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Earl Weaver was a hothead, known for his Earl Weaver ejections, but his Earl Weaver Orioles were the best team in baseball for a decade. He used Earl Weaver strategy that emphasized the same things as the Oakland As Billy Beane. GM Billy Beane became famous for Michael Lewis Moneyball As, which was based on, among other things, the teachings of Bill James. He should also be flattered to be played by the star of Moneyball Brad Pitt. Earl Weaver also played Moneyball with the Baltimore Orioles, even winning a Baltimore Orioles World Series 1970.
Some key Moneyball players included Don Buford, Paul Blair, Brooks Robison, and Mark Belanger on the Orioles, as well as Scott Hatteberg (played by Chris Pratt in the Moneyball movie) on the Oakland Athletics.
In this episode of Baseball Bits, a Foolish Baseball production, I analyze some baseball strategy, getting on base, a nod to the Moneyball he gets on base scene, and MLB managers. I hope you all enjoy the video!
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How long is this valid for?
@@gingerface1898 I can't tell you for sure, but it will likely run through baseball season. We just don't quite know what the deal with baseball season is.
My family owned a Tandy 1000HX back in the late 80's and along with it, my dad bought "Earl Weaver's Baseball", A very detailed sports sim with a MLBPA license. It was made by EA and Earl had first-hand input into it. It's very detail-oriented and they even sold roster updates for a few years after it came out. You should look into it. It'll probably give you a even better look inside how he thought.
Foolish Baseball do a video on the 1969 Mets
Ok
My favorite Earl Weaver fact is that even though he was third all time in managerial ejections, if you added the amount of times he was ejected before the game even started to his total then he's first all time.
Or that he had such a contentious relationship with one umpire, Ron Lucciano, that the league had to pull him from the crew whenever they worked a Baltimore series. Weaver and him had worked every level up to the majors together and they hated each other. One would get promoted a level, and the next season or so the other would get promoted to that level lol
Edit: I should add that Ron has at least one of Earl's pregame ejections. Apparently, he was working a doubleheader and in the first game he made a close call at his base that caused Earl to get tossed. In the second game, he was the home plate umpire. When the managers came out to exchange lineup cards, Earl asked him, "Are you going to suck as bad in this game as last game?" To which Ron replied, "Earl, you're not going to be around to find out" and tossed him lmao
Oh my gosh this is the best
@@brianeleighton Thats the funniest goddamn thin I've ever heard in all of baseball history. God literally only this sport can have a story like that
@MANCHESTER UNITED Yeah soccer is good, but I really like baseball. I grew up playing baseball and a lot of my heroes and role models growing up were baseball players. That's the impact of the sport on me and most other fans of the sport. I don't think the general popularity of a sport is of much subjective merit. Soccer is much less culturally important where I'm from as opposed to baseball, and I just personally think baseball is a much more interesting game
@@brianeleighton THis just made my night! Thanks dude
"On my tombstone just write, 'The sorest loser that ever lived.'" - Earl Weaver
legend
?
A bit harsh
So that’s why he won a World Series???
Yall are kinda dull. The man was trying to say he hated losing and would do everything to avoid that. I understand it because i too am a very sore loser and i love that quote.
I saw an interview with Earl Weaver, he was asked what he thought about the umpires of his era. "They got thousands of calls right, it was the 94 times that I was ejected that they were wrong." 😂
He said that in his HOF speech
"Binging with BABIP." Legendary.
Now every time I watch a cooking vid I'm gonna think of FB
Hahahah I loved this too
me: *sad lack of baseball noises*
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me: *a bit happier lack of baseball noises*
@MANCHESTER UNITED well we have substantial seductive and you just have SUCC
A sport where people flop isn’t very powerful
Long time listener of the podcast, I had no idea you had a CZcams channel! You've got a talent for this video stuff.
Thanks, it's a welcome distraction from the grueling podcast process.
I understood that reference
Wait, he’s got a podcast?!
@@gingerface1898 Yeah, new episodes every day
CamJ56 What’s it called?! Where can I find it??
