someone off with crisp punches you can KO a lot of people.
@@davidolmos6335 They still need to have some understanding of grappling like takedown defense, reversals and escapes. Boxing tools are hell damn important, you can make someone talking to themselves, but you have to crosstrain to be a successful fighter. Actually the statement about the footwork and the jab apply more to the street fights(although it's not worth it, fuck this shit), because they happen super fast and having some boxing basics are enough to save your ass and go home safe :)
Damn, what Joe said in the first minute was straight up what happened last weekend with Izzy vs Costa. Izzy just kicked the shit out of him from a distance and never allowed Paulo to get going. Kinda crazy.
That's some of the stupidest crap I've ever heard. Of course boxing can defend itself against wrestling. Ever silly. And the thai stance is most susceptible to takedowns. You have no idea what you're talking about. Go learn some stuff and then talk
I am an MMA convert. I used to go to a shitty kickboxing club that couldn't be arsed to teach us takedowns and groundwork and made MMA look like an enemy style. We only learned takedowns and groundwork after black belt- I'm glad I did judo and ju jitsu separately. Even the Japanese ju jitsu demonised MMA but results speak for themselves- early UFC was dominated by grapplers and Randy/Chuck brought in striking. MMA is more humble than 'traditional' martial arts.
yeh it terms of a guy thats like almost all wrestling and grappling like khabib vs a guy thats mainly striking the wrestler wins like over 90% of the time but then you have people that are world class everywhere and at putting it all together like woodley,romero,whittaker,jones,cormier,dillashaw and a few more
I would still say wrestlers would beat boxers in MMA. The guys at the top of the mma game right now like Cormier, Cejudo, Askren, Woodley all have wrestling backgrounds.
How many mma fighters have a boxing background to the same degree as those you listed with wrestling? Im guessing you could count it all in one hand. That’s what’s so skewed about it. I’m willing to bet things would be different if the roles were switched.
A boxer who doesn't even learn how to defend a takedown or leg kicks will not last in the cage. The sweet spot for me is an excellent boxer, proficient on the ground (Jiujitsu or wrestling), and a good understanding in defending and throwing low kicks. Honestly, the way boxers manage distance and the high percentage of knockouts that come from their skillset is not something you can dismiss.
I trained mma for years with a wrestling backround our locall MMA gym closed down so i went to our local boxing gym to train who had a rivalry with the mma gym. Theyd always josh me for my striking saying it wasnt great. Somebody at the gym who was a high level boxer said hed be impossible to take down and hed just do "x" or "y" if somebody tried. Then the other boxers said i should try to take him down we both agreed. I took him down over and over and over with ease. Id throw a jab for his guard to go up then go for the single. Id throw a 1-2 then go in for the body lock. He had 0 answers.
Joe I’m a little confused. There was a show you did with Eddie bravo and you were both saying boxing will beat any black belt striker hands down. Was that just in a street fight you were referring to? So there’s that much of a significant difference between a tournament/cage match vs street fighting ????
There are so many UFC fighters that use boxing. Literally there are so many clips of Rogan saying Nate and Nick are some of the best boxers in the UFC. If you watch the most recent Max Holloway and Kalvin Katar fight you see max using excellent boxing and even working the body with the punches very well. He even screamed at the commentator team that he is the best boxer in the UFC. Boxing is very useful in MMA. Obviously it will be a bit different than in a boxing ring cuz there are so many other styles and factors but still very useful especially against another striker
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Kermit Cintron would run through 145 in MMA. Boxers cut weight better than anyone. Strike better than anyone. And if they have a wrestling background it's over for MMA.
Wtf boxers do not cut weight better than anyone?? They cut only a few pounds generally. This kings of cutting weight are wrestlers and mma fighters. Tf are you talking about?
I do boxing and I'm pretty sure boxers can't throw spinning backfists is either because you cant purposally turn your back to them and also you have to hit them with a certain part of your fist which a spinning backfist probably wouldnt
Spinning backfist is devastating, major weakness to any spinning move is you only have to touch the outside shoulder to stop any spinning move dead you are now behind in perfect position to choke out. We had a local guy from my home town who used spinning backfist as trademark but he launched it very tight and close in while most use it to cover distance. The Crawf was able to knock out first round many times until he was known for this move. My favourite move but you have to be careful about how to sneak it in as any spinning move can be exploited. czcams.com/video/pYPMMRy09Tk/video.html
A great jab... I’ve heard so many boxers say you can stop a takedown with a good jab. It’s fucking ridiculous. Imagine a boxer with no take down defense trying to stop a takedown with a jab and footwork in a cage against Khabib. Jabs are effective to keep distance but it’s coming from boxers who get split up every time they start hugging in the ring. There’s no breaks like that in mma. If a jab an footwork worked no one would learn how to sprawl 🤦🏽♂️
Are you implying that Mcgregor is a good striker with good tactics? There are teenage boxers in the US with better boxing than Mcgregor; he’s not some top level striker. His striking is only good for an MMA fighter, and that’s it
@@karangtavana1283 "He's not some top level striker" yeah ok keep believing that. The reality is Mcgregor would not be who he is if he didn't have a mastery of boxing fundamentals. Don't overlook someone's talents just to confirm your beliefs.
@@karangtavana1283 well yeah he’s an mma fighter...his striking isn’t solely boxing. same reason boxers have to learn kicks in mma along with everything else. boxing is good for boxing but you need more in mma. i am in no way saying boxing is useless in mma it’s a big part. but boxing is only a fraction of what is used in mma
@@karangtavana1283 I don’t really like Mcgreggor but in my opinion he has good tactics. Mcgreggor does a lot of striking and counter strikes, I feel like mcgreggor could stand a chance with a boxer in the ring other than Mayweather.
Kickboxing I would say at least. Boxing for sure to use techniques in hands of course. Wrestling tough and boxing I can say work fine though to transition into mma.
Israel Adesanya proves her point. A world class kickboxer, taught take down defense and is steamrolling through MMA. You get a great boxer or kickboxer and teach them wrestling for a few years and you will see someone with a huge edge.
@OG BamBam GO im sure she would agree that the striking in kickboxing is still so far advanced compared to usual mma fighters. its just a different level of finesse. Boxing/ Kickboxing, both have huge advantage
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I dont know about that ... I think the mma fighter would ultimately win.. simply because he has so much more at his disposal, esp. the leg kicks. I will say one thing though, that mma fighter better not let that boxer get inside and connect cuz he's going down.... Boxers get paid to do one thing, Throw punches and nobody does it better...
@Ivan Ringle What I mean about my comment is once a boxer is able to defend takedowns or get skills in the grappling area, they mostly dictate where the fight will take place (dependingif they are the better wrestlerin that fight). And once its in the stand up realm they have a better chance say than a kickboxer based on how both martial arts defend. In kboxing (or more muay thai...I think) they rather block than get out the way, while boxing has slips etc. Also muay thai/kickboxing (except for dutch style) has a really slow start and is not known for pressuring opponents. Boxers also have strong legs so checking kicks is another skill they can pick up easier than wrestling.
j00 We all know you only mouth off on the internet because you can't fight in real life. You should delete your comment before your parents see it, little one
I think It would be more exciting if they would be able to spinning back fist Superman punch and also hammer fist as long as it it only with your hands wouldn’t it still be considered boxing
When a boxer faces a wrestler it depends on the individual fighting each other a jab and footwork can beat some wrestlers but some wrestlers could deal with the jab easily
I mean tbh it’s not that unbelievable just for an example Uriah Hall on TUF didn’t even know the difference in the types of kicks. He referred to a crescent kick as a front kick
I don't necessarily agree with Joe on the 1st point he made about about Jon Jones. A boxer who has great defense and who can avoid a hand coming straight at them down the pipe will have a great chance of seeing a kick coming especially as kicks are more likely to be telegraphed. I agree though that if you eat a few it's considerably going to slow you down and someone with a good ground game gets you on the floor then it's night night time. But in the end, I'd say that as straight up amateurs if a very average level MMA fighter fought a boxer if the same average skill set then I believe the MMA fighter has a greater chance unless the boxer utilises his greatest friend, the jab to keep him far away enough that he can't land a punch but close enough that he can't get a decent kick
Boxers wouldn’t be able to see kick coming from a guy like Jones because they wouldn’t know how to read it. Boxers are used to watching your upper body. You really think they’ll be able to quickly see a leg kick coming or a headkick?!
