It is great to see a really good archer teach youth the proper techniques. I,ve been from the age of dirt, yet I still love watching all videos that are proper archery technique. Thanks for that.
Another great vid. Thank you simplifying arrow spine (‘cause it’s complicated according to ‘experts’) and for presenting the information as you do-clear and without unnecessary jargon 😊
love your videos Greg.... I find so much helpful advice .Its been many months of experimentation but a recent switch to 11/32" is getting me closer to the best arrow and I have your videos to thank for all the progress I have made in every area as an amateur archer. ......................thanks buddy
Great video. I am one of those archers who added inserts. I added 100 grains of 3/16 inch nylon line (33 inches in length) to the inside of carbon arrows. I get ~2-3 inches more penetration, and good grouping. Bearpaw slick stick longbow 55 lbs, gold tip traditional XT 400 and 500 spine. 29 inch. Long cut. 145 tip with or 150 Zwickey Eskilite broadhead. Looking forward to the next video.
Thanks for the information, I know I'll be using it to the fullest extent, I have 2 longbows, one is 70 in.long, the other is 60 in, both are in the 50 lb. weight draw, and I'm using the same carbon arrows for both bows, round 400 spine,the arrows fly great from both bows, but they need a little tuning, so I'll give it a shot, thx. Shakyjake out.
Great videos,Great channel. Very helpful. I just bare shaft tuned some new arrows for the first time. Made a world of difference. I compared my results with a dynamic spine calculator. It was right on. Now I wonder how the angle of the fletching affect arrow flight once the correct spine is found?
Your video really helped except for the fact that I'm a right-handed shooter and wasn't thinking about that so I missed a few arrows and had to go back and start the process over
A few people gave me strange looks when I kept my arrows full length. As. A beginner, I knew I would be going up in poundage. I wanted to still use the same arrows for a longer time.
Have you thought about making a video regarding how you practice? You seem to be constantly improving. It is clear that you shoot 3D almost every weekend. How much do you practice during the week? You seem to embrace trying new approaches to shooting, experimenting, which undoubtedly has helped you find what works best for you. Perhaps this would be a topic for another video. Dave Stedfast
Down the road, maybe. I only shoot twice a week. Once on Wednesday, just a practice and on Sunday, usually a 3D Shoot. The rest of the week is editing video!
In the past I have stiffened an arrow by adding weight to the rear of the shaft, hope that helps. The extra weight slows down the speed of the shaft thus the deflection reduces.
Thank you, I did a slow motion of her shooting, the arrow in all honesty stays and looks stiff , it leave the bow and it's as if the tail is trying to over take the point. I guess the physics behind it should include the newtons law of equal / opposite reaction, there appears no opposite action to the initial release flight. Now I need to find a more flexible shaft, she using the 1416, I'll try and grab a few 1214 and see if that helps. Was also thinking about a wooden arrow might have a little more flex ? It's not so easy with only 12lb bow to match most seem only to start on average at 16lb matching arrows on charts. Could be accustom build arrow and try heavier points. Anyway thanks for the inspiration to get her shooting tuned.
12 pounds is tough. Not sure if they even make an arrow for that. Adding weight can be troublesome. It slows the arrow down and can stop it from sticking in the target. Wood might work. I like Carbons. Carbon Express has the predator II, it comes in 1000 spine. Just so you know filming doesn't always show what is going on. The cameras normal speed is 24 to 29 frames per second. That is not fast enough to see the flexing. Even the slow motions on like an iphone is only around 120 to 150 fps. Still not fast enough. They help, but they do not show you what is really happening. Unfortunately it is just trial and error.
Thank you so much for taking the time to share you knowledge. If possible could you answer me a question just to confirm what I'm learning from you advice . My 9 year old is shooting a recurve 12lb Draw. Using Easton jazz 1416 27" , arrows are always leaning to the right , is this a symptom of to much flex in the arrow ? Thank you
Is he left or right handed? Does the arrow have fletching? How far is the target? Before I answer these question will give me more information to go by.
Through trial and error I discovered a 15" long piece of 3/4" blue painters tape weighed the same as my three 5" feathers so I wrap these around the bareshaft where the feathers would go. I don't know if this was really necessary or not but it sounded logical.
Sorry, I can't help myself ... Peter, Roger, Br'er, Hazel, the March Hare, or Harvey? Being foolish aside, a well done video and informative. Appreciated.
Hello my friend, thanks for your videos. I have a question: when can an arrow with high spine in a 50# bow for example be dangerous? Is there a possibility that the arrow will break on release and injure the archer? Thanks!
Love watching your videos on this channel and your 3D channel. I am having a problem when shooting bare shaft at 20 yards the arrows shoots like 2 foot to the left shooting right handed. Could it be my release since I just started shooting with fingers and not with a mechanical release. I changed from compound.
Left nock = too stiff shooting left handed, viceversa for right handed shooting (and yes inserts work giving finer increments), great channel! ............Airborne! I saw some parachute wings on some bow
now if the arrow flexs more to the right would that mean you have to weak of a spine and if thats the case I couldn't help but notice you are a left handed archer so would that mean for a right handed archer the way at which the shaft impacts the target ie left to stiff right to weak reversed???
i can get around a big palm sized group at my best often twice as large spread but not better than that at 18 meter or 20 yards i shoot with both eyes open without aiming/using the point tip for reference. At around 15 yards and in ward i can hit palm sized everytime and at 10-12 yards i can nearly robin hood my arrows. Now i have only shoot 4 times. But i want to start off right learn good habits and dont learn bad stuff. I am shooting tre under with a tab. Using a black sheep nova recurve bow only thing i could afford with skylon frontier carbon arrows. How do i get good and most important consistent everytime because out of 6 arrows maybe one or two are like maybe 10 inches of where i aim sometimes when i get a little tired.
