I don't usually comment on videos, but I've seen some of your explanations so far and they are the most helpful I could find until the moment. Thank you.
I started shooting a recurve last summer and struggled with groups past 10 yards shooting instinctive; split finger. I watched your gap shooting videos and gave it a try. shooting split finger using gap method produced huge gaps out of my 55lb bow. So, I tried 3 finger gap and the results were great. First try at 23 yards, using a 29 1/2" arrows and point on, my groups were an honest 2 inches. Thank you for the videos, keep them coming. Shoot to kill, drive on hoooaa.
hey Greg I wanted to thank you for your recommendation for my first recurve, I've been enjoying traditional archery. your videos have been one of my main reasons to get into the sport and I'm currently trying to get permission to setup an archery program at my high school to compete in statewide events and most people I ask seem rather excited about it. I've been telling lots of people interested in participating to check out your channel and subscribe to learn more about archery. I was self taught and many videos like yours have made me a better archer. I hope you keep making these videos I certainly benefited from them, so don't stop making them and shoot for the stars.
I agree with spitvalvetheclown, this is an stupidly good video... It made me feel stupid but thanks to Greg I am a little bit smarter now. Thanks Greg for your videos and, your service.
Nice job with the cameras. Your bows always sound so sweet! (Even that fiberglass one) It's been raining all week so instead of shooting I've been binge watching your videos. Ridiculously helpful stuff! I can see it already - when the skies clear and I strap on my brace I'm gonna hear Greg in my head - "Dig those toes in! Straighten that elbow! Pick a goddamned anchor point and stick with it!" (Greg doesn't curse on camera - only in my head)
I'm amazed that, even with your high pound bow, the higher spine arrows seemed to fly better. It seems like your advice is that beginners should use more feathers and hold off on the bare arrow test until they get pretty good. Thanks for the educational video!
Nice video, Greg. Thanks. A picture is truly worth a thousand words. One suggestion, please - on the video shots taken from behind you, the shot arrow in flight gets lost in the black of the target face. A white target face might allow us to see the same arrow flight that you are seeing as the shooter. I know that additional targets are expensive, but maybe a white paper face (ie, cheap, disposable white plastic picnic table coverings) on the target might be helpful. Thanks, Greg.
Dave, I went with the black because the white throws off the camera. I wanted to paint the back half of the arrow so you could see it, but I knew that people would complain about it affecting spine. The target is actually white!
Sorry, I also ment to add what a very good video. I'm just a learning especially about spine as I bought an adjustable compound bow and as I've grown stronger I've had to get new arrows with a lower spine number. I'm now shooting 57 to 60 lb ,is 340 the correct spine I should be useing or 400.........love the channel, very educational especially for learners like myself. Cheers my man, have a great new year.
I'm not seeing anyone mention it nor did I hear you but of course feathers are gonna fly better on a bareshaft. You say it's simply because the feathers help the arrow but it's because there's more give when it hits the shelf of you bow. Everything adds up. The key really is trial and error to figure out what works best for you. Charts may get you close but they usually only compare one thing. i.e. poundage.
Hangemhighification y.t. channel talks about the pse radial x weave stl 100 shoot like darts out of his bow i have the 200 and 300 and i have seen my self thay are good clean swimmers hit my mark compaired to the massoak 350 spin and you can watch it swimming all the way to the target the tail draws a 3"circle the whole way
Archery is after 5 years shooting still full of mysteries for me. One of those is spine. I do understand the concept: If you have a simple bow, just a stick with a string, your arrow wil point to the right if you are right handed. To hit the target your arrow needs to bend around the bow to fly straight to the target. If your arrow is too weak, it wil go off to the left, and to stiff, too the right. However, most modern bows are cut to center or past center, like all of mine. Now my simple brain was thinking, if my string is right behind the arrow and pointing to the target, is there actually any reason why my arrow should flex in any way? isn't the stiffer the better?? Now i consider myself after 5 years still new in archery I listen to the bow shop, the arrow manufacturers, the more expierienced archers, and i do match my arrow to my bows. However last week i found back my first arrows i bought somewhere in a box in the garage. They are way too stiff for any of my bows. I thought let give them a try just for fun. To my surprise they fly really straight and i get very close groupings. Why do i get beter results with arrows that everyone considers too stiff? Just when i thought i was slowly starting to get it, this archery stuff... confussed again.
Welcome to the club. My fifty pound bow according to the charts needs a 400. It can shoot them, it can also shoot 500, 600, 700 nd even 800's! Go Figure
Thank for the lesson on tuning arrows! My interest is mostly in bow hunting though so my question is do you tune your arrows differently for broadheads as opposed to Target heads because a difference in air resistance because of thier shape? Thks!