@@itsyourboy7150 A fighter cannot allow his eyes to wander at all. A boxer or any fighter finds a place to concentrate and that way reads the full body. As a boxer I am always trying to work out where my opponent is putting his feet to read his possible intentions so yes we do know how to read feet. I have been training since I was 4 in both boxing and karate and also sparred very much with mauy Thai boxers to practice my movement and for them to get used to high punching rate pressure. I have also trained a lot at my friends MMA gym and although I'm no MMa fighter my knowledge of kicks and handwork especially combined is very high.
@@woden_the_wanderer but that’s the thing. You have that experience. When you have no experience but boxing it’s gonna be very hard for a regular boxer to be able to read and time a leg kick or a calf kick that’s incoming. Maybe even a body or a head. They’re not used to looking for things like that. Put a boxer with a guy that can leg kick the shit out of you and it’s game over son
@@woden_the_wanderer blocking or checking a kick isnt that simple. You dont know if that kick is gonna be to the calf thigh body or head. You NEED kickboxing or muay thai experience theres no other way around it if you are a pure boxer. Saying otherwise is quite disrespectful to the sport of mma
MMA is purely a clean street fight that involves technique and because it is like a street fight it won’t be easy surviving the cage just staying pure to one art which is why you have to be pretty much a jack of all trades. Boxing is great but MMA is reality when it comes to Martial Arts in a full hand to hand combat fight
You're wrong. Boxing is a sport. Mma is a sport. Mma is not real combat. As the old UFC slogan used to read, the UFC is, "As real as it gets." If you were allowed to kick and knee downed opponents, do you think BJJ guys would do well when they pull guard? If 10-6 elbows were allowed in UFC, do you think people would shoot for takedowns and risk being killed or paralyzed from elbows to the back of the head, neck, and spine? I love the sport of mma, but you fanboys are delusional.
@f3mcell he’s talking about when your fighting in the cage, plus not to mention alot of grapplers know how to take people down without going down with them
@@carlosthekaratekid6632 Muay thai depending on who is teaching it is sometimes too upright and "stiff" for MMA, lacking head movement and also sometimes their hands arent the most crisp. Again, it depends whos teaching it though, its usually the more traditional places (particularly in Thailand itself) that has those shortcomings. The western MT places often adapt more. As for BJJ, the lack of gi, lack of rashguard and addition of striking changes the ground game so much. Its hard to maintain a grip especially as the fight goes on and people sweat, its also a lot more dangerous to give up position in search of some fancy sub attempt. Top control is a lot more important and you need to keep things basic, high percentage and risk free -stuff like Americanas from side control or simply getting in their guard, posturing up and raining the hammers down.
That being said, you could also say that many elite mma fighters should learn how to throw punches more effectively without putting themselves in a vulnerable place
There’s a reason gsp jab destroyed the welterweights for a brief period by then Freddie roach said gsp was really adapting boxing and I think if mma fighters take the time to learn the jab they cud be much more effective
A great jab is underrated! Especially if big guys use it well. Imagine Brock, trying to take down Larry Holmes. No way! He would get jabbed, 600 times!
Look this is a ridiculous statement as far as I am concerned and that is my opinion. I'm sorry if it offends. But Mike Tyson wasn't just your average pro boxer for one. And 2 look at the discipline in training from my time of professional boxing to how these UFC MMA Fighters train and behave while not in the ring. They have jobs they drink they party they have sex and their training consist of what they can do in public gyms. my hero Mike Tyson is a bad example of this considering the second half of his career but during the cus D'Amato days especially it was nothing but training and maintaining the upmost physical condition for fighting. He didn't even have sex for like 5 years. And the money and talent that went into his conditioning is something we have yet to see in the MMA. But I understand where you're coming from considering what I have seen from professional boxing lately. As I said the McGregor vs Mayweather fight signified the end of professional boxing to me. That was nothing more than an expedition to get the most money out of the viewers pockets and I am appalled by it.
You really got to do at least a little bit of research into how Pro MMA fighters train man. Because your description of how you think they train simply isn't accurate at all. Their training is serious and disciplined as all hell
Lolol. Would you like some videos of your boys? Truly disgraceful ones. I could link you to some right here on CZcams. We could start with your old Champion O'Connor Drunk screaming at a bus. Or his pathetic attempt to even just stand in the ring with a boxer and throw punches until he tired himself out. He couldn't even walk by the eighth round and Mayweather was just letting him swing even turned his back a few times instead of hitting him back and ending the fight when it should have ended. Your Champion could barely walk without even being hit lol. And I can go all the way back to the days of Tank Abbott. Do you even know what discipline is? if you're going to make claims that are so Farfetch'd you should at least add some kind of reference or research as you put it. Plus your boys have jobs to go to when they're not performing. Like working at the WWE where they belong. Wait no I have more respect for the WWE. But please send me videos of the couple of instances that you think your untalented Fighters are training harder or more then professional boxers and tell me that makes you right. Your sport is a joke when you compare it's discipline to professional boxing. Research STFU. I have a feeling you're one step away from telling me to educate myself about someone's narrative. God even their fans are a joke. Thanks for the laugh. Oh by the way guess what martial art Bruce Lee hero to a lot of MMA kids had the most respect for. I'll give you a hint it wasn't jiu jitsu.
@@m_js5709 I apologize as soon as I woke up I turned on CZcams and was notified of a reply that didn't agree with me so I acted like a fool. Not that any of the info was wrong except for the insulting parts. I only insult myself when acting like that. I do hopefully respectfully disagree and I hope you can agree that our difference of opinions is not the end-all be-all of what we are. Comments implying or inferring someone's lack of integrity in research knowledge or Etc. Is an insult and should not just be bandied about because you're talking to a computer screen. It is not a good way to start informative debate that might lead to both of our enlightenment. In fact I apologize to all of CZcams for acting like a schmuck. I am not one of these Millennials that believe apologies and asking for understanding is wrong. so please take my apology as sincere. I also ask for your understanding though I don't claim to deserve either. I'm a pretty miserable person in a lot of pain and not much time left in a world that I hate. Believe it or not no one's perfect and these things can sway ones View. Bad thing can give You a case of the I don't give a fuks but at least I understand that it is not right to be so inconsiderate to others. I will delete both these comments upon your reply and please have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Shalom
Spinning backhands alone against a boxer dont work too well, trust me, had a 3 minute match against a bigger guy than me wearing only bag mitts and he was trying spinning backhands, by the time he had spun around id already hit him 2 or 3 times, including in the back of the head which is rather dangerous, he was a bleeding mess by the end, guess it depends on the skill level though.
For all the casual MMA fans out there, who think they like MMA because its like a street fight, forget it! You've never been in real street fights then, MMA doesnt directly translate to a street fight, real self defense is where its at. Kickboxing is the most dynamic and action packed combat sport in terms of stand up competition, yes, a level above MMA.