Just curious on the distance you are shooting? I've tried doing my own bare shaft tuning, but I'm not sure if there's a specific distance I should be tuning it at. Also, I'm enjoying watching your videos very much! Thanks for uploading!
Most people do it at 10 Yards. I do mine at 8 yards. The only reason for that is because that is how far it is in my basement. Anything under eight is very tough though.
Thanks. I will try 10 yards. The outdoor range I shoot at is 20 yards for the shortest target butt. I'll set up a 10 yard range in my backyard and try this out.
I have a 29# recurve and finding arrows that are compatible are difficult. I have lots of Victory Aero 500 spines that I picked up for only 5.00 each. The arrows are hitting sideways on the target and the hen feathers that contacts the arrow rest get chewed up after only 100 shots. I'm going to use heavier grain points for my arrows and see if it helps. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Howdy, 500 spine for a 29 pound is waaaay too stiff an arrow. You will need at least 600's and more likely 800's. I do not think you will be able to get them to fly straight by putting more weight up front. Sorry.
Thanks for your very instructive videos. Do you normally go ever the way that you using full length and bring your arrow straight with weight or what is the reason that you don´t prefere cutting? Do you test your arrows where the soft spot is? I´m a bit angry that when I will manage with weight that my arrows will be too heavy for my 35# Jackalope Red Beryl bow. In the moment I use 600 spine hope that spine will be okay at the end.
I keep my arrows full length to help reduce my GAP when aiming. I do not test mine for a soft spot, not that good yet I don't worry that much about weight. All I want is clean arrow flight.
Okay thanks for your answer. I will try it atthe weekend and hope to gets my 600 Spine fly ;) . Greetings from Germany and I wish you nice Christmas holidays @@TradArchery101
Great video! Does this process only work with shooting bare shafted, can it been done fletched? And a random question: I am right handed too, I haven't seen a bow with the shelf on opposite side like that...is that a custom bow? Or is that a regular feature dependent on preference?Keep up the great work...Great source of info for me, as there are not many archers where I live...
Archery 101 What's the point though? I mean it's not like one would ever shoot bareshafted so who cares if the feathers correct errors? No one would shoot at something bareshafted when having feathers is clearly better
Does adding weight to the back (paint/wraps/fletching) affect the spine? (Yes I know feathers will correct flight, but I meant from an added weight perspective). Also, I just watched another video where a right handed shooter corrected a nock-right issue by adjusting his arrow rest to the left. He didn't give an explanation for it, but it seemed to work. Does that weaken the spine as well?
From what I have been told, no. If there is any, it is negligible. Weight on the back is not resisting the motion forward like weight at the front. Rick Welch says to thicken you riser plate to change where your arrow hit. I believe this is the same concept as a plunger. As for weakening, I believe it does theoretically But how much it does in reality and how much it will affect how the arrow flies is debatable. I know those who who it does and those who say it does not.
Well I can tell you I do not. One thing I leanred is that spine is measured from two points 28" apart. Now, if you are using a 30 in arrow and moves those two points out farther, you would get a different spine. Wish there was a better way.
Hey,I enjoy watching all of your videos.I have a 45# selfbow that is not center shoot and shoots off the hand.The arrows are 600 spine 125grn tips,when they leave the bow they are nock left but are pretty straight when they hit the target at 30 yards.Can you help me?
what would you recommend for a 40 pound 62 inch recurve drawing at 29 inches? for a spine tried 500 the fly ok just dont want to waste more money going to a 400 spine
Hey Greg,, To my understanding you can also stiffen an arrow by adding weights to the nock. Has the opposite affect to adding weight to the tip. Not sure how the weights attach but is similar to the insert weights for the tip.
not my first choice either but thought I would share it with you any way. I have noticed though that I can stiffen an arrow by making my fletchings larger, or smaller. Had an arrow I had bare shafted and then fletched with 4 feathers. When I shot them I found they were shooting stiff so the easiest way to correct it was to trim the feathers down.Just putting it out there
Wow? How big are your silencers? I can use the same arrow with or without them and I use the big ball of yarn ones.They slow the bow down only by a couple of FPS, should not be enough to have that much of a difference.
Greetings Archery 101. I shoot left so your videos are helpful. In the past I've dialed in Compounds so I know how important this is. I am new to trad bows and I am now shooting a 60" recurve at 35 lbs/28 inches - but I draw at 30 inches. So my pulling weight would make the bow closer to 40# pulling weight. I have a B-50 string on the bow with silencers and this quieted down the bow. I've started with full length GT Traditional 500 with 125 gr tips. My shooting is improving but I know I need an arrow that will more readily find a consistent impact point. For clarification you shoot a 47# bow (overall bow length not mentioned)- but at what draw length are you pulling...? I ask this because spine is set for a full length arrow (which you sate your have become accustomed to shooting) as we know that cutting down a couple or more inches will (shorten) stiffen the arrow. Are you stacking your bow ( as I do) at all with a longer then 28" draw...? Or, are you shooting less then 28" and reducing the # pull of your bow. These questions may be minor details but I may be able to garner more info from your set-up. I have read on Three Rivers archery and Bob Lee Wing archery that I should be using a 62" - 64" bow for a 30" draw.