The broadheads act like a wing and even the small amount of lift / drag that they make can affect the arrow flight. Tuning with a field point will get you close, just not perfect.
Can shooting an arrow with a high numbered spine with a high poundage bow break the arrow? I mean, the arrow do bend when you shooting them, right? Can it break during release? I currently using a 40lbs bow and shooting a 700 spine arrows.
Thank you for that very informative video. May I ask what spine would be best for a 62 in recurve bow in 35 lb limbs ? I asked the question that way because I have not yet measured my exact draw length with this bow Thank you for any information. May your arrows fly ever true .
my 22lb recurve with avalon tyro ready to shoot arrows(1000 spine and vanes) still fly in an angle. is Vanes weaker on correcting the flying path? or do i need a larger Vanes?
I do not think that vanes are any better or worse than feathers. There could be several reasons for it flying like that. Release, spine being the big two. Before you do anything, try a heavier weight up front and see what happens. This will tell you a little bit more so you will have more information to work with.
Nice video but spine is still a mess for me. For a 47# bow like yours, manufacturers are applying static spine chart, they told you to get 400. But now come Dynamic Spine of Stu Miller chart, and that 400 turns out to be too stiff. A mess. Somebody should clarify that matter.
Yes, but using the rules(Center cut & String material), it showed i really needed a 600 spine arrow. I know a few people who are not fans of the Dynamic Spine chart. Personally I never used it, so I cannot comment on it. I'm lucky, I found an arrow that works for me and well, I'm sticking with it. Good Luck.
Due to the large number of variables spine charts can only give you a rough starting point from which you learn what spine arrow works for you and your set up.
Dear Greg, Thanks for the video. I am still learning things, even with the '70's being a part of my adult history, too. Question One: (grimace), in this time of many materials available for arrow making, both retail and at home, there are still a number of sources for, um, wood. I know that you still do, on occasion, loose a wooden shaft in your 3D videos. In discussing 'spine', both in-flight and weighted tests, might you consider an inclusion of a wood shaft, or do you suppose it would 'muddy the waters' a bit? Question Two: Since 'feathers are your friend', and you have borne that out in demonstrating your 3D arrow flights of 3-fletch vs 4-fletch, when have you employed 'flu-flu's'? Would they 'hide faults', too? Thank you again.
I plan on tackling wooden arrows, however I'm no expert. In fact I plan on doing a wooden arrow challenge on 3D Archery. My biggest problem with wooden arrows is that I have not found any yet (Truth be told i have not looked that hard either) that perform how I want them to.
Dear Mr. Greg, I was once told that 'the first step in learning, is admitting we don't know'. I am far from a subject matter expert on wooden arrows, myself! I admit, after watching your recordings at 3D shoots, that 'a lazer trajectory' beats that of 'a rock' any day of the week. Also, (going rocket science for a moment), it would seem that the paradox action of wood might be more so than for your chosen carbon arrows, therefore the loss of transferred momentum, meaning slower flight, more arc of flight, and having to re-think your gap to compensate, as switching between arrow materials.during the course of the shoot. I will await your next video, and 'The Wood Challenge'. (maybe Master Lief might not get his usual pointage. hahaha)
I did film that, but I had to cut it out. Why? The goal of the video was to show what too stiff looks like, so the beginner can recognize it in flight. The 400, 500 and 5575 was 1" off center and the 600 and 30/50 was around an 1/4" off center. That will be part of a later video.
+Archery 101 unrelated to the video. I love your channel and your advice, but right now I use a compound bow, and really wanted to get into recurve archery. And I wanted to know what bow I should consider.
Buy a cheap one to learn on. I just did a review of the Samick Sage, it is very popular, cheap and it is a really good shooter. Best part is you can buy now limbs to raise or lower the draw weight.
+Archery 101 thanks so much, for your advice, I really appreciate it. one other thing is where do you get your arrows. I get mine from victory archery,( the feathered kind of coarse).
I shoot Gold Tip Traditional XT's. I buy them from either Lancaster or Three Rivers. If you are asking about the ones with the fancy fletching, those were a gift.
Are you going to make a video about bow and arrow maintenance? I am a beginner and all I know about arrow maintenance is you have to bend the arrows after every shot to check for damage and I don't feel comfortable doing that. I'm worried that i'm going to snap them in half.
Good Question and i might do that. Bow maintenance is pretty simple, just a visual inspection, same for arrows. I only flex them, If I hit something other than the target or they seemed to fly funny.
good example in your video Greg, thanks. Would a lesser grain tip 65g-1oograin cause the arrow to stiffen more or less? ive had luck with heavier grains for the lower spined arrows.