Boxing footwork will do absolutely nothing for you in an actual fight with an mma fighter 😂. As a boxer who transitioned into bjj and muay thai I realized footwork in boxing only works in boxing. If you get an mma fighter coming at you with a takedown, your footwork and Jab won't do shit to stop him
In an actual fight, you don’t necessarily have to be in a cage/ring. So if you attempt to take down a boxer in….let’s say a parking lot, they’re going to fuck you up with accurate, precise strikes. It’s easier to land a punch than a kick. They will simply retreat and pick their shots. Possibly even knock you out. But to your defense, wrestling and boxing are the oldest forms of martial arts so I’m pretty sure wrestling has its benefits as well.
@@0Yunggunna disagree, boxers are not used to takedowns and a person who does jot know how to defend against a submission is going to lose badly. The kickboxer can keep the distance as the low kicks are going to chop them up. Boxers are not used to kicks or takedown’s. On the other hand an mma fighter that knows bjj will eat a few punches but they will easily control the boxers body. A boxer vs an mma fighter will get either strangled or knocked out with a kick.
My dream would be to see Jack Dempsey in an MMA fight. Street fighter before professional boxer....he is the most violent boxer I've ever seen....Tyson wanted to be him.
Jason Donoe what about when Ray Mercer a former professional boxer and Olympic gold medalist boxer knocked out Tim Sylvia? Remember when Mercer knocked him out and Sylvia was a former UFC heavyweight champion
My Kung Fu San Soo instructor was a boxer first I'm not a big fan of Kung Fu San Soo but it was the first martial art I took and I always knew there was something missing it's sort of a situational pre choreographed form self-defense the idea is good but it doesn't necessarily do the trick therefore you don't really see it that often anymore nobody really has dojos there in San Soo with that being said my instructor Grand Master Bill Lassiter who was a boxer before he was a Kung Fu Fighter if that means anything said this quote"what if I told you that you were going to get into a fight with me and you are only allowed to punch to the front of the face side of the face front of the body side of the body you can't punch to the back of the head of the groin you can't use elbows or headbutts kicks or needs to can't throw gouge bite use any weapons even if you can pick something up and swing it you don't necessarily know what you're doing even though people say anyone could just pick something up and hit someone with it it still takes skill just like learning how to fight with your hands using a weapon so what if I told you that you can't come up from behind me you can't back hand me back fist me you can't choke me or any of these things but if you get into a fight with me I can do all those things to you"here's the thing boxing definitely works in fighting definitely but regardless of whether it works or not I would hate to be just a boxer never training against a leg kick a head kick and need an elbow whether you think you're on one leg for a short period of time or not can get you caught if you don't know how to enter into fight into a kick someone kicking at you if you've never had that thrown at you cuz you're a boxer you don't necessarily know what you're doing like the gentleman here that reply to my comment he's absolutely correct but he's also an MMA fighter so he knows what he's doing but when a boxer who only does boxing who's never done any martial art ever just boxing encounters any other type of conflict towards them being a kick to the Head they don't know what they're doing but never seen it it's just the way it is and if it wasn't such a bad deal then Floyd Mayweather would have no problem jumping into an MMA fight cuz boxing would be better when I see a fight with a boxer winning it's because it's face-to-face if a boxer is pulling money out of his ATM you can't Jab if he's laying down at the beach soaking up some sun where's that left hook to the body when someone tries to kick in not going to work regardless of what anybody says boxing only works under boxing rules most of the time yes it works in a street fight against people who don't know how to box but it does not work against someone who has other forms of fighting experience weather and even though I respect gent said he's an MMA fighter but if he wasn't an MMA fighter he would not know what's going on if you're a pure boxer you're always going to be at a loss always going to walk into a kick when you least expect it true story when I was boxing and I ducked at double dose Muay Thai and in Fontana California Brian dobler turned to me and asked me to Duck first thing that happened you need me in the face don't Bob and weave at Muay Thai fighter it's just the way it is it's just the way it is
Mike Tyson would have walked through the MMA, UFC, or any of the other pit or cage fighting circuits without breaking a sweat. Also Mayweather versus O'Connor was the biggest joke I've ever seen and signifyd the fall of boxing to me.
@@iamthelizardking6239 I call bullshit. You better come up with references you expect people to believe that kind of nonsense. If I can't look it up I damn sure don't believe no CZcamsr
A great boxer with strong legs and a decent takedown defence could whipe out the entire U.F.C division he's in, the level, power in the hands, speed and body movement (legs, body and head) that an elite boxer has is the peak of striking. I think an elite boxer could even beat an elite kickboxer
A perfect example is the fight between Mayweather and the Japanese youngster who got stuffed up and against McGregor. I bet neither of these fights would have happened if either had insisted on being able to kick Mayweather in the head.. Just as Mayweather humiliated the youngster I'm pretty sure the youngster would have done the reverse had he been allowed to do his thing.
I myself am mostly a boxer that used to talk down about BJJ and stuff like that, but then I watched one of Joe Rogan's podcast clips about "boxing vs mma" or One about "BJJ" and one of the other guys in the podcast said people prefer the "dumb" way of fighting(I.E Punching it out), instead of the "smart way" with mma and BJJ. After that and I wee bit more research on BJJ and mma and I realized finally why I talked down about mma, it wasn't because of hating, heck no, I love Karate, kickboxing, offensive MA. I think like "if you can't beat someone with your own strength then you're a p*$$y" and that equated to me thinking punching and kicking only, and that grappling and pinning and all that was a p*$$y thing to do. Now It was as the guy in the podcast said, "people prefer the dumb way of fighting" which was how I preferred fighting. Smart, but not the smartest or quickest way of it. Now I have more respect for BJJ & grappling (wrestling sucks tho). Now I might be doing a BJJ class in the near future. Thank you Joe Rogan and CZcams.
Shes right...think about it....you NEVER see a boxer at hes peak against a MMA ore muay thai fighter. Its always 20 years after he stop boxing and 40 pounds heavier. its a ridiculously big difference between a really good boxer and the very best of them (top 10) and they have nothing to prove anyway.
They always have these old retired boxers fight kickboxers or MMA'rs . Boxers in their prime ( the good ones ) would not waste their time with that circus because they fight for peanuts. Vince Phillips was washed-up ex champ when he fought Masato
It's not just which is better but also which they train for. If a boxer trained against a striker, and a striker trained against a boxer it'd be more fair
Shockingly, people who train for a sport are better at it than people who don't.
Lol. Totally. Well said.
It's a myth.
Fascinating.
You might be right
Its truly sad but casual boxing/mma fans actually believe that somebody from their sport could crossover and compete with the best in the other.
I'm sure she's a great striker, but I'd prefer to see her box.
Lol
This is gold
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah, her head bobbin must be phenomenal, because she took zero shots to the face!
WWWWW
"A boxer with great footwork could avoid low kicks and takedowns" I can't even remember how many times i heard that, like Khabib would say this is nº 1 bullsh*t in the world
Let Khabib fight Canelo Alvarez and see if he can take a shot to the liver.
@@bull419 In boxing or MMA?
she's not wrong, but it definitely wouldn't work most the time that is for sure
@@bull419 can canelo.stop a takedown before he lands on khabib is the question
I agree a boxer would lose 9 out of 10 times in a MMA fight....but I don't agree with Joe that boxing technique as far as striking wouldn't work in the UFC....it most certainly would expect for inside fighting.....but distance and counter striking like Marquez would definitely work.....there just hasn't been that level of a striker in UFC.....but it's not fair to say ether bcus boxers only work on striking......MMA fighters have to punch,kick , elbow, grapple, wrestle, jiu jitsu and other aspects of fighting......they can't master it all
Joe "you're not in sexyamas presence" Rogan
Hilarious
@MUFC I'm gonna assume there are deleted comments
@@jarrettlowery2802 no he just really likes soccer
@@jarrettlowery2802 he pastes the same comment everywhere
Came into this video to hear joes thoughts on different striking. 2 min in and all I’ve seen is these 2 talk about sexy Asian men
😂
Truly the Joe Rogan experience
Very jre
"Jamie pulling up sexy Japanese warriors " should be the title.