Only thing that you do is switch over the readings. Point left on a left handed shot would be the same as point right on a right handed shot. Makes sense?
The Flecthing can give you false readings due to them trying to straighten out the arrows flight. The nock to the right with a right handed shooter is an indication of too stiff an arrow. To confirm this. Try standing behind as she shoots, look for the arrow flight, this will tell you more of what you need to know.
I guess it all depends on what you want. I bareshaft at about eight yards. I want my arrow to be flying straight by then. Tuning out to 20 could mean it is still moving at 10 or 15. I know that target are do that.
I have not found adding feathers to add to stiffness in an arrow. I have asked the engineers at Gold tip about that and they said there is no evidence of that happening.
That depends on multiple factors: How is the bow cut Type of String How are they flying? If you a new, stick with those, if they are flying good. No need to switch arrows when you first start. The important thing is to get a consistent and repeatable shot cycle.
That is a very complicated question. A good number of hunters prefer that, it is called extreme front of center or extreme foc. They swear by it and I have to say I tired it and those arrows really do fly great.
Khaizal Ozlen It might make it weaker but they want weight and so you cannot compare to a lighter and weaker spines arrow. I never thought there was much to EFOC until I tried it. But I can tell you this, those arrows fly awesome.
Khaizal Ozlen I would not say “overcome”. Most people I know, use the proper spine but a big weight up front, which as you said should make the arrow too weak and yet they fly straight and true. There is more to it than I know or can figure out.
200 grain field point? wouldn't that slow down my arrow too much for hunting? I also have a 47lb draw weight, I thought I had a 45 but after I went to the range I found out that I'm pulling about an inch more than the manufacturers 28" 45lb draw.
I thought that too, but it actually increases the impact energy. You will see people talk about it as FOC or extreme FOC. I'm not an expert at it, I have been told by some of the top shooters that once I do it, I will see why. And i have to admit it is true. They are hitting harder now. Go figure.
I need to decrease weakness shaft..700 spine the length is 29", 100 grain point, 2.3 aae vanes, pin nock..but i still worry my 35lbs bow may semi dry fire..Can i change the point to 90 grain or 80 grain? Or need to cut 1 inch again, make overall length 28"..?
So I'm Not Getting It For Some Reason ... Is A 200 Stiffer Than A 500 ? And If So, When The 500 Is Hitting At An Angle I Need To Go To A Less Stiff Arrow ? Perhaps A 600 Or 700 ? I'm Shooting A 55 lb Compound Bow.
+Archery 101 I've paper tuned an old bear whitetail compound by shimming the rest. It was just a flipper rest on sticky tape. Fortunately it was fish tailing to the right and I was able to stack 3m sticky pads on my right hand raiser to remedy it. So I guess by your response yes? And if so I now have a secondary way to paper tune my compound...? Thanks
I don't use a rest, I shoot off the shelf. I too can use the tape but there is a big downside. You see, the difference is when you shoot you use sights. But I use the arrow as my sight. If I push my arrow out farther, it becomes harder to aim because the arrow is much farther off the target.
I received a recurve about a week before Christmas, and i have been shooting off the shelf. Received a rest about two days ago, i removed it from the bow today because i prefer shooting off the shelf.
Hi 101 I’m pretty new to archery.. I just love it but want to have the proper arrows. Every shop I go into they tell me something different you need this you need that. Seems they just want to sell a woman anything. Here honey, you need this.. and the last shop they insisted they make me arrows. I didn’t choose anything, we have been around for 40 years we know what we are doing, 135$ later for 12 arrows and they do not work well at all with my bow!! Please help!.. can tell me what arrows you think I should try.. brand, spine, tip grain.. I have a 30# longbow, draw is 28 - 28 1/2” Thank for your videos! I’m learning a lot.
The arrows I have are Warrior 700 5.4 gpi. 6 came with my bow Heritage 150 carbon express. Those are the ones the last people at a shop made for me that I don’t like. Beman ICS 500 7.3 gpi long feathers Easton St Epic 500 7.3 gpi Is there an online store you can recommend to get 800’s?
I use a 48 pound bow, actually closer to 50 with my draw length and 500's are waaay to stiff. In fact I use 600's with a 145 grain point. Check out Lancaster Archery, Carbon Express, Predator II arrows. I really like them.
Hi, I found Lancaster and just now ordered the carbon express predator II arrows 800 spine. I think the 500s do not work with my bow. They make this boiiing sound when I shoot them. I was told to put some beaver balls on my string. Nothing about the arrows.. Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and suggesting something useful.
You are shooting left handed correct? That first arrow would then be weak not strong? What you show is totally opposite of what I've been taught. Right handed then yes those shafts are oversized but for a lefty they are underspined?
That or an 800. Both can work, there are a few things to take into consideration. 1) Is the bow cut to center 2) What type of string are you using. These two questions really impact what spine arrow you need.
thank you for the speedy response , im a total novice , purchased a samick sage , as it was pretty cheap for a first bow with a good reputation . i think its center cut , and yeh got given a cheapy dacron standard stock string . so will make the draw weight to 20# ? . the spine charts confuse me , been looking at them for months haha . doesnt have to be perfectly tuned , just enough to hit a backstop without an accident .