Don Buford never had 100 runs in a season but had 99 for 3 straight seasons lol
Khris Davis would be proud
Weaver was well known for keeping all sorts of statistics, notebooks full of them. Head to heads, splits, all sorts of breakdowns. He was a genius and ahead of his time. He was the first manager to use a computer to compile statistics.
"Earl Weaver was as temperamental as they come"
*understatement*
YOU ARE A LIAR EARL
Ah yes a classic moment
YOU'RE HERE FOR ONE REASON AND ONE REASON ONLY.
Solar424 Whats that, Earl?
@@FoolishBaseball NO YOU ARE
Omg finally. I was waiting for an Earl Weaver episode.
His manager IQ was decades before his time.
This was a really fun episode to make! Earl is baseball royalty!
Earl Weaver & Sparky Anderson
I hate the Orioles but i respect and admire the heck out of Earl Weaver.
Absolute legend
I remember Weaver saying he doesn't give a f*ck about stolen bases, just give me a f*cker that hits it over the fence. Now the analytics say that exact same thing.
@@KTF0 way ahead of his time
Jim Palmer's most impressive pitching came with the bases loaded: 184 at bats, zero grand slams allowed, and only one triple and five doubles. His OBP allowed with the bases loaded was .230 and the slugging percentage was .234. A .464 OPS with the bases jacked is almost too low to be believed!
Please read Palmer's book "Together we were 11 feet 9." In the book he tells a story about late in his career the bases were loaded and he threw a wild pitch advancing the runners...he was teased he did it on purpose to protect his no grand slam legacy!
Palmer finished his career with I believe 257Wins of that 214 were complete games how would that fit in today's MLB?
Excellent work. You should have contacted my father, who played on that team (Dick Hall).Weaver would talk with some of the role players (like my father) and explain to them their roles early in the season - then stick with it. For example -with my Dad, Weaver told him he would be the #1 choice in the 7th inning if the starter got in trouble, or in extra innings (my Dad was good hitter). As a result, if a situation for a reliever came up, and it wasn't the 7th - then my dad would just be relaxed and calm and not have to worry about going in. But if my Dad could see the starter struggling when it was his role - he would then begin to prepare mentally as well as be physically ready when he was called on. He did this with other relievers, pinch hitters, etc..to as you pointed out - to great success! Thank you for the video - calling my Dad to watch it right now!Also side note - Curt Motton pronounced Moat-en. Pete Richert = Rick-ertThanks again! David Hall
Great info
i remember Dick Hall! had this, as one announcer called it, a "herky jerky" delivery that was distracting to some. i had his baseball card! played into his 40's
the mental part of the game or any game never goes away... the quants have always had a difficult time in isolating this because... well, its hard and people will say that it does everything and anything. The quants get it right when they find unexploited patterns. Psychology helps in the micro... setting a guy's mind. Its interesting to see it play out and those who can dance with the two... usually the head coach or general manager or combination therein can do wonders.
And then everyone clapped
Your father had great control. He only walked 1.7 batters per 9 innings pitched.
One of my favorite players in 1970’s was Mark Belanger. Sure, his offensive line is atrocious, but that man could play defense. His OPB was higher than his SLG too, which makes me laugh 😂
Only thing better than a new Foolish Baseball vid would be one of Belanger's greatest defensive plays.
The other amazing thing about Belanger is, that despite his poor hitting average, he was a beast against the Red Sox. He hit them very well for some reason.
@@kenarthur6253 no he wasn't. .641 ops against them. also for some idiotic reason he hit 1st or 2nd over 500 times in his career. hilarious.
@@tommyfu9271 You missed the part about his high OBP?
@@mynameisgladiator1933 what high obp?
He had 2 years where it was good and that's it
He was a terrible hitter and should have been hitting 8th or 9th
Career .300 obp=high obp?
If you're referring to against Boston specially
.309 obp
.641 ops
Horrible
I need to sanitize my eyes after seeing Horace Clarke's OBP
Wash your hands too while you're at it!