More of a 'pulling out' in my opinion.
Joe Rogan, after praising the attractiveness of two males, called a dude having a belly button piercing gay. 😂😂😂
Joe Rogan is suspect as hell. He spends so much time talking about male bodies it's ridiculous
@@ChromeTecNina
Well noticed. Talks like a secret gay who wants to sound like he's a confident macho enough to acknowledge sexy guys. But blows his cover time after time, talking on end about dicks.
@@maladetts Lol you can't recognize when a guy is attractive? Talk about insecure.
@@getasimbe
Like, attractive sexually and genitalia-wise to you, as in when you're gay? Talk about closets.
@Peter Connell
Hm, usually if you admit to yourself that a lady's attractive, that automatically implies sexual attractiveness, I guess. Of course you can admit a guy's attractive perfectly without being gay, but you probably don't understand what's being discussed here. It's most weird SYSTEMATIC behavior by Rogan who regularly discusses guy's dicks, makes dick jokes abundantly for no reason, and generally behaves along those gay lines - which would make such admissions by him even more fitting into that context. People are saying exactly that. But you need to watch his podcasts to understand that.
Footwork and a jab alone is not nearly enough to stop a takedown.
Nohb'dy 11 it’s literally the only thing that stops a takedown. Lol
Ronnie Reeves ever heard of takedown defends/grappling? Lol
Defence’
@@ronniereeves114 _literally_ the only thing that stops a takedown? you must be joking right?
Wtf Ronnie. Where the fuck did that come from? You been hitting the sauce?
Wrestlers are trained to stop takedowns. That’s what wrestling is.
Did you forget how sports work for a minute there?
why no spinning backfist in boxing? if you cant see your shot it could easily land forearm or elbow
You re right
Its illegal
What a bunch of Pussies. Just do it.. It's a part of STRIKING!!!!
@@lazerbeamspewpew4728 bruh the sport isn't called "striking" it's called "boxing"
I'm not a dogmatic boxer but that's their sport. our fav sport (MMA) doesn't allow head butts but that's part of lethwei striking so ours isn't the most real form of _striking_ as well.
Kael Denna nah, don’t fool your self fam. It’s striking to the purest with a lot of limitations 😭😭.
Click on video to hear thoughts on mma vs boxing. Of course I’m going to get Joe googling pictures of jacked dudes and talking about pierced belly buttons.
James Toney got lit up when he attempted MMA, Conor McGregor got lit up while trying to box Floyd, it’s fair easy concept to understand.
That Guy P a lot of mma guys forget that ray mercer ok’d Silva with one punch
James Toney got took down Randy didnt wanna exchange strikes with him. Cmon now dawg
Jahziel Cedillo yeah that’s MMA 🤦♂️
Well James toney got first round finished , Conor McGregor went ten rounds and might I remind you Conor won the first three rounds while Floyd played rope a dope
@@javiermejia8976 first 3 rounds keep off the acid
Jamie didn't searched Sexy Yama at that moment .. it was already on the other google tab
As a boxer, I'd like to add my piece: I think we have some of the best strikes in martial arts, now I have many friends in my gym who watch and love MMA, and we can't really compare with other martial arts that use other forms of strikes: elbows, palm-strikes, kicks, backfists, etc. I'm fully aware that you can't take a boxing into the octagon, it's the same outcome as getting any MMA fighter and putting the guy in the ring with boxing rules. I've been kicked in the leg before, that hurt like a motherfucker, boxers can do little to nothing against a kick or a grapple unless we have some background in other martial arts, we're fully aware of that. I'm pretty sure if an MMA fighter went against a boxer using nothing but strikes, no kicks or grappling, you're bound to have a hard time.
So you have to take away weapons from your opponent to win. What a dumpster fire of an argument.
Like Jeff said, its not a fair fight if you have take away options from a fighter while the other fighter can use his/her entire arsenal. Fact is that boxers are incomplete fighters when you look at the overall picture and not just striking. Even in striking, they are incomplete as they can't kick and can be kept at a distance with kicks. As Joe said, a few hard low kicks to the legs and suddenly your footwork is not the same anymore. However, once a boxer connects, its damn difficult to keep up lol. You guys hit brutally hard!
Muay Thai strikes are *leagues* above boxing
In my personal opinion muay thai is the best striking martial art because there are more strikes and clenching, along with more combos to use
@@GoreDios "Boxing is the sport of punching , MMA is the sport of fighting" -Joey Rogey Which is the "best" is entirely based on the ruleset. IMO the best study of pure hand strikes is clearly boxing, there are no other things to consider such as, kicks, knees, elbows and most of all TAKEDOWNS. Inversely, the "best" study of pure leg strikes could arguably be Tae kwon do because there are no punches to the head or TAKEDOWNS. The "Best" study of strikes with arms and legs is muay thai also bc they don't have to worry about takedowns. Some could argue kickboxing, silat but idk. One could say the best ground fighting is Brazilian or Japanese Jiu Jit Su because of submissions, but then there's also wrestling and and outlier of judo where its just takedowns and no ground fighting. The game ultimately changes when takedowns, AND groundfighting is allowed. The closest ive seen to an almost zero ruleset is Sambo, Valey Two Toe ; ) and then theres a weird outlier of Lethwei where the art of 9 limbs allowing headbutts exist from Myanmar/Berma neighboring Thailand. Its a wild world out there and Im glad that we're around to see a competitive form of martial arts with a very limited ruleset (MMA) take place on a global scale. Sensai seth and Ramsay Dewey have a great vid on if MMA is a style or just a ruleset. PRIDE was cool and ONE Championship still allows soccer kicks and any leg strikes to the head of a grounded opponent, which would make Khabib's reign not be as dominant IMO. There are lots of times where you could sprawl and knee the fuck out of a person shooting and its game over. Anyways COVID has me bored AF, can you tell? lol Merry Chrimbus Everyone!
I thought this was an MMA Striking vs Boxing but somehow it turned out into Masato theme and who is the sexiest japanese fighter
“They are very purists”
Matt October
The reason you cant do a spinning backfist in boxing, is because youre not allowed to turn your back.
One big factor in me not enjoying MMA as much as I do for boxing is because adding this kind of shit into boxing would dilute the quality, like it does for MMA. striking generally is poor in MMA, it's hard to be a big boxing fan and watch those MMA guys throw poor quality shots.
@@john-wick101 you're looking at in a strictly boxing lense when in actuality, it's like comparing apples to oranges. It's like Joe said, most of the technique in a pure boxer would not work in MMA. You'd never see a guy in mma set up strikes like Lomachenko, Hearns, Ali , Duran, Sugar Ray or any of the other great punchers because the positioning wouldn't work. "Poor quality" is only correct if you throw those guys into a boxing match. Guarantee 99% of boxers couldn't throw a kick that's near the same quality in technique as Stephen Thompson or Edson Barbosa but again, that's comparing apples to oranges so it's a moot point
@@rams81rule I completely agree and I understand why they wouldn't take a boxers stance etc, I'm not saying their wrong for what their doing entirely though I do find it hard to watch folk who are labeled as punchers in a fight but in reality their punching ain't great, infact it's not great at all. I can watch the likes of h.holmes though, she has the qualities that I'm speaking about.
@Martin Nielsen I didn't say he didn't hit hard. I just said in general MMA folk don't have the quality of shots im used to seeing and it makes me struggle to have the same urge to watch it. Particularly when it's two stand up punchers.
P.s. the reem has been KO'd like 13 times so maybe he should improve the quality of his defence 🤗😉
Joe “he’s got that cross hanging really low” Rogan
When she said that a boxer can win an mma fight with footwork and a jab I paused and laughed my ass off
Petr Yan.