I would go with 800 or 1000. Both should work. 1000 will be really thin. Try Carbon Express Predator II's. I have them in 800 & 1000. They are good arrows.
Hi 101, it looks like your the top teacher now. Grey archer has quit. Don't let the haters get you down, keep pulling up the clowns who think they know when they don't. I'm 65 and been shooting since high school. And what I've noticed is archery is being taken over by big mouthed, tattooed mocha types who know very little. Hey macho men any person can shoot a compound, it's not hard. If you haven't mastered the longbow or recurve first your not a real archer. 101 is a real archer. Go get em 101.
Yes, it's reversed for right handed archer. If you unfletched arrow goes left from your fletched arrow, spine is too stiff. Actually, I think in the video, he said it wrong. He is left handed, so the first arrow indicated weak arrow.
Depends on what hand you use. If shooting Right handed and the v is to the left of the shaft that is a weak arrow. The opposite would be true for Left handed.
Thank you for your quick answer! I have been considering getting stated with traditional archery and your channel has been very educational and informative. I need a lot more information though. For instance I am left eye dominant and right handed. I shoot all my long guns (rifles and shotguns) left handed and my pistols right handed, should I get a left hand bow? Also What should I start with a longbow or a recurve and why ? Thanks.
I shoot left and right handed. The dominate eye concept is not a big deal in archery. I'm working on a video, that shows studies done that back that up. Left handed bows are harder to come by. I would see if you can test shoot one to see which side you prefer. As for which type of bow to use, that is just a personal preference. There is no major difference between them.
Yes, you can. But From what i have seen it is much harder to do. A small increase like 25 grains will not make that much of a difference, unless the arrow is really, really close to be tuned properly.
I was so confused. Nock left is a weak spine but you did the opposite! You added weight to an arrow that hits nock left to correct it😱 But wait you shot left handed! I forget if you pointed out that what you are doing is opposite what a right handed archer does?
Thanks! I'm as old as you and just doubled my arrow wu shu. You're an excellent teacher and your videos have helped me a lot .
Another great video, thanks so much!
At Thanksgiving dinner your videos will be one of the things I'm thankful for lol.
It is great to see a really good archer teach youth the proper techniques. I,ve been from the age of dirt, yet I still love watching all videos that are proper archery technique. Thanks for that.
just starting out in traditional archery compound shooter for years preciate all the help and insight
Another great vid. Thank you simplifying arrow spine (‘cause it’s complicated according to ‘experts’) and for presenting the information as you do-clear and without unnecessary jargon 😊
Wish I had seen you video before cutting my arrows. Great tips.
love your videos Greg.... I find so much helpful advice .Its been many months of experimentation but a recent switch to 11/32" is getting me closer to the best arrow and I have your videos to thank for all the progress I have made in every area as an amateur archer. ......................thanks buddy
Arghhhh.. I was anticipating the arrow-release 🏹🐰🐇🎯
You're gooooood😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you for another very good educational video. Moving on to next.
Excellent crystal clear explanations. Thanks a lot.
Great video. I am one of those archers who added inserts. I added 100 grains of 3/16 inch nylon line (33 inches in length) to the inside of carbon arrows. I get ~2-3 inches more penetration, and good grouping.
Bearpaw slick stick longbow
55 lbs, gold tip traditional XT 400 and 500 spine. 29 inch. Long cut. 145 tip with or 150 Zwickey Eskilite broadhead.
Looking forward to the next video.
Man I really appreciate your tutorials!! You been so much help! Thank you
Thank you again, most valuable information.
This is a new concept for me. Thanks
I always enjoy your videos and knowledge
Excellent vids. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the video. Very helpful information.
Thanks,I spine mine and are 11% FOC.Shoots great.
Well done sir!
Great show and gosh that really is a nice bow
This helped this rookie so much. Thought id have to cut my arrows
Watching it again 😊
very good break down sir thanks for the video
Great Study 3D.
Beauty Mate.
Excellent!!! Thank you
Nice looking bow brother.
Great info thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the information, I know I'll be using it to the fullest extent, I have 2 longbows, one is 70 in.long, the other is 60 in, both are in the 50 lb. weight draw, and I'm using the same carbon arrows for both bows, round 400 spine,the arrows fly great from both bows, but they need a little tuning, so I'll give it a shot, thx. Shakyjake out.
thank you that helps
You're the Paul Harrell of archery!
TQVM May god bless you
Excellent
im australian thankyou verry much a great help 👍
Great videos,Great channel. Very helpful. I just bare shaft tuned some new arrows for the first time. Made a world of difference. I compared my results with a dynamic spine calculator. It was right on. Now I wonder how the angle of the fletching affect arrow flight once the correct spine is found?
Very good
Your video really helped except for the fact that I'm a right-handed shooter and wasn't thinking about that so I missed a few arrows and had to go back and start the process over
Now you know what it is like being left handed! :). I would show it right handed, but I not near as consistent that way, sorry.
A few people gave me strange looks when I kept my arrows full length. As. A beginner, I knew I would be going up in poundage. I wanted to still use the same arrows for a longer time.