+Diggs5012 I have heard of people who have one shaft where every point weight works for, but didn't have it myself, guess that are the secrets of arrow tuning
you have Diminishing returns from trying to weaken the spine from changing point weight. you can make a arrow that's too stiff flex correctly with a really heavy tip, but it will take a really heavy point (150+) but the extra weight on the tip will cause your arrow to drop more ultimately hurting your trajectory. whereas a properly spined arrow with a lighter tip will fly alot flatter. which is generally better for 3d archery... not so much hunting.
All I care about is clean arrow flight. I pay no attention to spine. If i can get a 400, 500 or 600 to fly nice, clean and true, then that is what I will use. Maybe one day, if I ever have the urge to be a seriously competitive archer.
my bows all tune with 340 spine easton aftermath shafts full length, with 145 grain points with my 50 pound bow, 125 grain points for my 54 pound bow, and 85 grain points for my 60 pound bow
Great video. This helped me. I did buy the 5 arrow test kit from 3Rivers to help find the right arrow for me. 47 pound recurve also. 600 was the ticket for me. Keep making videos. For christs sake find a new spot to shoot!!!!! The car passing behind your fence made me cringe. It wouldn’t take a good detective to figure out where the traditional type arrow stickin out of the side of someone’s car (or head) came from😳
isnt the issue with weaker spined arrows not so much that they dont fly well, but that they are very light, and might damage a heavy bow, since it's basically like you're halfway to dry firing? This is my concern with getting carbon arrows in general, they all seem too light for a wood bow
Good Video... I have so much trouble with arrow tuning. I shoot a Hoyt target recurve (bare bow style) no sights. Shooting bare shaft arrows... I found that with my 12" stabilizer my arrows shoot way stiff. Take off the stabilizer they fly back weak. Oh.... and off a elevated rest too.I don't know why the stabilizer would effect arrow flight so much. The 25" metal riser makes for a recurve that's on the heavy side, and then the 12" doinker makes it even heavier. But my shots seem more accurate with the stabilizer on. With 4 or 5 different bows... a tuned arrow for each, looks like it will nickel and dime me to death.
The stabilizer, is there to help keep your bow on target. When you take it off, that is the natural movement you get. That is how much of a difference one can make.
also on a recurve bow removing the stabiliser can alter the pressure point on your grip...this will effect how the arrow leaves the bow. if you have a less than consistent release you can get false readings.
Don’t know if you answer questions but I’m gonna ask anyway, shoot 60 lb but hurt my shoulder trying a 45 lb which is comfortable but gap is off the chart ! Where do I start?
What type of bow, how is the riser cut? If you are using the Split Finger Release, then you will start with a very large GAP. There are ways to make it smaller, need to know what you want to do first, Hunt, Compete, etc?
I'm completely lost. After many years of shooting a compound, I recently bought myself a recurve and I completely love it!!...….BUT ……My problem is this. The arrows that I have are 340 Easton Game Getter aluminum shafts cut at 30 inches, and have 3" plastic vanes. My bow has 30lb limbs. My draw length is 31". These arrows fish tail, and fly erratic as they are. Do you think that 4 inch feathers would straighten the flight out? Or do you think I need 400 or higher spine carbons at this 30lb with the 5-6lbs of over draw weight. Thanks Greg Edwards
Sorry for the delay, been working OT (I work 13 /14 hour days). 340 Spine is waaay to stiff for a 30 pound bow. I shoot a 50 pound bow (It is not cut to center) and use 600 spine. For yours I would not go below 500. The 31" draw, on average, means your bow is now 34 pounds. The larger feathers might help but is no guarantee. You could try adding more weight up front and the feathers, they might help.
heavier point will correct it to a degree 340 spine with 250 grain head make make a difference but then a 400 hundrend with 175 head with fly good then a 500 spine with a 150 head will fly good theres so many variables perty much make wat you got work in a way static spine is a arrow at rest will change when a arrow is in motion with a heavier point weight wich is a arrow in motion and its called dynamic spine so many think you can do. like adding more weight to the back of a arrow will make it stiffer so will cutting the arrow to make it shorter thats what he means about he could talk all day about it but theres a point were you just gotta buy new arrow to match your bow
even something upto a .800 spine could be good. best to just try a few if you can. Assuming you're RH overly stiff arrows will go to the left and too soft they will go to the right, should be reversed for leftys
Well the feathers didn't fix everything but if I'm not totally blind it looked like the 600 spine worked best flew straighter and more accurately than all the other spined arrows.
Would the grains per inch of the high spine arrows be enough to provide enough resistance to prevent a partial dry firing effect on 50# bow 🏹 knowledge is power..thanks Greg
Ton of factors would decide that: How accurate do you want to be? How repeatable is your shot cycle? What are you shooting at, Target, Hunting, Fun, etc? How long have you been shooting a recurve?