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Nah, I think she's right. Just speaking generally, many MMA fights are stand up fights. Some kicking but not a whole lot. Mostly boxing and some clinch work. If you control distance and tee someone off with crisp punches you can KO a lot of people.
Most MMA guys don't have good footwork or a jab by boxing standards
@@davidolmos6335 They still need to have some understanding of grappling like takedown defense, reversals and escapes. Boxing tools are hell damn important, you can make someone talking to themselves, but you have to crosstrain to be a successful fighter. Actually the statement about the footwork and the jab apply more to the street fights(although it's not worth it, fuck this shit), because they happen super fast and having some boxing basics are enough to save your ass and go home safe :)
Damn, what Joe said in the first minute was straight up what happened last weekend with Izzy vs Costa. Izzy just kicked the shit out of him from a distance and never allowed Paulo to get going. Kinda crazy.
Finally some agrees that's why Israel was using those leg kicks, I had somone disagree with me on that lol
But that's not Boxing dude. That's Muay Thai. Boxing can't defend itself against Wrestling unlike Muay Thai.
That's some of the stupidest crap I've ever heard. Of course boxing can defend itself against wrestling. Ever silly.
And the thai stance is most susceptible to takedowns. You have no idea what you're talking about. Go learn some stuff and then talk
Joe “mma is better than everything humanly possible” Rogan
I am an MMA convert. I used to go to a shitty kickboxing club that couldn't be arsed to teach us takedowns and groundwork and made MMA look like an enemy style. We only learned takedowns and groundwork after black belt- I'm glad I did judo and ju jitsu separately. Even the Japanese ju jitsu demonised MMA but results speak for themselves- early UFC was dominated by grapplers and Randy/Chuck brought in striking. MMA is more humble than 'traditional' martial arts.
World class wrestler vs world class striker in mma. Wrestler will win most of the time.
I like how you used the word "most" of the time. I definitely agree with that.
yeh it terms of a guy thats like almost all wrestling and grappling like khabib vs a guy thats mainly striking the wrestler wins like over 90% of the time but then you have people that are world class everywhere and at putting it all together like woodley,romero,whittaker,jones,cormier,dillashaw and a few more
but what's more entertaining?
Adam Elizondo true, but every fight starts on the feet. Alot of the time it comes down to who is more well rounded. And who's got better cardio
Cerebral2ssasin doesn’t really matter, I’d rather be a winner than a loser
I would still say wrestlers would beat boxers in MMA. The guys at the top of the mma game right now like Cormier, Cejudo, Askren, Woodley all have wrestling backgrounds.
Khabib
ROKMC Rec. this nigga really didnt mention khabib
@@Pskinn how could i forget
@Mike Dave GSP is a striker... Karate and Muay Thai
How many mma fighters have a boxing background to the same degree as those you listed with wrestling? Im guessing you could count it all in one hand. That’s what’s so skewed about it. I’m willing to bet things would be different if the roles were switched.
A boxer who doesn't even learn how to defend a takedown or leg kicks will not last in the cage. The sweet spot for me is an excellent boxer, proficient on the ground (Jiujitsu or wrestling), and a good understanding in defending and throwing low kicks. Honestly, the way boxers manage distance and the high percentage of knockouts that come from their skillset is not something you can dismiss.
I trained mma for years with a wrestling backround our locall MMA gym closed down so i went to our local boxing gym to train who had a rivalry with the mma gym. Theyd always josh me for my striking saying it wasnt great. Somebody at the gym who was a high level boxer said hed be impossible to take down and hed just do "x" or "y" if somebody tried. Then the other boxers said i should try to take him down we both agreed. I took him down over and over and over with ease. Id throw a jab for his guard to go up then go for the single. Id throw a 1-2 then go in for the body lock. He had 0 answers.
Then everybody clapped
He probably wished for a boxing match
Who is She .... she's gorgeous
Christopher Foote why has no one answered this question in one year
Jesus Christ im trying to find out who she is too lol.... Mixed girls are fine as hell
Miriam Nakamoto. The full video is in the description.
Darude Sandstorm
Joe "no homo" Rogan.
Joe I’m a little confused. There was a show you did with Eddie bravo and you were both saying boxing will beat any black belt striker hands down. Was that just in a street fight you were referring to? So there’s that much of a significant difference between a tournament/cage match vs street fighting ????
There are so many UFC fighters that use boxing. Literally there are so many clips of Rogan saying Nate and Nick are some of the best boxers in the UFC. If you watch the most recent Max Holloway and Kalvin Katar fight you see max using excellent boxing and even working the body with the punches very well. He even screamed at the commentator team that he is the best boxer in the UFC. Boxing is very useful in MMA. Obviously it will be a bit different than in a boxing ring cuz there are so many other styles and factors but still very useful especially against another striker
I was watching this video on my tv and my brother walked in my room when they were deciding which dude looked better and he looked at me with that weird look 👀 and walked out asap😂😂😂😂
Kermit Cintron would run through 145 in MMA. Boxers cut weight better than anyone. Strike better than anyone. And if they have a wrestling background it's over for MMA.
It wouldn't be that eazy lmfao he would need alot of training
Wtf boxers do not cut weight better than anyone?? They cut only a few pounds generally. This kings of cutting weight are wrestlers and mma fighters. Tf are you talking about?
Joe "look at that beautiful man" Rogan
I do boxing and I'm pretty sure boxers can't throw spinning backfists is either because you cant purposally turn your back to them and also you have to hit them with a certain part of your fist which a spinning backfist probably wouldnt
YOU SAW A GUY WITH A PIERCED WHAT? FINISH THE STORY
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@@t.a.3475 ya like that mate
Anal wart
Spinning backfist is devastating, major weakness to any spinning move is you only have to touch the outside shoulder to stop any spinning move dead you are now behind in perfect position to choke out. We had a local guy from my home town who used spinning backfist as trademark but he launched it very tight and close in while most use it to cover distance. The Crawf was able to knock out first round many times until he was known for this move. My favourite move but you have to be careful about how to sneak it in as any spinning move can be exploited.
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A great jab... I’ve heard so many boxers say you can stop a takedown with a good jab. It’s fucking ridiculous. Imagine a boxer with no take down defense trying to stop a takedown with a jab and footwork in a cage against Khabib. Jabs are effective to keep distance but it’s coming from boxers who get split up every time they start hugging in the ring. There’s no breaks like that in mma. If a jab an footwork worked no one would learn how to sprawl 🤦🏽♂️
Imagine a world class ufc fighter with a high level of grappling prowess trying to stop Khabib’s takedown period…still hard af. Lol bad comparison 😂
Joe “Rockin Belly Rings” Rogan
The striking in UFC is generally very poor, just look at Aldo's approach and tactics against McGregor, very poor
Are you implying that Mcgregor is a good striker with good tactics? There are teenage boxers in the US with better boxing than Mcgregor; he’s not some top level striker. His striking is only good for an MMA fighter, and that’s it
@@karangtavana1283 you obviously can’t read
@@karangtavana1283 "He's not some top level striker" yeah ok keep believing that. The reality is Mcgregor would not be who he is if he didn't have a mastery of boxing fundamentals. Don't overlook someone's talents just to confirm your beliefs.
@@karangtavana1283 well yeah he’s an mma fighter...his striking isn’t solely boxing. same reason boxers have to learn kicks in mma along with everything else. boxing is good for boxing but you need more in mma. i am in no way saying boxing is useless in mma it’s a big part. but boxing is only a fraction of what is used in mma
@@karangtavana1283 I don’t really like Mcgreggor but in my opinion he has good tactics. Mcgreggor does a lot of striking and counter strikes, I feel like mcgreggor could stand a chance with a boxer in the ring other than Mayweather.