Foolish Baseball of course. I ain’t foolish 😏
What do you expect? Look at his baseball card...he's got his hands backwards!
Little wonder why the Yankees in the CBS era were jokes for the most part.
If you can't get on base at least 1/3 of the time I can't have you on my team
Finally some recognition for one of the greatest managers of all time. Also go O’s!
Butch Jones royals fan here. Right there with you on that lol
Yup, Art Howe!
Mariners fan here. I feel the pains.
@@samdeabler9979 Royals fan here too. I agree
1. Tim Locastro would be Earl Weaver's nemesis.
2. My favorite Weaver story was how when he was a manager in the Orioles farm system, he used to stand behind Steve Dalkowski during practice and talk down his anxieties, resulting in him having better control of his alleged 110 mph fastball. The man was saving lives! Too bad Dalkowski blew his elbow during his first spring training as a roster member of the Orioles, though.
There's a book called "Fastball" by Tim Wendel. Dalkowski got a chapter in that book. Anyway, when Earl Weaver became minor league manager for Dalkowski's team, Weaver gave each player an IQ test. Dalkowski had a slighly below average IQ. So, instead of being super technical, Earl simplified instruction for Dalkowsi instead of overloading him with information. Every other coach before Weaver had done that.
Dalkowski only threw a fastball and a curve under Earl's management. Dalkowski said that he loved when Earl would whistle because that was the signal for Dalkowski to let the fastball just RIP.
The sad part about Dalkowski blowing out his elbow was that he was set to break camp with The Orioles and be in the majors.
Ron Shelton made it to AAA with The Orioles and played with Dalkowski. He was a basis for Nuke LaLoosh in "Bull Durham."
@@edalder2000 I got the Dalkowski story partly from an Olbermann segment where he discussed him and the documentary version of Fastball! It even showed the man himself describing how he applied extra rotation to the ball at the release point.
My favorite story was when I heard when Ken Singleton was on the R2C2 podcast and he said that apparently Weaver says that even though the stats say he got ejected 94 times, it should be more because he was ejected something like 6 times just exchanging lineup cards!
@@edalder2000 He also told Dalkowski to just aim everything down the middle, because he'd be more likely to accidentally paint a corner than if he was actually aiming for it.
Thomas Boswell also talked about Earl Weaver knew how to settle Jim Palmer down and always knew how to keep him focused. Boswell said, "If Jim Palmer hadn't pitched for Earl Weaver, he wouldn't have won 50 games in his career."
In the dark days of no baseball, a light appears in the distance. "Notification: New Video from Foolish Baseball."
8:33 Jim Palmer still has the most beautiful windup and delivery in baseball history.
like butter
The way his knee comes up is so incredibly smooth. Looks like he's never off balance for even a fraction of a second.
Never gave up a Grand Slam either. 4,072 Innings pitched (Inc post season) without allowing a Grand Slam. He's proud of that stat too.
Love those Orange unis too!
Denny McLain
Yes finally an Earl Weaver vid!!!
IMHO his 1970 O's squad is actually pretty underrated and should be considered as a contender for best team of all-time, right up there w/ the '27 Yankees, the Big Red Machine, '39 Yankees, and c. 1906-10 Cubs.
Nate KANG I remember reading the Baseball 1971 preview. The Orioles biggest need - a new supply of champagne. That three year run was fantastic. Too bad it resulted in only one World Series. But if you ask me, Weaver did even better work keeping the Orioles competitive after players started getting older or leaving for free agency. (Of course the Rochester Class of 1976 helped. )
@@mdoerty13 if you include the arrival of Frank Robinson in '66 (which resulted in a WS sweep of the dodgers), that's 4 AL pennants and 2 WS banners
You rock! That 1906 Cubs team was an all-timer....but then they lost the World Series! I am still bummed about it!
@@gregoryboyer4846 And even in '73 and '74, the Orioles had the best record in the American League. If it still had been the pre-division AL, that would have been 2 more WS.