Archery 101 been shooting since I was a kid. Very successful hunting with a compound. 3-5 deer per year. Just don’t want these arrows blowing up in the bow. They don’t shoot bad. Can hit a baseball at 20 yds. Almost every time. If you assure me they’re safe that’s good enough for me.
@@chadheisterman858 The blowing up of an arrow is a compound thing. Never heard of a Trad before doing that. Maybe, just maybe if the arrow is damaged.
The video is not about what spine you should select. There are a number of things to consider when choosing an arrow: What you plan to shoot Draw weight Draw length Cut of bow Level of skill None which I addressed. This video simply gave you a visual of what pone is and how it affects your shot, it also covered how feathers changes all that. Nothing more.
Focus on you, not your gear. Nothing, and I mean nothing has more affect on your shot than you. Get your shot cycle down, til you are doing the same thing (as much as possible) each time. That is far more important than what spine you are using. So, how do you know when It is time? Trust me, you will know. Once you start consistently shooting tight groups, then it is time.
Don't mean to be a butt head but you can only compare spine using the same type and brand arrow simply because they are all different there is no standard that's why some say 400 and some say 500. A 400 spine in one brand may be a 340 in another
No. There is a standard. 400 spine is supposed to be 400 spine no matter what the brand and model. 400 spine means the shaft bends 0.400 of an inch when it's on a standard spine tester.
@Ranger Archery What I posted is accurate and true. I am increasing the clarity of the discussion. I know all about company's that use goofy numbers. As I said, there is a standard and standard spine tester. 400 spine means 0.400 of an inch on a standard spine tester. It is incorrect to say "no" to any part of my post.
Vernon, Thank you for your concern about my neighbor. The back behind it was an arrow stop, It was less than 10 yards and I was shooting downward. and if I miss That big block target (which I painted black) from that distance, I should not be making videos. Finally, the neighbors house, across the street was 40 yards away. As for laws, I normally do not shoot in my yard, but since it just a few arrows, it was not worth the trip to the range. Besides, no animals, humans or inanimate objects were harmed in the filing of this video!
Also you are shooting in a very unsafe direction I recommend you not shoot there anymore one mistake and you miss your target and hit that house, car, or worse someone walking down the street. Very bad example you are setting
I don't usually comment on videos, but I've seen some of your explanations so far and they are the most helpful I could find until the moment. Thank you.
This video was stupidly helpful. It all just clicked into place. Thanks!
The first thing you said is about the most right thing I’ve heard anybody trying to explain arrow grain to me
I started shooting a recurve last summer and struggled with groups past 10 yards shooting instinctive; split finger. I watched your gap shooting videos and gave it a try. shooting split finger using gap method produced huge gaps out of my 55lb bow. So, I tried 3 finger gap and the results were great. First try at 23 yards, using a 29 1/2" arrows and point on, my groups were an honest 2 inches. Thank you for the videos, keep them coming. Shoot to kill, drive on hoooaa.
Subscribed - got to watch the rest of your videos now! Thank you!
Great info and much appreciated. Thank you.
Very good explanation for beginners! Thumps up!
Craig, pretty cool video. Thank you so much!
hey Greg
I wanted to thank you for your recommendation for my first recurve, I've been enjoying traditional archery. your videos have been one of my main reasons to get into the sport and I'm currently trying to get permission to setup an archery program at my high school to compete in statewide events and most people I ask seem rather excited about it. I've been telling lots of people interested in participating to check out your channel and subscribe to learn more about archery. I was self taught and many videos like yours have made me a better archer. I hope you keep making these videos I certainly benefited from them, so don't stop making them and shoot for the stars.
Carlos,
Thank you and good luck!
Thank you Sir. Your video educate me about arrow and it spine. Such a great work.
Great video, thanks so much!!!
Your videos are great Greg! Thank you for them! How in the world there are 29 thumbs down on this is beyond my comprehension!
Probably the poor bleeding hearts that think all of us archers are headed to the woods to kill Bambi as soon as possible. 😅
I agree with spitvalvetheclown, this is an stupidly good video... It made me feel stupid but thanks to Greg I am a little bit smarter now.
Thanks Greg for your videos and, your service.
Great video & fantastic set of camera angles!
I love Archery 101. I thank you. Danny Coffey
Interesting as always, thanks
Great Stuff Yankee.
'I can't Handle The Truth!'