Boxing and wrestling are two basics that make all combat arts built on
Mike Shimer No
a good combination of both is good
Kickboxing I would say at least. Boxing for sure to use techniques in hands of course. Wrestling tough and boxing I can say work fine though to transition into mma.
@@TheDragonHouse also bjj
@@pavasite4278 ad that with some wrestling and you'll be a heck of a grappler
Israel Adesanya proves her point. A world class kickboxer, taught take down defense and is steamrolling through MMA. You get a great boxer or kickboxer and teach them wrestling for a few years and you will see someone with a huge edge.
Israel is a dude...
@OG BamBam GO im sure she would agree that the striking in kickboxing is still so far advanced compared to usual mma fighters. its just a different level of finesse. Boxing/ Kickboxing, both have huge advantage
No takedown defence can stop someone like Cain, or Khabib. Look what happened to JDS and Conor.
Gokan Saki was demolished by a mediocre mma fighter. Anything can happen in mma, no matter how great you are in the stand-up department.
You added the fact that they need to learn how to wrestle when she clearly (and incorrectly) said that you just need good footwork and a jab
It's crazy how so many hot chicks are becoming MMA fighters lol
When you’re a woman, have no education or skills, and don’t want to sell your genitalia, fighting is not a bad choice.
Less disgusting than having an onlyfans of any of that crap
@@Ghidorah96 i’ve never heard more wise words lol
@@Ghidorah96 buddy preaching out here 💪💪💪 I’d literally rather know that my girlfriend could beat me up instead of knowing that SHE’S NOT JUST MY GIRLFRIEND, BUT EVERYBODY’S GIRLFRIEND
Joe "I love men's bodies" Rogan. beautiful. beautiful.
Imagine trying to takedown a Mike Tyson
a high school wrestler of only 1 year could take down even a prime Mike Tyson
@@RareBreedOfCabbage moron
@@RareBreedOfCabbage not even godzilla could take down prime iron mike
@@RareBreedOfCabbage 🧢🧢🧢
I dont know about that ... I think the mma fighter would ultimately win.. simply because he has so much more at his disposal, esp. the leg kicks. I will say one thing though, that mma fighter better not let that boxer get inside and connect cuz he's going down....
Boxers get paid to do one thing,
Throw punches and nobody does it better...
Clinch, game over.
I somewhat agree. I mean if a boxer can get in close he still has to deal with elbows and clinch work.
Once a boxer knows how to wrestle they become dangerous.
Boxing is the most important adpect of fighting
@Ivan Ringle What I mean about my comment is once a boxer is able to defend takedowns or get skills in the grappling area, they mostly dictate where the fight will take place (dependingif they are the better wrestlerin that fight). And once its in the stand up realm they have a better chance say than a kickboxer based on how both martial arts defend. In kboxing (or more muay thai...I think) they rather block than get out the way, while boxing has slips etc. Also muay thai/kickboxing (except for dutch style) has a really slow start and is not known for pressuring opponents. Boxers also have strong legs so checking kicks is another skill they can pick up easier than wrestling.
Miriam Nakamoto, yes she ist cute.
name of the girl: Miriam Nakamoto
The man I was looking for
Does Jaime run this channel? EDIT: Idk if it’s spelled Jamie or not lol
@@123mcgarrigle Relax
lmao! Bro I just said Jaime with the most Mexican accent 😂😂😂
J-Me
j00 We all know you only mouth off on the internet because you can't fight in real life. You should delete your comment before your parents see it, little one
j00 I'm sure you'd love that, but I'm not into little boys that way
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Joe "I Have Storage Units in My Brain" Rogan
Joe caves instantly. "Yeah a boxer could win an MMA, unless he's really long".
Joe "do you remember" Rogan
MMA is more crazy and intense but boxing is more aesthetically pleasing
I think It would be more exciting if they would be able to spinning back fist Superman punch and also hammer fist as long as it it only with your hands wouldn’t it still be considered boxing
Those are all goofy.
I've always wanted to get into mma fighting, but how are you supposed to get amateur fights
Big Money Bundy if you train at an mma school your coaches can hook you up.
When a boxer faces a wrestler it depends on the individual fighting each other a jab and footwork can beat some wrestlers but some wrestlers could deal with the jab easily
very true, like Khabib he would take out most boxers
@@guts7958 keep dreaming
A perfect boxer would still not know how to deal with kicks
I don't know much about martial arts but instead of comparing striking with grappling shouldn't someone be at least decent in both?
Joe “calling another man beautiful eventhough he’s straight” rogan
Joe "Gorgeous Gorgeous Man" Rogan.
She doesn't know ANYBODY...
I mean tbh it’s not that unbelievable just for an example Uriah Hall on TUF didn’t even know the difference in the types of kicks. He referred to a crescent kick as a front kick
I don't necessarily agree with Joe on the 1st point he made about about Jon Jones.
A boxer who has great defense and who can avoid a hand coming straight at them down the pipe will have a great chance of seeing a kick coming especially as kicks are more likely to be telegraphed.
I agree though that if you eat a few it's considerably going to slow you down and someone with a good ground game gets you on the floor then it's night night time.
But in the end, I'd say that as straight up amateurs if a very average level MMA fighter fought a boxer if the same average skill set then I believe the MMA fighter has a greater chance unless the boxer utilises his greatest friend, the jab to keep him far away enough that he can't land a punch but close enough that he can't get a decent kick
Boxers wouldn’t be able to see kick coming from a guy like Jones because they wouldn’t know how to read it. Boxers are used to watching your upper body. You really think they’ll be able to quickly see a leg kick coming or a headkick?!
@@itsyourboy7150
A fighter cannot allow his eyes to wander at all. A boxer or any fighter finds a place to concentrate and that way reads the full body. As a boxer I am always trying to work out where my opponent is putting his feet to read his possible intentions so yes we do know how to read feet.
I have been training since I was 4 in both boxing and karate and also sparred very much with mauy Thai boxers to practice my movement and for them to get used to high punching rate pressure. I have also trained a lot at my friends MMA gym and although I'm no MMa fighter my knowledge of kicks and handwork especially combined is very high.
@@woden_the_wanderer but that’s the thing. You have that experience. When you have no experience but boxing it’s gonna be very hard for a regular boxer to be able to read and time a leg kick or a calf kick that’s incoming. Maybe even a body or a head. They’re not used to looking for things like that. Put a boxer with a guy that can leg kick the shit out of you and it’s game over son
@@woden_the_wanderer blocking or checking a kick isnt that simple. You dont know if that kick is gonna be to the calf thigh body or head. You NEED kickboxing or muay thai experience theres no other way around it if you are a pure boxer. Saying otherwise is quite disrespectful to the sport of mma
This gal is delirious 😂😂🤣
MMA is purely a clean street fight that involves technique and because it is like a street fight it won’t be easy surviving the cage just staying pure to one art which is why you have to be pretty much a jack of all trades. Boxing is great but MMA is reality when it comes to Martial Arts in a full hand to hand combat fight
You're wrong. Boxing is a sport. Mma is a sport.
Mma is not real combat.
As the old UFC slogan used to read, the UFC is, "As real as it gets."
If you were allowed to kick and knee downed opponents, do you think BJJ guys would do well when they pull guard?
If 10-6 elbows were allowed in UFC, do you think people would shoot for takedowns and risk being killed or paralyzed from elbows to the back of the head, neck, and spine?
I love the sport of mma, but you fanboys are delusional.
Joe handles situations so well, I would of been like no boxer ever can keep it standing with a experienced grappler
@f3mcell he’s talking about when your fighting in the cage, plus not to mention alot of grapplers know how to take people down without going down with them
What is boxing like?
A boxer would need great footwork and every punch in his arsenal on point. Needs to be ready to move back and throw that cross upper at all times.