Brooks Robinson was such a stud on defense. His tradition lives on ... Rendon seemed to save a lot of runs for the Nats last year. Oh and by the way, my kids just call them the Oreos 😄
Did anyone else here play the Earl Weaver Baseball video game? As I remember, it came with a manual that briefly outlined a lot of his management philosophies. I loved that game.
That crow hop on the ejection, though. One of my favorite moments in baseball history.
Love me some vintage Baseball Bits. I'd suggest an episode on platooning and whether it's actually valuable.
Edit: Looks like you covered platooning a bit! Maybe a full episode...?
I could look in to it.
Chiming in to note the '69 Mets were big on platooning as well. Only four players played in 120+ games, with seven others at 100+ and four more at 60+. They had a grand total of four players with over 2.5 bWAR, two of whom were pitchers.
I am at the Garvey comparison to the Lowenstein/Roenicke platoon. There is a problem.
Foolish Baseball gave the totals for Lowenstein and Roenicke and implied that platoon was season long. If you look at baseball reference they combined for only 461 of the Orioles 655 plate appearances from the Left Field position. In fact the players that provided the other 194 plate appearance were better than those two.
Earl could fill his bench with platoon players and pinch hitters like Terry Crowley because teams carried fewer pitchers. These players definitely made the game more fun to watch. They should expand MLB rosters and limit the number of pitchers you can carry.
I’d love it if you did a video about Marcus Semien’s defensive transformation
8:24 FINALLY SOMEONE SAYS IT! God bless you FB
I'm an A's fan, and even I'M tired of people ignoring that.
@@chicagoakland moneyball never mentions them and 25% of the book is sucking off Scott Hatiburg
Best baseball channel in Earth! Kudos from a Salvi living in Argentina FB!
Thank you!
I was so happy to see you recognize the great Jack Glasscock at 7:05! He was the best fielding shortstop in the 19th century, the first native of West Virginia to play pro ball and struck out only once per 33 at bats! How is Glasscock not in the Hall of Fame?
"Your most precious possession on offence is your 27 outs." So obvious, I'm writing that down for every OOTP save from now on
My dad expressed the deepest heartbreak and disappointment at the fact that you are a Braves fan.
He will, however, continue to happily support your channel. 😁
I'm glad he can accept me for who I am.
Here are some ideas for merch: bob wickman calender (with one bartolo colon), Larry walker HOF shirts, Tim locastro wanted posters, Andrelton Simmons HOF plaques, jeff Mathis framing gloves, and more! Just an idea lol
These are great, but I'm pretty sure I have to get a deal with the MLBPA to sell that kind of thing. Can't just profit off someone's likeness.
Foolish Baseball good point, always have to think about that. Then again, the mlb is pretty friendly with you
Foolish Baseball I say you should try to get permission to sell. They prolly wouldn’t respond sadly but it’s worth a shot. I mean you are bringing to people to baseball.
Beast Burchett very much agreed
@@MicMcBallin What this guy said , goes
This video is perfect! Never stop. I love Foolish Baseball.
One of my favourite CZcams channels, I used your Astros analysis to introduce friends to your channel. Keep up awesome work!
Can we get a video about how underrated Carl Yazstremski was?
Great video as always! Appreciate that subtle "nice" at 5:28
Thank you for bringing us all some joy in our time of darkest despair. You sir, are a saint.
Well done! I enjoy Earl Weaver recorded interviews whenever I can find them. Often humor and intelligence are found in the same package.
5:27
Foolish: "That OBP, nice".
Myself: Nice, indeed.
I grew up in Baltimore and fell in love with baseball watching Weaver's teams. What a time to be an Orioles fan.
Thanks for this! Memories of past seasons are all we O's fans have right now. Now if you'll excuse me I'm gonna go watch the video about the '89 orioles again and cry a bit.
Love this video! Greatest manager of all time!!
This is awesome. Thank you for sharing this.
6:08 "Binging with BABIP"
LEGENDARY. The crossover I never knew I needed.