Great advice cheers
Nice job with the cameras. Your bows always sound so sweet! (Even that fiberglass one) It's been raining all week so instead of shooting I've been binge watching your videos. Ridiculously helpful stuff! I can see it already - when the skies clear and I strap on my brace I'm gonna hear Greg in my head - "Dig those toes in! Straighten that elbow! Pick a goddamned anchor point and stick with it!" (Greg doesn't curse on camera - only in my head)
I cuss from time to time, just not on camera. :)
Thank big brother for the right information
thanks for sharing this information
You see ?? That is what we need to see . Excellent video !!! I would however like to see how trispined arrows work
Thanks for the great information. My only comment was I was cringing watching the backdrop behind the target being the sidewalk lol.
It was 20 yards away, the sidewalk.
great vid
I'm amazed that, even with your high pound bow, the higher spine arrows seemed to fly better. It seems like your advice is that beginners should use more feathers and hold off on the bare arrow test until they get pretty good. Thanks for the educational video!
Wowwwww that 800 flew great!
Great video, thanks from holland europe
Thanks!
Thanks, Airborne!
Nice video, Greg. Thanks. A picture is truly worth a thousand words.
One suggestion, please - on the video shots taken from behind you, the shot arrow in flight gets lost in the black of the target face. A white target face might allow us to see the same arrow flight that you are seeing as the shooter. I know that additional targets are expensive, but maybe a white paper face (ie, cheap, disposable white plastic picnic table coverings) on the target might be helpful. Thanks, Greg.
Dave,
I went with the black because the white throws off the camera. I wanted to paint the back half of the arrow so you could see it, but I knew that people would complain about it affecting spine. The target is actually white!
Sorry, I also ment to add what a very good video. I'm just a learning especially about spine as I bought an adjustable compound bow and as I've grown stronger I've had to get new arrows with a lower spine number. I'm now shooting 57 to 60 lb ,is 340 the correct spine I should be useing or 400.........love the channel, very educational especially for learners like myself. Cheers my man, have a great new year.
I'm not seeing anyone mention it nor did I hear you but of course feathers are gonna fly better on a bareshaft. You say it's simply because the feathers help the arrow but it's because there's more give when it hits the shelf of you bow. Everything adds up. The key really is trial and error to figure out what works best for you. Charts may get you close but they usually only compare one thing. i.e. poundage.
Agreed keatton !!
Love the instructions! Would you consider a lesson on fletching your arrows?
Yes, that it down the road.
You take the best flight bare arrow, that's the one to use of course you add fletchings that's you tuned arrow
I'm pretty new to archery but I'm shooting compounds. And never seen any compound archer use feathers. After seeing this I have to try it.
That 800 looked spot on for that bow with a 145gr
Those 800's, I can shoot them out of anything. Simply Amazing.
Hangemhighification y.t. channel talks about the pse radial x weave stl 100 shoot like darts out of his bow i have the 200 and 300 and i have seen my self thay are good clean swimmers hit my mark compaired to the massoak 350 spin and you can watch it swimming all the way to the target the tail draws a 3"circle the whole way
Archery is after 5 years shooting still full of mysteries for me.
One of those is spine.
I do understand the concept: If you have a simple bow, just a stick with a string, your arrow wil point to the right if you are right handed. To hit the target your arrow needs to bend around the bow to fly straight to the target. If your arrow is too weak, it wil go off to the left, and to stiff, too the right.
However, most modern bows are cut to center or past center, like all of mine.
Now my simple brain was thinking, if my string is right behind the arrow and pointing to the target, is there actually any reason why my arrow should flex in any way? isn't the stiffer the better??
Now i consider myself after 5 years still new in archery
I listen to the bow shop, the arrow manufacturers, the more expierienced archers, and i do match my arrow to my bows. However last week i found back my first arrows i bought somewhere in a box in the garage.
They are way too stiff for any of my bows. I thought let give them a try just for fun.
To my surprise they fly really straight and i get very close groupings.
Why do i get beter results with arrows that everyone considers too stiff?
Just when i thought i was slowly starting to get it, this archery stuff... confussed again.
Welcome to the club. My fifty pound bow according to the charts needs a 400. It can shoot them, it can also shoot 500, 600, 700 nd even 800's! Go Figure
Thank for the lesson on tuning arrows! My interest is mostly in bow hunting though so my question is do you tune your arrows differently for broadheads as opposed to Target heads because a difference in air resistance because of thier shape? Thks!
The broadheads act like a wing and even the small amount of lift / drag that they make can affect the arrow flight. Tuning with a field point will get you close, just not perfect.
Hi,..Checking spine wise..:you said they weighted the arrows @26" apart..I was told it was 28" apart...?..
Can shooting an arrow with a high numbered spine with a high poundage bow break the arrow? I mean, the arrow do bend when you shooting them, right? Can it break during release? I currently using a 40lbs bow and shooting a 700 spine arrows.