I am too a novice. You don’t have to worry about them lasting a long time. They have a way of getting lost in the weeds. 🙃
Have you thought about making a video regarding how you practice? You seem to be constantly improving. It is clear that you shoot 3D almost every weekend. How much do you practice during the week? You seem to embrace trying new approaches to shooting, experimenting, which undoubtedly has helped you find what works best for you. Perhaps this would be a topic for another video.
Dave Stedfast
Down the road, maybe. I only shoot twice a week. Once on Wednesday, just a practice and on Sunday, usually a 3D Shoot. The rest of the week is editing video!
Are you still at it, was out for a while, was surprised to see this post.. ...
In the past I have stiffened an arrow by adding weight to the rear of the shaft, hope that helps. The extra weight slows down the speed of the shaft thus the deflection reduces.
Hey Southpaw!, What about us other 90percentres? where's the caveat? haha good video, Greg!
Ahh man!! You didn't say in part one you were a lefty! I already subscribed!!!! :)
I shoot both left and right handed. I mainly shot lefty now, just so I improve at a better rate.
I have used arrow insert tubes from 3 rivers archery and they did NOT affect spine . The inserts DID increase weight .
Thank you, I did a slow motion of her shooting, the arrow in all honesty stays and looks stiff , it leave the bow and it's as if the tail is trying to over take the point. I guess the physics behind it should include the newtons law of equal / opposite reaction, there appears no opposite action to the initial release flight. Now I need to find a more flexible shaft, she using the 1416, I'll try and grab a few 1214 and see if that helps. Was also thinking about a wooden arrow might have a little more flex ? It's not so easy with only 12lb bow to match most seem only to start on average at 16lb matching arrows on charts. Could be accustom build arrow and try heavier points. Anyway thanks for the inspiration to get her shooting tuned.
12 pounds is tough. Not sure if they even make an arrow for that. Adding weight can be troublesome. It slows the arrow down and can stop it from sticking in the target. Wood might work. I like Carbons. Carbon Express has the predator II, it comes in 1000 spine.
Just so you know filming doesn't always show what is going on. The cameras normal speed is 24 to 29 frames per second. That is not fast enough to see the flexing. Even the slow motions on like an iphone is only around 120 to 150 fps. Still not fast enough. They help, but they do not show you what is really happening. Unfortunately it is just trial and error.
Aatw, great video
Thank you so much for taking the time to share you knowledge. If possible could you answer me a question just to confirm what I'm learning from you advice . My 9 year old is shooting a recurve 12lb Draw. Using Easton jazz 1416 27" , arrows are always leaning to the right , is this a symptom of to much flex in the arrow ? Thank you
Is he left or right handed? Does the arrow have fletching? How far is the target? Before I answer these question will give me more information to go by.
Good video for left handlers. Right handed shooters might be confused by the arrow effects.
Good Point, I will address that in later videos.
Yeah I was scratching my head till I realized he was shooting lefty....
Through trial and error I discovered a 15" long piece of 3/4" blue painters tape weighed the same as my three 5" feathers so I wrap these around the bareshaft where the feathers would go. I don't know if this was really necessary or not but it sounded logical.
your setup looks like the archery guild in runescape
Sorry, I can't help myself ... Peter, Roger, Br'er, Hazel, the March Hare, or Harvey? Being foolish aside, a well done video and informative. Appreciated.
Hello my friend, thanks for your videos. I have a question: when can an arrow with high spine in a 50# bow for example be dangerous? Is there a possibility that the arrow will break on release and injure the archer? Thanks!
Love watching your videos on this channel and your 3D channel. I am having a problem when shooting bare shaft at 20 yards the arrows shoots like 2 foot to the left shooting right handed. Could it be my release since I just started shooting with fingers and not with a mechanical release. I changed from compound.
Could be, could also be several other things, hard to tell without more information.
Left nock = too stiff shooting left handed, viceversa for right handed shooting (and yes inserts work giving finer increments), great channel! ............Airborne! I saw some parachute wings on some bow
now if the arrow flexs more to the right would that mean you have to weak of a spine and if thats the case I couldn't help but notice you are a left handed archer so would that mean for a right handed archer the way at which the shaft impacts the target ie left to stiff right to weak reversed???
nvm I just saw the same question from another gentleman thanks for the videos they help alot!
i can get around a big palm sized group at my best often twice as large spread but not better than that at 18 meter or 20 yards i shoot with both eyes open without aiming/using the point tip for reference. At around 15 yards and in ward i can hit palm sized everytime and at 10-12 yards i can nearly robin hood my arrows. Now i have only shoot 4 times. But i want to start off right learn good habits and dont learn bad stuff. I am shooting tre under with a tab. Using a black sheep nova recurve bow only thing i could afford with skylon frontier carbon arrows. How do i get good and most important consistent everytime because out of 6 arrows maybe one or two are like maybe 10 inches of where i aim sometimes when i get a little tired.
Does the left hand shot mean that the stiff arrow angle (left in your case) is opposite what would be expected of a right handed shooter?
Just curious on the distance you are shooting? I've tried doing my own bare shaft tuning, but I'm not sure if there's a specific distance I should be tuning it at. Also, I'm enjoying watching your videos very much! Thanks for uploading!
Most people do it at 10 Yards. I do mine at 8 yards. The only reason for that is because that is how far it is in my basement. Anything under eight is very tough though.
Thanks. I will try 10 yards. The outdoor range I shoot at is 20 yards for the shortest target butt. I'll set up a 10 yard range in my backyard and try this out.