I absolutely love your videos, and the awareness some of them have brought to the general public about criminally dismissed players. Would you ever consider making one about how unreal Stan Musial was? Or a look at some amazing Cardinal legends throughout the history of the organization? You would absolutely kill it
Great video, especially with everything going on rn. Foolish BB still staying busy. You guys are awesome :)
One of your best videos imo
ECSTATIC to see Foolish Baseball give Mark Belanger some much deserved respect for his defensive prowess (which was sadly missed in his A. Simmons video).
your videos just keep getting better keep it up!
Such a plus to see a new FB video ... watched twice just for the pleasure of it
My birthday is in 2 days, so I will take this video as your gift. Thank you for another great video man. I love your work.
Good job. I like videos on classic teams and players. Keep up the good work.
Finally a new video keep up the great work best baseball channel out their
These videos are just as good as your podcast, Mr. Foolish Baseball
I really consider Baseball Bits to be a "video podcast."
This was a great video as I grew up on the latter half of the 70s Orioles. The 1979 "Orioles Magic" team I think represents or highlights Weavers strategy even more. They didnt have the individual star power but were just as good. And a really fun team as well. Doug DeCinces started something special that year...never forget hearing that call on the radio working the night shift at the GM plant. Those 79-83 teams had many special moments...like Len Sakata being forced to catch late in the game and Tippy Martinez picking off 3 at 1st instead of letting Sakata be ran on. Magical
Having grown up in Chicago I was so jealous of the Weaver Orioles. Every September 1 when the newspapers started the magic number countdown for the playoffs both the Cubs and White Sox were nowhere to be found. But Baltimore...wow... may not have ended up in the playoffs, but every year but they were in the mix right up to the end.
janetracer The 1970 Cubs were arguably more talented than the Orioles or the Big Red Machine. Bullpen being the only weakness, they underachieved with just 84 wins. Speaking as an Orioles fan.
Thanks for the interesting video, I really appreciate them man.
Your videos are awesome we need more like this, I like seeing new ways of thinking and how they start. Your video on Jeff Mathis inspired 14 little 9 year old to put on the catcher's gear for the first time. Keep the videos coming.
This is a fine, fine piece of work; congratulations and thank you.
Thank you for the kind words
Thank you for making a positive video about the Orioles us fans need it lol. Love the shot at Buck too. 😂😂😂
love it, love the game, love GREAT STRATEGY!!!!! in any manifestation. Also loved the widely known Moneyball by Michael Lewis, and several other Michael Lewis books.
Thank you Foolish Baseball for posting this. Few people realize how dominant the Orioles were throughout Weaver's tenure. During that long run of his the team always came in first or second in their division. Beyond that they only placed third once in 1972 and once in fourth in 1978. I'm also glad you acknowledged your pronunciation issue. Two other notable cases were with Curt Motton, which is pronounced like moe not mah, and Pete Richert, pronounced like Rick not Rich. Other than that, great job!
hi just passing through on my monthly binge of all of your content
Yay a new video! I don't even watch much baseball but I love your channel
I don't really watch much baseball, but I love your channel and all your videos! They are always a happy addition to my day. Ive been watching your channel and subscribed for around a year probably and I just noticed you're under 100k subs (but almost there :)) and that's shocking given how great your channel and videos are. Anyways, keep up the great work!!!
Man, I just love that closing line
Great work bro👍👊
Earl Weaver Baseball was one of the great early sports games. Among many firsts, it was the first ever PC game to allow you to simulate an entire season. It was, in essence, the first of countless "moneyball simulators".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earl_Weaver_Baseball#Innovations
Great video. Always love to see this Orioles team talked about
They had some fantastic players!
@@FoolishBaseball For sure! My favoirte is always Brooks Robinson
Earl Weaver is my spirit animal. If I have a bad day, I just go to youtube and type on earl Weaver argument. Boom it's a better day. Thank you for this video!
Thank you for giving us baseball in a time of suspension of all sports. Very interesting video.