Thank you for that very informative video. May I ask what spine would be best for a 62 in recurve bow in 35 lb limbs ? I asked the question that way because I have not yet measured my exact draw length with this bow
Thank you for any information. May your arrows fly ever true .
I use 800 spine. I like a softer spine. But with 35 you can go as stiff as a 600
my 22lb recurve with avalon tyro ready to shoot arrows(1000 spine and vanes) still fly in an angle. is Vanes weaker on correcting the flying path? or do i need a larger Vanes?
I do not think that vanes are any better or worse than feathers. There could be several reasons for it flying like that. Release, spine being the big two.
Before you do anything, try a heavier weight up front and see what happens. This will tell you a little bit more so you will have more information to work with.
Nice video but spine is still a mess for me. For a 47# bow like yours, manufacturers are applying static spine chart, they told you to get 400. But now come Dynamic Spine of Stu Miller chart, and that 400 turns out to be too stiff. A mess. Somebody should clarify that matter.
Yes, but using the rules(Center cut & String material), it showed i really needed a 600 spine arrow. I know a few people who are not fans of the Dynamic Spine chart. Personally I never used it, so I cannot comment on it. I'm lucky, I found an arrow that works for me and well, I'm sticking with it. Good Luck.
Due to the large number of variables spine charts can only give you a rough starting point from which you learn what spine arrow works for you and your set up.
Dear Greg,
Thanks for the video. I am still learning things, even with the '70's being a part of my adult history, too.
Question One: (grimace), in this time of many materials available for arrow making, both retail and at home, there are still a number of sources for, um, wood. I know that you still do, on occasion, loose a wooden shaft in your 3D videos. In discussing 'spine', both in-flight and weighted tests, might you consider an inclusion of a wood shaft, or do you suppose it would 'muddy the waters' a bit?
Question Two: Since 'feathers are your friend', and you have borne that out in demonstrating your 3D arrow flights of 3-fletch vs 4-fletch, when have you employed 'flu-flu's'? Would they 'hide faults', too?
Thank you again.
I plan on tackling wooden arrows, however I'm no expert. In fact I plan on doing a wooden arrow challenge on 3D Archery. My biggest problem with wooden arrows is that I have not found any yet (Truth be told i have not looked that hard either) that perform how I want them to.
Dear Mr. Greg,
I was once told that 'the first step in learning, is admitting we don't know'.
I am far from a subject matter expert on wooden arrows, myself!
I admit, after watching your recordings at 3D shoots, that 'a lazer trajectory' beats that of 'a rock' any day of the week. Also, (going rocket science for a moment), it would seem that the paradox action of wood might be more so than for your chosen carbon arrows, therefore the loss of transferred momentum, meaning slower flight, more arc of flight, and having to re-think your gap to compensate, as switching between arrow materials.during the course of the shoot.
I will await your next video, and 'The Wood Challenge'. (maybe Master Lief might not get his usual pointage. hahaha)
Still waiting on the string silencer vid, haven't forgotten!
Going to be a while. Massive amount of work hours right now. But it is on the list!
+Archery 101 totally understand. glad to hear it's on the list though! take care.
How About the size of the feathers ? Will it affect the arrow as well?
Great Video BTW.
I cannot say for sure. But it is one of the subjects I would like to investigate and experiment with.
would have liked to see a photo from front of boss to show angle that arrows landed. Great video and the slo mo shots are great
I did film that, but I had to cut it out. Why? The goal of the video was to show what too stiff looks like, so the beginner can recognize it in flight. The 400, 500 and 5575 was 1" off center and the 600 and 30/50 was around an 1/4" off center. That will be part of a later video.
+Archery 101 unrelated to the video. I love your channel and your advice, but right now I use a compound bow, and really wanted to get into recurve archery. And I wanted to know what bow I should consider.
Buy a cheap one to learn on. I just did a review of the Samick Sage, it is very popular, cheap and it is a really good shooter. Best part is you can buy now limbs to raise or lower the draw weight.
+Archery 101 thanks so much, for your advice, I really appreciate it. one other thing is where do you get your arrows. I get mine from victory archery,( the feathered kind of coarse).
I shoot Gold Tip Traditional XT's. I buy them from either Lancaster or Three Rivers. If you are asking about the ones with the fancy fletching, those were a gift.
Are you going to make a video about bow and arrow maintenance? I am a beginner and all I know about arrow maintenance is you have to bend the arrows after every shot to check for damage and I don't feel comfortable doing that. I'm worried that i'm going to snap them in half.
Good Question and i might do that. Bow maintenance is pretty simple, just a visual inspection, same for arrows. I only flex them, If I hit something other than the target or they seemed to fly funny.
good example in your video Greg, thanks. Would a lesser grain tip 65g-1oograin cause the arrow to stiffen more or less? ive had luck with heavier grains for the lower spined arrows.
