there is no single self but many--it is plural "selves". The 'self' that is motivated to get rid of the 'self' is just one of the many though newly bred along with the idea of achieving 'no-self'.
I really enjoy listening to people who have had some sort of spiritual experience and work in the science field. Chris reminds me a lot of Sam Harris and the way in which he speaks about experience. Boom @ 25:30 psychedelics. (By the way, does Chris have a picture of the well known mushroom known as Amanita Muscara just over his right shoulder (our left when looking)? Terrence McKenna sums it up here - czcams.com/video/1WXroiXWfcI/video.html At the one hour mark the conversation turns to intuition, and how the left brain can dress itself up as intuition or right brain and lead us astray. I am not a scientist, but something I have been thinking a lot about is, there is a reason the so called left and right brain are housed together. And all this talk about a separate left brain and separate right brain may be necessary to understand both sides, but I posit, that the whole point of it being housed as one is that over time we learn, through life experiences, trial and error, practice to bring them together and they begin to work as one. Or perhaps this may be part of the evolution process over time. The right brain moves to the front, runs the show with the left brain working in the background doing the data work.
"the mind wondering is what seems to make us unhappy"??? Not saying that Niebauer is wrong, but in my experience, it is not about "getting out of our thinking mind", But just not taking the so called thinking mind seriously. In fact, the very act of trying to stop the thinking mind seems to be counter productive. I liken it to getting a song stuck in your head, and what drives most people crazy is their trying to stop the song. But just watching the song play out seems to dampen it down until it goes away from lack of energy input. Lastly the "distraction" method of the left mind has been around for thousands of years, i.e single focus meditation, which can be a good supplement too. what we call today "mindfullness meditation" (great pod cast by the way)
doing anything about NOISE (thoughts and feelings) is more NOISE. And with what am I going to do anything about my NOISE other than thinking more thoughts or thought-planned doings. With what am I going to watch my thoughts or pretend there is space or interpret them as clouds passing by--any such movement is adding to the NOISE. Being full of NOISE is the perfect chance to be free from clinging to thinking-mind slavery which we righteously try to escape--as thoughts scare the shit out of us--by getting better at implementing some methods. I think or IMO. :)
Great conversation! Thank you both. 👏😎
Very important and fascinating conversation Chris and Shiv! Thanks so much! 🙏🏼💥🙏🏼
Best explanation of how we create our problems….❣️
Really interesting podcast.
Loved it!
Thank you very much.
What an articulate, free flowing and interesting conversation. Loved every minute of this one. Thank you both
Great podcast! Thank you!
there is no single self but many--it is plural "selves". The 'self' that is motivated to get rid of the 'self' is just one of the many though newly bred along with the idea of achieving 'no-self'.
I really enjoy listening to people who have had some sort of spiritual experience and work in the science field. Chris reminds me a lot of Sam Harris and the way in which he speaks about experience.
Boom @ 25:30 psychedelics. (By the way, does Chris have a picture of the well known mushroom known as Amanita Muscara just over his right shoulder (our left when looking)?
Terrence McKenna sums it up here - czcams.com/video/1WXroiXWfcI/video.html
At the one hour mark the conversation turns to intuition, and how the left brain can dress itself up as intuition or right brain and lead us astray. I am not a scientist, but something I have been thinking a lot about is, there is a reason the so called left and right brain are housed together. And all this talk about a separate left brain and separate right brain may be necessary to understand both sides, but I posit, that the whole point of it being housed as one is that over time we learn, through life experiences, trial and error, practice to bring them together and they begin to work as one. Or perhaps this may be part of the evolution process over time. The right brain moves to the front, runs the show with the left brain working in the background doing the data work.
"the mind wondering is what seems to make us unhappy"??? Not saying that Niebauer is wrong, but in my experience, it is not about "getting out of our thinking mind", But just not taking the so called thinking mind seriously. In fact, the very act of trying to stop the thinking mind seems to be counter productive. I liken it to getting a song stuck in your head, and what drives most people crazy is their trying to stop the song. But just watching the song play out seems to dampen it down until it goes away from lack of energy input. Lastly the "distraction" method of the left mind has been around for thousands of years, i.e single focus meditation, which can be a good supplement too. what we call today "mindfullness meditation" (great pod cast by the way)
Life is not personal, it's how personal you take it.
doing anything about NOISE (thoughts and feelings) is more NOISE. And with what am I going to do anything about my NOISE other than thinking more thoughts or thought-planned doings. With what am I going to watch my thoughts or pretend there is space or interpret them as clouds passing by--any such movement is adding to the NOISE. Being full of NOISE is the perfect chance to be free from clinging to thinking-mind slavery which we righteously try to escape--as thoughts scare the shit out of us--by getting better at implementing some methods. I think or IMO. :)