I'll take boxing and basic wrestling over bjj EVERY day of the week.
why
Muay Thai and bjj is where it’s at. But nice try tho
Carlos Roja
Carlos Newton said the same thing and he was a UFC CHAMP. 👍😉
@@carlosthekaratekid6632 Muay thai depending on who is teaching it is sometimes too upright and "stiff" for MMA, lacking head movement and also sometimes their hands arent the most crisp. Again, it depends whos teaching it though, its usually the more traditional places (particularly in Thailand itself) that has those shortcomings. The western MT places often adapt more.
As for BJJ, the lack of gi, lack of rashguard and addition of striking changes the ground game so much. Its hard to maintain a grip especially as the fight goes on and people sweat, its also a lot more dangerous to give up position in search of some fancy sub attempt. Top control is a lot more important and you need to keep things basic, high percentage and risk free -stuff like Americanas from side control or simply getting in their guard, posturing up and raining the hammers down.
@@carlosthekaratekid6632 than its mma
“Yah but if you fight John Jones” like that’s an actual argument Jon beats everyone
Leo Holland he said long like Jon Jones 😂Jon Jones has one of the longest reaches in the ufc
Damen Crouse adysenya aswell
Doesn’t really matter tho, because a boxer in an MMA fight loses 99% of the time unless he’s fighting some chump mma fighter with no experience
@@shevb or if they're fighting someone much smaller
@@shevb unless he learns how to defend against kicks, knees, elbows, takedowns and submissions. Then he might do well
Masato is actually the most handsome fighter that ever graced the earth lol
Good footwork isn’t enough to stop a takedown, you’d need to be pretty proficient at takedown defence and have trained with takedowns in the equation.
That being said, you could also say that many elite mma fighters should learn how to throw punches more effectively without putting themselves in a vulnerable place
No Miriam. Footwork and a jab are not going to stop takedowns. Takedown defense helps with takedowns. James Toney found out the hard way.
Not every mma fighter does takedowns. A boxer may win against a low tier McGregor type mixed martial artist
habibbi alikafe lmao you’re a fucking idiot !!! Conors wrestling still beats any boxer in the same weight class plus his submission . HES A BROWN BELT
@@rades920 No
godbro who beats him then dumbass
Did James tooney use foot work and a jab did he? Not a very good example
Who is that?
Joe Rogan. duh
Joe can you set me up with an mma fight I am a boxer. I want to see how it would actually play out
And the reason you don’t do spinning back fist is because the lack of balance
Do you really think joes gonna see and then reply to something you said on a vid he did a while ago and then set up a fight, plus you’d get taken down
There’s a reason gsp jab destroyed the welterweights for a brief period by then Freddie roach said gsp was really adapting boxing and I think if mma fighters take the time to learn the jab they cud be much more effective
Why can’t they do a spinning back fist in boxing because it would never work Lmao
Lomochenko
I would love to him compete in mma
The Scorpion Death Drop will equalize all MMA or anything else
Joe "you don't know who Sexy Yama is??" Rogan
A great jab is underrated! Especially if big guys use it well. Imagine Brock, trying to take down Larry Holmes. No way! He would get jabbed, 600 times!
Michael Garcia Brock could take him down at will 😂
Michael Garcia a better example would be Muhammad Ali with his footwork and jab
Yep and Foreman's jab would KO brock lol
Holmes dead
Look this is a ridiculous statement as far as I am concerned and that is my opinion. I'm sorry if it offends. But Mike Tyson wasn't just your average pro boxer for one. And 2 look at the discipline in training from my time of professional boxing to how these UFC MMA Fighters train and behave while not in the ring. They have jobs they drink they party they have sex and their training consist of what they can do in public gyms. my hero Mike Tyson is a bad example of this considering the second half of his career but during the cus D'Amato days especially it was nothing but training and maintaining the upmost physical condition for fighting. He didn't even have sex for like 5 years. And the money and talent that went into his conditioning is something we have yet to see in the MMA. But I understand where you're coming from considering what I have seen from professional boxing lately. As I said the McGregor vs Mayweather fight signified the end of professional boxing to me. That was nothing more than an expedition to get the most money out of the viewers pockets and I am appalled by it.
You really got to do at least a little bit of research into how Pro MMA fighters train man. Because your description of how you think they train simply isn't accurate at all. Their training is serious and disciplined as all hell
Lolol. Would you like some videos of your boys? Truly disgraceful ones. I could link you to some right here on CZcams. We could start with your old Champion O'Connor Drunk screaming at a bus. Or his pathetic attempt to even just stand in the ring with a boxer and throw punches until he tired himself out. He couldn't even walk by the eighth round and Mayweather was just letting him swing even turned his back a few times instead of hitting him back and ending the fight when it should have ended. Your Champion could barely walk without even being hit lol. And I can go all the way back to the days of Tank Abbott. Do you even know what discipline is? if you're going to make claims that are so Farfetch'd you should at least add some kind of reference or research as you put it. Plus your boys have jobs to go to when they're not performing. Like working at the WWE where they belong. Wait no I have more respect for the WWE. But please send me videos of the couple of instances that you think your untalented Fighters are training harder or more then professional boxers and tell me that makes you right. Your sport is a joke when you compare it's discipline to professional boxing. Research STFU. I have a feeling you're one step away from telling me to educate myself about someone's narrative. God even their fans are a joke. Thanks for the laugh. Oh by the way guess what martial art Bruce Lee hero to a lot of MMA kids had the most respect for. I'll give you a hint it wasn't jiu jitsu.
@@m_js5709 I apologize as soon as I woke up I turned on CZcams and was notified of a reply that didn't agree with me so I acted like a fool. Not that any of the info was wrong except for the insulting parts. I only insult myself when acting like that. I do hopefully respectfully disagree and I hope you can agree that our difference of opinions is not the end-all be-all of what we are. Comments implying or inferring someone's lack of integrity in research knowledge or Etc. Is an insult and should not just be bandied about because you're talking to a computer screen. It is not a good way to start informative debate that might lead to both of our enlightenment. In fact I apologize to all of CZcams for acting like a schmuck. I am not one of these Millennials that believe apologies and asking for understanding is wrong. so please take my apology as sincere. I also ask for your understanding though I don't claim to deserve either. I'm a pretty miserable person in a lot of pain and not much time left in a world that I hate. Believe it or not no one's perfect and these things can sway ones View. Bad thing can give You a case of the I don't give a fuks but at least I understand that it is not right to be so inconsiderate to others. I will delete both these comments upon your reply and please have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Shalom
@@jasonhobb4520 Bruce Lee went beyond Wing Chun when he realized it wasn't enough. You're talking about when he was young(er).
I love this girl, love watching her fights
Her name please
Spinning backhands alone against a boxer dont work too well, trust me, had a 3 minute match against a bigger guy than me wearing only bag mitts and he was trying spinning backhands, by the time he had spun around id already hit him 2 or 3 times, including in the back of the head which is rather dangerous, he was a bleeding mess by the end, guess it depends on the skill level though.
For all the casual MMA fans out there, who think they like MMA because its like a street fight, forget it! You've never been in real street fights then, MMA doesnt directly translate to a street fight, real self defense is where its at.
Kickboxing is the most dynamic and action packed combat sport in terms of stand up competition, yes, a level above MMA.
Boxing footwork will do absolutely nothing for you in an actual fight with an mma fighter 😂. As a boxer who transitioned into bjj and muay thai I realized footwork in boxing only works in boxing. If you get an mma fighter coming at you with a takedown, your footwork and Jab won't do shit to stop him
In an actual fight, you don’t necessarily have to be in a cage/ring. So if you attempt to take down a boxer in….let’s say a parking lot, they’re going to fuck you up with accurate, precise strikes. It’s easier to land a punch than a kick. They will simply retreat and pick their shots. Possibly even knock you out. But to your defense, wrestling and boxing are the oldest forms of martial arts so I’m pretty sure wrestling has its benefits as well.