It will stiffen the arrow up, heavier weights will weaken the arrow
+Ruben V thanks Rueben I always get good results with most combo of tips + shaft rating.
+Diggs5012 I have heard of people who have one shaft where every point weight works for, but didn't have it myself, guess that are the secrets of arrow tuning
you have Diminishing returns from trying to weaken the spine from changing point weight. you can make a arrow that's too stiff flex correctly with a really heavy tip, but it will take a really heavy point (150+) but the extra weight on the tip will cause your arrow to drop more ultimately hurting your trajectory. whereas a properly spined arrow with a lighter tip will fly alot flatter. which is generally better for 3d archery... not so much hunting.
Using OT2, do you want static and dynamic spine close in numbers? Trying to build a new arrow.
All I care about is clean arrow flight. I pay no attention to spine. If i can get a 400, 500 or 600 to fly nice, clean and true, then that is what I will use.
Maybe one day, if I ever have the urge to be a seriously competitive archer.
my bows all tune with 340 spine easton aftermath shafts full length, with 145 grain points with my 50 pound bow, 125 grain points for my 54 pound bow, and 85 grain points for my 60 pound bow
Great video. This helped me. I did buy the 5 arrow test kit from 3Rivers to help find the right arrow for me. 47 pound recurve also. 600 was the ticket for me. Keep making videos. For christs sake find a new spot to shoot!!!!! The car passing behind your fence made me cringe. It wouldn’t take a good detective to figure out where the traditional type arrow stickin out of the side of someone’s car (or head) came from😳
Enjoyed the film. Are you Airborne Ranger?
No, served in the Airborne Infantry and as an Airborne Pathfinder
isnt the issue with weaker spined arrows not so much that they dont fly well, but that they are very light, and might damage a heavy bow, since it's basically like you're halfway to dry firing? This is my concern with getting carbon arrows in general, they all seem too light for a wood bow
More myth than anything else. It is about GPP (Grains per pound). Hunters like at least 10, while for general use you can go down to 8 or 7.
Thanks.g per pound of draw weight..that answers question about dry firing.. appreciate you sharing your knowledge bro.
Good Video... I have so much trouble with arrow tuning. I shoot a Hoyt target recurve (bare bow style) no sights. Shooting bare shaft arrows... I found that with my 12" stabilizer my arrows shoot way stiff. Take off the stabilizer they fly back weak. Oh.... and off a elevated rest too.I don't know why the stabilizer would effect arrow flight so much. The 25" metal riser makes for a recurve that's on the heavy side, and then the 12" doinker makes it even heavier. But my shots seem more accurate with the stabilizer on. With 4 or 5 different bows... a tuned arrow for each, looks like it will nickel and dime me to death.
The stabilizer, is there to help keep your bow on target. When you take it off, that is the natural movement you get. That is how much of a difference one can make.
also on a recurve bow removing the stabiliser can alter the pressure point on your grip...this will effect how the arrow leaves the bow. if you have a less than consistent release you can get false readings.
What weight bow?
Don’t know if you answer questions but I’m gonna ask anyway, shoot 60 lb but hurt my shoulder trying a 45 lb which is comfortable but gap is off the chart ! Where do I start?
What type of bow, how is the riser cut?
If you are using the Split Finger Release, then you will start with a very large GAP.
There are ways to make it smaller, need to know what you want to do first, Hunt, Compete, etc?
do you spine
of arrow with carbon
I'm completely lost. After many years of shooting a compound, I recently bought myself a recurve and I completely love it!!...….BUT ……My problem is this. The arrows that I have are 340 Easton Game Getter aluminum shafts cut at 30 inches, and have 3" plastic vanes. My bow has 30lb limbs. My draw length is 31". These arrows fish tail, and fly erratic as they are. Do you think that 4 inch feathers would straighten the flight out? Or do you think I need 400 or higher spine carbons at this 30lb with the 5-6lbs of over draw weight. Thanks Greg Edwards
Sorry for the delay, been working OT (I work 13 /14 hour days). 340 Spine is waaay to stiff for a 30 pound bow. I shoot a 50 pound bow (It is not cut to center) and use 600 spine. For yours I would not go below 500. The 31" draw, on average, means your bow is now 34 pounds.
The larger feathers might help but is no guarantee. You could try adding more weight up front and the feathers, they might help.