I have a 29# recurve and finding arrows that are compatible are difficult. I have lots of Victory Aero 500 spines that I picked up for only 5.00 each. The arrows are hitting sideways on the target and the hen feathers that contacts the arrow rest get chewed up after only 100 shots. I'm going to use heavier grain points for my arrows and see if it helps.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Howdy, 500 spine for a 29 pound is waaaay too stiff an arrow. You will need at least 600's and more likely 800's. I do not think you will be able to get them to fly straight by putting more weight up front. Sorry.
Damnit!!
Great video...but does all this apply for Olympic recurve bows with a plunger?
Not really, you have more latitude with the plunger.
Thanks for your very instructive videos. Do you normally go ever the way that you using full length and bring your arrow straight with weight or what is the reason that you don´t prefere cutting?
Do you test your arrows where the soft spot is? I´m a bit angry that when I will manage with weight that my arrows will be too heavy for my 35# Jackalope Red Beryl bow.
In the moment I use 600 spine hope that spine will be okay at the end.
I keep my arrows full length to help reduce my GAP when aiming.
I do not test mine for a soft spot, not that good yet
I don't worry that much about weight. All I want is clean arrow flight.
Okay thanks for your answer. I will try it atthe weekend and hope to gets my 600 Spine fly ;) . Greetings from Germany and I wish you nice Christmas holidays @@TradArchery101
Great video! Does this process only work with shooting bare shafted, can it been done fletched? And a random question: I am right handed too, I haven't seen a bow with the shelf on opposite side like that...is that a custom bow? Or is that a regular feature dependent on preference?Keep up the great work...Great source of info for me, as there are not many archers where I live...
It can be done with feathers, but you need to know that feathers can hide some results. That is a left handed bow. i shoot both left and right handed.
thanks
Archery 101 What's the point though? I mean it's not like one would ever shoot bareshafted so who cares if the feathers correct errors? No one would shoot at something bareshafted when having feathers is clearly better
Does adding weight to the back (paint/wraps/fletching) affect the spine? (Yes I know feathers will correct flight, but I meant from an added weight perspective). Also, I just watched another video where a right handed shooter corrected a nock-right issue by adjusting his arrow rest to the left. He didn't give an explanation for it, but it seemed to work. Does that weaken the spine as well?
From what I have been told, no. If there is any, it is negligible. Weight on the back is not resisting the motion forward like weight at the front.
Rick Welch says to thicken you riser plate to change where your arrow hit. I believe this is the same concept as a plunger.
As for weakening, I believe it does theoretically But how much it does in reality and how much it will affect how the arrow flies is debatable. I know those who who it does and those who say it does not.
There symbiotic like dancers they depend on each other to complete the routine .
Do we know what the approx. equivalent change in spine is per increment in point weight?
Well I can tell you I do not. One thing I leanred is that spine is measured from two points 28" apart.
Now, if you are using a 30 in arrow and moves those two points out farther, you would get a different spine.
Wish there was a better way.
Hey,I enjoy watching all of your videos.I have a 45# selfbow that is not center shoot and shoots off the hand.The arrows are 600 spine 125grn tips,when they leave the bow they are nock left but are pretty straight when they hit the target at 30 yards.Can you help me?
Are they hitting where you want them to to? If so, then you are fine. Remember this "Feathers are your friend". they are there to help compensate.
what would you recommend for a 40 pound 62 inch recurve drawing at 29 inches? for a spine tried 500 the fly ok just dont want to waste more money going to a 400 spine
I shoot 40 to 47 pound 62" bows and i use a 600 spine.
For a right hander..does the arrow go nock right rather than nock left or is it the same for left and right handers ?
yes, just swap it all around.
So for a lefty, hitting left is stiff?
Then fir a righty, hitting right would be stiff.
Right?
Hey Greg,, To my understanding you can also stiffen an arrow by adding weights to the nock. Has the opposite affect to adding weight to the tip. Not sure how the weights attach but is similar to the insert weights for the tip.
Not sure if that works well. Having extra weight on the back of the arrow is not a good thing.
not my first choice either but thought I would share it with you any way. I have noticed though that I can stiffen an arrow by making my fletchings larger, or smaller. Had an arrow I had bare shafted and then fletched with 4 feathers. When I shot them I found they were shooting stiff so the easiest way to correct it was to trim the feathers down.Just putting it out there
Thanks for sharing. I will have to see if I can test the weight on the back thing.
I know adding silencers change how my arrows flew.
Wow? How big are your silencers? I can use the same arrow with or without them and I use the big ball of yarn ones.They slow the bow down only by a couple of FPS, should not be enough to have that much of a difference.
Greetings Archery 101. I shoot left so your videos are helpful. In the past I've dialed in Compounds so I know how important this is. I am new to trad bows and I am now shooting a 60" recurve at 35 lbs/28 inches - but I draw at 30 inches. So my pulling weight would make the bow closer to 40# pulling weight. I have a B-50 string on the bow with silencers and this quieted down the bow. I've started with full length GT Traditional 500 with 125 gr tips. My shooting is improving but I know I need an arrow that will more readily find a consistent impact point.