@@0Yunggunna disagree, boxers are not used to takedowns and a person who does jot know how to defend against a submission is going to lose badly. The kickboxer can keep the distance as the low kicks are going to chop them up. Boxers are not used to kicks or takedown’s. On the other hand an mma fighter that knows bjj will eat a few punches but they will easily control the boxers body. A boxer vs an mma fighter will get either strangled or knocked out with a kick.
@@javierdeleon8630 false, Ray Mercer knocked out Tim Sylvia (in an octagon) at that
My dream would be to see Jack Dempsey in an MMA fight. Street fighter before professional boxer....he is the most violent boxer I've ever seen....Tyson wanted to be him.
Who's the cohost?
she's unreal
Boxers would lose in mma due to grappling they already proved this in ufc 1 with gracie .
Jason Donoe what about when Ray Mercer a former professional boxer and Olympic gold medalist boxer knocked out Tim Sylvia? Remember when Mercer knocked him out and Sylvia was a former UFC heavyweight champion
Mike Dave That’s true. I’m not denying that. However, it’s been proven that a boxer can knockout an MMA fighter
FAT cat I never used “buts”
Honestly, not a fair example. I mean, the dude only used one glove, so he basically had no weapons of use lol
Don’t forget about James toney getting mauled by randy couture
My Kung Fu San Soo instructor was a boxer first I'm not a big fan of Kung Fu San Soo but it was the first martial art I took and I always knew there was something missing it's sort of a situational pre choreographed form self-defense the idea is good but it doesn't necessarily do the trick therefore you don't really see it that often anymore nobody really has dojos there in San Soo with that being said my instructor Grand Master Bill Lassiter who was a boxer before he was a Kung Fu Fighter if that means anything said this quote"what if I told you that you were going to get into a fight with me and you are only allowed to punch to the front of the face side of the face front of the body side of the body you can't punch to the back of the head of the groin you can't use elbows or headbutts kicks or needs to can't throw gouge bite use any weapons even if you can pick something up and swing it you don't necessarily know what you're doing even though people say anyone could just pick something up and hit someone with it it still takes skill just like learning how to fight with your hands using a weapon so what if I told you that you can't come up from behind me you can't back hand me back fist me you can't choke me or any of these things but if you get into a fight with me I can do all those things to you"here's the thing boxing definitely works in fighting definitely but regardless of whether it works or not I would hate to be just a boxer never training against a leg kick a head kick and need an elbow whether you think you're on one leg for a short period of time or not can get you caught if you don't know how to enter into fight into a kick someone kicking at you if you've never had that thrown at you cuz you're a boxer you don't necessarily know what you're doing like the gentleman here that reply to my comment he's absolutely correct but he's also an MMA fighter so he knows what he's doing but when a boxer who only does boxing who's never done any martial art ever just boxing encounters any other type of conflict towards them being a kick to the Head they don't know what they're doing but never seen it it's just the way it is and if it wasn't such a bad deal then Floyd Mayweather would have no problem jumping into an MMA fight cuz boxing would be better when I see a fight with a boxer winning it's because it's face-to-face if a boxer is pulling money out of his ATM you can't Jab if he's laying down at the beach soaking up some sun where's that left hook to the body when someone tries to kick in not going to work regardless of what anybody says boxing only works under boxing rules most of the time yes it works in a street fight against people who don't know how to box but it does not work against someone who has other forms of fighting experience weather and even though I respect gent said he's an MMA fighter but if he wasn't an MMA fighter he would not know what's going on if you're a pure boxer you're always going to be at a loss always going to walk into a kick when you least expect it true story when I was boxing and I ducked at double dose Muay Thai and in Fontana California Brian dobler turned to me and asked me to Duck first thing that happened you need me in the face don't Bob and weave at Muay Thai fighter it's just the way it is it's just the way it is
Joe "I train and commentate so I'm an mma vet" Rogan
Mike Tyson would have walked through the MMA, UFC, or any of the other pit or cage fighting circuits without breaking a sweat. Also Mayweather versus O'Connor was the biggest joke I've ever seen and signifyd the fall of boxing to me.
Don't u love the "woulda, and coulda" lol.
Tyson would get submitted lol.
@@iamthelizardking6239 I call bullshit. You better come up with references you expect people to believe that kind of nonsense. If I can't look it up I damn sure don't believe no CZcamsr
@@jasonhobb4520 I wouldn't doubt that a gracie said that Tyson said it. But doubt Tyson actually said it
@@iamthelizardking6239 so u didn't read it? It clearly said Tyson didn't respond
A great boxer with strong legs and a decent takedown defence could whipe out the entire U.F.C division he's in, the level, power in the hands, speed and body movement (legs, body and head) that an elite boxer has is the peak of striking. I think an elite boxer could even beat an elite kickboxer
Boxers expose their lead leg to nasty kicks.
A perfect example is the fight between Mayweather and the Japanese youngster who got stuffed up and against McGregor.
I bet neither of these fights would have happened if either had insisted on being able to kick Mayweather in the head..
Just as Mayweather humiliated the youngster I'm pretty sure the youngster would have done the reverse had he been allowed to do his thing.
I myself am mostly a boxer that used to talk down about BJJ and stuff like that, but then I watched one of Joe Rogan's podcast clips about "boxing vs mma" or One about "BJJ" and one of the other guys in the podcast said people prefer the "dumb" way of fighting(I.E Punching it out), instead of the "smart way" with mma and BJJ. After that and I wee bit more research on BJJ and mma and I realized finally why I talked down about mma, it wasn't because of hating, heck no, I love Karate, kickboxing, offensive MA. I think like "if you can't beat someone with your own strength then you're a p*$$y" and that equated to me thinking punching and kicking only, and that grappling and pinning and all that was a p*$$y thing to do. Now It was as the guy in the podcast said, "people prefer the dumb way of fighting" which was how I preferred fighting. Smart, but not the smartest or quickest way of it. Now I have more respect for BJJ & grappling (wrestling sucks tho). Now I might be doing a BJJ class in the near future. Thank you Joe Rogan and CZcams.
Following, ik "mma" is Mixed Martial Arts" so don't think I'm dumb for saying "mma or BJJ". I meant bcuz sometime all people do/know is bjj.
Shes right...think about it....you NEVER see a boxer at hes peak against a MMA ore muay thai fighter. Its always 20 years after he stop boxing and 40 pounds heavier. its a ridiculously big difference between a really good boxer and the very best of them (top 10) and they have nothing to prove anyway.
They always have these old retired boxers fight kickboxers or MMA'rs . Boxers in their prime ( the good ones ) would not waste their time with that circus because they fight for peanuts. Vince Phillips was washed-up ex champ when he fought Masato
They would get thier ass whooped easily. Also Anderson Silva beat one of the best boxers of today while he was waaaay past his prime
Strickland just best Israel using BASIC boxing tactics 😂😂😂😂😂
Dominick Cruz is pretty much a boxer that trained how to not get kicked in the legs.
This chick is cool af. Cute and sexy at the same time.
Patrick Oneal how is she cute? sure she is sexy and mature but i wouldnt call her CUTE
draculateeth I like her bone structure.
@@PvtKubaa How is she cute? Because the guy thinks she's cute. How else are you supposed to answer that?
If she lost like 20 pounds she would be way hottter
If you want to date her you have to ko her first thats what she said
I can’t believe she’s a pro and knows nothing of the history of the sports she fights in... smh 🤦♂️
It's not just which is better but also which they train for. If a boxer trained against a striker, and a striker trained against a boxer it'd be more fair
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