Thank you so much for the reply.
heavier point will correct it to a degree 340 spine with 250 grain head make make a difference but then a 400 hundrend with 175 head with fly good then a 500 spine with a 150 head will fly good theres so many variables perty much make wat you got work in a way static spine is a arrow at rest will change when a arrow is in motion with a heavier point weight wich is a arrow in motion and its called dynamic spine so many think you can do. like adding more weight to the back of a arrow will make it stiffer so will cutting the arrow to make it shorter thats what he means about he could talk all day about it but theres a point were you just gotta buy new arrow to match your bow
even something upto a .800 spine could be good. best to just try a few if you can. Assuming you're RH overly stiff arrows will go to the left and too soft they will go to the right, should be reversed for leftys
Would those all fly as well with a 3 fletch?
Sure would. The only reason I use four is because they show up better on camera!
Well the feathers didn't fix everything but if I'm not totally blind it looked like the 600 spine worked best flew straighter and more accurately than all the other spined arrows.
Would the grains per inch of the high spine arrows be enough to provide enough resistance to prevent a partial dry firing effect on 50# bow 🏹 knowledge is power..thanks Greg
Pathfinder
What about the blazer vanes everyone raves about ?
Never tried them. Know people that do and love them.
“Go out and shoot”. I’ve been watching your vids and they were helpful. THIS VID COMPELLED ME TO SUB👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼. This mean I can error slitting weak shaft?
I admit I am more comfortable with feather fletching but why modern archer don't use it anymore?
Not as consistent as av vane.
I’m shooting a Hoyt game master 2 at 55lbs. Would a 500 spine work for me?
Ton of factors would decide that:
How accurate do you want to be?
How repeatable is your shot cycle?
What are you shooting at, Target, Hunting, Fun, etc?
How long have you been shooting a recurve?
Archery 101 been shooting since I was a kid. Very successful hunting with a compound. 3-5 deer per year. Just don’t want these arrows blowing up in the bow. They don’t shoot bad. Can hit a baseball at 20 yds. Almost every time. If you assure me they’re safe that’s good enough for me.
@@chadheisterman858
The blowing up of an arrow is a compound thing. Never heard of a Trad before doing that.
Maybe, just maybe if the arrow is damaged.
At last the truth about spine tu + sub. 5 inch feathers are perfect for almost any spine
Your subscribe button in the end of the video has the wrong link, Archery, not Archery 101
Good catch, it has been fixed, thanks.
How is this going to help me select the proper arrow spine
Really?
@@TradArchery101 seriously dude if I understood I wouldn't ask
The video is not about what spine you should select.
There are a number of things to consider when choosing an arrow:
What you plan to shoot
Draw weight
Draw length
Cut of bow
Level of skill
None which I addressed. This video simply gave you a visual of what pone is and how it affects your shot, it also covered how feathers changes all that. Nothing more.
@@TradArchery101 thanks for your time I'm trying to get it
Focus on you, not your gear. Nothing, and I mean nothing has more affect on your shot than you.
Get your shot cycle down, til you are doing the same thing (as much as possible) each time.
That is far more important than what spine you are using.
So, how do you know when It is time? Trust me, you will know. Once you start consistently shooting tight groups, then it is time.
Can't see the arrows
In carbon express arrows higher is stiffer
Not sure what you mean.
My 600's are stiffer than my 800's, which are stiffer than my 1000's.
If you are shooting well with a fletched arrow why try a plane spine?
Don't mean to be a butt head but you can only compare spine using the same type and brand arrow simply because they are all different there is no standard that's why some say 400 and some say 500. A 400 spine in one brand may be a 340 in another
No. There is a standard. 400 spine is supposed to be 400 spine no matter what the brand and model. 400 spine means the shaft bends 0.400 of an inch when it's on a standard spine tester.
@Ranger Archery What I posted is accurate and true. I am increasing the clarity of the discussion. I know all about company's that use goofy numbers. As I said, there is a standard and standard spine tester. 400 spine means 0.400 of an inch on a standard spine tester. It is incorrect to say "no" to any part of my post.
I would not want to be your neighbor living behind your target. Do you not have laws related to bows where you live?
Vernon,
Thank you for your concern about my neighbor. The back behind it was an arrow stop, It was less than 10 yards and I was shooting downward. and if I miss That big block target (which I painted black) from that distance, I should not be making videos. Finally, the neighbors house, across the street was 40 yards away. As for laws, I normally do not shoot in my yard, but since it just a few arrows, it was not worth the trip to the range. Besides, no animals, humans or inanimate objects were harmed in the filing of this video!
you can use a bow as much as you want on your own property, just you are liable for prosecution if you were to hurt someone or damage anthers property
Those US flag- tickers on the bow look absolutely ugly
Oookay, thanks for sharing. Would you approve of unicorns?
Also you are shooting in a very unsafe direction I recommend you not shoot there anymore one mistake and you miss your target and hit that house, car, or worse someone walking down the street. Very bad example you are setting