For clarification you shoot a 47# bow (overall bow length not mentioned)- but at what draw length are you pulling...? I ask this because spine is set for a full length arrow (which you sate your have become accustomed to shooting) as we know that cutting down a couple or more inches will (shorten) stiffen the arrow. Are you stacking your bow ( as I do) at all with a longer then 28" draw...? Or, are you shooting less then 28" and reducing the # pull of your bow. These questions may be minor details but I may be able to garner more info from your set-up. I have read on Three Rivers archery and Bob Lee Wing archery that I should be using a 62" - 64" bow for a 30" draw.
I draw to almost 30". Stack mainly happens in shorter bows. That is why use 62" bows and prefer 66" bows.
Thanks for sharing your response and it makes a lot of sense to me.
You can stiffen an arrow by decreasing the point weight.
Only the "Dynamic" spine, not the static that they are rated by
@@TradArchery101 I understand what you are saying and agree.
Not sure if this has been asked yet but is it different from right to left hand shooter?
Only thing that you do is switch over the readings. Point left on a left handed shot would be the same as point right on a right handed shot. Makes sense?
What bow is that in the video? Very nice recurve there, love the thick-looking limbs and finish too...
That is a 1967 Ben Pearson Colt, Model 707. One of my favorite bows.
Hi , apologies , arrow length is 25" fletching mounted, she is right handed and target is approx 12m distance.
The Flecthing can give you false readings due to them trying to straighten out the arrows flight. The nock to the right with a right handed shooter is an indication of too stiff an arrow. To confirm this. Try standing behind as she shoots, look for the arrow flight, this will tell you more of what you need to know.
Hi Greg
Quick question is it better to bare shaft tune your arrows at 20 yards ?...
I guess it all depends on what you want. I bareshaft at about eight yards. I want my arrow to be flying straight by then. Tuning out to 20 could mean it is still moving at 10 or 15. I know that target are do that.
@@TradArchery101 thanks Greg, been bare shaft tuning at about 14feet but will try it at 8yards...
Thanks scott
if you added feathers to the 200g arrows wouldn't that possibly stiffen the arrow even more? perhaps then making it too stiff?
I have not found adding feathers to add to stiffness in an arrow. I have asked the engineers at Gold tip about that and they said there is no evidence of that happening.
+Archery 101 thank you for the reply....
45 pound bows with 26.5 draw, should I use 600 spine? Been using 500 with 125 grain head.
That depends on multiple factors:
How is the bow cut
Type of String
How are they flying?
If you a new, stick with those, if they are flying good. No need to switch arrows when you first start. The important thing is to get a consistent and repeatable shot cycle.
Hi Greg @Archery101 what happens when the arrow head is too heavy? Just asking. Appreciate your experiment videos and explanations. Thanks in advance
That is a very complicated question. A good number of hunters prefer that, it is called extreme front of center or extreme foc. They swear by it and I have to say I tired it and those arrows really do fly great.
@@TradArchery101mathematically would the heavier arrow head make the arrow "weaker", hence is it similar to a lighter yet already weak spine arrow?
Khaizal Ozlen
It might make it weaker but they want weight and so you cannot compare to a lighter and weaker spines arrow.
I never thought there was much to EFOC until I tried it. But I can tell you this, those arrows fly awesome.
@@TradArchery101 l gather from what you say is EFOC played a major role overcoming spine. Is this correct?
Khaizal Ozlen
I would not say “overcome”. Most people I know, use the proper spine but a big weight up front, which as you said should make the arrow too weak and yet they fly straight and true.
There is more to it than I know or can figure out.
So 340 or 400 gn spine would have been a better choice with a 100 grain tip?
Only if you are shooting a compound or one heavy bow, minimum of 50 pounds. I do not know of anyone that uses a 340 arrow with a trad bow.
200 grain field point? wouldn't that slow down my arrow too much for hunting? I also have a 47lb draw weight, I thought I had a 45 but after I went to the range I found out that I'm pulling about an inch more than the manufacturers 28" 45lb draw.
I thought that too, but it actually increases the impact energy. You will see people talk about it as FOC or extreme FOC. I'm not an expert at it, I have been told by some of the top shooters that once I do it, I will see why. And i have to admit it is true. They are hitting harder now. Go figure.
I need to decrease weakness shaft..700 spine the length is 29", 100 grain point, 2.3 aae vanes, pin nock..but i still worry my 35lbs bow may semi dry fire..Can i change the point to 90 grain or 80 grain? Or need to cut 1 inch again, make overall length 28"..?
Take it you are shooting a compound, since you are using vanes.
So I'm Not Getting It For Some Reason ... Is A 200 Stiffer Than A 500 ? And If So, When The 500 Is Hitting At An Angle I Need To Go To A Less Stiff Arrow ? Perhaps A 600 Or 700 ? I'm Shooting A 55 lb Compound Bow.
I've never shot a traditional bow. But I've remedied this on my compound by paper tuning and adjusting the arrow rest. Is this the same condition?
A little harder to adjust our rest.
+Archery 101 I've paper tuned an old bear whitetail compound by shimming the rest. It was just a flipper rest on sticky tape. Fortunately it was fish tailing to the right and I was able to stack 3m sticky pads on my right hand raiser to remedy it. So I guess by your response yes? And if so I now have a secondary way to paper tune my compound...? Thanks
I don't use a rest, I shoot off the shelf. I too can use the tape but there is a big downside. You see, the difference is when you shoot you use sights. But I use the arrow as my sight. If I push my arrow out farther, it becomes harder to aim because the arrow is much farther off the target.
+Archery 101 makes sense.