Absolutely love the Saturday releases, makes my work day a little better.
Have a good one today! Gotta be tough working on a Saturday under these present conditions.
@@FoolishBaseball Oh goodness, I work in a group home, it's fucking madness right now, the paranoia. I'm just hoping the mlb suspension is short, spring doesn't start until then, I don't care what date it is.
YES AN UPLOAD!!!!
Love your videos and channel man
93 Phillies did same platoon thing with their corner outfielders. Milt Thompson and Pete Incavelia in left field and Jim Eisenreich and Wes Chamberlin in right field.
Legend for making a video about an Oriole. 💯
Because you are not well versed on baseball history?
@@raug4413 No. Because the Orioles tend to not be talked about.
@@Cam23 If your knowledge only extends to three years back, that may be true. But anyone with a little knowledge pf baseball recognizes such a comment to be one from a noob.
@@raug4413 dude what are you even saying. 😂 I don’t think you even know what you’re saying. You’re clearly taking out some of your anger on me.
Fascinating video, it's amazing Weaver wasnt more influential at the time.
LOVE YOUR CHANNEL!!Your vids , and yes I remember roenicke and lowenstein, I remember back then thinking"that's a lot of hr's for bench players .." I was 9
FINALLY A VIDEO ABOUT THE ORIOLES
Damn it you deserve ten times the subs you have, great video!
Even on a snowy day in Colorado, Foolish BB brings the sun out. Thanks!
Had to do it. Baseball needs content.
Zito, Hudson, and Mulder were mentioned in the Moneyball book. Zito was pretty overlooked by most teams until he started dominating the majors
Great video, man. I'd love to see you do another on Whitey Herzog and the implementation of smallball with those great early 80s Cards teams.
Love these videos
Need more content from CZcams's MVP, Foolish Baseball
The best days are when Foolish BB uploads!
I hope so!
Indeed.
We need merch. I’d proudly sport a pixelated Tim Locastro t-shirt!
Binging with BABIP is my favorite interlude now
Man, that team was easily one of the best ever. Great video as usual!
Yes. The '69 team was incredible as well, despite the loss to the Miracle Mets.
This video is outstanding....
RIP Earl Weaver. He was a great manager, Him, Bobby Cox, lloyd McClendon, and Lou Pinella are the best managers of all time. This is beause they had players backs and wouldn't think twice about standing up for their players against horrible calls, and lighting a fire under their teams by getting ejected.
Nice piece, FB. Weaver was one of a kind, and did tolerate other oddballs. Don Stanhouse, the closer for the '79 Orioles, about killed all of us with his high-wire act. Thanks for this. PS: just say "O's" if Orioles is a challenge
It's nice as an Orioles fan to learn about why those teams were so good
Absolute legend here in Baltimore
John Lowenstein was then and remains to this day my favorite player.
In 1982, Lowenstein, Roenicke, and Benny Ayala combined to equal the production of Dale Murphy. Murphy was NL MVP that year.
Love that Coldsteel the Hedgeheg at 3:45
"Phillip Seymour Art Howeffman"....solid joke right there
That's is a joke? Doubt Carlin would be impressed.
Great video love all the baseball bits.
Thank you!
Thank you! Finally the A's getting some love!
I have always admired Oakland as an organization. People always seem to count them out, but they have put together great teams the past couple years.
thanks man, i needed some baseball today
I think we all did.
Best sports channel on CZcams. Hands down
Bill James uncovered the math behind the game. There was another book about the game, forgot the title, that came out in the 70's and expressed a moneyball type idea. Ball Four comes to mind, but its been a long time since I read the book.
You're right, but Bill James Abstract came out in 1977. This Orioles team won it all in 1970, so Weaver's strategy even predates Bill James.
@@FoolishBaseball I know, but I remember reading a book, in the library, when I was a kid about the math of baseball. My mind tells me ball four, but I think it was next to ball four. It dealt with the math of the game and has some stuff in it like that. This was back in the 70's. I really wish I could remember the name of the book. I would totally get it off amazon.