I received a recurve about a week before Christmas, and i have been shooting off the shelf. Received a rest about two days ago, i removed it from the bow today because i prefer shooting off the shelf.
Hi 101 I’m pretty new to archery.. I just love it but want to have the proper arrows. Every shop I go into they tell me something different you need this you need that. Seems they just want to sell a woman anything. Here honey, you need this.. and the last shop they insisted they make me arrows. I didn’t choose anything, we have been around for 40 years we know what we are doing, 135$ later for 12 arrows and they do not work well at all with my bow!! Please help!.. can tell me what arrows you think I should try.. brand, spine, tip grain..
I have a 30# longbow, draw is 28 - 28 1/2”
Thank for your videos! I’m learning a lot.
800 Spine is where I would start. What arrows do you have now?
The arrows I have are
Warrior 700 5.4 gpi. 6 came with my bow
Heritage 150 carbon express. Those are the ones the last people at a shop made for me that I don’t like.
Beman ICS 500 7.3 gpi long feathers
Easton St Epic 500 7.3 gpi
Is there an online store you can recommend to get 800’s?
I use a 48 pound bow, actually closer to 50 with my draw length and 500's are waaay to stiff. In fact I use 600's with a 145 grain point. Check out Lancaster Archery, Carbon Express, Predator II arrows. I really like them.
Hi, I found Lancaster and just now ordered the carbon express predator II arrows 800 spine. I think the 500s do not work with my bow. They make this boiiing sound when I shoot them. I was told to put some beaver balls on my string. Nothing about the arrows.. Thank you so much for taking the time to reply and suggesting something useful.
That Boing sound could be brace height. Playing with that and string silencers can help.
How far back do we have to stand for accurate test?
I would say 8 yards is the closest you can go. most people use 10 yards.
You are shooting left handed correct? That first arrow would then be weak not strong? What you show is totally opposite of what I've been taught. Right handed then yes those shafts are oversized but for a lefty they are underspined?
What glove do you use?
Sorry for the delay, American Leather Buffalo is the glove, I love it.
would a spine rating of 1000 be suitable safe enough for a 25# limb recurve ?
That or an 800. Both can work, there are a few things to take into consideration.
1) Is the bow cut to center
2) What type of string are you using.
These two questions really impact what spine arrow you need.
thank you for the speedy response , im a total novice , purchased a samick sage , as it was pretty cheap for a first bow with a good reputation . i think its center cut , and yeh got given a cheapy dacron standard stock string . so will make the draw weight to 20# ? . the spine charts confuse me , been looking at them for months haha . doesnt have to be perfectly tuned , just enough to hit a backstop without an accident .
I would go with 800 or 1000. Both should work. 1000 will be really thin. Try Carbon Express Predator II's. I have them in 800 & 1000. They are good arrows.
Hi 101, it looks like your the top teacher now. Grey archer has quit. Don't let the haters get you down, keep pulling up the clowns who think they know when they don't. I'm 65 and been shooting since high school. And what I've noticed is archery is being taken over by big mouthed, tattooed mocha types who know very little. Hey macho men any person can shoot a compound, it's not hard. If you haven't mastered the longbow or recurve first your not a real archer. 101 is a real archer. Go get em 101.
Thanks, not to sure about the "Top Archer". I'm just a guy who loves archery. I want to share that passion and pass on what I have learned.
You get that right.Compound are for nancy's.
your arrows are going to the left which is stiff for a right handed archer your left handed so its weak yes???
Yes, it is normally the opposite
is it different for right handed shooters?
Not sure what you mean
Yes, it's reversed for right handed archer. If you unfletched arrow goes left from your fletched arrow, spine is too stiff. Actually, I think in the video, he said it wrong. He is left handed, so the first arrow indicated weak arrow.
what does a too weak arrow look like on paper
Depends on what hand you use. If shooting Right handed and the v is to the left of the shaft that is a weak arrow. The opposite would be true for Left handed.
Thank you for your quick answer! I have been considering getting stated with traditional archery and your channel has been very educational and informative. I need a lot more information though. For instance I am left eye dominant and right handed. I shoot all my long guns (rifles and shotguns) left handed and my pistols right handed, should I get a left hand bow? Also What should I start with a longbow or a recurve and why ?
Thanks.
I shoot left and right handed. The dominate eye concept is not a big deal in archery. I'm working on a video, that shows studies done that back that up. Left handed bows are harder to come by. I would see if you can test shoot one to see which side you prefer. As for which type of bow to use, that is just a personal preference. There is no major difference between them.
Couldn't you stiffen an arrow by reducing the tip weight? 125 grain to like 100 for example.
Yes, you can. But From what i have seen it is much harder to do. A small increase like 25 grains will not make that much of a difference, unless the arrow is really, really close to be tuned properly.
What's your Tele. #?
Is this the same for right handed (normal) archers?😄
Yes, Just flip it around.
Thank you.
Why “Fudge”? Just curious 🧐
It is all brown. Better than the other choice. So that is what I went with, no real reason.
Rabbit dinner
stiff isn't a problem. stiff is good. more ke. under spine is no good.
I was so confused. Nock left is a weak spine but you did the opposite! You added weight to an arrow that hits nock left to correct it😱
But wait you shot left handed! I forget if you pointed out that what you are doing is opposite what a right handed archer does?
Remember he is left handed so it would be the opposite if you are right handed.